Werewolf CLXVII - The Wheel of Time - Game Over

[Autumn]

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The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.

In this world much has become myth, but some say it is time for the wheel to turn again. Every boy or girl knows that though the Dark One is locked away from the world, his Shadow still lies upon it, and it must be opposed by forces of the Light. When it comes time that the Dark One begins to break free of his prison there will be only one who can stop him, the Dragon Reborn, though he will break the world in doing so, as he always has.

Rumors spread of men who proclaim themselves the Dragon, gathering armies to them, and causing as much chaos and ruin as the Shadow itself does. They are false of course, but eventually the true Dragon must emerge, and oppose the forces of the Shadow. Hopefully the people of the world will lift their eyes from their petty rivalries and politics and join him.

1 Fontisian - Killed Night 1 - Tear - Tinker
2 The Jackal - Killed Night 2 - Aes Sedai - Red Ajah
3 Eagle Fan - Lynched Day 1 - Aes Sedai - Brown Ajah
4 Grover - Lynched Day 3 - Illian - Male Channeler
5 Chief Rum - Killed Night 3 - Tear - Warder
6 Narcizo
7 Raven
8 britrock88
9 path12
10 cheekimonk
11 Vaimes - Lynched Day 4 - Aiel - Villager
12 timmae
13 CoffeeWarlord - Killed Night 4 - Aiel - Villager
14 Glengoyne
15 Zinto
16 MartinD - Died Night 3 - Aes Sedai - Green Ajah



THE BASICS

Don't quote any PMs directly in thread
Don't talk about the game outside of the thread
Don't edit your posts during the game
Vote by writing VOTE NAME in bold in your post on its own line
Unvote by writing UNVOTE NAME in bold on its own line
Nightfall votes will be accepted but will have to be unanimous, and once entered your vote may not be changed.
Tie votes will be settled by either lynching both parties or lynching neither one. It's unclear which.


THE DEADLINE


Voting Deadline is 9 PM EST; votes timestamped 8:59 will count, votes stamped 9:00 will not.

Night Action Deadline is 10 PM EST; actions timestamped 9:59 will count, actions stamped 10:00 will not


THE START


Villagers receive the message: "You are a villager from Faction (X)." Details of that faction follow.


IMPORTANT ADDITIONS

If you die in this game, please still do not discuss the game with others. There is the possibility that you could still impact the game at a later point.
There are faction and role-dependent goals possible in this game. Please play fully to support all your character goals.
The Shadow will not have the ability to convert others to their cause in this game.

[Autumn]

The World of the Wheel of Time

Channeling

In this world there are some who have been gifted, or cursed, with the ability to touch the One Source, that power that turns the Wheel of Time and creates all things. Those with this ability can do amazing and unbelievable things. For that they are admired, feared or shunned. The act of weaving the power of the One Source is known as Channeling, and it comes in two distinct varieties.

Female Channelers - Women who can channel touch the female half of the Source, known as Saidar. Any woman with this ability is brought to the White Tower where she learns to use it in the service of the Aes Sedai. These women are the ones who have held back the influence of the Shadow for thousands of years.

Male Channelers - Men who channel touch a separate half of the Source, called Saidin. However, when the Dark One was sealed away he tainted Saidin, so that no man can channel for long without being driven insane. They are a true threat to the world, having Broken it once before. But it is assumed that when the Dragon returns, he will be a channeler, as have been many of the false Dragons in the past. Without the ability to channel will he able to face the Dark One? With it will he go insane and destroy the world before he saves it?

The Light

Despite the danger of the Shadow, the world goes on, nations divide and conquer, people spread and change. The world of the Wheel of Time has many nations, many people. Each character in the game belongs to one of those and that alters their interest and goals in fighting the Shadow.

Aes Sedai

The sisters of the White Tower take binding oaths to protect the world from possible abuses of the power of channeling. Sworn to avoid taking any sides in political conflicts or wars, they serve as advisors to heads of state, using the wisdom and power the White Tower has developed over thousands of years for the betterment of humankind. They are sworn as well to combat the Shadow, having been the steady force opposing the Dark One ever since the last Dragon and the Breaking of the World.

The Aes Sedai are divided up into groups called Ajah, and denoted by a color. Each Ajah specializes in different skills and tasks.

Yellow Ajah - the Yellow sisters focus on tending to the sick and keeping people safe. They are most adept at weaves which heal or protect from harm.
Brown Ajah - the Brown sisters are curious researchers, always gathering knowledge. They are most adept at weaves which divulge information or determine the truth.
Blue Ajah - the Blue sisters are idealists, proponents of noble causes. Their skills lie in understanding the weave of destiny and the fulfillmment of prophecies.
Red Ajah - the Red Ajah tasks itself with dealing with male channelers. Determined to keep these men from causing terrible tragedies in their insanity, the Red sisters are adept at finding and shielding these men who can channel, preventing them from using their ability. Once caught, the Red gentle these men, removing their ability to channel completely and forever.
Green Ajah- the Green sisters are the sisters of battle, ready to fight for what is right. They are best known for their love of having Warders, one is always seen at the side of a Green sister.
Warders - Some Aes Sedai bond men to them as Warders. The mysterious weaves which create the bond produce a link between the two, so that each can always sense the others location and emotions. In addition, the link provides the Warder with an increase in stamina and strength, so that he can keep his bonded Aes Sedai safe. While some Green sisters are known to have more than one Warder, it is most typical to have one.


Aiel

Living apart from the other nations, in the desert known was The Waste, the Aiel are mysterious figures to most. Experts at survival in a bleak, dry land, the Aiel are known to be deadly warriors, ruthless plunderers in conflict, and hold to a stringent code of honor. Their prophecies prepare them for the time when the Dragon returns, who they believe will become their leader and return them to the glories of the past.

Illian

A nation adjacent to Tear, the people of Illian are best known at this time for their Hunters of the Horn. Seekers of the legendary Horn of Valere (see Items), the Hunters range from Ilian far and wide throughout the land hoping to be the one that will find the Horn and go down in legend.

Tear

Known for its fortress, the Stone of Tear, which has never been conquered, the people of Tear are proud of their history. Deep within their fortress is kept Callandor, a legendary crystal sword which it is said can only be drawn by the True Dragon. The keepers of the Stone hold it secure for the day when the Dragon returns.

The Shadow

Darkfriends

The most terrifying thing about the servants of the Shadow is that they could be anywhere. Said to keep to a secret network that spreads throughout the world, the Darkfriends scheme and plot and yet look just like the rest of us.

