Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Raiders Army]

I would have liked to have seen Tanglewood attract some votes. Mr. W attracted four votes for being bolded and not visiting the site for a few hours. Tanglewood did the obligatory "I'm here" and not much else. But I don't think that a throwaway vote on Tanglewood is forcing the "others" to play their hand today.

Let me correct you. Mr. Wednesday hadn't visited the site in about 24 hours and was bolded and he received votes. I also think that Tanglewood is a prime suspect as well as the ones who bandwagoned Wednesday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

So if one is a wolf, I have a 1 in 4 chance of being right. While all the rest of the "random" votes have a 1/21 chance of being right. I'll take those odds. Also, this game is based on the show and I just don't think that the numbers would NOT play some type of role in this game. If one is a wolf, you have a 1/4 chance of being right, vs. a 3/17 (hypothetical) chance of being right elsewhere, I agree.

But that's predicated on one of the four being a wolf. Suppose none of the four is a wolf -- now you have a 0/4 chance of being right. I've already posited that it's entirely possible that none is a wolf, even if all four have some significance.

[kingfc22]

and kings arrives just as mr. w leaves...should be interesting with mr. w now unable to defend himself reallyActually, I've been in thread for about 5 minutes or so.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Looks like another WW game with a 1st day lynch of a villager/survivor thanks to Blade.

Maybe he's still mad that I blinded him last game.

[Blade6119]

So if one is a wolf, I have a 1 in 4 chance of being right. While all the rest of the "random" votes have a 1/21 chance of being right. I'll take those odds. Also, this game is based on the show and I just don't think that the numbers would NOT play some type of role in this game.

No, if random even the bolded spots have a 1/21 chance...now if your assuming for sure one is a wolf, then sure..1/4...but i assume that it is random, so i dont agree with your argument here at all

Also you say I didn't want to put a vote on a player with a "bandwagon". I didn't know two votes was considered a bandwagon.

I asked for a count on post 211. Hoops listed them out on 212 and then I voted on 213.

There were 3 then, hoops has since stated his list was wrong. So he was the leader, and the votes came very quickly together at the end(bandwagon). And since he had yet to reply it would prob. mean more votes...it was just sensible he was going to get lynched at the time. hence why your vote makes sense

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and I've also told you why I would claim any sort of special role, even if I had one -- even if it saved me today, it would probably kill me tonight, so I'd be better off denying it and hoping to actually get some use out of it.

However, in point of fact, as far as I can tell, I'm nobody special.

[spleen1015]

Tomorrow is a bad day for me. At the most, I'll have 2-3 hours of availability the entire day. If I was a good boy regarding the family, I'm probably unavailable the entire day.

So, I would like extended hours for the weekend, if possible. Waiting until Monday would be best for me, but I don't want the game to be held up on my account.

[kingfc22]

Dola, and I've also told you why I would claim any sort of special role, even if I had one -- even if it saved me today, it would probably kill me tonight, so I'd be better off denying it and hoping to actually get some use out of it.

However, in point of fact, as far as I can tell, I'm nobody special.And my vote is not even on you, but I may be forced to now since I have as many as you.

[Desnudo]

It would be nice if the night action was done before the weekend was over so we had something talk about.

[Blade6119]

Actually, I've been in thread for about 5 minutes or so.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Looks like another WW game with a 1st day lynch of a villager/survivor thanks to Blade.

Maybe he's still mad that I blinded him last game.
I didnt vote for you first, i didnt vote for you last...i honestly forgot you blinded me last game till right now....jerk ;) ...to be honest i dont have a strong feeling on anyone right now...im just trying to ruffle feathers....and im hoping with this 1-1 vote others have to make moves to defend their best interests...trust me, im not strong on you at all...just where i am right now(my third vote of the day)...like i told raiders, no worries

[pennywisesb]

I can hang around during the weekend on and off so any of the three options is fine with me....

[saldana]

well seeing as how i am one of the bolded numbers, I think Ardent would have to be dumb to make all of us the wolves, and since we know he isnt dumb, the statistical argument that one of the 4 is a wolf dont really make a lot of sense to me. that said, as soon as i realized i was bolded, i PM'ed him to find out exactly why i was, and got the lottery number explanation....my reason for asking.....because i knew on day one that they were gonna be a big issue. i personally am shooting at the 1 in 21 chance, as if there was nothing special about the signup board.

[saldana]

dola, i can play over the weekend, whatever is best for everyone else is fine by me

[Alan T]

I can play over the weekend too.. And I kinda like how the bolded numbers have given us something to stir around for Day1. With no Night 0, it would have just been randomness for why people picked whoever. At least now we have something to talk about (right or wrong) :) I know I am watching interestedly to see who is willing to condemn who, or who tries to save whomever. :)

[Desnudo]

Since I've got nothing else to do, my personal high threat/benefit pyschological profiling. Not meant to impy guilt or innocence, just identifying people who probably bear watching:

1. Kwhit - Underrated. Very good at hiding in plain sight.

3. Alan T - Very thorough, methodical

6. Grammaticus - He makes me think of the movie "Terminator" for some reason.

10. Schmidty - Unpredictable. Powder keg. Extremely defensive, good or evil, so you can't tell if he's hiding something.

12. hoopsguy - Thoughtful and thorough

13. Blade6119 - Crazy hero of werewolf act makes it hard to tell if he's killing people on purpose or not

15. Mr. Wednesday - Always seems to be around, but not too around. Adds decent insight when he does post

16. saldana - Been in a lot of these. See #12

18. RPI-Fan - Sort of like a less angry version of Schmidty. Generally pretty quiet which makes him tough to read, but he's shown good abilities.

20. kingfc22 - What, that shuriken in my door? I was asleep while a fight was going on outside my house!

[spleen1015]

Has anyone seen my wife, Meredith?!

[Poli]

With just under three hours remaining I unofficially have Mr. Wednesday and Kingfc22 at 4 votes. I have Alan T and Blade6119 at 2 votes each. Three others each have one vote.

Five players according to my records have yet to vote.

[Desmond]

Im good for the weekend but also understand if people cant play during it.

[kingfc22]

I really don't want to vote for Mr. W, but since I am currently tied I must out of self-preservation.

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY
VOTE MR. W

I'm now off to meet up with my dad before we head out to go watch the US beat up on Japan.

[pennywisesb]

Since I've got nothing else to do, my personal high threat/benefit pyschological profiling. Not meant to impy guilt or innocence, just identifying people who probably bear watching:

1. Kwhit - Underrated. Very good at hiding in plain sight.

3. Alan T - Very thorough, methodical

6. Grammaticus - He makes me think of the movie "Terminator" for some reason.

10. Schmidty - Unpredictable. Powder keg. Extremely defensive, good or evil, so you can't tell if he's hiding something.

12. hoopsguy - Thoughtful and thorough

13. Blade6119 - Crazy hero of werewolf act makes it hard to tell if he's killing people on purpose or not

15. Mr. Wednesday - Always seems to be around, but not too around. Adds decent insight when he does post

16. saldana - Been in a lot of these. See #12

18. RPI-Fan - Sort of like a less angry version of Schmidty. Generally pretty quiet which makes him tough to read, but he's shown good abilities.

20. kingfc22 - What, that shuriken in my door? I was asleep while a fight was going on outside my house!

I'm not sure if humor was intended, but I definately got a good laugh out of this. FWIW, it seems as though your profiling is right on the money, at least as far as I'm concerned. Your Blade and Schmidty profiles are awesome.

[spleen1015]

I want to make sure I have the game straight.

A member of The Others can lie and say that they are a Survivor, correct?

[Blade6119]

I want to make sure I have the game straight.

A member of The Others can lie and say that they are a Survivor, correct?
I cant imagine a time when they wouldnt..for them to say they are an other would be a death threat

[Alan T]

I want to make sure I have the game straight.

A member of The Others can lie and say that they are a Survivor, correct?


Thats what they are doing right now. out of all of us, there are maybe 3-4 people who are lying, and basically being a "wolf" to trick us. They don't have to say anything true, or might have partial truths. Our goal is to try to watch what people say and do to catch them in the act, to trip them up and lynch them.

[Desnudo]

I'm not sure if humor was intended, but I definately got a good laugh out of this. FWIW, it seems as though your profiling is right on the money, at least as far as I'm concerned. Your Blade and Schmidty profiles are awesome.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's my true feelings on the people on the list, but I did try and spice it up a little. ;)

[hoopsguy]

Actually, there are probably more than 3-4 who are lying - or at least keeping info from us. Someone with a special role as a survivor certainly is not trying to give that information away; it would make them a bigger night target.

That said, they don't want to die with information that can help the survivors. So they will usually try to put hidden clues out there. That type of stuff normally doesn't happen until at least Day 2, since they don't have any information at the moment (game started with Day cycle, not Night cycle).

[hoopsguy]

The four people with multiple votes are not the ones I would have chosen to race off today, based on previous games. If we end up lynching a survivor, then we are losing someone of value right out of the chute. Not just as a survivor (thus boosting our numbers) but someone who generally plays the game with above-average interest and intensity.

OK, hope to be around late tonight and catch up on the days events - barring a late vote swing in my direction or a quick Night cycle.

[pennywisesb]

I don't like doing this, but since it looks as though we are being pressured to vote one or the other, I'm going to Vote KingFC. I know in previous games Mr. W has done a good job, and if he's a survivor, it'd be tragic to lose him on day one.

I'm heading home from work right now and I'm not sure I'll be on again before the deadline so I hope I'm not making a mistake. Day one always sucks because of the lack of evidence.

[Desnudo]

I pretty much agree with that sentiment. I'm not sure that there is a ever a "good" vote off the first day though, unless you get lucky. You either get rid of someone exprienced or someone who probably hasn't played much. I'd hate to ruin someone's enjoyment if they hadn't played much before.

[Raiders Army]

I hesitate to leave my vote on kingfc. Although I think most people would view me as being innocent since I was his first vote, I don't like the bandwagon that occurred. It seems as if it's too...contrived.

That being said, I'm fairly certain that the others are playing it safe and spreading their votes out.

[Schmidty]

10. Schmidty - Unpredictable. Powder keg. Extremely defensive, good or evil, so you can't tell if he's hiding something.

WTF?!?!?!?!! Taking a fucking personal shot in a damned WW game??? If I saw you in real life, I'd poop on your shoe!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:


;)

[Raiders Army]

poop
He said poop. :D

Anyhow, I'm out for the night. I guess I'll leave my vote as is. Good luck to us.

[hoopsguy]

Count me among the suspicious with the steady movement towards Kingfc, even though I was part of that bandwagon.

UNVOTE KINGFC22
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

There is no reason for a counter bandwagon to form if we missed on our first guy. The "others" can just dump votes in as random a pattern as possible. So if a 2nd bandwagon is forming, it casts suspicion on the guy who is escaping the original one.

