Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[kingfc22]

I think this is correct:

King (4) - desmond, kwhit, RA, packer
Saldana (2) - swaggs, path
RA (1) - saldana
Packer (1) - king

[Raiders Army]

UNVOTE KINGFC22
VOTE PACKER

[Raiders Army]

Makes sense to me as well Penny.

[Raiders Army]

Survivor's on. And then Earl and Office. Good luck.

[Celeval]

something about Celeval doesn't sit right with me as I relook at voting paterns.Any reasons why? Or, for that matter, any ideas for tonight? ;)

My trust list at this point looks like this:

Trusted:
SnDvls
Celeval

Mostly Trusted:
Kwhit
penny
spleen

So-so:
Desmond

Not so much:
Packer

No real read:
Swaggs
RA
tanglewood
Schmidty
Saldana
King
Bearcat

If Blade shows back up, he's dead. Period. But I don't think he is - I think "disappeared" is just because as the security system, he wouldn't have a body.

[saldana]

ok, since everyone seems to trust him, maybe this will earn me a little bit of slack

unvote raiders

[SnDvls]

Sun, do you have any analysis of the Packer situation? Do you think he slipped up, or did he just make a noob mistake?


I think packer is good. as I posted earlier I'm 80-90% sure he's good. it's based on his posts only as he only voted once, but I really think he's good. He started the whole "WALT!" thing the moment he got on here. I think he is hiding something though and he's not just a simple survivor. Once he came out with the walt thing and I knew I was sawyer and that Mr. W was charlie I'm pretty sure he's on the up and up.

[SnDvls]

it's dinner time so I'll post more thoughts in a bit

[SnDvls]

Survivor's on. And then Earl and Office. Good luck.


don't hold your breath on Earl & the office with the olympics on. :D

edit to correct spelling

[Desmond]

Im not sure I like this Raiders/King combo.

[pennywisesb]

Updated:
King (3) - desmond, kwhit, packer
Saldana (2) - swaggs, path
RA (1) - saldana
Packer (2) - king, RA

[Celeval]

Well, I'll say this much - the various times I've jumped out with "Walt!", it had nothing to do with being Michael... I can safely say I'm not Michael.

I'm so-so on him right now. Not enough to just pull him out, though - there's something off there, but I don't know if it's significant of him being an Other or not.

[pennywisesb]

Im not sure I like this Raiders/King combo.

I don't like RA agreeing with me.

[pennywisesb]

Im not sure I like this Raiders/King combo.

For this same reason, I'm going to Vote Kingfc22 afterall. RA and him are both on my suspicion list and I wonder if its just coincidence they are both going after Packer right now. Plus, SnDvls, who's at the top of my list seems to think there may be some information that Packer is actually just a villager, so I'll hold off on him for now.

Trusted: SnDvls, Pennywisesb, Spleen, KWit

Kinda Trusted: Schmidty

Distrusted: RA, Kingfc, Packerfanatic

No real read: Swaggs, Saldana, Bearcat, Celeval

[pennywisesb]

edit: add Desmond to the "no real read" category as well

[Desmond]

For this same reason, I'm going to Vote Kingfc22 afterall. RA and him are both on my suspicion list and I wonder if its just coincidence they are both going after Packer right now. Plus, SnDvls, who's at the top of my list seems to think there may be some information that Packer is actually just a villager, so I'll hold off on him for now.

Trusted: SnDvls, Pennywisesb, Spleen, KWit

Kinda Trusted: Schmidty

Distrusted: RA, Kingfc, Packerfanatic

No real read: Swaggs, Saldana, Bearcat, Celeval

I am still in the game ya know. :)

[Desmond]

edit: add Desmond to the "no real read" category as well

Well ok then. lol.

[Schmidty]

I don't really see a good reason to vote for king at this point, but it looks like a forgone conclusion. I don't want to appear to jumping on the vote at the last second, so I'll go with a guy that has really acted wierd, but had no good explaination:

Vote Packer[/I]

[SnDvls]

going back to the one that I think helps us the most
vote King

[SnDvls]

Saldana your choice will not only help you, but determine where I go tomorrow, depending on tonghts outcome

[SnDvls]

IF king turns out good we have to go after Raiders and or Saldana. They will be the only two left that I didn't feel good about that voted for Mckerney.

[hoopsguy]

Just an FYI - I had offered to help AE with the night actions tonight but have not received a PM from him. Is someone else doing this? Just hoping that things can stay on track ...

[hoopsguy]

Er, by night actions I mean posting the results from the lynch ...

[Celeval]

IF king turns out good we have to go after Raiders and or Saldana. They will be the only two left that I didn't feel good about that voted for Mckerney.Where does that leave us if King is an Other?

[hoopsguy]

Also, Alan had asked earlier if anyone else had started watching the show from this. I'm somewhere around Episode 20 of Season 1 now and expect to finish it tonight.

Look for me to join the Lost episode threads for Season 3 after devouring the Season 2 stuff this summer when it hits video.

[Bearcat729]

I'm going to go against my gut feeling and Vote KingFC22. I think Packer has acted strange today, but Sun has made a case against King that I am willing to follow this time.

[saldana]

Saldana your choice will not only help you, but determine where I go tomorrow, depending on tonghts outcome

is this what you are looking for

vote king

[PackerFanatic]

Damn, I guess I was wrong about coming out and not being the quiet one, I would have been safter just shutting my mouth. I am not making any n00b mistakes, I am clearly stating right here and now: I am Michael, I have no special powers. If I learn anything new while I am alive (which doesn't look to be too longer) I will pass it along to help my cause.

[pennywisesb]

Damn, I guess I was wrong about coming out and not being the quiet one, I would have been safter just shutting my mouth. I am not making any n00b mistakes, I am clearly stating right here and now: I am Michael, I have no special powers. If I learn anything new while I am alive (which doesn't look to be too longer) I will pass it along to help my cause.