Black Ajah

People speak of the Shadow in whispers, but of the Black Ajah they don't even speak. The sisters of the Aes Sedai are bound by mystic rites to fight the Shadow, yet this doesn't stop the world from suspecting that some of them have slipped those bonds and serve the Dark One. The idea of an Aes Sedai, full of power and privilege, serving the Shadow is a terrifying one indeed, because they would have the ability to even escape or defeat the Aes Sedai themselves.

Forsaken

In contrast, the Forsaken are described to every boy and girl, a bogeyman of legend. The most fervent followers of the Dark One in the past, they were wielders of the Power in the days of Legend, capable of things that are no longer even imagined. They were sealed away when the Dark One was, but not so tightly, and before the Dark One escapes, they will. It is possible one walks the world right now, his abilities so far beyond those of the Aes Sedai that they could stand in front of him and not recognize him. The Forsaken have existed for thousands of years, and while they rule the Shadow their goals and plans are unfathomable to us.

Items

There are items of great power or significance in this world, and some may come to impact hte battle between the Light and the Shadow.

Ter'Angreal

These items are of use only to those who can channel, but for those individuals possession of a Ter'Angreal can greatly increase their abilities. Access to such a large source of power can allow them to amplify their weaves, or attempt things which they have never been able to do before.

Ter'Angreals are attuned to either the male half or the female half of the Source, and are useless to channelers of the wrong gender.

The Horn of Valere

This legendary item appears to be a typical horn, but if blown it calls from another realm the legendary Heroes of the Horn, men and women of legend and myth who have fought the Shadow for Ages upon Ages. Quite a bit of help when in a bind. These heroes are bound to the Wheel of Time to combat the Shadow, and the horn will be of great help to the Light at the Last Battle. The Shadow conspires to keep it out of the hands of those who could put it to use.

Callandor

This crystal sword is not meant for sword fighting, but instead is a type of angreal, made in the time of legend and of amazing power. It could be quite a boon to a male channeler who holds it, but it is locked away and guarded with many wards in the hands of the people of Tear. It is said only the Dragon can take it from there, but it could be of great use to any male channeler come the Last Battle.

Warder's Cloak

Much of a Warder's ability comes from his bond with his Aes Sedai, but of use also is his cloak. Woven with color-changing cloth, this makes the warder very difficult to spot, and so difficult to attack.

[Autumn]

THE MECHANICS

The exact mechanics of the game will remain hidden from view. Some of it you could guess from the world information, though some could lead you astray. Here you will find a few hints to keep you from becoming lost.

The game is divided into 4 factions (Aes Sedai, Aiel, Tear and Illlian). Each of these factions will hope not only to win the game (assuming they serve the Light) but also to be the ruling faction by game end. The ruling faction will be the one that has the majority of members alive when the game ends. Factions may have additional victory goals or abilities as well.

There are items in this game, each with different rules. It is possible in most cases for items to be passed, and this action would occur at night before all other actions.

There are 5 Aes Sedai characters in the game. Each has a different ability depending on their Ajah.

There is exactly 1 Forsaken in the game, and a number of Black Ajah and Darkfriends.

There is the possibility of independent players and additional player goals.

[Autumn]

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[fontisian]

I'm in.

[The Jackal]

i call thom

[The Jackal]

who am i kidding, there's so many characters i like, but yes sign me up

[EagleFan]

In

[Grover]

In!

[Chief Rum]

I have never read the Wheel of Time. Because there are too many books.

So this is as close as I am probably gonna get.

In.

[Narcizo]

I have never read the Wheel of Time. Because there are too many books.

So this is as close as I am probably gonna get.

In.

QFT

[Raven]

In.

I also have an idea for a game, but am still working out the details.

[britrock88]

In.

(This is a good week to take off with the NCAA tourney coming... though that could just be me. :) )

[path12]

I'll go again. I only read the first book.

[JAG]

Unfortunately I probably can't do this one due to vacation the following week.

[cheekimonk]

In

[Vaimes]

I'll be in.

[Autumn]

Good start. Keep 'em comin'.

[timmae]

In. What is wheel of time?

[Shoveler]

In. What is wheel of time?

A really good, but long, fantasy series.

[cheekimonk]

Mostly Robert Jordan then Brandon Sanderson, timmae. Start reading now and you can be done by start of WW game CCCLXVII.

[timmae]

I will have to purchase the cliff notes... Or just fumble my way through dying on day 2. ;)

[The Jackal]

It's a really well written series, there's only one book I can recall thinking "get the f on with the plot already". But then I'm a sucker for character development and 14 books allows for some pretty intense character development.

[EagleFan]

vote fontisian/fontesian/fontisean/fontesean

One of those...


Just practicing. :) :devil:

[fontisian]

The name actual means something, EF. It's like me calling you EableFan.

[EagleFan]

The name actual means something, EF. It's like me calling you EableFan.

EableFan, I like it. :D

What's the story behind the name?

[fontisian]

Fontis is the generative case in Latin for fountain. When I was about 12, my friends and I created and wrote a number of stories set in Ver Fontis, so named because of it fountains of life energy. Fontisian is a nostalgic reference to that part of my childhood.

[EagleFan]

Cool, nice story behind it.

[The Jackal]

I just like Bruce Willis movies and assassins

[Chief Rum]

I just like Bruce Willis movies and assassins

Heh heh

[Autumn]

I'd really like to see ten more folks signed up. Now that I'm back I'll go advertise in Off Topic, but I would appreciate any recruiting you can do.

[Coffee Warlord]

I expect multiple paragraphs detailing dresses, and the quality of the china.

And much sniffing and braid pulling.

What the hell. I'll do one.

[Chief Rum]

Hey, Autumn, not sure you noticed, but timmae said he would be in, too. I noticed he wasn't on your list.

[Autumn]

Thanks, Chief, I missed that!

[Thomkal]

i call thom


thom answers but not playing :) I will be reading though and I suspect I will be reading a lot of "Nynaeve tugs at her braids and scowls at everybody in the room."

[Glengoyne]

I'm in. Is this the right/only place I need to state that?

[Chief Rum]

I'm in. Is this the right/only place I need to state that?

Perfect.

[timmae]

I have a nice bottle of lagavulin ready to roll for this one! Who's in? :)

[EagleFan]

timmae has been a lot quieter this game...

vote timmae


:)

[timmae]

EF... You still have a meta pass day 1 for running an awesome game. That may or may not continue to future games if you keep voting me!

[EagleFan]

If we can convince PurdueBrad to play I can go back to voting him on day one. :)

[Autumn]

I'd love people to reach out to anyone not signed up right now. I'm swamped or else I would do it, but we need a few more folks.

[Zinto]

I will join. I have a busy week so I won't be as active as I usually am.(Same as with Jackal's game)

[Autumn]

We're getting enough to almost make this work. I would love to get to 20. There's got to be 5 more veterans who haven't jumped in to play with all this new blood.