Does this make sense to anyone else? Hope so - and hope that my vote lands on a villain at the end of the day.

[Schmidty]

Hell of a lot of vote switching going on, which seems odd for a first day when we have no actual evidence of anything.......

[spleen1015]

I hesitate to leave my vote on kingfc. Although I think most people would view me as being innocent since I was his first vote, I don't like the bandwagon that occurred. It seems as if it's too...contrived.

That being said, I'm fairly certain that the others are playing it safe and spreading their votes out.

I've given considerable thought to changing my vote to kingfc22. He was accused of being a bad guy and instead of denying it, he used smoke and mirrors to cloud the situation.

That combined with Mr. Wednesday claiming to not be a bad guy leads me to want to change my vote.


BUT!


Mr. Wednesday's effort when seeing he had the most votes and such lead me to think he is a bad guy trying to stick around.

So, I think I am leaving my vote the same.

Of course, that could change some time tonight.

[Blade6119]

Count me among the suspicious with the steady movement towards Kingfc, even though I was part of that bandwagon.

UNVOTE KINGFC22
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

There is no reason for a counter bandwagon to form if we missed on our first guy. The "others" can just dump votes in as random a pattern as possible. So if a 2nd bandwagon is forming, it casts suspicion on the guy who is escaping the original one.

Does this make sense to anyone else? Hope so - and hope that my vote lands on a villain at the end of the day.
i honestly dont see the bandwagon on king like i do on w...first vote raiders was just a counter vote for king voting him....second vote was me in response to me thinking i tricked him into voting raiders...your the 3rd vote, when he was down 4-2, making you the key..you reason it how you will...and mr. w 4th for self-preservation reasons....the only odd vote there i see is you

[Alan T]

Count me among the suspicious with the steady movement towards Kingfc, even though I was part of that bandwagon.

UNVOTE KINGFC22
VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

There is no reason for a counter bandwagon to form if we missed on our first guy. The "others" can just dump votes in as random a pattern as possible. So if a 2nd bandwagon is forming, it casts suspicion on the guy who is escaping the original one.

Does this make sense to anyone else? Hope so - and hope that my vote lands on a villain at the end of the day.

I think I see what you are saying. I was a bit nervous with alot of people voting after me, but I was afraid if I changed my vote after the bandwagon started I would be viewed as trying to "save Mr. Wednesday" I figured since I dont know either of these people nor have any proof about either, it was safer for me to stay where I was and then try to learn what I could about people who voted after me.

[SnDvls]

I say get the night actions posted sometime between tonight and tomorrow and take a break on the day until Monday. I'll be on very limited this weekend if at all.

[Poli]

I say get the night actions posted sometime between tonight and tomorrow and take a break on the day until Monday. I'll be on very limited this weekend if at all.
It appears that is what we'll do. We'll process night actions as they come in, and then resume with a Monday night deadline for Day 2.

[mckerney]

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

[Desnudo]

WTF?!?!?!?!! Taking a fucking personal shot in a damned WW game??? If I saw you in real life, I'd poop on your shoe!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:


;)

I wear flip-flops

[spleen1015]

I wear flip-flops
Then he'll poop on your foot.

[Desnudo]

I'm considering voting for him for that. But lynching him would just give him more time to poop.

[Desnudo]

One thing that must not happen tonight is a tie.

[Blade6119]

One thing that must not happen tonight is a tie.
mr. w is up 6-3 i believe...we are far from a tie now

[Alan T]

One thing that must not happen tonight is a tie.


You can bet that I'm not going anywhere near tie votes this time :)

[Blade6119]

Id be willing to cast a vote to break a tie..this game i dont have anything to lose, so ill take my chances if you set it up

[Raiders Army]

Back before the vote. Interesting shift away from king to Wednesday again.

[Blade6119]

Im back until the deadline as well after a nice dinner...should be an interesting day 2

[Alan T]

This is what I have so far. Mr. Wednesday 7, King 3, Alan and Blade 2:

(67) Blade Votes Mckerney (1)
(115) hoops votes Taz (lol)
(121) hoops UNVOTES taz (lol)
(121) hoops Votes Tanglewood (1)
(138) Alan Votes Mr. Wednesday (1)
(147) Sndvls Votes Grammaticus (1)
(151) saldana votes Alan (1)
(162) Blade UNVOTES Mckerney (0)
(162) Blade votes Raiders Army (1)
(168) Grammaticus votes desmond (1)
(181) Bearcat votes Mr. Wednesday (2)
(182) Spleen votes Mr. Wednesday (3)
(190) Kwhit Votes Rpi (1)
(208) Schmidty votes blade (1)
(210) Swaggs votes Blade (2)
(213) King votes Raiders army (2)
(217) Raiders Army votes king (1)
(222) Desmond votes Mr. Wednesday (4)
(226) Mr. Wednesday votes Rpi (2)
(232) Celeval votes Alan T (2)
(235) Blade UNVOTES Raiders Army (1)
(235) Blade votes King (2)
(241) Hoops UNVOTES Tanglewood (0)
(241) Hoops votes King (3)
(242) Mr. Wednesday UNVOTES rpi (1)
(242) Mr. Wednesday Votes king (4)
(268) king UNVOTES Raiders Army (0)
(268) king votes Mr. Wednesday (5)
(281) Hoops UNVOTES King (3)
(281) Hoops Votes Mr. Wednesday (6)
(288) mckerney votes Mr. wednesday (7)

[Raiders Army]

Thanks Alan. Something interesting about hoopsguy: he unvoted twice to hop on the bandwagon. Once to vote king when king had the lead, and then became one of the deciding votes for Wednesday.

[Desnudo]

Id be willing to cast a vote to break a tie..this game i dont have anything to lose, so ill take my chances if you set it up

Is there a benefit to doing that?

[Blade6119]

Is there a benefit to doing that?
Other then my personal enjoyment of the game, no :D

[saldana]

i am gonna have a friggin stroke if we start the "lets force a tie" crap again...that didnt work for us at all last game.

[Desnudo]

Other then my personal enjoyment of the game, no :D

Hehe, I think you already seem to get enough personal enjoyment out of this game. I'm not particularly interested in seeing either King or Mr. W go the first night since I think they're both good players. But it looks like one will be. Since I don't know that you're not an Other, I'd prefer not to leave it in your hands, no offense.

[Desmond]

Noob question, what happens in case of a tie?

[Blade6119]

Noob question, what happens in case of a tie?
depends on ardent and how he set up the rules...either a tie-breaker role breaks it, duke decides, last first vote decides, or neither die...

[Desnudo]

Noob question, what happens in case of a tie?

It depends on the rules. Sometimes there's a built-in tiebreaker, like the last person to receive a lynch vote is the one lynched. Other times there's roles, like someone's vote might be counted double in case of a tie. Last game there was a % of total votes calculation that determined whether one, both, or none died.

[Blade6119]

Hehe, I think you already seem to get enough personal enjoyment out of this game. I'm not particularly interested in seeing either King or Mr. W go the first night since I think they're both good players. But it looks like one will be. Since I don't know that you're not an Other, I'd prefer not to leave it in your hands, no offense.
None taken...it was kind of a joke :)

[Desnudo]

All right, let me on the wagon train. Let's roll the dice:

Vote Mr. Wednesday

[Blade6119]

I really dont like this...wednesday is dead, and i think he had a special role for the good guys...

[Raiders Army]

Strange that mckerney voted for a bolded name since he made a big deal out of it before.

[Poli]

As the day progresses the survivors of the crash bicker about what they've seen and who is responsible.

Near mid afternoon it's revealed that a huge prison has been dug into the ground just off the beach.

"The ones responsible will be thrown in there until they finally admit what they've done is wrong!" someone yells.

Paranoia ensues.

[Raiders Army]

Interesting developments. Prison?

[Blade6119]

As the day progresses the survivors of the crash bicker about what they've seen and who is responsible.

Near mid afternoon it's revealed that a huge prison has been dug into the ground just off the beach.

"The ones responsible will be thrown in there until they finally admit what they've done is wrong!" someone yells.

Paranoia ensues.
No role reveals on death maybe....that could be very bad

[SnDvls]

does it mean there might also be a jail break like in the outlaws game?

[saldana]

perhaps someone in prison loses their abilites? kind of like the outlaw game?

[SnDvls]

it's almost 8 PM here isn't it past deadline?

[Blade6119]

it's almost 8 PM here isn't it past deadline?
yes, mr. w is dead

[Blade6119]

ECHO

[SnDvls]

ECHO

ECHO

[mckerney]

Strange that mckerney voted for a bolded name since he made a big deal out of it before.

I made a big deal out of deciding to vote for someone because their name was in bold. I honestly believe that being bolded has no impact on what role someone has. As I stated in post #104 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1047568&postcount=104), "I may vote for someone whose name is bold, but the fact that it is in bold will have nothing to do with the decision." My stand by my argument, which as Blade correctly speculated was simply me giving reason for my innocence when he was going under the theory that bold names meant something.

My reasons for voting for Mr. Wednesday were simple, it was quite obvious to me at the time of voting that he was going to be gone anyway. I saw no need to create enemies who could then potentially have reason to vote for me later on, or be a target for assassination by one of the others trying to frame someone else, especially when we having absolutely nothing to go on at this point.

If someone trying to save their own ass appears strange, the same can be said for any one of us at this point.

[saldana]

where the hell is ardent

[Blade6119]

ECHO
Sure is quiet around here...a lot of stuff went down today

[tanglewood]

Hi, sorry about not being arouind earlier, only just got in. Reading up what happened now...

[SnDvls]

yup, not sure where to go with it all. You got any thoughts before AE posts the lynch write up?

[Blade6119]

I made a big deal out of deciding to vote for someone because their name was in bold. I honestly believe that being bolded has no impact on what role someone has. As I stated in post #104, "I may vote for someone whose name is bold, but the fact that it is in bold will have nothing to do with the decision." My stand by my argument, which as Blade correctly speculated was simply me giving reason for my innocence when he was going under the theory that bold names meant something.

My reasons for voting for Mr. Wednesday were simple, it was quite obvious to me at the time of voting that he was going to be gone anyway. I saw no need to create enemies who could then potentially have reason to vote for me later on, or be a target for assassination by one of the others trying to frame someone else, especially when we having absolutely nothing to go on at this point.
By making this comment you achieved everything you didnt want to...in the first paragraph you have made yourself an assasination target to frame me, and with the second you have admitted every reason a wolf would make that vote...just wow

[Schmidty]

By making this comment you achieved everything you didnt want to...in the first paragraph you have made yourself an assasination target to frame me, and with the second you have admitted every reason a wolf would make that vote...just wow

Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!
Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!
Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!
Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!
Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!
Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!
Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!
Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!
Every one's on fire! Ahhhhh!!!!!