I think the thing that stood out most to myself and Schmidty, was when you mentioned you never watched the show but were using terms from the show. I figured you were trying to cover an earlier mistake and didn't really think through what you had said. I think your explanation was alittle weak as well with your girlfriend thinking it'd be "funny" if you used the phrases...

[SnDvls]

is this what you are looking for

vote king


it sure helps.

[Celeval]

I'm not sold on this, but I'm willing to follow Sawyer's lead... I owe him that much.

But after this, you follow my lead, got it? You do what I tell you. When I say, "move" you move. When I say "stop" you stop. When I say "jump", what do you say?

[Celeval]

Vote King

[kingfc22]

Ok, I was trying to lay low and I thought I had the vote off of me today. However, it looks like you guys are going to lynch me and there goes your seer.

[Blade6119]

I'm not sold on this, but I'm willing to follow Sawyer's lead... I owe him that much.

But after this, you follow my lead, got it? You do what I tell you. When I say, "move" you move. When I say "stop" you stop. When I say "jump", what do you say?
Jump on it, Jump on it, Jump on it, Jump on it(catchy song...who sang that?) :confused:

[kingfc22]

So now you know my role and I don't know what else to say other than I hope you guys protect me tonight.

I viewed Blade (didn't get a read)
Hoops (survivor)
Was trying to view Desnudo before he died but I think my night action occurs last and he was already dead. :(

[saldana]

huh?

[Swaggs]

For this same reason, I'm going to Vote Kingfc22 afterall. RA and him are both on my suspicion list and I wonder if its just coincidence they are both going after Packer right now. Plus, SnDvls, who's at the top of my list seems to think there may be some information that Packer is actually just a villager, so I'll hold off on him for now.

Trusted: SnDvls, Pennywisesb, Spleen, KWit

Kinda Trusted: Schmidty

Distrusted: RA, Kingfc, Packerfanatic

No real read: Swaggs, Saldana, Bearcat, Celeval


I am curious as to what Schmidty has done to get on your Kinda Trusted list?

He has played a good game, but been pretty quiet and unassuming so far as I can tell.

[Celeval]

So now you know my role and I don't know what else to say other than I hope you guys protect me tonight.

I viewed Blade (didn't get a read)
Hoops (survivor)
Was trying to view Desnudo before he died but I think my night action occurs last and he was already dead. :(Hm.

[saldana]

not sure i buy that, and yes, i do have a reason

[saldana]

not sure i buy that, and yes, i do have a reason

this is referring to King's reveal

[kingfc22]

not sure i buy that, and yes, i do have a reasonWell, you can take that chance if you really want. I would view RA tonight if I was able to survive and that should clear things up from where we currently stand.

Most people know that when I play a villager with a key role, I tend to lay low and present my evidence at the latest possible moment.

[Swaggs]

So now you know my role and I don't know what else to say other than I hope you guys protect me tonight.

I viewed Blade (didn't get a read)
Hoops (survivor)
Was trying to view Desnudo before he died but I think my night action occurs last and he was already dead. :(

I don't know what, if any type of momentum this is going to create, but I do not think that PackerFanatic is an other and I hope the votes do not swing to him.

[Celeval]

Well, you can take that chance if you really want. I would view RA tonight if I was able to survive and that should clear things up from where we currently stand.

Most people know that when I play a villager with a key role, I tend to lay low and present my evidence at the latest possible moment.So who are you, then? I mean, in-game?

[kingfc22]

I don't know what, if any type of momentum this is going to create, but I do not think that PackerFanatic is an other and I hope the votes do not swing to him.Ok.


UNVOTE PACKERFANATIC
VOTE BEARCAT

I think he is just as suspicious and like I said I will view RA tonight to help clear things up.

[kingfc22]

So who are you, then? I mean, in-game?I am Walt.

[Swaggs]

So who are you, then? I mean, in-game?

Kate, as a tracker, would make sense.

I'm not sure that hoopsguy was a real good choice to view on day 2, though, so I don't have a real good feel on this news.

[Swaggs]

not sure i buy that, and yes, i do have a reason

Any chance of you sharing it before the deadline here?

[kingfc22]

Kate, as a tracker, would make sense.

I'm not sure that hoopsguy was a real good choice to view on day 2, though, so I don't have a real good feel on this news.
I'm always afraid of Hoops. He is too smart when it comes to WW games.

[Swaggs]

I am Walt.

Do you have any in-game relationship with PackerFanatic/Michael?

It would make sense that you two can communicate or, at least, vouch for one another.

[Celeval]

So now you know my role and I don't know what else to say other than I hope you guys protect me tonight.

I viewed Blade (didn't get a read)
Hoops (survivor)
Was trying to view Desnudo before he died but I think my night action occurs last and he was already dead. :(Hoops was killed in night 2 as well, though. Why the different result there and with Desnudo?

[hoopsguy]

[sniffs, wipes tear]

[Schmidty]

I am curious as to what Schmidty has done to get on your Kinda Trusted list?

He has played a good game, but been pretty quiet and unassuming so far as I can tell.

Swaggs, you have nothing to worry about me, and I am very confident that I have nothing to worry about you.

You've played a solid game, and seem to make "good" choices and comments, but aren't so vocal that you seem desperate.

Call it a hunch. I could possibly be wrong, but I don't think so.

[kingfc22]

Looks like I'm going into the pit and the remaining survivors will probably waste a lynch on RA or penny tomorrow. Obviously one of them is an other since I am a survivor and they voted for me on day 1. No way that we had no other vote for me. After tonight I can tell you exactly which one to target.

[kingfc22]

Hoops was killed in night 2 as well, though. Why the different result there and with Desnudo?I'm sure it has something to do with the black smoke.

[Swaggs]

King, can you verify Packers/Michael for us before you hit the pit?