[MartinD]

I'm interested in taking part, if you're still looking...

[The Jackal]

MORE

[timmae]

MORE

WOLF!

[The Jackal]

WOLF!

PERRIN IS AWESOME WHAT OF IT

[timmae]

Jean Baptiste?!! That dude rocked!

[The Jackal]

Jean Baptiste?!! That dude rocked!

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[timmae]

Mickey Rourke? :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Did someone say wolf?

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[cheekimonk]

Did someone say wolf?

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+1

[Autumn]

Shoveler and I are tightening up the rule set and I will start posting some glimpses of it at least. Still hoping to get a few more players while we do so. If we start next Monday does that cause anyone to drop or jump in?

[The Jackal]

I can start whenever

[cheekimonk]

I'm good whenever. NOT evil. :D

[timmae]

I'm here and ready... any start date is fine by me.

[Grover]

I'm good for whenever!

[Chief Rum]

I am good any date in the near future.

[Chief Rum]

I do think you should prepare for both a lot and fewer players, to be covered either way.

[fontisian]

Vaimes and I are good for whenever.

[EagleFan]

Good no matter when. Will give me more time to finish getting The Amazing Race 2 ready.

[Narcizo]

Won't there be problems with/a huge break because of Easter weekend if you start next Monday?

[Chief Rum]

Obviously, any holiday can cause issues, but I would think Easter is less of a problem, because it falls on a Sunday, when we're usually not running the game.

[Autumn]

This is good, I work from home and so I am oblivious to holidays. Yes, keep that in mind, but most people don't travel or anything for Easter so hopefully won't be bad.

[Narcizo]

I'll not be around most of Thursday, nor any of Friday.

[Autumn]

World information is going up. This will be a game where you have a good sense of what the roles are, but not exactly what they can do. More descriptions coming.

[timmae]

This thing looks awesome.. Looking forward to this big time! The premise is very cool!!

[cheekimonk]

VERY interesting. Can't wait for the ruleset.

[Chief Rum]

When are we starting this?

[Autumn]

We are looking at putting together the final writeups and assigning roles today, so looking at a first vote tomorrow.

[timmae]

Giddy'up!

Just a heads up all... I am in meetings during the day tomorrow... between travel and meetings my time to review/post will be sporadic at best until 5pm cst or so.

[Chief Rum]

Awesome, great to hear. Thanks Autumn!

[Autumn]

Last chance, we're going to be working on putting together the last bits and sending out roles this evening. If you want in, jump in now!

[Autumn]

Signups are closed and roles will be going out starting in the next few minutes. Please do not post until I say Game On.

[Autumn]

I have sent out each and every PM. I'm not wild about the way the PM page was working, so I'm worried that I might have put a name in wrong and missed someone. If you have not received a PM with your role, let me or Shoveler know right away.

[Shoveler]

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a chill filled the air. The chill was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.

False Dragons have risen many times in the past, but there is an urgency in the air now, as if the time for the true Dragon Reborn is coming closer. Many say the Shadow stirs, as if the Dark One grows closer to the world, and some even say his Forsaken begin to slip free of their prison. Nation looks at nation, neighbor looks at neighbor, always aware that Darkfriends can exist anywhere, from the humblest village to the tallest citadel. Some even say they exist among the Aes Sedai, those who have sworn their life to fighting the Shadow.

Wherever they are, whoever they are, those who serve the Light have no choice now but to find them. If the Dark One nears and the Dragon comes again, then the Last Battle draws close, and the Shadow must be dragged into the Light. Men and women from every corner of the world must find a way to work together, to find those who serve the Shadow and defeat it. That is your challenge here today, to look at one another, no matter from what nation you hail, and decide who among you has sworn to serve the Shadow?

[Autumn]

Please be sure to include both Shoveler and I in any Private Messages

[Autumn]

Game On

[fontisian]

Vote Vaimes

[timmae]

Looking forward to this all! I am reading back through the ruleset to see how this thing is laid out. This will be fun! I am AFK for a decent portion of the day tomorrow but will be back during the evening for sure.

[timmae]

meta vote on the guy I brought over to this site...

vote cheekimonk

[Vaimes]

I am town.

Just so you all know.

Vote timmae

[fontisian]

Unvote
Vote timmae

That was fast.

[path12]

Checking in. Busy tomorrow morning but I'll be in and out as I can.

[Vaimes]

fontisian, how about a rundown on the player list?

[EagleFan]

Checking in.

[MartinD]

Checking in...

Something worth pointing out early on - I live in the UK (5 hours ahead of US Eastern time), so it's very unlikely that I'll be online around the deadline.

[timmae]

Headed out for meetings but did a reread of the rule set this morning. It seems as though we have 5 distinct groups, 4 that follow the 'light' (good) and 1 that follows the 'shadow' (evil). We have 16 players so that leaves 3 or 4 for each group. Evil probably has a larger group (just going off of vanilla game numbers, 3 of 11). I would guess 4 or 5. For game setup if we have 4 evil then that leaves 12 of us for the 4 groups. 3 each group. Each group seems to have a victory condition once evil is gone. Creates an interesting dynamic during gameplay. I will try to post more thoughts when I get time during the day.

[Grover]

Checking in. Good morning!

[Narcizo]

Headed out for meetings but did a reread of the rule set this morning. It seems as though we have 5 distinct groups, 4 that follow the 'light' (good) and 1 that follows the 'shadow' (evil). We have 16 players so that leaves 3 or 4 for each group. Evil probably has a larger group (just going off of vanilla game numbers, 3 of 11). I would guess 4 or 5. For game setup if we have 4 evil then that leaves 12 of us for the 4 groups. 3 each group. Each group seems to have a victory condition once evil is gone. Creates an interesting dynamic during gameplay. I will try to post more thoughts when I get time during the day.

4 or 5 seems very high, even if there are a lot of roles out there, possibly 4 I guess but I'd land on 3 and some nuetrals or some sort of cultist role. Given that the different factions might result in chinks for the shadow to exploit I don't think there should be that many members of the shadow.

[Narcizo]

In fact rereading the rules makes me think that there are 4 factions and the shadows are lurking within these factions rather than being a faction of their own.

[Coffee Warlord]

Reiterating a Very Important thing to know from the rules - No Conversions.

[Coffee Warlord]

And....because why the hell not.

Vote Jackal

[Autumn]

To clarify several rules. Every player in the game is a member of one of the Factions: Aes Sedai, Aiel, Tear or Illian, whether they are Light or Shadow or whatever. It could be that because of their role they don't give a fig for the goals of their faction, but they are still considered a member of it.