[Blade6119]

yup, not sure where to go with it all. You got any thoughts before AE posts the lynch write up?
I saw a link between hoops and mckerney today, from hoops' defense to them both being the swing votes to lynch mr. w...it seemed to me mr. w was a good guy, a special good guy...and i normally dont like his play so when i say so you have to believe i think it. I think the other two bolds, saldana and raiders are most likely good...

Lastly, in regards to mckerney/hoops, a sway went to king over mr.w, and right when mr. w left, hoops and mckerney moved it back to mr. w...very interesting

[Poli]

...

[Blade6119]

...
Whats the hold-up buddy?

[SnDvls]

I think today will turn out to be a wasted day only because Mr. W wasn't here to defend himself from the start and some others got in on that bandwagon.

[Schmidty]

Whats the hold-up buddy?

He likes to watch you go into ridiculous convulsions of spasticness....

[mckerney]

By making this comment you achieved everything you didnt want to...in the first paragraph you have made yourself an assasination target to frame me, and with the second you have admitted every reason a wolf would make that vote...just wow

Perhaps I am an assassination target now. In that case, I can only hope my vote didn't go to get rid of a special survivor who could protect me as you have speculated. Though if that is a reason that one of the others would have made the vote, it's also a reason that a survivor would too. I simply wanted to avoid voting for someone that would still be around on the island with no real reason to make the vote, which is why I waited as long as I did to make my decision.

[Alan T]

I think today will turn out to be a wasted day only because Mr. W wasn't here to defend himself from the start and some others got in on that bandwagon.


very rarely do we ever seem to lynch a bad person on day 1. Most likely both king and Mr. W were good guys just based on odds alone, unless we are very lucky that tends to usually be the case.. However we can usually learn something about people's actions built up over a few days. Maybe something from today will jump out at us tommorrow or the next day once we know more.

[Poli]

Initially, survivors point at each other. Eventually, a fist fight breaks out. It's hard to sort out just what is going on.

The survivors break off into groups, each trying to decide who should go into the prison first. The largest group, with eight people in it, come out of their makeshift huddle and grab Mr. Wednesday.

Wednesday fights and screams that he was on the plane...but to no avail. No one comes to his rescue.


Mr. Wednesday screams from the pit, but everyone just ignores him. Maybe he'll eventually confess.


Night actions are due by Monday morning at 9am CST, but would greatly be appreciated by 9am CST tomorrow.

Sleep tight, survivors.

[Blade6119]

Can people in prison be killed or freed?

[Alan T]

Does anyone know if this prison is part of the show? if so, what are some details about it?

[saldana]

ok, so a lynch vote sends you to jail...anyone with background from the show have anything about this jail pit?

i am wondering if we have to vote the same person 2 times to acutally lynch them.

i am also totally confused, as we essentially spent the whole day learning nothing except for voting patterns, but we have no perspective on those patterns without the actual lynch/role reveal

[tanglewood]

Right, well as per standard day 1 procedure I don't really have any read on anyone yet. Still not too sure why Mr. W has been singled out, could someone summarise for me?

What implications does the jail have? Possibly those 'lynched' go to jail, so could they be freed later? Does that mean no reveal?

[spleen1015]

Does anyone know if this prison is part of the show? if so, what are some details about it?

The Tailies dug a big hole and used it as a prison when they thought one of their folks were a part of the Others.

Then, when the first group of folks found them, they got thrown into the pit as well because the Tailies didn't know hwo they were.

[tanglewood]

Crap, just realised it seems that I missed the vote. I thought the deadline was 9pm CT = 4am GMT?

[spleen1015]

Right, well as per standard day 1 procedure I don't really have any read on anyone yet. Still not too sure why Mr. W has been singled out, could someone summarise for me?

What implications does the jail have? Possibly those 'lynched' go to jail, so could they be freed later? Does that mean no reveal?

I voted Mr. W because he hadn't checked in by then. By the time he showed up, I didn't see a need to change the vote.

That is why I vote for Mr. W.

[Alan T]

Crap, just realised it seems that I missed the vote. I thought the deadline was 9pm CT = 4am GMT?


It was 3am GMT

[Celeval]

ok, so a lynch vote sends you to jail...anyone with background from the show have anything about this jail pit?

i am wondering if we have to vote the same person 2 times to acutally lynch them.

i am also totally confused, as we essentially spent the whole day learning nothing except for voting patterns, but we have no perspective on those patterns without the actual lynch/role revealIn the show, the prison was in the second camp - the one that didn't come into play until the second season. Those put there generally got back out. However, there were killings - both by the Others and of the Others, and the killings were not who was in the 'prison' area.

I think this implies one in the prison can be released - but if someone is killed (rather than imprisoned), they're gone.

[tanglewood]

Ah, 9 am CST = 3 am GMT. Whoops.....

Well that sucks.

[Alan T]

Ok, then so not only do we know if Mr. Wednesday is still able to communicate, we don't know if he can still vote, or if not currently will he ever have a possibility to again.. And we do not know if he was an other? I'm so confused!

[Desmond]

Odd. There is no "jail" on the show. There was an episode where Sayid "tortured" a dude to get info out of him but I can't remember if that person was a survivor or someone from the outside. This nights action isn't really taking from Lost as far as I can tell.

[Blade6119]

Ok, then so not only do we know if Mr. Wednesday is still able to communicate, we don't know if he can still vote, or if not currently will he ever have a possibility to again.. And we do not know if he was an other? I'm so confused!
Im guessing its like the outlaw game...most everything will be learned through night actions

[mckerney]

Ok, then so not only do we know if Mr. Wednesday is still able to communicate, we don't know if he can still vote, or if not currently will he ever have a possibility to again.. And we do not know if he was an other? I'm so confused!

Agreed. Some clarification is really necessary.

[Blade6119]

Odd. There is no "jail" on the show. There was an episode where Sayid "tortured" a dude to get info out of him but I can't remember if that person was a survivor or someone from the outside. This nights action isn't really taking from Lost as far as I can tell.
Was sayid like a information guy?...possible see? Sorry, dont feel like going all the way back to find out

[mckerney]

Odd. There is no "jail" on the show. There was an episode where Sayid "tortured" a dude to get info out of him but I can't remember if that person was a survivor or someone from the outside. This nights action isn't really taking from Lost as far as I can tell.

Season 2, Ana Lucia digs a jail when she suspect someone from the island is with them, and then throws Michael, Sayer, and Jin in the jail after they was ashore.

[mckerney]

Was sayid like a information guy?...possible see? Sorry, dont feel like going all the way back to find out

Sayid was a former Iraqi Republican Guard communications officer who wound up doing work with the CIA before boarding the plane.

[Blade6119]

Does anyone have an idea just how many characters are in lost?

[Desmond]

The tailies did keep prisoners, thats true.

[Desmond]

The tailies kept prisoners, they just didnt go about it the way it's being played out in this game. Maybe im trying to connect storylines too much.

[spleen1015]

Does anyone have an idea just how many characters are in lost?

Let's see...

Jack
Kate
Locke
Sawyer
Michael
Walt!!!
Jin
Sun
Charlie
Hurley
Ana Lucia
Rose
Bernard
Eko
Desmond - What happened to him?
Zeke - One of The Others!
French Lady
Australian Chick - Aaron's mom
Tailie that Hurley wants to bone

I'm sure I left some out. So, there are about 20 or so.

[spleen1015]

The tailies kept prisoners, they just didnt go about it the way it's being played out in this game. Maybe im trying to connect storylines too much.

I think there are similarities, but I don't think it is 100% copycat.

[Blade6119]

Let's see...

Jack
Kate
Locke
Sawyer
Michael
Walt!!!
Jin
Sun
Charlie
Hurley
Ana Lucia
Rose
Bernard
Eko
Desmond - What happened to him?
Zeke - One of The Others!
French Lady
Australian Chick - Aaron's mom
Tailie that Hurley wants to bone

I'm sure I left some out. So, there are about 20 or so.
So would anyone think it a stretch to assume that some of those characters are roles? So far everything has been game-related, and im certain some of those names are as well. Anyone have thoughts? 21 players, 20 or so names...

[Desmond]

I think there are similarities, but I don't think it is 100% copycat.


Yeah, Im probably overanalyzing.

[Celeval]

I think including "all" Lost people, not just the named cast...

46 originally in Camp 1 (after about three episodes - at least one guy survived the wreck and was killed in the pilot by being sucked into the jet engine) (also, 1 was Ethan, the Other)
23 originally in Camp 2 (I think that includes the Camp 2 Other)

By the start of the second season, we were down Ethan, Boone, the guy killed by the others, the guy killed by the dynamite, and Walt! (taken, not killed). So 41... minus Shannon from season 2 is 40.

When the camps mingled, 8 were left from Camp 2 - the other 15 were dead, taken, etc... apparently including some unknown number of children.


So 48 left now? At this point in the show? I'm sure I'm missing people, but that's total numbers.

[SnDvls]

okay if this is like the outlaws game then we also have a jail keeper role. If the jail keeper is jailed then we lynch if he is free the people voted go to jail.

This is at least how it was in the outlaw game.

Also in the outlaw game the people in jail could still communicate both outlaw and townie in that game.

[KWhit]

Okay. It's totally freaking me out that there is a Desmond in the game.

Desmond was a freakin OTHER in the show!!!11!!!!!!11!!!!


:mad: <---- Supposed to be a scared smilie!

[KWhit]

Okay. It's totally freaking me out that there is a Desmond in the game.

Desmond was a freakin OTHER in the show!!!11!!!!!!11!!!!


:mad: <---- Supposed to be a scared smilie!
Oh wait.... I'm thinking of Ethan. Was there a Desmond on the show?

[Celeval]

I think including "all" Lost people, not just the named cast...Dola... plus those already on the island, Desmond, Rousseau, the two Others who infiltrated, the 4(?) Others we've actually seen in person (i.e. on the boat when they took Walt!).

Plus the security system, but I doubt that's a role. :-D

[SnDvls]

Does anyone have an idea just how many characters are in lost?


at what point?

currently or just after the crash?

or after the walking wounded from the crash died or were killed as they were affecting the minds of those who were still alive from the crash?

[mckerney]

Okay. It's totally freaking me out that there is a Desmond in the game.

Desmond was a freakin OTHER in the show!!!11!!!!!!11!!!!


:mad: <---- Supposed to be a scared smilie!

Was he an other? I know he was already on the island, but he was in the hatch, Jack had met Desmond years earlier, and he didn't appear to be part of any tribe of Others on the island.

[Desmond]

Okay. It's totally freaking me out that there is a Desmond in the game.

Desmond was a freakin OTHER in the show!!!11!!!!!!11!!!!


:mad: <---- Supposed to be a scared smilie!


Dont hold my name against me, lol.

Yeah, there was is a Desmond and Ehtan on Lost.

[Blade6119]

Dola... plus those already on the island, Desmond, Rousseau, the two Others who infiltrated, the 4(?) Others we've actually seen in person (i.e. on the boat when they took Walt!).