[Blade6119]

[sniffs, wipes tear]
ONLY GIRLS CRY!! ARE YOU A GIRL??? MADAM??? :)

[saldana]

here is my reason for calling BS. by the end of day 2, there was already the "simple survivor" group all vouching for eacch other...why waste a view on hoops who had 3 other people keeping him at 100% trusted...the only way that would have made sense is if they were all others, which would have been a real ballsy play to expose would could have been the entire team

[Celeval]

Looks like I'm going into the pit and the remaining survivors will probably waste a lynch on RA or penny tomorrow. Obviously one of them is an other since I am a survivor and they voted for me on day 1. No way that we had no other vote for me. After tonight I can tell you exactly which one to target.No one else from the pit has made it out. I doubt you'll make it through the night.

[kingfc22]

King, can you verify Packers/Michael for us before you hit the pit?I can not. I don't have any PM rights with Packer.

[hoopsguy]

Hoopsbroad.

[Blade6119]

Hoopsbroad.
well, if you take barkeeps title it would be BlaBroad....I knew Blahoop didnt sound right...not enough blade in there...too much sissy hoops :p

[kingfc22]

No one else from the pit has made it out. I doubt you'll make it through the night.Beware the Polar Bear tonight.

[Swaggs]

Did everyone vote tonight?

[Swaggs]

Did everyone vote tonight?


Creeping myself out by answering my own question, but it looks like everyone but Spleen/his replacement voted.

[SnDvls]

king I don't buy it either. Blade was the black smoke, how would he effect your view on Hoops?

[SnDvls]

heh, I'm over 1000 posts!!! whoo hoo!!

[Schmidty]

heh, I'm over 1000 posts!!! whoo hoo!!

How many of those do you think came in WW threads? :)

[SnDvls]

How many of those do you think came in WW threads? :)


900 I'm sure :D

[SnDvls]

king - I should also say, why choose desnudo? we all knew Blade was going after him. Raiders Army would have been the better choice, but then again I think you're lying anyhow see you in the pit.

[PackerFanatic]

I have had no communication with king, this is actually the first time I am finding out he is Walt.

[saldana]

How many of those do you think came in WW threads? :)

i would still be a mascot if it werent for WW

[KWhit]

Just caught up. Very interesting. I hope King is lying.

[Celeval]

Just caught up. Very interesting. I hope King is lying.Agreed. If he is, nice time to bring it up... maybe just a bit late. If not, then still some odd choices for looking at hoops and desmond during the same nights they get bumped off. Both odd and unlucky, I suppose, since really we've gotten no bonus at all from him as seer in this case.

[path12]

Just caught up. Very interesting. I hope King is lying.

Me too. Very bad news if he's not.

[PackerFanatic]

So where's our lynch?

[KWhit]

I think he's lying. It just so happened that all 3 of the people he viewed were killed in the first 3 days? Those are some long odds, I would think.

He saw which way the tide was turning and tried to save himself. I wonder if the real seer is already dead? Could it have been Hurley or Charlie? Maybe the real seer just wasn't around at the time of the reveal - AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING NOW!!! We'll find out soon enough.

Of course, it's possible he's telling the truth and we just fucked up.

[KWhit]

Jeez that last post of mine was a rambling mess. Is that even readable? It's late and I'm tired.

[PackerFanatic]

*doesn't listen to the ramblings of KWhit*

[KWhit]

*doesn't listen to the ramblings of KWhit*
You should listen to it!!! (If it's readable that is...)

[PackerFanatic]

lol, I know I know...

[PackerFanatic]

Oh okay, I see where the lynch is, AE said he would be on the road.

[Schmidty]

I think he's lying. It just so happened that all 3 of the people he viewed were killed in the first 3 days? Those are some long odds, I would think.

I'm very confused.

Did king say he's the seer? I've looked through posts and haven't seen anything to indicate that, although I've been in and out so much, I'm sure I've missed a lot.

[Celeval]

I'm very confused.

Did king say he's the seer? I've looked through posts and haven't seen anything to indicate that, although I've been in and out so much, I'm sure I've missed a lot.#2033, #2035

[KWhit]

I'm very confused.

Did king say he's the seer? I've looked through posts and haven't seen anything to indicate that, although I've been in and out so much, I'm sure I've missed a lot.
Duh.


;)

[Celeval]

Of course, it's possible he's telling the truth and we just fucked up.Possible. But at the same time, we've not gotten any help from him at all at this point - nothing against king, but two of his clears were dead that night and the third was a no reading - and still surviving.

[Schmidty]

#2033, #2035

Thanks.

I really hope that's not the case, or we're fucked; however, why would he lie now that he's already dead (basically). :(

[Swaggs]

I am curious about a Walt-Michael two man team now.

It would make no sense that they would not know each other.

Walt makes sense as seer. I can see someone like Locke or Kate also being able to have the same powers, since they are supposedly good trackers, they could spy on people at night or something.

I suspect king was just grasping at straws. I hope.

[Poli]

Can I get a reliable vote count? I'm sorry, family issues and such have come up. I'll try to have the end of day within the hour.

Those with night actions, if you're sure you're not dieing, please go ahead and send those in.

Thanks.

[kingfc22]

Can I get a reliable vote count? I'm sorry, family issues and such have come up. I'll try to have the end of day within the hour.

Those with night actions, if you're sure you're not dieing, please go ahead and send those in.