There are some items in the game. Some have special rules for being passed or transferred. But unless otherwise indicated, any item can be passed to a particular other player of your choosing, as a night action.

[britrock88]

vote EagleFan

Yay, WW! Just finished up a game elsewhere, so perfect timing.

[The Jackal]

Checking in

vote grover

[cheekimonk]

Checking in. Covered in meetings this morning (US Central). But...

Well, I was going to mirror timmae's meta vote but don't want to start a pile on.

[timmae]

Checking in. Covered in meetings this morning (US Central). But...

Well, I was going to mirror timmae's meta vote but don't want to start a pile on.

Lol, thanks cheeks! We have a long way to go today... Most haven't even checked in yet.

This game is a bit more difficult than I thought as it seems like evil is spaced throughout. It also seems as though the 4 groups may not be weighted equally with all of the ajah's listed. My spreadsheets just got more complicated!

Another thought I had on my drive from Chicago to Milwaukee... If anyone has any items it is probably best to transfer them to someone else if you will not be around between dusk and dawn. Per the game set the items can be transferred as a night order but if there is a nk and the item is not transferred then it is lost. Correct me if I am wrong on this.. That is not to say that all items are necessarily in good hands at the beginning but I would think so. Thoughts? Just want to make sure we try to maximize our abilities.

[timmae]

Did JAG join us?!

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

Cheekimonk [1] - timmae (82)
Timmae [2] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84)
The Jackal [1] - Coffee Warlord (94)
EagleFan [1] - britrock88 (96)
Grover [1] - The Jackal (97)

[Autumn]

Did JAG join us?!

No, JAG is still on vacation, the bloody fool.

[Coffee Warlord]

There are neither beginnings nor endings to JAG's vacations.

[Zinto]

I am here but a little busy until later today.

[Zinto]

I am going to vote for a newbie who hasn't felt the sting of a day one lynch yet....

[Zinto]

Vote Grover

[cheekimonk]

For starting my death spiral last game...

vote EagleFan

[Chief Rum]

Hey, just a quick check in. Busy day at work and I have my tax appointment tonight, so my availability might be spotty. Back in a bit.

[path12]

I think I did this same thing last game:

VOTE BRITROCK88

[Grover]

I know it's a first day vote and vaimes is a new player here, because of font. But I do find it interesting that they'd both put their vote on timmae.

vote vaimes

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

Timmae [2] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84)
EagleFan [2] - britrock88 (96), Cheekimonk (107)
Grover [2] - The Jackal (97), Zinto (106)
Cheekimonk [1] - timmae (82)
The Jackal [1] - Coffee Warlord (94)
Britrock88 [1] - path12 (109)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

Yet to Vote: Chief Rum, EagleFan, Glengoyne, MartinD, Narcizo, Raven

[MartinD]

There doesn't seem much point in adding another name to the mix, so I'll put an initial vote towards someone already on the list:

VOTE THE JACKAL

I'll check in at least a couple of times over the next few hours, so may change this depending on how things are going.

[Narcizo]

Let's push things forward as The Streets would say

vote Eaglefan

I'm like Martin, only an hour more so.

[EagleFan]

vote cheekimonk

To return the favor. But that will likely move.

[Coffee Warlord]

Am I insane, or is there no actual 'Dragon' role?

Guess that's something we discover later.

[britrock88]

Am I insane, or is there no actual 'Dragon' role?

Guess that's something we discover later.

I'm thinking it's a hidden attribute to someone's role. But it seems like the work that many of us do in character would depend on this...

[fontisian]

I know it's a first day vote and vaimes is a new player here, because of font. But I do find it interesting that they'd both put their vote on timmae.

vote vaimes
I don't know what Vaimes is doing, but I'm voting for timmae because he's likely scum.

[Zinto]

Yeah I would be shocked if there wasn't a dragon role. There will probably be some conditions that need to be met for the dragon to be announced to the world/game.

[EagleFan]

I don't know what Vaimes is doing, but I'm voting for timmae because he's likely scum.

That's some impressive day one deduction...

[Vaimes]

I know it's a first day vote and vaimes is a new player here, because of font. But I do find it interesting that they'd both put their vote on timmae.

vote vaimes

So why vote for me, and not the person who followed me?

Also, hi.

I don't know what Vaimes is doing, but I'm voting for timmae because he's likely scum.

Why is timmae likely scum?

[Coffee Warlord]

So why vote for me, and not the person who followed me?

/cue day 1 WW logic

That's an awfully defensive reaction for an early day 1 vote, man. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING, WOLF SCUM.

/logic

[Chief Rum]

I have to think there is a Dragon role.

However, it could be a role that develops in different people, given if certain conditions are met. Or it could be someone who already knows he is the Dragon right now (but with some kind of restriction so he can't just announce it now).

We frankly don't know enough at this point to make that call, but I have to assume there is.

[Chief Rum]

QUESTION FOR AUTUMN/SHOVELER

Were factions considered in the assigning of the members of the Shadow?

What I mean is, given a number of Shadow players, are they split evenly amongst the factions to the best that they can be. Would a three man Shadown team be in three separate factions, for instance, or a four man place one in each of the factions?

Or were the members of Shadow randomly selected regardless of faction, leaving the possibility that they could even all be concentrated in one or two factions?

Obviously, you may not be able to answer this question but I figured I would ask.

[fontisian]

That's some impressive day one deduction...
I like to think so.

Looking forward to this all! I am reading back through the ruleset to see how this thing is laid out. This will be fun! I am AFK for a decent portion of the day tomorrow but will be back during the evening for sure.
meta vote on the guy I brought over to this site...

vote cheekimonk
The second post comes off as a backtrack, like he posted and then realized that townies are expected to make a random vote at the beginning of the game. He evens imitates my vote by voting for the person he brought here.

[path12]

I don't know what Vaimes is doing, but I'm voting for timmae because he's likely scum.

font, please never change.

[fontisian]

<3

I'm still technically a teenager. Some change should be expected.

[path12]

I have to think there is a Dragon role.

However, it could be a role that develops in different people, given if certain conditions are met. Or it could be someone who already knows he is the Dragon right now (but with some kind of restriction so he can't just announce it now).

We frankly don't know enough at this point to make that call, but I have to assume there is.

I was confused because I didn't remember anything about a dragon but had only skimmed the ruleset. And now I'm more confused. I really should check out a wiki on these books.

[Autumn]

QUESTION FOR AUTUMN/SHOVELER

Were factions considered in the assigning of the members of the Shadow?

What I mean is, given a number of Shadow players, are they split evenly amongst the factions to the best that they can be. Would a three man Shadown team be in three separate factions, for instance, or a four man place one in each of the factions?

Or were the members of Shadow randomly selected regardless of faction, leaving the possibility that they could even all be concentrated in one or two factions?