Plus the security system, but I doubt that's a role. :-D
Ok, so something like 50 kinda screws my last thought....thanks a lot :mad: ;)

[spleen1015]

Desmond was the dude manning the bunker, pushing the button.

It has never been said if he is an Other or not. They haven't mentioned him since the day he took off running through the jungle.

[SnDvls]

Oh wait.... I'm thinking of Ethan. Was there a Desmond on the show?

yes he was the scottish guy in the hatch.

[Celeval]

Ok, so something like 50 kinda screws my last thought....thanks a lot :mad: ;)But they don't all have names. We're probably looking at around 25-30 named characters who have enough discernable qualities to make up a role.

[Blade6119]

But they don't all have names. We're probably looking at around 25-30 named characters who have enough discernable qualities to make up a role.
Ok, so maybe i do have an idea...just saying, it makes sense

[Celeval]

Ok, so maybe i do have an idea...just saying, it makes senseI'd buy it. I'd also buy either Anna Lucia or Echo (Eko?) as the jailkeeper-type, given the description above.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Geez, it's damp down here.

If anybody's listening up there, I think I remember something about me piling on a bandwagon. Um, duh. I'm in the lead for votes, of course I'm going to try to pile on a bandwagon on someone else. Self-preservation, and all that. I'm rolling my eyes right now, even though you can't see it.

I was definitely on the plane. I'm a survivor.


(ooc) I'm assuming that since I'm not dead yet, I can still talk to you. (/ooc)

[SnDvls]

Roles I belive to be in the game based on what I know from lost.

Doctor - Jack
Bodyguard - Eko, Syad
Hitman/Assisan - Jin
Seer - Locke, Walt!!!
Witness/investigator - Anna Lucia (she was a cop)
Spy/converted - Ethan, Godwinn

I'm sure there might be more, but I too was thinking of running a lost themed game and these were the roles I would have done.

[Bearcat729]

Season 2, Ana Lucia digs a jail when she suspect someone from the island is with them, and then throws Michael, Sayer, and Jin in the jail after they was ashore.


Yep she digs the pits to hold Nathan who the tail section people believe to be one of the others. Nathan is then killed by one of the others who to that point had been unsuspected. She then uses the pit to hold Jin, Michael and Sawyer when they wash up on shore

[KWhit]

Desmond was the dude manning the bunker, pushing the button.

It has never been said if he is an Other or not. They haven't mentioned him since the day he took off running through the jungle.
Oh that's right. I remembered the name from the show, but I was confusing him and Ethan.

Okay, never mind.

(Desmond, I was only joking anyway).

;)

[SnDvls]

But they don't all have names. We're probably looking at around 25-30 named characters who have enough discernable qualities to make up a role.


well I'm sure there are regular survivors too.

[SnDvls]

Roles I belive to be in the game based on what I know from lost.

Doctor - Jack
Bodyguard - Eko, Syad
Hitman/Assisan - Jin
Seer - Locke, Walt!!!
Witness/investigator - Anna Lucia (she was a cop)
Spy/converted - Ethan, Godwinn

I'm sure there might be more, but I too was thinking of running a lost themed game and these were the roles I would have done.


should add the guard could also be the guy who arrested Kate and was bringing her back to the states

[KWhit]

But they don't all have names. We're probably looking at around 25-30 named characters who have enough discernable qualities to make up a role.
For the record, I don't have a name (other than KWhit). I'm simply KWhit the survivor. I don't know if people with roles have names from the show or not. It would be interesting if they did, I guess......

[SnDvls]

Yep she digs the pits to hold Nathan who the tail section people believe to be one of the others. Nathan is then killed by one of the others who to that point had been unsuspected. She then uses the pit to hold Jin, Michael and Sawyer when they wash up on shore


it is assumed Godwinn is an other, but his clothing and self matinence might say otherwise. Was very clean cut/shaven and had on nice clothes vs. Mr. Friendly/Zeke who had a big beard and was very unkept.

[Blade6119]

well I'm sure there are regular survivors too.
I can confirm there is at least one(myself lol)...but i still bet we have some names as roles, just makes sense with the way ardent has run things

[SnDvls]

Initially, survivors point at each other. Eventually, a fist fight breaks out. It's hard to sort out just what is going on.

The survivors break off into groups, each trying to decide who should go into the prison first. The largest group, with eight people in it, come out of their makeshift huddle and grab Mr. Wednesday.

Wednesday fights and screams that he was on the plane...but to no avail. No one comes to his rescue.


Mr. Wednesday screams from the pit, but everyone just ignores him. Maybe he'll eventually confess.


Night actions are due by Monday morning at 9am CST, but would greatly be appreciated by 9am CST tomorrow.

Sleep tight, survivors.

are we going to get a vote breakdown with this?

[Poli]

are we going to get a vote breakdown with this?
Sure. In no particular order...well, it's particular to me, but not to anyone else, and certainly officialish:

Mr. Wednesday -- Hoopsguy, Alan T, bearcat729, spleen1015, kingfc22, desmond, desnudo, mckerney

kingfc22 -- blade6119, Raiders Army, Mr. Wednesday, Pennywisesb

Alan T -- Saldana, Celeval

Blade6119 -- Schmidty, Swaggs

Grammaticus -- Sndvls

Desmond -- Grammaticus

RPI -- Kwhit

[Mr. Wednesday]

I was instructed to tell you all the following:
You all, everybody
I don't like you stupid people
Wearing expensive clothes

[Poli]

Additionally, it appears we'll need a replacement for RPI, as the schedule for this game will not work well with his work schedule.

I'll ask the two on the waiting list unless someone following along would like to join.

[KWhit]

I was instructed to tell you all the following:
You all, everybody
I don't like you stupid people
Wearing expensive clothes
Interesting!

[SnDvls]

okay so if what Mr. W just said is true how do we free him? Can we free him? Damn druggie that's where he's been all day.

[SnDvls]

Alan you have an updated chart like you did on post #298?

[mckerney]

okay so if what Mr. W just said is true how do we free him? Can we free him? Damn druggie that's where he's been all day.

I thought he said he was going to the bathroom... http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_thinking.gif

[Alan T]

I was instructed to tell you all the following:
You all, everybody
I don't like you stupid people
Wearing expensive clothes

I think it must be code! if we take the 4th, 8th, 15th and 16th words we get :

oh wait, only 12 words... so taking the 4th and 8th words, we get what mr.Wednesday is trying to say:

I stupid.

err.. lets try again.. taking every 4th 8th 15th and 16th letter from each line...

Avdy nkup reiv.


hmm.. I give up.

[Alan T]

Alan you have an updated chart like you did on post #298?


Here you go, only one update , but this is full day 1 voting activity:

(67) Blade Votes Mckerney (1)
(115) hoops votes Taz (lol)
(121) hoops UNVOTES taz (lol)
(121) hoops Votes Tanglewood (1)
(138) Alan Votes Mr. Wednesday (1)
(147) Sndvls Votes Grammaticus (1)
(151) saldana votes Alan (1)
(162) Blade UNVOTES Mckerney (0)
(162) Blade votes Raiders Army (1)
(168) Grammaticus votes desmond (1)
(181) Bearcat votes Mr. Wednesday (2)
(182) Spleen votes Mr. Wednesday (3)
(190) Kwhit Votes Rpi (1)
(208) Schmidty votes blade (1)
(210) Swaggs votes Blade (2)
(213) King votes Raiders army (2)
(217) Raiders Army votes king (1)
(222) Desmond votes Mr. Wednesday (4)
(226) Mr. Wednesday votes Rpi (2)
(232) Celeval votes Alan T (2)
(235) Blade UNVOTES Raiders Army (1)
(235) Blade votes King (2)
(241) Hoops UNVOTES Tanglewood (0)
(241) Hoops votes King (3)
(242) Mr. Wednesday UNVOTES rpi (1)
(242) Mr. Wednesday Votes king (4)
(268) king UNVOTES Raiders Army (0)
(268) king votes Mr. Wednesday (5)
(281) Hoops UNVOTES King (3)
(281) Hoops Votes Mr. Wednesday (6)
(288) mckerney votes Mr. wednesday (7)
(308) Desnudo votes Mr. Wednesday (8)

[SnDvls]

I think it must be code! if we take the 4th, 8th, 15th and 16th words we get :

oh wait, only 12 words... so taking the 4th and 8th words, we get what mr.Wednesday is trying to say:

I stupid.

err.. lets try again.. taking every 4th 8th 15th and 16th letter from each line...

Avdy nkup reiv.


hmm.. I give up.

have you seen the show? or are you being sarcastic?

[Alan T]

have you seen the show? or are you being sarcastic?

I have never seen the show. I'm actually just passing time while watching the olympics :) I have no idea what that message meant.

[SnDvls]

I have never seen the show. I'm actually just passing time while watching the olympics :) I have no idea what that message meant.


it's lyrics from a song that one of the lost characters wrote. Now anyone could have looked it up, like my Harry Potter wikpedia thing, but it is a vague reference to Charlie. Which might help support blade's theory that some people have roles with names.

hmmm....

[Bearcat729]

it's lyrics from a song that one of the lost characters wrote. Now anyone could have looked it up, like my Harry Potter wikpedia thing, but it is a vague reference to Charlie. Which might help support blade's theory that some people have roles with names.

hmmm....


So what role would Charlie play in the game?

[SnDvls]

So what role would Charlie play in the game?

not real sure, he's a drug using band member. Could be a lover if there was a Claire role.

[Desnudo]

Interesting result. Not very informative, but definitely a challenging variation. I can see already that I'm going to get a lot of season 2 spoilers before I get a chance to rent the DVDs. :)

[Blade6119]

Here you go, only one update , but this is full day 1 voting activity:

(67) Blade Votes Mckerney (1)
(115) hoops votes Taz (lol)
(121) hoops UNVOTES taz (lol)
(121) hoops Votes Tanglewood (1)
(138) Alan Votes Mr. Wednesday (1)
(147) Sndvls Votes Grammaticus (1)
(151) saldana votes Alan (1)
(162) Blade UNVOTES Mckerney (0)
(162) Blade votes Raiders Army (1)
(168) Grammaticus votes desmond (1)
(181) Bearcat votes Mr. Wednesday (2)
(182) Spleen votes Mr. Wednesday (3)
(190) Kwhit Votes Rpi (1)
(208) Schmidty votes blade (1)
(210) Swaggs votes Blade (2)
(213) King votes Raiders army (2)
(217) Raiders Army votes king (1)
(222) Desmond votes Mr. Wednesday (4)
(226) Mr. Wednesday votes Rpi (2)
(232) Celeval votes Alan T (2)
(235) Blade UNVOTES Raiders Army (1)
(235) Blade votes King (2)
(241) Hoops UNVOTES Tanglewood (0)
(241) Hoops votes King (3)
(242) Mr. Wednesday UNVOTES rpi (1)
(242) Mr. Wednesday Votes king (4)
(268) king UNVOTES Raiders Army (0)
(268) king votes Mr. Wednesday (5)
(281) Hoops UNVOTES King (3)
(281) Hoops Votes Mr. Wednesday (6)
(288) mckerney votes Mr. wednesday (7)
(308) Desnudo votes Mr. Wednesday (8)
Ardent lists penny voting king..dont see it here...whos wrong?