Thanks.I got lynchedhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Swaggs]

Here is a recap of the votes (most recent at top):

kingfc22 votes Bearcat729
Celeval votes kingfc22
Saldana votes kingfc22 (unvotes Raiders Army)
Bearcat729 votes kingfc22
SnDvls votes kingfc22 (unvotes kingfc22)
Schmidty votes PackerFanatic
pennywiseb votes kingfc22 (unvotes kingfc22)
Raiders Army votes PackerFanatic (unvotes kingfc22)
path12 votes Saldana (unvote pennywiseb)
PackerFanatic votes kingfc22
Desmond votes kingfc22
Raiders Army votes kingfc22 (unvote pennywiseb)
kingfc22 votes PackerFanatic
pennywiseb votes kingfc22
SnDvls votes kingfc22 (unvotes Saldana)
Swaggs votes Saldana
Kwhit votes kingfc22
Raiders Army votes pennywiseb
path12 votes pennywiseb
Saldana votes Raiders Army
SnDvls votes Saldana


I will tally in a minute.

[Poli]

The journey down the beach is not enjoyable at all. Packer continues to cry for Walt, while it appears kingfc22 says he is Walt.

Could a man not know his own son?

The family fight eventually leads most to believe Packerfanatic. After all, he should know his own son, right?

As the survivors settle in for the night, a vote is taken on who to believe, and most vote to believe Packerfanatic. Two of you go to tie kingfc22, but he tries to escape to the jungle. He trips in the sand and falls face first.

"We'll kill you all!" king screams. "We'll kill you all!"

By this time a few of you have caught him, and Packerfanatic goes nuts.

"WALT!! YOU TOOK MY BOY! WHERE IS HE?" He asks each question with a blow to king's head. King's head is a bloody pulp when Packer is done, and it's not pretty. Kingfc22 has died. A list similar to that of Alan T's is found in his pocket. Kingfc22 was one of the Others.

End of day 4. Begin night 4.

[Swaggs]

Total:
kingfc22: 8
PackerFanatic: 2
saldana: 2
Bearcat729: 1
no vote: 1


Signed up:
1. Kwhit - kingfc22 (1)
2. Desnudo died attacking the security system, night 3.
3. Alan T lynched, day 3.
4. mckerney lynched, day 2.
5. Swaggs saldana (1)
6. Grammaticus died at the hands of The Others, night 1.
7. spleen1015 N/V-withdrew
8. Raiders Army - PackerFanatic (1)
9. tanglewood/Path12 - saldana (2)
10. Schmidty - PackerFanatic (2)
11. Desmond - kingfc22 (2)
12. hoopsguy died at the hands of The Others, night 2.
13. Blade6119, disappeared, night 3.
14. Sndvls - kingfc22 (3)
15. Mr. Wednesday lynched, day 1.
16. saldana - kingfc22 (4)
17. pennywisesb - kingfc22 (5)
18. RPI-Fan/PackerFanatic - kingfc22 (6)
19. Celeval - kingfc22 (7)
20. kingfc22 - Bearcat729 (1)
21. bearcat729 - kingfc22 (8)

[Swaggs]

Guess I was a little late. :)

[Schmidty]

wtf?

[Schmidty]

Wierd but good.

[Swaggs]

Definitely very good.

We have to excellent numbers in our favor now. Hopefully some of our skill guys can get some good clues for us during the night.

[pennywisesb]

Beautiful. Good job everyone who voted King and left their votes on him.

[pennywisesb]

Total:
kingfc22: 8
PackerFanatic: 2
saldana: 2
Bearcat729: 1
no vote: 1


Signed up:
1. Kwhit - kingfc22 (1)
2. Desnudo died attacking the security system, night 3.
3. Alan T lynched, day 3.
4. mckerney lynched, day 2.
5. Swaggs saldana (1)
6. Grammaticus died at the hands of The Others, night 1.
7. spleen1015 N/V-withdrew
8. Raiders Army - PackerFanatic (1)
9. tanglewood/Path12 - saldana (2)
10. Schmidty - PackerFanatic (2)
11. Desmond - kingfc22 (2)
12. hoopsguy died at the hands of The Others, night 2.
13. Blade6119, disappeared, night 3.
14. Sndvls - kingfc22 (3)
15. Mr. Wednesday lynched, day 1.
16. saldana - kingfc22 (4)
17. pennywisesb - kingfc22 (5)
18. RPI-Fan/PackerFanatic - kingfc22 (6)
19. Celeval - kingfc22 (7)
20. kingfc22 - Bearcat729 (1)
21. bearcat729 - kingfc22 (8)

So Swaggs, Path12, RA, and Schmidty all did not vote for Kingfc22. Note: RA voted for him at first and then changed his vote to Packerfanatic.

[Desmond]

Just from that list above and what happened today, id say im leaning towards RA being the another other.

[pennywisesb]

I am curious as to what Schmidty has done to get on your Kinda Trusted list?


I liked his analysis of Packerfanatic today when he (packer) was looking pretty suspicious. But now, after the lynch result, it looks as though packer is a survivor, and so Schmidty just got demoted to my "no read" section.

[pennywisesb]

Just from that list above and what happened today, id say im leaning towards RA being the another other.

Yep, me too.

[Swaggs]

I honestly do not have a great feel on anyone left being an other.

I thought some of saldana's actions were a little suspicious early in the game, but don't really have any substantial to point to.

Celeval and Bearcat are two players that I have no good grasp on at this point and they both made late votes for kingfc22 after it was apparent that he was a goner.

[Poli]

The night goes remarkably quiet. Everyone is certain this is because the camp has been moved. Sleep comes easier tonight than it has the past few days.

The next morning, when the your group decides it's time to shove off, is when you find Sndvl's body. Another victim of the snapped neck. Looking through Sndvl's possessions, which are many, you find a letter written to a Mr. Sawyer, though it appears relatively old and worn.

End Night 4. Begin Day 5.

[Poli]

We're also in need of one more player to replace Spleen. I'll be on the road for much of the day. If anyone could get on the recruiting trail, I'd appreciate it.

[Raiders Army]

Well that's extremely bad with SnDvls. I guess it's balanced by kingfc's lynch. I knew I should've left my vote on kingfc, but had to roll quickly to get the kids in the shower.