Obviously, you may not be able to answer this question but I figured I would ask.

The Shadow can be found anywhere across the land. Could the White Tower be riddled with Black? Could the people of Tear serve the Dark One? Could each and every one of us have a neighbor who serves the Shadow? There is no way to know.

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

EagleFan [3] - britrock88 (96), Cheekimonk (107), Narcizo (113)
Timmae [2] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84)
Grover [2] - The Jackal (97), Zinto (106)
The Jackal [2] - Coffee Warlord (94), MartinD (112)
Cheekimonk [2] - timmae (82), EagleFan (114)
Britrock88 [1] - path12 (109)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

Yet to Vote: Chief Rum, Glengoyne, Raven

[path12]

<3

I'm still technically a teenager. Some change should be expected.

I know this isn't actually the case but I still feel like I think the same way as I did when I was nineteen or twenty.

But I'm meeting a retirement planner after work today so yeah, maybe not so much.

[Grover]

<3

I'm still technically a teenager. Some change should be expected.

Kids these days.

;)

[Grover]

I've got my bowling league tonight (I know you're jealous), so I may be lurking via my phone, but whether or not I contribute between 6:30 EST - Deadline is hazy.

[cheekimonk]

Kids these days.

;)

Uh-oh...emoticon!! SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!

[fontisian]

Nah, the arbitrary rules that I hunt by say that smiley's fine.

[Chief Rum]

Timmae has been around longer than Grover and cheekimonk, and I am not going to vote out established strong players like EF and The Jackal on Day One, so I am going with timmae from among the newer players with more than one vote.

VOTE TIMMAE

[cheekimonk]

Gah, that smiley thing...

unvote EagleFan
vote font

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

Timmae [3] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84), Chief Rum (135)
EagleFan [2] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113)
Grover [2] - The Jackal (97), Zinto (106)
The Jackal [2] - Coffee Warlord (94), MartinD (112)
Cheekimonk [2] - timmae (82), EagleFan (114)
Britrock88 [1] - path12 (109)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)
Fontisian [1] - Cheekimonk (136)

Yet to Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[timmae]

Ok, back to Chicago... catching up on the days action. Not many posts I am afraid.. Thoughts so far:

Read as neutral/good: Fontisian (similar outset to last games posts, not at all like EF's game), Narc (some ruleset review), Coffee Warlord (reviewing ruleset, seems actively participating), Zinto (adding thoughts), Chief Rum (ditto)

Checked in but not much to go on: Vaimes, Path, EF, Martin Grover, Britrock, Jackal, Cheeki, ChiefRum


No info/checkin yet: Raven, Glengoyne

unvote: cheekimonk
Vote: Glengoyne

[Zinto]

This has been a slow day

[Zinto]

Ok, back to Chicago... catching up on the days action. Not many posts I am afraid.. Thoughts so far:

Read as neutral/good: Fontisian (similar outset to last games posts, not at all like EF's game), Narc (some ruleset review), Coffee Warlord (reviewing ruleset, seems actively participating), Zinto (adding thoughts), Chief Rum (ditto)

Checked in but not much to go on: Vaimes, Path, EF, Martin Grover, Britrock, Jackal, Cheeki, ChiefRum


No info/checkin yet: Raven, Glengoyne

unvote: cheekimonk
Vote: Glengoyne

I don't think you will see Glen getting many votes. He is a newbie who hasn't checked in yet.(Two reasons we avoid someone on day one)

[EagleFan]

unvote cheekimonk

vote Grover

[EagleFan]

Google Maps Pac Man!!!!! This is going to be a time sink.... :D

[path12]

Glen might be new but Raven isn't, right?

UNVOTE BRITROCK88
VOTE RAVEN

[path12]

Why no vote on someone who hasn't checked in? If you aren't going to play what does your role help us?

[path12]

Dola, I ask because that used to be a pretty automatic vote back in the day.

[path12]

BTW, I'm here for another 15-20 minutes then gone until after deadline.

[path12]

OK, that was met with resounding silence and I've got to run, so will make the vote count at least.

UNVOTE RAVEN
VOTE GROVER

I think that ties it up. Maybe we get one!

[The Jackal]

unvote grover
vote eaglefan

[Zinto]

Why no vote on someone who hasn't checked in? If you aren't going to play what does your role help us?


I think the thinking goes that the person will either show up or be replaced if they do not.

[timmae]

Didnt realize GG was new... Since raven is still not checked in I will place my vote there for now.

unvote glengoyne
Vote raven

[MartinD]

If I see the votes correctly, we currently have three people with 3 votes each (timmae, EagleFan, Grover) - I'm not going to be around for deadline, so it seems like concentrating the votes on those three is the right thing to do.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE TIMMAE

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151)
Grover [3] - Zinto (106), EagleFan (141), path12 (147)
EagleFan [3] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148)
The Jackal [1] - Coffee Warlord (94)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)
Fontisian [1] - Cheekimonk (136)
Raven [1] - timmae (138)

Yet to Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[timmae]

Well, that confuses things...

unvote raven
Vote eaglefan

[cheekimonk]

There are 5 Aes Sedai among us and "a number" of Black Ajah, but is a Black Ajah no longer an Aes Sedai? If they were Aes Sedai, couldn't they hide amongst them? So do we have 5 Aes Sedai who serve the light, or is one (or more) of them Black Ajah?

[cheekimonk]

Alright, I'll jump in this fray...

unvote font
vote Grover

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151)
EagleFan [4] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153)
Grover [4] - Zinto (106), EagleFan (141), path12 (147), cheekimonk (155)
The Jackal [1] - Coffee Warlord (94)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

Yet to Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[EagleFan]

unvote Grover

vote The Jackal

Going with a hunch here.

[Chief Rum]

unvote Grover

vote The Jackal

Going with a hunch here.

You're putting yourself in more danger with that change, with the vote count as it currently is.

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151)
EagleFan [4] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153)
Grover [3] - Zinto (106), path12 (147), cheekimonk (155)
The Jackal [2] - Coffee Warlord (94), EagleFan (158)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

Yet to Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[Zinto]

unvote Grover
vote jackal

[cheekimonk]

unvote Grover

vote The Jackal

Going with a hunch here.

That was...interesting(?)

[Zinto]

I will follow your hunch EF

[cheekimonk]

I've heard this tune before...

unvote Grover
vote EagleFan

[Coffee Warlord]

Kids are down, reading.

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, this ain't disturbing at all.

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151)
The Jackal [3] - Coffee Warlord (94), EagleFan (158), Zinto (160)
Grover [1] - path12 (147)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

Yet to Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[The Jackal]

I will follow your hunch EF

Interesting.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 EF, 4 timmae, 3 Jackal?