[Blade6119]

it's lyrics from a song that one of the lost characters wrote. Now anyone could have looked it up, like my Harry Potter wikpedia thing, but it is a vague reference to Charlie. Which might help support blade's theory that some people have roles with names.

hmmm....
Id imagine so...unlike the game a few back where i knew, this is merely a guess since everything else is so "lost" themed...it just makes sense for it to be true.

[Blade6119]

I don't like doing this, but since it looks as though we are being pressured to vote one or the other, I'm going to Vote KingFC. I know in previous games Mr. W has done a good job, and if he's a survivor, it'd be tragic to lose him on day one.

I'm heading home from work right now and I'm not sure I'll be on again before the deadline so I hope I'm not making a mistake. Day one always sucks because of the lack of evidence.
Just for you alan, your list needs that added

[Desnudo]

not real sure, he's a drug using band member. Could be a lover if there was a Claire role.

I guess it could be like the old Shakespeare productions where guys played the female parts. I can thankfully say that I am not Claire, or any other woman.

Any guess as to what Charlie might be good at? I remember him not being much of a fighter, but being very overprotective of Claire and the baby.

[Alan T]

Ardent lists penny voting king..dont see it here...whos wrong?


Sorry, i looked back and missed it. its in post 276, hidden in the text a little more. My mistake. I'll add it. thanks for catching it.

[Alan T]

Updated list, sorry for the ommission:

(67) Blade Votes Mckerney (1)
(115) hoops votes Taz (lol)
(121) hoops UNVOTES taz (lol)
(121) hoops Votes Tanglewood (1)
(138) Alan Votes Mr. Wednesday (1)
(147) Sndvls Votes Grammaticus (1)
(151) saldana votes Alan (1)
(162) Blade UNVOTES Mckerney (0)
(162) Blade votes Raiders Army (1)
(168) Grammaticus votes desmond (1)
(181) Bearcat votes Mr. Wednesday (2)
(182) Spleen votes Mr. Wednesday (3)
(190) Kwhit Votes Rpi (1)
(208) Schmidty votes blade (1)
(210) Swaggs votes Blade (2)
(213) King votes Raiders army (2)
(217) Raiders Army votes king (1)
(222) Desmond votes Mr. Wednesday (4)
(226) Mr. Wednesday votes Rpi (2)
(232) Celeval votes Alan T (2)
(235) Blade UNVOTES Raiders Army (1)
(235) Blade votes King (2)
(241) Hoops UNVOTES Tanglewood (0)
(241) Hoops votes King (3)
(242) Mr. Wednesday UNVOTES rpi (1)
(242) Mr. Wednesday Votes king (4)
(268) king UNVOTES Raiders Army (0)
(268) king votes Mr. Wednesday (5)
(276) pennyweis votes king (5)
(281) Hoops UNVOTES King (4)
(281) Hoops Votes Mr. Wednesday (6)
(288) mckerney votes Mr. wednesday (7)
(308) Desnudo votes Mr. Wednesday (8)

[Blade6119]

Very interesting to see hoops break a tie...interesting indeed

[hoopsguy]

Just caught up on the reading and I'm not sure what to think in terms of the results.

Is the character MrW quoted from the show a confirmed survivor?

Blade, why do you think that MrW played a special character, instead of an ordinary survivor (or an "other")?

In hindsight, I kind of wish I had left my vote on Tanglewood instead of seeing if I could instigate a flurry of activity ... generally not my style of play and I don't think I did a very good job here. Don't know for sure without a role reveal, but the activity after I left for the night didn't exactly fill me with confidence in the play.

Blade, when you were looking at the votes for King you did not comment on Pennywise joining the grouping. That was the last one that I had seen before I switched votes. I had seen move from being back 4-1 into a 5-5 tie before I switched. I knew that I wasn't going to be around for a deadline tonight and didn't want to come back and see that I had helped create a secondary bandwagon. So I swung back to the initial bandwagon voter, since he was the primary beneficiary of the secondary bandwagon.

I'll be interested in seeing what the night actions are - perhaps I'll be allowed to see Day 2 since I seem to have played in a controversial fashion up to this point.

[Blade6119]

Short of a role reveal, you're not going to get a whole lot of good cases from anyone. And even a role reveal isn't likely to be worth it, because it'll probably get you killed overnight.
This is telling first, basically saying he doesnt want to role reveal as it would just get him killed that night...then in his posts:

I'm not sure I'll be back by 9 pm CST... I think it's very dangerous to assume anything particularly about people who are bolded. Off the top of my head, it could mean that one or more is a bad guy, or that one or more has has some sort of "cursed" special role that would help the bad guys. However, it could also mean that one or more has some sort of special role that would help the good guys. Or it could just mean, as I noted above, that ardent is trying to mess with us.

If I'm going to get wrongfully lynched here, hopefully you'll learn something useful from my death. I doubt it's going to help us win.
Watch that bolded part...it comes back

If one is a wolf, you have a 1/4 chance of being right, vs. a 3/17 (hypothetical) chance of being right elsewhere, I agree.

But that's predicated on one of the four being a wolf. Suppose none of the four is a wolf -- now you have a 0/4 chance of being right. I've already posited that it's entirely possible that none is a wolf, even if all four have some significance.
Hints at it again

Dola, and I've also told you why I would claim any sort of special role, even if I had one -- even if it saved me today, it would probably kill me tonight, so I'd be better off denying it and hoping to actually get some use out of it.

However, in point of fact, as far as I can tell, I'm nobody special.
This finishes it up...he basically says if he had a role(which he hints at before and after lynch) he wouldnt reveal it...Those are like 4 of the 6-7 posts he made...that just seems like far too many hints to not be something.

[Blade6119]

dola, i dont like having to spell that out to you hoops...you should have picked up on it...in fact, maybe you did(hence why you, the key vote, switched and got him killed)

[hoopsguy]

OK, I'm willing to work with that idea. If that is the case then I guess better in jail than dead to the others. Not sure we can count on jail as the option every day ...

Time to do some Google searches on this character. I'm thinking of borrowing the Season 1 DVD set from a buddy tomorrow, as I have some spare time on my hands.

[hoopsguy]

Here is a Lost site that I have found:

hxxp://www.thefuselage.com

There is a section on the characters - looking through the Charlie stuff it seems like he has a protective nature about him, but also is on the outs with Locke after losing his girl to her. And that he has some anger issues on top of drug problems last year.

In terms of missing out on hints, it happens. I could try to argue that a wolf often hints at their importance when they are on the block, but truth be told I didn't pick up on anything from Mr. W in the little time he was online. When I'm viewing from work, and I have other people that are interacting with me, it does make it harder to really scrutinize post-by-post.

Bottom line, everyone should definitely hold me accountable for bad play if/when it happens, and it may very well turn out that this is one of those times.

Edited for typo on link to site.

[Blade6119]

from the official lost site, in regards to charlie:

BEFORE THE CRASH
# Bass player for successful UK band Drive Shaft; his younger brother Liam was lead singer
# Heroin addiction lasted far longer than band's fame
# Turned to crime to support his habit
# Went to Australia to convince brother to re-form band

ON THE ISLAND
# Locke helped him kick drug addiction
# Rescued Jack from cave-in while in withdrawal
# Befriended Claire, convincing her to move to caves
# Almost killed when they were kidnapped by sinister Ethan Rom; Jack saved him with CPR
# Hunted down and shot Ethan Rom in revenge
# Tempted by heroin found on wrecked smuggler's plane
# Nicknamed Claire's baby Turnip Head

[kingfc22]

So is Mr. W gone or do we have a way to save him?

[Raiders Army]

I voted Mr. W because he hadn't checked in by then. By the time he showed up, I didn't see a need to change the vote.

That is why I vote for Mr. W.

Some things are adding up here. Someone new to the game might not go with the "veteran" strategy of voting for a player who hasn't shown up yet...unless they're getting information from a veteran player. I know you're new, but Mr. Wednesday hadn't even been online to know the game had started, so you gave him absolutely no slack.

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

This vote is strictly because he hasn't spoken up yet and I don't know what my availability will be later tonight. I need to get a vote cast just in case.
You did this well before the voting deadline, and Mr. Wednesday did show up afterwards. At the time you posted this, Schmidty, tanglewood, RPI-Fan, Swaggs, and Desmond did nothing except say they were checking in.

Going back to your first quote, why didn't you see a need to change your vote? tanglewood and RPI-Fan were less active at that point in time, meeting your criteria for voting for Wednesday.

[Raiders Army]

Okay. I'm leaving in about an hour and I'll be gone pretty much all day. I'm all for having the day cycle run through Sunday night.

[spleen1015]

Some things are adding up here. Someone new to the game might not go with the "veteran" strategy of voting for a player who hasn't shown up yet...unless they're getting information from a veteran player. I know you're new, but Mr. Wednesday hadn't even been online to know the game had started, so you gave him absolutely no slack.


You did this well before the voting deadline, and Mr. Wednesday did show up afterwards. At the time you posted this, Schmidty, tanglewood, RPI-Fan, Swaggs, and Desmond did nothing except say they were checking in.

Going back to your first quote, why didn't you see a need to change your vote? tanglewood and RPI-Fan were less active at that point in time, meeting your criteria for voting for Wednesday.

I voted because I was unsure of my availability for the evening. There was a chance that I would be unavailable for the entire evening. I had to vote to make sure I got a vote in. It just so happened that Mr. W hasn't checked in at the time and I used that as my criteria randomly.

Turns out, I was able to be around for much of the evening. I contemplated changing my vote for 3 hours or so. I was very close to switching it to kingfc22 when hoops broke the tie. Then, the votes kept piliing on Mr. W and there was no need to switch since the vote had been pretty much decided at that point.

[saldana]

i really want to know what the deal with Wednesday being in the pit

RA, very nice work on the spleen analysis, i admit i missed it.

blade, i saw the points about wednesday, i did pick up on them when he posted them, but couldnt decide if they were real or just banter...i guess my suspicion level on hoops will be predicated on by if we get wednesday back and he tells us anything.

[Alan T]

Not alot of activity so far this weekend, Im guessing alot of people won't be around much. I had hoped we would have had a little more information by now, I still have so many questions in my head about Mr.W an his place now. So far without any real answers, this has left me with no truly good feels for people's actions from yesterday.