[Celeval]

Well that's extremely bad with SnDvls. I guess it's balanced by kingfc's lynch. I knew I should've left my vote on kingfc, but had to roll quickly to get the kids in the shower.Yes in terms of we lost a confirmed survivor.

No in terms of we lost a special who had already used his power - so granted, it was Sawyer (shoulda left him behind in the first place), but we don't lose someone special this time. With two Others down, I'd trade two non-special survivors for one if we had to.

So where does that leave us?

I think Packer takes a step into my more trusted list. If he had posted that King wasn't Walt earlier, pre-deadline, he'd be just about all the way; but he didn't until after King was already lynched. Still, if Packer was an Other, King could have vouched for him as Michael once revealing as Walt and counted on full support when Pack got back... if there was a claimed direct connection between the two pre-vote, it would have been harder for me to keep my vote on Packer. I think he's clear, although I still think there might be something else there given the role/name combinations we know about.

Raiders, Penny, and Sn both un-voted King at about the time the bandwagon started moving. Penny and Sn both re-voted King. Raiders didn't - but wasn't around to re-vote.

Who else do we have on the radar?

[Celeval]

Yes in terms of we lost a confirmed survivor.

No in terms of we lost a special who had already used his power - so granted, it was Sawyer (shoulda left him behind in the first place), but we don't lose someone special this time. With two Others down, I'd trade two non-special survivors for one if we had to.

So where does that leave us?

I think Packer takes a step into my more trusted list. If he had posted that King wasn't Walt earlier, pre-deadline, he'd be just about all the way; but he didn't until after King was already lynched. Still, if Packer was an Other, King could have vouched for him as Michael once revealing as Walt and counted on full support when Pack got back... if there was a claimed direct connection between the two pre-vote, it would have been harder for me to keep my vote on Packer. I think he's clear, although I still think there might be something else there given the role/name combinations we know about.

Raiders, Penny, and Sn both un-voted King at about the time the bandwagon started moving. Penny and Sn both re-voted King. Raiders didn't - but wasn't around to re-vote.

Who else do we have on the radar?Rather, leave my vote on King, I didn't vote for Packer. I'm in a rush, so sue me. :)

[KWhit]

Yes! Glad we got a baddie!

I'm not sure where I'm leaning yet for today. Gonna need to look at the silent types today I think.

[SnDvls]

DAMN! good luck you guys

[pennywisesb]

Why would they take out SnDvls knowing he had already used his power? That doesn't make alot of sense to me unless SnDvls was onto something. I'm gonna take a look at some of his posts and see if he mentioned any suspicions.....

[path12]

DAMN! good luck you guys

Sun, you did very well. Thanks for your help.

Where to go now? I'm still unsure of Bearcat, Celeval and Saldana....

[pennywisesb]

Path, what are your feelings on RA?

[path12]

Why would they take out SnDvls knowing he had already used his power? That doesn't make alot of sense to me unless SnDvls was onto something. I'm gonna take a look at some of his posts and see if he mentioned any suspicions.....

Well, we all trusted Sun 100% and had asked him for advice during the last day so it may be a matter of the others trying to take out an experienced (and certain) survivor.

Though you would think they might look elsewhere and try and find the seer.

[KWhit]

Why would they take out SnDvls knowing he had already used his power? That doesn't make alot of sense to me unless SnDvls was onto something. I'm gonna take a look at some of his posts and see if he mentioned any suspicions.....
They took him out because he was a 100% for sure confirmed survivor. Any time they can take out a confirmed it helps them because it increases the odds that we will lynch a survivor instead of an Other. There is a trade off because they lynched someone who doesn't have any special power left, but there is definitely a reason for getting rid of him.

[path12]

Path, what are your feelings on RA?

I'm not sure -- it seems like there was something that happened before I joined the game to cause suspicion, but I haven't had a chance to really go back and examine it.

I did find his quick jumping yesterday a bit odd. I'll try and go back and take a closer look today.

[saldana]

They took him out because he was a 100% for sure confirmed survivor. Any time they can take out a confirmed it helps them because it increases the odds that we will lynch a survivor instead of an Other. There is a trade off because they lynched someone who doesn't have any special power left, but there is definitely a reason for getting rid of him.

these are my thoughts exactly. we have to figure three are down (alan, king, desnudo), so odds are there is only one left, so perhaps he didnt go after the seer because he is a cunning wolf and isnt worried about the seer? just a thought.

also, for Path and others that have said i have been too quiet this game, i wanted to wait until after the night was over to say this, but have you noticed that the guys with 2000 posts this game are also the ones that are getting their necks broken? this has been the pattern for the past 3 games, and i would like to be alive when we win this one, hence i have sat back a bit more trying to anaylize things until i actually have something to say..

[path12]

these are my thoughts exactly. we have to figure three are down (alan, king, desnudo), so odds are there is only one left, so perhaps he didnt go after the seer because he is a cunning wolf and isnt worried about the seer? just a thought.

also, for Path and others that have said i have been too quiet this game, i wanted to wait until after the night was over to say this, but have you noticed that the guys with 2000 posts this game are also the ones that are getting their necks broken? this has been the pattern for the past 3 games, and i would like to be alive when we win this one, hence i have sat back a bit more trying to anaylize things until i actually have something to say..

To be fair, I said that you were quieter than normal, not too quiet. I'm not really the person to be throwing around the 'too quiet' label.... ;)

[saldana]

To be fair, I said that you were quieter than normal, not too quiet. I'm not really the person to be throwing around the 'too quiet' label.... ;)

ok, fair enough...hopefully the fact that i a) voted king, and b) was the first to call BS on his seer reveal will help me ascend on all your trust lists.