[Coffee Warlord]

Zinto and EF both drop Grover, huh?

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, easy way to find out if that means anything. We got enough for a late run?

Unvote Jackal
Vote Grover

[EagleFan]

I've heard this tune before...

unvote Grover
vote EagleFan

Is that a macro that you have?

[Coffee Warlord]

AND cheek drops him too.

[EagleFan]

I know mine means nothing except that I an suspicious of Jackal.

[Zinto]

I am all for voting Grover. It just didn't seem to be happening.

[Coffee Warlord]

Three people move away from Grover late, two of them onto the same other candidate. Best I can come up with on Day 1 is finding out if Grover was a lucky hit or not.

[EagleFan]

AND cheek drops him too.

Me thinks you may be reading too much into day one moves.

[cheekimonk]

Mine means I'm suspicious of EagleFan's hunches...especially when he lays his neck on the block.

[Shoveler]

Ten Minute Warning

[EagleFan]

To be honest there are two people that I would be fine with a run on , just because of an early hunch. The current leaders don't fall in that duo.

[Coffee Warlord]

Me thinks you may be reading too much into day one moves.

What game do you think this is? :)

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), fontisian (84), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151)
The Jackal [2] - EagleFan (158), Zinto (160)
Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

Yet to Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[fontisian]

Unvote
Vote The Jackal

Oops.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 3 3 now.

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [3] - vaimes (83), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151)
The Jackal [3] - EagleFan (158), Zinto (160), fontisian (182)
Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

Yet to Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[EagleFan]

Look at those making a run on me...

[timmae]

Font/EF, Why are you voting jackal?

[cheekimonk]

Look at those making a run on me...

You mean me? You were sitting at 4 for at least an hour.

[Coffee Warlord]

Think you're fucked, EF.

[EagleFan]

I voted him because of a hunch.

[EagleFan]

unvote The Jackal

vote timmae

[Shoveler]

Day 1 Vote

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151), EagleFan (190)
The Jackal [2] - Zinto (160), fontisian (182)
Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

Yet to Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[cheekimonk]

unvote The Jackal

vote timmae

Little late considering this was the kettle you boiled for yourself. Will it be enough?

[EagleFan]

Down goes a seer...

[Shoveler]

DEADLINE

[Zinto]

unvote Jackal
vote tim

[Zinto]

Well crap if EF is telling the truth

[Autumn]

Results will be posted in a moment, please wait ...

[Autumn]

The people of each nation, each faction, disagree about many things but all of them agree that the Shadow lies across all their lands and that it must be stopped. The only way to do that is to find those who serve it, no matter where they hide, and bring them to justice.

Today you bring forth Eagle Fan, accused by many of secretly serving the Dark One. He refuses to confess despite all the accusations and so it is decreed Eagle Fan will be put to death.

But what is this now? From among the crowd step out women dressed in colored shawls, the sisters of the White Tower, Aea Sedai. “This is one of ours, and we will administer our own justice,” they say. They bring EagleFan forth and you see that EagleFan was one of the Brown Ajah, an Aes Sedai sworn to fight the light. “Is she of the Black Ajah?” you hear the sisters whisper but then they take EagleFan away, their form of justice not to be seen by others.

When they return, the mood is somber. “EagleFan was of the Brown Ajah, and served the Light.”

[Autumn]

It is Night 1. You have until 10 pm EST, less than one hour, to submit any night actions you may have.

[EagleFan]

Good luck village.

[timmae]

That sucked... sorry EF.

[The Jackal]

1) genuinely thought the deadline was at 10, my bad

2) wish EF had said something earlier

[fontisian]

Seriously. One minute before the deadline?

[cheekimonk]

That sucked... sorry EF.

It sucks we lost a seer, but he was tied with you and Grover, dropped Grover to start a very late run on someone, then jumped to you when what he had done was going to backfire.

[britrock88]

Good luck village.

Ugh, I live in Central time so I misremembered the deadline and didn't move my meta!!! :(

[britrock88]

Looking at the Brown description, I think EF was something like a truth seer, as opposed to a typical alignment seer. But I also think he would be the only one of his kind, so... that stinks.

[Autumn]

DEADLINE

[Autumn]

The night seems longer and darker following the loss of one of the Aes Sedai. She was one who knew best how to seek out those who hid in the dark to do evil, and now you are without her presence. It makes for a fitful night all across the land, full of furtive noises and desperate worries.

In the morning the criers spread the news. In the great nation of Tear, in the Stone of Tear itself, someone was found dead, murdered in the night. Worse still, there is hardly a sign of struggle. Was the person caught off guard, surprised by a friend who served the Shadow? Maybe not. For those who knew Fontisian knew that she was a Tinker, one of the nomad people who follow the Way of the Leaf and refuse to do violence. It seems that she did not even resist the killer, but that did not bring her any mercy.

Fontisian was a member of the Tear faction. She was the Tinker. the Tinker had an additional goal of converting all remaining players to the Way of the Leaf. Every night she could choose one player to convert.

[Autumn]

Eagle Fan was the sister of the Brown Ajah. As an expert in the history of the Shadow and its network of Darkfriends, she had the ability to investigate a player every night to determine if they were a Darkfriend.

[Autumn]

Day 2 has begun.

[timmae]

Not a good start... was font an independent player? I don't see mention of Way of the Leaf.

[Vaimes]

Let's try this again.

Vote timmae

[Vaimes]

That super awkward moment when you're catching up and have EF as your first townread.

[britrock88]

(Just a broadcast that I'm traveling over the next few days, so I won't have time for things like voting tables. I'll certainly be reading and posting along, though. :) )

[britrock88]

Vote Grover

Pushing here to start because of the point others mentioned about the momentum away from him in the late going.

[Glengoyne]

Oops I've been away, and just popped in to check the board. I'll catch up. Gotta get to a PC to check my PMs

[path12]

Shit. That couldn't have been much worse. EF, I like that you play loose but GODDAMNIT YOU WERE THE SEER YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL.

Font too. Now I'm sad. For those who know the books is there significance to the Way of the Leaf?

[path12]

(Just a broadcast that I'm traveling over the next few days, so I won't have time for things like voting tables. I'll certainly be reading and posting along, though. :) )

I can put one together in the morning. I've had enough beer to not want to do it tonight.

[Glengoyne]

Vote Grover

Pushing here to start because of the point others mentioned about the momentum away from him in the late going.


As I read through the thread, I was thinking this way as well. Then EF turned out to be a good guy, so I guess I'm no longer suspicious that EF and Grover are/were associated to one another.

I'll read those last couple of pages again in the morning when I've got more coffee and less benadryl on board.