I'm not entirely sure how close I am to Blade's feelings about Hoops. I guess if Mr. W was lynched an revealed to have some important role that he was hinting at then it might have a little more credibility, but my take on it was more along the lines that most people when on the line to be lynched are likely to try to beef up their importance to the survivors to try to keep from being lynched. a Day one role outing usually is rare to see, since it usually means they dont survive long through the night anyways.. I guess for right now, I'd need a bit more to put some heat on Hoops, a player of his calibre I feel can help us alot going on later... and if he's against us, well that scares me greatly.

As for Spleen, I guess I'll wait and see. Without knowing anything about Mr. W I don't want to jump to conclusions about why people protected others or didnt protect them just yet I suppose.

[SnDvls]

no night results yet huh?:(

[pennywisesb]

I wish I watched the show because it seems as though I'm so out of the loop as far as characters go.

[pennywisesb]

Dola, without a role reveal, its hard to analyze voting patterns or anything when we don't know if the person we voted to lynch is actually bad or not.....

[hoopsguy]

I'm not sure what to add at this point without the night actions - Friday night is always a tough time to get people to be timely and Day 1 obviously has the maximum number of people who have to submit them.

Has AE been around at all? I haven't seen him online the couple of times I've peeked at the thread today.

[spleen1015]

As for Spleen, I guess I'll wait and see. Without knowing anything about Mr. W I don't want to jump to conclusions about why people protected others or didnt protect them just yet I suppose.

See post 414.

This is starting to get interested though. You know the reasons why I voted for Mr. W the way I did, yet you're still suspicious. Now, I am thinking, I need to defend myself so that you guys don't get the wrong idea about me. Yet, if I defend myself too much, you guys will read into that.

Simple suriviors, trust me. I am one of you.

[Celeval]

From a newbie point of view - if you're not an Other (or a special? or does that matter), then night actions are essentially just sitting back and waiting, right? Is there anything I'm supposed to be doing?

[Alan T]

From a newbie point of view - if you're not an Other (or a special? or does that matter), then night actions are essentially just sitting back and waiting, right? Is there anything I'm supposed to be doing?


Thats right, for any survivors without special roles, we just wait till the night events are over. We can talk some about what happened the previous day but often times people are hesitant to say too much in fear of becoming a night target. Likewise othertimes if someone thinks they likely will die that night, they sometimes say everything they know before they go.

[Poli]

It's hard to sleep, but most of you find a way to do so. A few of you stand guard around the outside perimeter of the camp. The guards turn over after a few hours and there's nothing to report.

Shortly after the new guards take over, it happens. Trees crash. Animal noises of all sorts come out of the jungle. As the tree crashing comes closer, those closest to the jungle begin to turn and run.

Soon everyone's running, but from what? A few of you stop and turn around, hoping to catch a glimpse of just what exactly is chasing you, but there's nothing there. It takes a few minutes to calm everyone down. Eventually everyone returns to camp.

Poor Mr. Wednesday. He was left in the pit, and now is dead. It appears his neck was snapped. You notice on one of his fingers a ring with the letters, "DS". You also find some heroin in his pockets, obviously this guy was a drug user. Still, who could have done this? Didn't everyone run away from that crashing noise?

A head count ensues and there is one person missing. Grammaticus. Where could he be? A search party is made, and Grammaticus is eventually found dead. His throat was slashed.

You search Grammaticus and his belongings, but find a few things: a lottery ticket and a piece of paper with the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 scribbled on it. In fact, those are the same numbers on the lottery ticket.

Needless to say, no one sleeps the rest of the night.

End Night 1.

Begin Day 2.

[Celeval]

Looks like we lost Charlie and Hurley.

[hoopsguy]

Perfect - from the clues it looks pretty certain that we lost a pair of named survivors.

I suppose it is possible that we are all tied to survivors on the show, but don't know which character we are associated with - for example, Gram could have believed he was an ordinary survivor and played someone with no special role but was "Hurley" - think I'm remembering the guy who won the lottery, right?

Next question - why Grammaticus? Time to review his posts to see if he may have somehow tipped his hand or if it was just luck hitting someone who right now appears to have likely been a special role.

Multiple kills in one night - survivor assassin role?

[hoopsguy]

Grammaticus voted for Desmond fairly early (168) and never moved off of him.

From King, Post #74
One of the characters, Hurley, learned about these numbers while he was in a physc. ward. He later won the lottery with those numbers and ever since he has had INCREDIBLE bad luck.
Looks like the string of bad luck continues ...

AE - did you find an alternate for RPI?

[Alan T]

Well, by this night action I guess I am to assume Mr. W was a good guy? A question for those more familiar, does the DS on the ring, and the heroin coeincide with the guy people mentioned Mr. W might be from the show? The one who wrote weird songs and was a druggy?

Also I remember people saying something about a guy who felt those numbers that Gramm had were very important , would that make Gramm that person?

I guess what I am leading to, what "roles" if any do you all guess Mr. W and Gramm might have had? Without knowing those characters, I have a hard time guessing if we might have lost a bodyguard/witness/seer/duke/etc.

[Poli]

Grammaticus voted for Desmond fairly early (168) and never moved off of him.

From King, Post #74

Looks like the string of bad luck continues ...

AE - did you find an alternate for RPI?
No one has come forward as of yet.

[Alan T]

Perfect - from the clues it looks pretty certain that we lost a pair of named survivors.

I suppose it is possible that we are all tied to survivors on the show, but don't know which character we are associated with - for example, Gram could have believed he was an ordinary survivor and played someone with no special role but was "Hurley" - think I'm remembering the guy who won the lottery, right?

Next question - why Grammaticus? Time to review his posts to see if he may have somehow tipped his hand or if it was just luck hitting someone who right now appears to have likely been a special role.

Multiple kills in one night - survivor assassin role?


Looks like you and Celeval answered my questions partially while I was typing out my questions. I still wonder what "roles" these two might have had if any. Looking at the very front of the thread, Mr. W is now listed dead via Lynch... So I don't think he was assassinated. it looks like we lynched him, it was just a "delayed lynch"? So It seems to me 1 lynch, and 1 night kill by the wolves.

Now why Grammaticus, I looked at a few things, but didnt see much to go on. He did not seem too involved with the events from yesterday. he did not have a bolded name (so if he does have a special role, the bolded names do not indicate that at all). He had one vote for him all day from Sndvls who never left it, and he had a vote like hoops said on Desmond all day.

My hunch is that both might be wild goose chases, maybe maybe not. I wonder though why they would not have gone after someone like Blade or hoops. Hoops might have answered that earlier by thinking he had caused a little controversy with his "mistake". I personally do not think too much of that though.

I guess this at least gives us something to try to figure out. That and any thoughts on roles might be a good place to start.

[Raiders Army]

Multiple kills in one night - survivor assassin role?
How do you get multiple kills in one night?

I see three different possibilities:

1. The person (Wednesday) who is selected for the lynch gets killed during the night phase and the wolves killed one (Grammaticus).

2. You're right, and the assassin and wolves killed one each.

3. Wednesday had Charlie's role and was able to kill someone, so when he was selected for the lynch, he got killed and he took out Grammaticus. The wolves could've converted a cursed.

[Alan T]

How do you get multiple kills in one night?

I see three different possibilities:

1. The person (Wednesday) who is selected for the lynch gets killed during the night phase and the wolves killed one (Grammaticus).

2. You're right, and the assassin and wolves killed one each.

3. Wednesday had Charlie's role and was able to kill someone, so when he was selected for the lynch, he got killed and he took out Grammaticus. The wolves could've converted a cursed.

I still stand by my thought that it is #1. ardent posted in the front char list that Mr. W was lynched.

[Raiders Army]

I believe it is so as well.

[hoopsguy]

In regards to not taking down me or Blade, I expect that both of us will become increasingly more suspicious of the other as days go by and we are both still in the game. Partly the way we are wired (both generally think the other is making moves they often are not), partly because if I was an "other" he is someone who would be on my short list to kill. Blade alluded to this in Post #179 and I more or less reciprocate that idea.

If Mr. W was Charlie - and the drugs coupled with the song lyric strongly suggest this - then what to the initials DS in the ring indicate?

Grammaticus seemed to have good knowledge of the show (reply #167 is an example of this) but he is hardly the only one who fits that role. Perhaps he was killed for his references to watching both "Party of Five" and "Dancing with the Stars"?

OK, time to think like a "wolf" - what do you do if you see an early bandwagon forming on a survivor?
1.) You are excited to be getting a free pass on Day 1.
2.) You make sure that the wolves spread out their votes - if possible, on completely different people but if it is a two-horse race then don't draw attention
3.) For those not voting for the lynchee, put something out there that can be re-read later as supporting his cause.

Do these make sense? If so, there are a couple of people who inch up the "distrust" list ... still wading through the posts, but wondering if the people around this weekend agree with the premise(s) above.

[Raiders Army]

DS means Driveshaft, the name of his band. Nothing more.

[kingfc22]

DS means Driveshaft, the name of his band. Nothing more.You are correct sir. I do find it kind of ironic that Charlie was nearly the first one killed in the show. Also Hurley's bad luck in the show is directed to those around him and doesn't affect him yet he is now dead, too.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Desnudo]

Ok, so completely guessing here, but the Charlie character maybe was the weak-willed convertible person? I have no idea how to translate the Hurley role. I was thinking possible seer, but that role might fall to the guy in the back story that told Claire to get on the plane. Neither would be the bodyguard or doctor. Maybe Hurley was the night wanderer who could view a kill?

[Raiders Army]

Ok, so completely guessing here, but the Charlie character maybe was the weak-willed convertible person? I have no idea how to translate the Hurley role. I was thinking possible seer, but that role might fall to the guy in the back story that told Claire to get on the plane. Neither would be the bodyguard or doctor. Maybe Hurley was the night wanderer who could view a kill?
Maybe Hurley could be the Duke as well. Hurley changed the way they distributed the food from the hatch.

[Desnudo]

That's a possibility too. He was also influentional with everyone, not just a certain clique. My lack of watching season 2 is killing me right now.

[Swaggs]

I have to leave shortly, but everyone who acknowledged, before this, that there were named roles (like Hurley and Charlie) knew more than I did going into the first day.

[Swaggs]

Well, by this night action I guess I am to assume Mr. W was a good guy? A question for those more familiar, does the DS on the ring, and the heroin coeincide with the guy people mentioned Mr. W might be from the show? The one who wrote weird songs and was a druggy?

Also I remember people saying something about a guy who felt those numbers that Gramm had were very important , would that make Gramm that person?

I guess what I am leading to, what "roles" if any do you all guess Mr. W and Gramm might have had? Without knowing those characters, I have a hard time guessing if we might have lost a bodyguard/witness/seer/duke/etc.

DS would be initials for Charlie's band: Driveshaft.

[saldana]

i didnt see anything in gram's post that gave anything away as far as a role went, and i feel slightly disadvantaged knowing nothing about the show so i really cant even begin to speculate what kind of role either of those characters had.