[saldana]

dola, my vote for the day is definitely goint to be from the group that voted packerfan, as he is basically cleared by the fact that he beat the shit out of king...i was going to vote RA, but have changed my mind about him so instead will

vote Schmidty

[pennywisesb]

dola, my vote for the day is definitely goint to be from the group that voted packerfan, as he is basically cleared by the fact that he beat the shit out of king...i was going to vote RA, but have changed my mind about him so instead will


I'm starting to feel the same way about RA. I've been suspicious of him all game, but King said something in post #2041 which brought attention to RA and I'm not sure the others would have done that. Especially since there is most likely only one left.

Celeval and Saldana were also both on my suspicion meter yesterday, but in post #2038 (celeval) and #2039 (Saldana) both were the first to cast doubt on Kings "role reveal". I don't think the others would have done that.

So, here is my trust/distrust list as of right now:

Trusted: KWit, Spleen (or whoever takes his spot), PackerFanatic
Mostly Trusted: Saldana, Celeval, RA, Desmond
Distrusted/no read: Swaggs, Schmidty, Bearcat, Path

[pennywisesb]

One of those four are going to get my vote today.

[path12]

Trusted: KWit, Spleen (or whoever takes his spot), PackerFanatic
Mostly Trusted: Saldana, Celeval, RA, Desmond
Distrusted/no read: Swaggs, Schmidty, Bearcat, Path

Mind if I ask what I did to get on the distrust/no read list? I thought I explained my vote for Saldana, and agree that his trust level has risen after the last vote....

[Celeval]

At this point, it seems that no-one has much trust for bearcat... accurate?

Is this basically just because he's been so quiet?

[pennywisesb]

At this point, it seems that no-one has much trust for bearcat... accurate?

Is this basically just because he's been so quiet?

Yes. I'm going to go back and analyize his voting pattern right now, but as of right now he's just been so quiet its hard to get a read on him.

[saldana]

At this point, it seems that no-one has much trust for bearcat... accurate?

Is this basically just because he's been so quiet?


i think he has been so quiet that he has exceeded even the "fly below the radar" level of quietness. it would be hard even for a wolf to exist at his level of involvement (no offense intended, play your own game)

[pennywisesb]

Mind if I ask what I did to get on the distrust/no read list? I thought I explained my vote for Saldana, and agree that his trust level has risen after the last vote....

You've been fairly quiet and have kinda been going with the flow alittle bit.

[saldana]

ping: Blade, have you read the Ping:trolls thread?

[path12]

You've been fairly quiet and have kinda been going with the flow alittle bit.

I'm not blade, that's for sure.....notice my join date and total posts (at least 2/3 of which are WW!)

[pennywisesb]

Ok, I went back and looked at Bearcat. I think he's clean. His voting pattern is very suspicious (voting SnDvls and Blade) but he also voted for Kingfc in the last vote. I think the other two might have just been honest mistakes. The reason I think he's clean is because in post #s 1174 and 1191 Kingfc seems to be trying to bring suspicion on him for his votes. I don't think one other would do this to another other. Especially at that point because Bearcats vote was pretty late and any vote he made probably would have been analyzed pretty closely.

[path12]

At this point, it seems that no-one has much trust for bearcat... accurate?

Is this basically just because he's been so quiet?

It's partly just a gut thing with me. He's voted Mr W, Blade and Sun -- three good guys (well, blade is a maybe). Late vote yesterday for king after it was pretty clear could be seen as a pile on. I also noticed that though he didn't post much yesterday, he was in the thread a ton.

Hell, why not:

VOTE BEARCAT

[path12]

Ok, I went back and looked at Bearcat. I think he's clean. His voting pattern is very suspicious (voting SnDvls and Blade) but he also voted for Kingfc in the last vote. I think the other two might have just been honest mistakes. The reason I think he's clean is because in post #s 1174 and 1191 Kingfc seems to be trying to bring suspicion on him for his votes. I don't think one other would do this to another other. Especially at that point because Bearcats vote was pretty late and any vote he made probably would have been analyzed pretty closely.

Damnit, right after I vote. I'll go back and check those posts you noted, but in my mind the late vote for King doesn't prove anything.

[KWhit]

Has anybody kept a vote breakdown for all the players?

[path12]

OK, I went back to those posts you mentioned and I'm not coming to the same conclusion.

Bearcat votes late for Blade.

King, post #1174: Interesting choice.

Considering that Saldana follows up in post #1175 calling out the vote also as a throwaway, King just noting it falls more in the category of trying to fit in as a survivor more than anything else.

King, post #1191: Tells Bearcat he has a chance to be a hero and asks about his feelings about Desnudo and Mckerney.

Again, that doesn't look like so much as trying to put suspicion on Bearcat as much as trying to play the survivor role. And Des and Mckerney were both good, weren't they?

[path12]

Has anybody kept a vote breakdown for all the players?

I've been going back to Desnudo's chart on page 38, but nothing past that.

[pennywisesb]

OK, I went back to those posts you mentioned and I'm not coming to the same conclusion.

Bearcat votes late for Blade.

King, post #1174: Interesting choice.

Considering that Saldana follows up in post #1175 calling out the vote also as a throwaway, King just noting it falls more in the category of trying to fit in as a survivor more than anything else.

King, post #1191: Tells Bearcat he has a chance to be a hero and asks about his feelings about Desnudo and Mckerney.

Again, that doesn't look like so much as trying to put suspicion on Bearcat as much as trying to play the survivor role. And Des and Mckerney were both good, weren't they?

I'll take that into consideration. King is pretty good at trying to fit in as a survivor, but the fact that he was the first to come out and put pressure on Bearcat in that situation is making me think Bearcat is probably good.

[Schmidty]

dola, my vote for the day is definitely goint to be from the group that voted packerfan, as he is basically cleared by the fact that he beat the shit out of king...i was going to vote RA, but have changed my mind about him so instead will

vote Schmidty

Is this a random vote on a person who didn't vote for king? I'd just like to hear your reasoning.