[Narcizo]

What's with the "not revealing as seer" business? At least make the shadow use a night kill on you and run the risk of being blocked by a potential bodyguard. But Eagle knows all that so I got nothing.

As far as font's death goes I guess that shows that at least one wolf was paying attention in the last game so it doesn't really tell us anything useful. Of course it could mean that timmae is bad/someone wants us to think timmae is bad but it's always impossible to read that sort of thing. (For me anyway).

[cheekimonk]

This is my 2nd game and my 1st was vanilla so I want to verify. My assumption is that special abilities can only be used as night actions unless otherwise stated ("can be used at any time"). This means EF's "hunch" about Jackal was just a hunch, being Day 1, and not from his Brown Ajah ability.

[cheekimonk]

Shit. That couldn't have been much worse. EF, I like that you play loose but GODDAMNIT YOU WERE THE SEER YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL.


Agreed. I was the last vote on him but he did directly put himself in danger, and thus called attention to himself, to start a run on Jackal (who had 1 vote at the time I think?) which was immediately followed by Zinto. Why do that unless he had good reason to think (know?) others would follow his lead? My logic anyway...

[cheekimonk]

As I read through the thread, I was thinking this way as well. Then EF turned out to be a good guy, so I guess I'm no longer suspicious that EF and Grover are/were associated to one another.

I'll read those last couple of pages again in the morning when I've got more coffee and less benadryl on board.

I don't think EF being a goodie clears Grover. I didn't see his play as getting votes off Grover but to trigger an "ah, we overlooked him" response on Jackal. His vote just happened to be on Grover. And being Day 1, I don't know that it says anything about Jackal either.

[Narcizo]

Yeah I think it can only have been a hunch. Possibly he planned on scanning Jackal and was signalling the fact for later or laying the groundwork for a drive on him today.

[cheekimonk]

Font too. Now I'm sad. For those who know the books is there significance to the Way of the Leaf?

All I know is that after my first game with her I find it incredibly ironic that she was tagged with the Way of the Leaf ("people who follow the Way of the Leaf and refuse to do violence.") Would have been interesting with a passive font in the game.

[Narcizo]

Vote Grover

Pushing here to start because of the point others mentioned about the momentum away from him in the late going.

Lazy vote is possibly a wolf vote. Looks like you're slapping your vote onto whomever looks the easiest target without giving it a lot of thought there Brit. Even if we didn't know that Eagle was a good guy I'd be hard pressed to follow the logic of how Grover looks suspicious coz of the shift but with Eagle coming up good it just makes no sense to me.

Vote Britrock

[Narcizo]

22:15 #80 Fontisian votes Vaimes (1)
22:25 #82 timmae votes cheekimonk (1)
22:27 #83 Vaimes votes timmae (1)
20:28 #84 fontisian unvotes Vaimes (0)
20:28 #84 fontisian votes timmae (2)
08:39 #94 Coffee votes Jackal (1)
09:51 #96 Britrock votes Eagle (1)
09:58 #97 Jackal votes Grover (1)

12:02 #106 Zinto votes Grover (2)
12:29 #107 cheekimonk votes Eagle (2)
12:40 #109 Path votes Britrock (1)
12:52 #110 Grover votes Vaimes (1)
13:36 #112 MartinD votes Jackal (2)
14:09 #113 Narcizo votes Eagle (3)
14:37 #114 Eagle votes cheeki (1)

18:00 #135 Chief votes timmae (3)
18:04 #136 cheeki unvotes Eagle (2)
18:04 #136 cheeki votes font (1)
18:17 #138 timmae unvotes cheeki (0)
18:17 #138 timmae votes Glengoyne (1)
18:53 #141 Eagle unvotes cheeki (0)
18:53 #141 Eagle votes Grover (3)
19:01 #143 Path unvotes Britrock (0)
19:01 #143 Path votes Raven (1)
19:18 #147 Path unvotes Raven (0)
19:18 #147 Path votes Grover (4)

19:21 #148 Jackal unvotes Grover (3)
19:21 #148 Jackal votes Eagle (3)
19:26 #150 timmae unvotes glengoyne (0)
19:26 #150 timmae votes Raven (1)
19:27 #151 Martin unvotes Jackal (1)
19:27 #151 Martin votes timmae (4)
19:48 #153 timmae unvotes Raven (0)
19:48 #153 timmae votes Eagle (4)
20:06 #155 cheeki unvotes font (0)
20:06 #155 cheeki votes Grover (4)

20:23 #157 Eagle unvotes Grover (3)
20:23 #157 Eagle votes Jackal (2)
20:37 #160 Zinto unvotes Grover (2)
20:37 #160 Zinto votes Jackal (3)
20:39 #163 cheeki unvotes Grover (1)
20:39 #163 cheeki votes Eagle (5)
20:47 #170 Coffee unvotes Jackal (2)
20:47 #170 Coffee votes Grover (2)
20:52 #182 fonti unvotes timmae (3)
20:52 #182 fonti votes Jackal (3)
20:57 #190 Eagle unvotes Jackal (2)
20:57 #190 Eagle votes timmae (4)


Day 1 Vote

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151), EagleFan (190)
The Jackal [2] - Zinto (160), fontisian (182)
Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

No Vote: Glengoyne, Raven

[Narcizo]

Hmm ... there is a possible connection between Jackal and Coffee, in that "looking" at a possible connection between Eagle and Grover allowed Coffee to move his vote off of Jackal when momentum was building against him. I don't really think that Coffee is one to put an early wolfmate vote in on day one AND THEN move it later. I think he guts it out if he decides to vote wolf. So I think I'll stick with Britrock for the time being.

[timmae]

Reading back through the roleset... not sure about "Way of the Leaf" and what that may mean. Maybe just a subset/further descriptor of Tear.

It appears there are now 4 (4+) Aes Sedai. The remaining Ajah's and possible Warders. I am in this group but don't want to say more at this point.

Aiels - Unknown number. Are these the typical "villager" roles?

Illian - Unknown number... hunters for the horn.

Tear - Unknown roles, numbers.

That's at least 6... possibly more if Warders and additional Tear/Illian/Aiel members are present.

Possibly 3 or 4 evil with some neutrals/aux thrown in?

Not sure this helps us at this point but wanted to start discussing for future use. I will post some reads after my morning meeting.

[timmae]

Need to hear more from Glen today. And where is Raven? Want to hear from both today.

[Grover]

Morning guys! Going back through last night's results and post-vote.

Disappointed to see votes lining up against me because a bunch of people jumped off me. I don't like it, but I do understand your reasoning.

[Grover]

Poor reading comprehension! I was looking at yesterday's votes... so disregard that last post I made!

Anyway...

Britrock, we know that EF was the Seer. Yes, he started the 'jump' away from voting for me and several others followed suit. I want to know why that makes you think I am a wolf?