[mckerney]

Now why Grammaticus, I looked at a few things, but didnt see much to go on. He did not seem too involved with the events from yesterday. he did not have a bolded name (so if he does have a special role, the bolded names do not indicate that at all). He had one vote for him all day from Sndvls who never left it, and he had a vote like hoops said on Desmond all day.

My hunch is that both might be wild goose chases, maybe maybe not. I wonder though why they would not have gone after someone like Blade or hoops. Hoops might have answered that earlier by thinking he had caused a little controversy with his "mistake". I personally do not think too much of that though.

I guess this at least gives us something to try to figure out. That and any thoughts on roles might be a good place to start.

I think the reason for going with Grammaticus is rather obvious, he was someone that could be killed and give us nothing to go on. He made an apparently random vote for Desmond, and Sndvls made an apparently random vote for him. I think we're no further along than we were on Day one, save for what seems to be the loss of two survivors.

[mckerney]

i didnt see anything in gram's post that gave anything away as far as a role went, and i feel slightly disadvantaged knowing nothing about the show so i really cant even begin to speculate what kind of role either of those characters had.

I've probably seen every episode 2 or 3 times, and I have no idea what roles those two would play either.

[Desnudo]

I think the reason for going with Grammaticus is rather obvious, he was someone that could be killed and give us nothing to go on. He made an apparently random vote for Desmond, and Sndvls made an apparently random vote for him. I think we're no further along than we were on Day one, save for what seems to be the loss of two survivors.

I think it also has to do with picking someone who is unlikely to be protected.

[mckerney]

I think it also has to do with picking someone who is unlikely to be protected.

Agreed. I'd definitely think the others would be more interested in making sure they eliminate someone early rather than eliminating someone they may see as more of a threat.

[hoopsguy]

What are impressions on King at this point? If he was a survivor along with Mr. W then the others had the luxury of sitting back and enjoying the show on Friday. If not, then we should be paying a lot of attention to the voting patterns (including mine in that list).

[Alan T]

What are impressions on King at this point? If he was a survivor along with Mr. W then the others had the luxury of sitting back and enjoying the show on Friday. If not, then we should be paying a lot of attention to the voting patterns (including mine in that list).


Thats what I have been sitting here thinking about some today. I looked back at how exactly the run on king started, and then how the votes jumped around. It seems to me the run on king started based on Blade trying to watch for a "mistake" in someone's play as the only thing to go on for day 1. He made a similar type of claim against king as he did against you hoops. He felt he made a move that he should have known better not to.

I think the day 1 votes other than a few assorted random votes were 2 groups of people latching onto a specific reason why to vote for someone. Mr. W's group of voters jumped on the lack of participation (last one to show up) and then later once he did show up did not want to move for various reasons (ie: Spleen's comment). King's group of voters jumped on the comment that Blade made regarding his move and why Blade felt it suspicious.

I guess my feelings on king right now are the same as my feelings towards you (hoops).. Blade found something which he finds suspicious, which means something for us to possibly go for. However it could also just be a dead end too. It definitly was one of the avenues I was looking at. The main thing holding me back is I know blade likes to stir up stuff and see what sticks at times, so I don't want to just throw a vote on hoops or king without thinkingg it through a little bit. (if that makes sense. Am eating while I write this) :)

[Desnudo]

What are impressions on King at this point? If he was a survivor along with Mr. W then the others had the luxury of sitting back and enjoying the show on Friday. If not, then we should be paying a lot of attention to the voting patterns (including mine in that list).

I have about the same impression of King as I have of anyone else at this point. Maybe good, maybe bad. Based on probability, most likely good. It's a lot more likely that we lined up two villagers than a combo, as it is on most first days I think.

[Blade6119]

Poor Mr. Wednesday. He was left in the pit, and now is dead. It appears his neck was snapped. You notice on one of his fingers a ring with the letters, "DS". You also find some heroin in his pockets, obviously this guy was a drug user. Still, who could have done this? Didn't everyone run away from that crashing noise?

A head count ensues and there is one person missing. Grammaticus. Where could he be? A search party is made, and Grammaticus is eventually found dead. His throat was slashed.

Very interesting that those two died...and it looks like wednesday was killed by a human assasin(neck snap) while the others kills gramat(neck slash??)

The interesting part for me is the crash we were all supposed to run away from.

[hoopsguy]

If there is a human assassin, I think that Mr. Wednesday would have been a very, very curious choice. He was in jail, we don't know what he can or cannot do if he stays alive there. I don't know how the events of last night played out in terms of PMs sent, but if I had been asked to predict the results I would have been way, way off.

[Raiders Army]

I'm not sure what to think at this point. I think I've drunk too much beer.

You know nobody is on the killing block, since I believe lynch is late Monday.

[Alan T]

Very interesting that those two died...and it looks like wednesday was killed by a human assasin(neck snap) while the others kills gramat(neck slash??)

The interesting part for me is the crash we were all supposed to run away from.


Im confused why almost everyone other than me and (I think Raiders) think this was a human assassin instead of simply the lynch vote. I guess this is not a huge deal to argue about, but I think just for the record, understanding what his death came from is important to know.

Below is why I feel it is a lynching:



Signed up:
1. Kwhit
2. Desnudo
3. Alan T
4. mckerney
5. Swaggs
6. Grammaticus died at the hands of The Others, day 2.
7. spleen1015
8. Raiders Army
9. tanglewood
10. Schmidty
11. Desmond
12. hoopsguy
13. Blade6119
14. Sndvls
15. Mr. Wednesday lynched, day 1.
16. saldana
17. pennywisesb
18. RPI-Fan
19. Celeval
20. kingfc22
21. bearcat729


Alt: Path12, Packerfanatic

[Blade6119]

a lottery ticket and a piece of paper with the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 scribbled on it. In fact, those are the same numbers on the lottery ticket.

Dont buy lottery tickets, this is lost's way of conedeming gambling. ;)

Interesting night, Mckerney had me convinced we was going down...i was sure he would be targeted just to screw me over. Hmmmm, maybe he was, but ardent just limits night kills to two people? Or maybe he wasnt and im just paranoid? Or maybe...i dont know what im talking about :p

[Raiders Army]

Drinking beer is somewhat counterproductive to the thread. I'm out and will participate in tother threads until tomorrow morning. Peace out.

[Desnudo]

[B]i dont know what im talking about :p

Finally, some logic from Blade!

[hoopsguy]

Alan, thanks for posting this. I think we should have a definitive answer on this at the conclusion of Night 2, but it is very hard to dispute what you have posted here.

That said, does this sequence make sense to you?
1.) group votes for lynch
2.) Mr. W ends up with short straw, is thrown in jail
3.) AE tells MrW what to say after he is in jail
4.) guy in jail dies overnight?

Again, hard to argue with what you cite. But this seems like a weird mechanic for death by lynching.

[Blade6119]

Alan, thanks for posting this. I think we should have a definitive answer on this at the conclusion of Night 2, but it is very hard to dispute what you have posted here.

That said, does this sequence make sense to you?
1.) group votes for lynch
2.) Mr. W ends up with short straw, is thrown in jail
3.) AE tells MrW what to say after he is in jail
4.) guy in jail dies overnight?

Again, hard to argue with what you cite. But this seems like a weird mechanic for death by lynching.
Im betting we have a jail master or something, and he gets to decide their fate as long as he is alive/not in jail

[Alan T]

Alan, thanks for posting this. I think we should have a definitive answer on this at the conclusion of Night 2, but it is very hard to dispute what you have posted here.

That said, does this sequence make sense to you?
1.) group votes for lynch
2.) Mr. W ends up with short straw, is thrown in jail
3.) AE tells MrW what to say after he is in jail
4.) guy in jail dies overnight?

Again, hard to argue with what you cite. But this seems like a weird mechanic for death by lynching.


Thats what it seems like happened last night at least. Maybe the way we vote someone for a lynch, or the percentage of votes they receive, or the night action in some way affects what happen to them? Maybe there is a role from one of the survivors to 1 time free a "lynchee" at night, or something else comes into play here.

[hoopsguy]

I'm curious about the role that Mr. W would have played going forward. The fact that he had the drugs on his person doesn't necessarily speak well of his character - from what I read last night Charlie had kicked his drug habit and not re-visited it on the show.

Not that this is intended as some sort of vindication for the vote last night. I was shooting for an "other" and there is zero reason to think at this point that Mr. W was an other. Just trying to understand what took place yesterday ...

[Alan T]

I'm curious about the role that Mr. W would have played going forward. The fact that he had the drugs on his person doesn't necessarily speak well of his character - from what I read last night Charlie had kicked his drug habit and not re-visited it on the show.

Not that this is intended as some sort of vindication for the vote last night. I was shooting for an "other" and there is zero reason to think at this point that Mr. W was an other. Just trying to understand what took place yesterday ...


My guess is since he is a "roled" person from the show he was not a bad guy. I guess my handicap here is I do not know what "roled" people in the show actually are bad guys or if that will carry over to here.

[hoopsguy]

If the vote was percentage driven, then Mr. W had 8 of a total 21 votes. So the % to die would have to be less than 40 if that dictated the decision. I'll be surprised if this is the game mechanic.

[Desnudo]

My guess is since he is a "roled" person from the show he was not a bad guy. I guess my handicap here is I do not know what "roled" people in the show actually are bad guys or if that will carry over to here.

Charlie is a good guy on the show, despite his problems. It's nearly a given that Mr. W was a survivor. Besides possibly being the weak-willed survivor though, I can't really think of another special ability that he might have had.

[pennywisesb]

If there is a human assassin, I think that Mr. Wednesday would have been a very, very curious choice. He was in jail, we don't know what he can or cannot do if he stays alive there. I don't know how the events of last night played out in terms of PMs sent, but if I had been asked to predict the results I would have been way, way off.
I agree. I can't come up with a good reason why Mr. W would be targeted by the assassin. He already had a ton of suspicion on him from day 1 voting, so it doesn't really make sense to take him out IMO. I have a feeling that people voted into jail probably die during the night phase (ie. Mr W wasn't assassinated). I guess we'll have to wait until the next lynch to find out though.

[Blade6119]

I agree. I can't come up with a good reason why Mr. W would be targeted by the assassin. He already had a ton of suspicion on him from day 1 voting, so it doesn't really make sense to take him out IMO. I have a feeling that people voted into jail probably die during the night phase (ie. Mr W wasn't assassinated). I guess we'll have to wait until the next lynch to find out though.
I think he was assasinated for reasons how his neck being snapped and that everyone was away when it happened...to me its fairly clear he was killed by another villager, regardless of what the first page may say

[Alan T]

I think he was assasinated for reasons how his neck being snapped and that everyone was away when it happened...to me its fairly clear he was killed by another villager, regardless of what the first page may say


So along with this thinking, would you think it was a one time thing, or something that happens every night? If a one time thing, why choose then and why choose Mr. W?