[PackerFanatic]

I don't like RA's jumping of the vote at the last second last night. Glad we got the right guy though.

I won't be around much today, but I will try and get a vote in later (don't want to do one now and regret it)

[Schmidty]

It's partly just a gut thing with me. He's voted Mr W, Blade and Sun -- three good guys (well, blade is a maybe). Late vote yesterday for king after it was pretty clear could be seen as a pile on. I also noticed that though he didn't post much yesterday, he was in the thread a ton.

Hell, why not:

VOTE BEARCAT

I agree that that looks bad, and is theexact reason that I didn't yesterday to king (as I explained previously). I was damned if I did and damned if I didn't.

[pennywisesb]

In post #2090, Swaggs tallies the votes. King comes out and votes Bearcat, while Bearcat in turn votes for King. King later takes his vote off of Bearcat. I don't think two others would do this.

[saldana]

there were only three that voted for packer (who we know is good), king, who is dead; raiders, who i trust more than anyone right now; and you. process of elimination...not set in stone though, as i am also inclinded to vote for either of the 2 people that voted for me.

[pennywisesb]

there were only three that voted for packer (who we know is good), king, who is dead; raiders, who i trust more than anyone right now; and you. process of elimination...not set in stone though, as i am also inclinded to vote for either of the 2 people that voted for me.
I'm sorry Schmidty, but I'm tending to agree with this as well.

[Schmidty]

there were only three that voted for packer (who we know is good), king, who is dead; raiders, who i trust more than anyone right now; and you. process of elimination...not set in stone though, as i am also inclinded to vote for either of the 2 people that voted for me.

Just make sure that you choose very carefully.

[pennywisesb]

I've got so little to go on. I've really noticed a difference coming in late, plus the hidden roles.

The most suspicious to me are Bearcat, Celeval and Saldana, based almost solely on voting patterns (though with only two real votes, one if you discount day 1, it's not real clear). My gut says Schmidty is all right, and I don't know what to think about Raiders and King.

Post 1996. Path, did anything come out and strike you to feel that Schmidty is all right? Just wondering because I'm leaning towards him today.

[Swaggs]

Reading things over, I still do not have any good suspects for tonight.

I am going to be in and out today, so I will try to keep up. As of right now, I am probably going to vote in the block of people of trust (KWhit, penny, whoever replaces spleen, and now PackerFanatic).

[path12]

Post 1996. Path, did anything come out and strike you to feel that Schmidty is all right? Just wondering because I'm leaning towards him today.

Nothing specific, his postings yesterday just sounded like a survivor for some reason. And Packer was acting weird yesterday. Obviously now we know he's good, but there was real reason for doubting before the results.

[path12]

Dola, I'm not looking for anyone to role reveal, more just curious about something. If we are really down to one/maybe two others left, does it seem weird to anyone else that we've heard nothing from a seer yet? How far into the game as a general rule does it become worth the risk of exposure to clear some of the remaining survivors?

[KWhit]

Dola, I'm not looking for anyone to role reveal, more just curious about something. If we are really down to one/maybe two others left, does it seem weird to anyone else that we've heard nothing from a seer yet? How far into the game as a general rule does it become worth the risk of exposure to clear some of the remaining survivors?
That's why I speculated earlier that perhaps Charlie or Hurley was the seer and was killed before they got a chance to reveal any info. It doesn't make great sense as far as the show is concerned, but it's possible.

[pennywisesb]

That's why I speculated earlier that perhaps Charlie or Hurley was the seer and was killed before they got a chance to reveal any info. It doesn't make great sense as far as the show is concerned, but it's possible.

I'm agreeing with KWit here, I don't think the seer is still around.

[PackerFanatic]

Just in case I don't get a chance to be around tonight...

VOTE bearcat

[path12]

That's why I speculated earlier that perhaps Charlie or Hurley was the seer and was killed before they got a chance to reveal any info. It doesn't make great sense as far as the show is concerned, but it's possible.

OK. I guess Hurley would make more sense to me with the list of passengers he put together. That sucks if we lost him that early. :(

[Schmidty]

I'm agreeing with KWit here, I don't think the seer is still around.

If the Seer were still around, why would he reveal himself unless there were a good reason based on his info or game status? All it would do is get him killed at night.

Why would you guys be trying to draw him out? I can think of a reason.......

[pennywisesb]

If the Seer were still around, why would he reveal himself unless there were a good reason based on his info or game status? All it would do is get him killed at night.

Why would you guys be trying to draw him out? I can think of a reason.......

And what is that Schmidty, that me and KWit, two of the more trusted people left in this game are others? :rolleyes:

And you trying to bring suspicion against us does not help your case.

Vote Schmidty

I don't think Path or Bearcat are others, so that leaves you and Swaggs and Swaggs isn't trying to accuse me of BS arguments. All I stated was that I didn't think the seer is left. There'd be not point for the seer to come out today unless they got a read on someone.

[Schmidty]

And what is that Schmidty, that me and KWit, two of the more trusted people left in this game are others? :rolleyes:

And you trying to bring suspicion against us does not help your case.

Vote Schmidty

I don't think Path or Bearcat are others, so that leaves you and Swaggs and Swaggs isn't trying to accuse me of BS arguments. All I stated was that I didn't think the seer is left. There'd be not point for the seer to come out today unless they got a read on someone.

You are either making a monumental mistake, or you are doing exactly what you and you're cohorts want to do. Either way, we survivors lose by voting for me.

[Schmidty]

Dola.

I am really starting to wonder about pennywise and a couple of others. Either they are bad and trying to get a free kill, or they are survivors unwittingly killing one of their kind (me).

You and saldana REALLY need to think this through VERY carefully. Trust me.

[pennywisesb]

Dola.