On the other hand, are you trying to protect yourself here? You did vote for EF after all...

vote britrock

[The Jackal]

vote zinto

[The Jackal]

Still found his piggybacking on EF's "hunch" a bit weird. I wanted to see what would happen putting pressure on one of the other voters to encourage movement - at least we've got some moves to look at. Of course my vote is going to look poor in the scheme of things, wish he'd revealed.

[The Jackal]

For those who know the books is there significance to the Way of the Leaf?

Essentially the Way of the Leaf is all about peace and non-violence. The characters you meet in the books are basically gypsy folk searching for a song that will return the origins of their society (that's boiled down and my memory is a little hazy). I'd guess it was just a side quest for font.

[Zinto]

Still found his piggybacking on EF's "hunch" a bit weird. I wanted to see what would happen putting pressure on one of the other voters to encourage movement - at least we've got some moves to look at. Of course my vote is going to look poor in the scheme of things, wish he'd revealed.

I figured I could move to you and move somewhere else depending on what happened. Grover was essentially out of the race at that point so keeping my vote on him would have been pointless. (I also thought we still has another hour at that point)

[britrock88]

This is my 2nd game and my 1st was vanilla so I want to verify. My assumption is that special abilities can only be used as night actions unless otherwise stated ("can be used at any time"). This means EF's "hunch" about Jackal was just a hunch, being Day 1, and not from his Brown Ajah ability.

Some sites will give seers random reads on N0 (that is, as the game starts), but they're always negative, from what I've seen.

[Zinto]

Glen has checked in now but no sign of Raven still

[britrock88]

Lazy vote is possibly a wolf vote. Looks like you're slapping your vote onto whomever looks the easiest target without giving it a lot of thought there Brit. Even if we didn't know that Eagle was a good guy I'd be hard pressed to follow the logic of how Grover looks suspicious coz of the shift but with Eagle coming up good it just makes no sense to me.

Vote Britrock

:p

I'm time limited, hence the laziness. But I'll reread and see how I feel.

[britrock88]

Totally biased gut feeling at this moment is that there's evil among Grover, Jackal, and Narc. I might recant that in 15 minutes, though.

[Zinto]

Some sites will give seers random reads on N0 (that is, as the game starts), but they're always negative, from what I've seen.


That is usually stated in the rules right?(I guess not a lot of information is stated in the rules. It is mostly implied stuff)

[cheekimonk]

I don't think there was anything to this, but I'll start here:

vote Jackal

[Zinto]

I don't really think that a wolf moves off Grover if he is also a wolf yesterday. He had no momentum at the point when votes started moving and it really did not look like he was going to be lynched. It makes more sense to stay put at that point.

[Zinto]

Actually I guess I am wrong about that. Disregard. I should have looked at the vote count again not how just going off how I remember the votes falling.

[britrock88]

Just grouping a few thoughts about the rules...

In fact rereading the rules makes me think that there are 4 factions and the shadows are lurking within these factions rather than being a faction of their own.

Reiterating a Very Important thing to know from the rules - No Conversions.

This game is a bit more difficult than I thought as it seems like evil is spaced throughout. It also seems as though the 4 groups may not be weighted equally with all of the ajah's listed. My spreadsheets just got more complicated!

Another thought I had on my drive from Chicago to Milwaukee... If anyone has any items it is probably best to transfer them to someone else if you will not be around between dusk and dawn. Per the game set the items can be transferred as a night order but if there is a nk and the item is not transferred then it is lost. Correct me if I am wrong on this.. That is not to say that all items are necessarily in good hands at the beginning but I would think so. Thoughts? Just want to make sure we try to maximize our abilities.

Yeah I would be shocked if there wasn't a dragon role. There will probably be some conditions that need to be met for the dragon to be announced to the world/game.

I think that, at this point, we're of the common understanding that shadow exists within faction(s). No conversions is helpful to know--our reads from D1 posts and votes will be useful throughout the game.

I'm not totally sold on timmae's suggestion to pass off items whenever AFK because of the potential for items to fall into the Shadow's hands. That said, certain good players need items, and the group needs to facilitate that somehow.

And I'm betting on the dragon being in the game, too. Don't know what specific conditions or consequences might apply to its presence, but I bet it's here.

[britrock88]

My curated post of interesting votes from D1...

First off, the vote-and-stick votes on EF belonged to me and Narcizo. Mine was the first, at 9:51am, and Narc's was the third (! :) ), at 2:09pm. (It did put EF ahead of Timmae, Grover, and Jackal with 2 votes each.)

OK, that was met with resounding silence and I've got to run, so will make the vote count at least.

UNVOTE RAVEN
VOTE GROVER

I think that ties it up. Maybe we get one!

This vote follows EF's move onto Grover and actually puts Grover ahead of Timmae and EF, 4-3-2. But I think this is an honest mistake in computing the tally.

unvote grover
vote eaglefan

Immediately follows Path's vote and ties Grover, EF, and Timmae at 3.

Well, that confuses things...

unvote raven
Vote eaglefan

Follows Martin's vote of Timmae into the lead to tie Timmae and EF at 4.

I've heard this tune before...

unvote Grover
vote EagleFan

This one's peculiar. EF had switched from Grover to Jackal based on his hunch 15 minutes before. That vote had broken a 3-way tie among Timmae, EF, and Grover at 4.

Cheeki sees this and... decides to bury EF? I'm confused by this. Someone who endangers himself to advance another lynch candidate is acting pretty towny, I'd have to say. This reaction causes me to look askance at Cheeki, for the vote; at Timmae, who was benefited most directly by the switch; and marginally at Grover, whom Cheeki took out of the running with the switch.

[britrock88]

Re: EF as seer...

Down goes a seer...

I'm wondering if EF assumed we'd have more than one seer due to some ambiguity in the rules. Unfortunately, I'd bet that he was the only one we have... :(

(Claim sooner!)

That is usually stated in the rules right?(I guess not a lot of information is stated in the rules. It is mostly implied stuff)

I would expect that it would be stated in the rules. That said, not necessarily so... and this WW forum doesn't typically deal with N0 actions.

[britrock88]

Based on the above...

unvote Grover
vote Cheekimonk

[Coffee Warlord]

Given there are items in this game, I actually assumed the seer power was going to be item based. Looks like I was off base there.

[cheekimonk]

I moved to EagleFan because it was an odd move to put himself in more danger - eliminating Grover...one of the 2 tied w/ him at the time - to try to jumpstart a run on someone w/ 1 vote (Jackal).

He either knew something about Jackal (not likely on Day 1) or was luring votes off of him and possibly timmae, too. A risky, and peculiar, move.