[Blade6119]

So along with this thinking, would you think it was a one time thing, or something that happens every night? If a one time thing, why choose then and why choose Mr. W?
i think, as with most assasin roles, it was more then likely a one time thing...and as for why mr. w? Well, charlie had weak morals and didnt like us(from his comment about our chlothes)...it possible the assasin took all this to mean he was an other(or the turncoat)...now i would have gone a different direction, but i could see someone else's train of thought on this matter

[hoopsguy]

As far as I can tell, the song lyric was something that was written by his band prior to arriving on the island. But I would defer to someone who watches the show to give a definitive answer on that point.

It doesn't mean a thing in terms of what an assassin might have done. Either way we should get better information about how the night kills work by the end of Night 2. Not happy about having to wait another day to better understand the process, but not surprised either in a hidden roles game.

[Celeval]

As far as I can tell, the song lyric was something that was written by his band prior to arriving on the island. But I would defer to someone who watches the show to give a definitive answer on that point.Absolutely... the chorus of DriveShaft's one real hit song:

You all, everybody
You all, everybody
I don't like you stupid people
Wearing expensive clothes
You all, everybody
You all, everybody

[saldana]

Absolutely... the chorus of DriveShaft's one real hit song:

You all, everybody
You all, everybody
I don't like you stupid people
Wearing expensive clothes
You all, everybody
You all, everybody

perhaps our assasin made the assumption because of Wednesday quoting the lyric that he was charlie, and came to the conclusion that charlie might have been the turncoat? someone else said that no one on the show is sure if he is a good guy or bad guy, so perhaps the assassin is one of us that watches the show and used this as his reason for snapping wednesday's neck.....or he just got lynched.

[Blade6119]

Well, if lottery hurley wasnt the target and druggie charlie wasnt where did the assasin go?

Maybe a bodyguard role got lucky by protecting someone on night one?

[Blade6119]

dola, maybe the assasin didnt attack at all..forgot that small opportunity ;)

[Celeval]

Someone else said that no one on the show is sure if he is a good guy or bad guy.Well, I wouldn't say that... Charlie is definately not an Other. He's a good guy, although a good guy with problems (the heroin at times, etc.).

[Bearcat729]

In the show Ana Lucia puts Nathan in the prison and Goodwin snaps his neck during the night while everyone sleeps. It seems to me that the move is just a delayed lynch from this morning following a pattern set forth in the show.

[saldana]

In the show Ana Lucia puts Nathan in the prison and Goodwin snaps his neck during the night while everyone sleeps. It seems to me that the move is just a delayed lynch from this morning following a pattern set forth in the show.


excellent, that is the explanation i was looking for...i think with this knowledge, it is safe to say that there was only one kill last night (gram), and mr.w's delayed death was still a result of his lynching.

this means we still have our assassin (assuming we have one) and the others only got one kill last night. i realize we still lost 2 survivors, but the fact that the others only got one makes me feel a little better about our chances.

[SnDvls]

In the show Ana Lucia puts Nathan in the prison and Goodwin snaps his neck during the night while everyone sleeps. It seems to me that the move is just a delayed lynch from this morning following a pattern set forth in the show.


this was my thought too. I'd say Mr. W was good and if his neck snapping wasn't a delayed lynch then we have an assassian among us. Why kill Mr. W in this case as I think it was pretty clear he was giving hints he was Charlie, even though like I stated before he could have looke them up....although it would take a good bit of knowledge of where to start as one couldn't just to a google or wikipedia search for the lyrics.

[Blade6119]

this was my thought too. I'd say Mr. W was good and if his neck snapping wasn't a delayed lynch then we have an assassian among us. Why kill Mr. W in this case as I think it was pretty clear he was giving hints he was Charlie, even though like I stated before he could have looke them up....although it would take a good bit of knowledge of where to start as one couldn't just to a google or wikipedia search for the lyrics.
But why would ardent set it up so he goes to jail just to die...it seems like there is more to it then just a delayed lynch...that much seems clear to me

[Bearcat729]

But why would ardent set it up so he goes to jail just to die...it seems like there is more to it then just a delayed lynch...that much seems clear to me


Because it fits in with the Lost story?

[Grammaticus]

Grammaticus is eventually found dead. His throat was slashed.

Ouch, good luck it looks to be a very interesting game.

[Blade6119]

Because it fits in with the Lost story?
So you assume this will happen with every lynch? I dont

[Desnudo]

Since it says lynched next to his name, I think we can assume that he was lynched. Not being facetious.

[Raiders Army]

Well, if lottery hurley wasnt the target and druggie charlie wasnt where did the assasin go?

Maybe a bodyguard role got lucky by protecting someone on night one?
That's definitely a possibility. I'm going to the bunker to look for more clues. LOL.

AlanT, maybe hoopsguy, Blade, the rest of them know something we don't about two kills???

[Raiders Army]

excellent, that is the explanation i was looking for...i think with this knowledge, it is safe to say that there was only one kill last night (gram), and mr.w's delayed death was still a result of his lynching.

this means we still have our assassin (assuming we have one) and the others only got one kill last night. i realize we still lost 2 survivors, but the fact that the others only got one makes me feel a little better about our chances.
How can the assassin and others get one kill last night? I don't understand your post. If the assassin and others got one kill each last night, there would be three people dead. That's why I don't think there's an assassin.

There is the possibility a player is a "Locke" like character and can do a one-time kill, since we're talking about that.

[Blade6119]

That's definitely a possibility. I'm going to the bunker to look for more clues. LOL.

AlanT, maybe hoopsguy, Blade, the rest of them know something we don't about two kills???
I hope someone can tell us more about what happened...interesting night, but my current guess is some was protected last night. Just doesnt make sense with this rule set and that lynch...something doesnt add up to me

[Blade6119]

Going into today, my trust list reads like this:

HEAVY TRUST:
NO ONE

MILD TRUST:
NO ONE

LITTLE TRUST: NO ONE

DISTRUST: EVERYONE

...for once im left with no idea where to go...right now king or mckerney would get my vote, with hoops a distant third

[Blade6119]

dola, if you need reasons for any of those 3 i can give them

[Blade6119]

triple dola
the above post should have been double dola lol

[Blade6119]

QUAD DOLA

Im beginning to think this will be the game old blade will come back...i have absolutely no reads(only had mr. w) and am literally pulling at straws...dont take what i say to heart, i have no idea whos what, where, or why

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, reads a little like my trust list.

The "triple dola" post made me chuckle.

I know it is only Day 2 but I can't remember a game where I felt like I had less direction after 400+ posts than this one.

Mild trust (just to separate a little bit) - Blade, Raiders

Mainly because they are putting a little bit of heat on me for what should certainly look like a questionable Day 1. I have the luxury of knowing I'm a survivor, but I certainly understand that the other survivors do not.

[Celeval]

I'm posting just to bring Blade back to his senses before he hits 5k posts.

:-D

[Blade6119]

Hmm, reads a little like my trust list.

The "triple dola" post made me chuckle.

I know it is only Day 2 but I can't remember a game where I felt like I had less direction after 400+ posts than this one.

Mild trust (just to separate a little bit) - Blade, Raiders

Mainly because they are putting a little bit of heat on me for what should certainly look like a questionable Day 1. I have the luxury of knowing I'm a survivor, but I certainly understand that the other survivors do not.
Raiders is far from the top of my trust list...alan taught me last game that sometimes the people who seem most trustworty are trying to be. Wolves have the luxury of knowing who to accuse to look smart(or defend). Raiders is up there with you. I might end up voting random today...honestly

[hoopsguy]

Blade, since you brought up Alan T - how does his game this time feel to you compared to last game?

[hoopsguy]

For those who didn't read WW 21, Alan T was a wolf. Part of how he played was to try to loosely couple Blade's thoughts in order to gain his trust. Broad summary, but that is what I'm asking about in the above post.

[Blade6119]

Blade, since you brought up Alan T - how does his game this time feel to you compared to last game?
It seems to me hes has not played as well(that means sharing my views LOL)....which taking last game into effect prob. means he is good... :D

[Blade6119]

Sure. In no particular order...well, it's particular to me, but not to anyone else, and certainly officialish:

Mr. Wednesday -- Hoopsguy, Alan T, bearcat729, spleen1015, kingfc22, desmond, desnudo, mckerney

kingfc22 -- blade6119, Raiders Army, Mr. Wednesday, Pennywisesb

Alan T -- Saldana, Celeval

Blade6119 -- Schmidty, Swaggs

Grammaticus -- Sndvls

Desmond -- Grammaticus

RPI -- Kwhit
Alan voted wednesday...which i dont like...knowing his play style that makes me want to trust him...penny and raiders pique my interest with their king votes...id imagine one wolf on w, one on king, one on one of the others, and one other somewhere random...so since w was good, i know im good, raiders and penny catch my interest.

Sun and desmond would seem good, as i cant imagine the wolves killing someone soo linked soo early. Leaving schmidty swaggs and kwhit, of which i think 1 is a wolf...thats good odds to me

[Blade6119]

DOLA, thats assuming king is innocent...if hes not its an entirely different story, mostly putting it on you and mckerney

[hoopsguy]

I got zero response on this yesterday (Post #434):

OK, time to think like a "wolf" - what do you do if you see an early bandwagon forming on a survivor?
1.) You are excited to be getting a free pass on Day 1.
2.) You make sure that the wolves spread out their votes - if possible, on completely different people but if it is a two-horse race then don't draw attention
3.) For those not voting for the lynchee, put something out there that can be re-read later as supporting his cause.
Is this how people would expect a wolf to play? #1 - duh. #2 - where do you think the "others" put their votes. #3 - am I overthinking here, or does this make a lot of sense?

[hoopsguy]

Looks like we were headed down similar paths - voting records.

As I had indicated earlier, I have a small measure of trust right now in you and Raiders. So that leaves Pennywise on your list that voted for King. And he was very low profile on Day 1. Even before looking at the King votes I had him on the "less trusted" end of the scale out of the 18 guys I'm evaluating (I'm taking myself out of that list as well as the dead).

[hoopsguy]

The Pennywise vote came a little over two hours before the deadline and created a tie between Mr. W and King (using Post #403 by Alan T as a reference).

That is when I moved my vote from King to Mr. W - I didn't like that the vote had swung from 4-1 to 5-5 in the space of 50 posts.

Had I been around for the deadline I don't think I would have left my vote on Mr. W when two more people came in behind me. I wanted to create a run-off that would force the "others" to save their guy, but I now think we had a two survivor race. I guess I like thinking that better than the alternative, which is that I strongly aided and abetted an other in avoiding a Day 1 lynch before they had to commit themselves to saving him.

[hoopsguy]

Will be back to discuss this stuff mid-afternoon; have to go to work for a few hours.