I am really starting to wonder about pennywise and a couple of others. Either they are bad and trying to get a free kill, or they are survivors unwittingly killing one of their kind (me).

You and saldana REALLY need to think this through VERY carefully. Trust me.

Trust you because......? I can't figure out a reason to trust you other than your word. Why would it be a monumental mistake? Anyone can say what you just said, but without proof, I'm not switching my vote.

[pennywisesb]

You're also barking up the wrong tree trying to accuse me. But you haven't believed the "simple" thing from the beginning of the game eventhough everyone else does. Fishy if you ask me.

[KWhit]

If the Seer were still around, why would he reveal himself unless there were a good reason based on his info or game status? All it would do is get him killed at night.

Why would you guys be trying to draw him out? I can think of a reason.......
Who's trying to draw him out? Certainly not me. We were speculating due to the fact that no one spoke up when King said he was the seer.

[KWhit]

Anybody have Schmidty's vote history handy?

[Schmidty]

You're also barking up the wrong tree trying to accuse me. But you haven't believed the "simple" thing from the beginning of the game eventhough everyone else does. Fishy if you ask me.

All I'm saying is that if you (or anyone else) leads the charge to getting me lynched, not only will you be killing a survivor, you'll also be placing a target squarely on your head when I die.

As I've said, think VERY CAREFULLY before you vote for.

[pennywisesb]

KWit, as far as I can tell, Schmidty's vote history is: Blade, Desnudo, and Packerfanatic unless I missed an unvote somewhere. I'm pretty confident all are survivors, so this doesn't help his case in my book.

[pennywisesb]

All I'm saying is that if you (or anyone else) leads the charge to getting me lynched, not only will you be killing a survivor, you'll also be placing a target squarely on your head when I die.

As I've said, think VERY CAREFULLY before you vote for.

At this point I think you are an other, so I'm not really worried about it.

[pennywisesb]

KWit, as far as I can tell, Schmidty's vote history is: Blade, Desnudo, and Packerfanatic unless I missed an unvote somewhere. I'm pretty confident all are survivors, so this doesn't help his case in my book.
I guess Blade wouldn't be considered a survivor per say, so I meant confident all are NOT others.

[Schmidty]

At this point I think you are an other, so I'm not really worried about it.

You are so unbelievably wrong. For your sake, and for the other survivors, I hope I'm not lynched.

I'm done for now.

[pennywisesb]

You are so unbelievably wrong. For your sake, and for the other survivors, I hope I'm not lynched.

I'm done for now.

This might not be a bad time to give us a reason for not lynching you...

By the way, you are getting awfully defensive when you only have 2 votes on you at this time--the same amount that bearcat has.

[Schmidty]

I guess Blade wouldn't be considered a survivor per say, so I meant confident all are NOT others.

You can't consider Blade a bad vote, since it was the first day and there was nothing else to go on. Also, the Desnudo vote was a very good one. Even though some people think there's a chance that he wasn't an other, I am certain that he was. As far as the king vote, I explained why I didn't vote for him various times. If I had, it would have been a "late vote" and would have been scrutenized, so I really couldn't win.

I haven't checked on it, but I'd like to know your vote history. If I have time after lunch, I'll check on it.

[Schmidty]

By the way, you are getting awfully defensive when you only have 2 votes on you at this time--the same amount that bearcat has.

I'm ALWAYS defensive. Look it up. :D

[path12]

As I've said, think VERY CAREFULLY before you vote for.

This is the third or fourth time Schmidty has said to choose 'very carefully'.

What role could he be referring to? Brutal wolf? Bluff? Something else?

[KWhit]

Hmmm.... Something about him makes me think Schmidty might be okay. I think Bearcat is the better person to vote for of the two.

VOTE BEARCAT

[Schmidty]

Bearcat was in the thread earlier and didn't defend himself, which is odd. I do not want to make a mistake today, but I also have to look out for myself. Here is my vote for now:

VOTE BEARCAT

[KWhit]

Bearcat was in the thread earlier and didn't defend himself, which is odd. I do not want to make a mistake today, but I also have to look out for myself. Here is my vote for now.
Who would you vote for if you weren't in self-preservation mode?

[Celeval]

You can't consider Blade a bad vote, since it was the first day and there was nothing else to go on. Also, the Desnudo vote was a very good one. Even though some people think there's a chance that he wasn't an other, I am certain that he was.I agree on the first, and half-agree on the second. It's up in the air on Desnudo as to whether he was an other or not. I'm not going to say a vote for him was necessarily a good one - hell, I think I voted for him - but we can't really say it's a bad one either.

Why are you so sure?

[Schmidty]

Who would you vote for if you weren't in self-preservation mode?

Based on his hard push toward me without a whole lot to go on, it would probably be pennywise; however I am not sure about the majority of people here. I don't think the votes on Bearcat are bad, but they're risky since I'm not at all sure about him, other than the fact that he's been very quiet. I guess I'll also take a closer look at saldana and Raiders Army, since I don't really have a handle on them.

[KWhit]

I'm out for a while. I'll try to get back online this evening before lynch time.

[Raiders Army]

Hmmm.... Something about him makes me think Schmidty might be okay. I think Bearcat is the better person to vote for of the two.

VOTE BEARCAT
I agree. Sorry, but I've been out for most of today and I just got Star Wars: Empire at War. Gonna play that and then come back to the thread.

VOTE BEARCAT

[Schmidty]

Why are you so sure?

Why is anyone sure about anything? :)

I just think that the fact that in AE's description of people's reaction toward Desnudo was pretty definitive.

Some of the survivors remark they never remember Desnudo being on the plane at all. That said, a few of you contend that you did see him on the plane, and that he often talked about his home, which is more than could be said about Alan T.

The fact that "Some" of the survivors don't remember him being on the plane, and only a "few" do, sounds like the "few" that didn't would most likely be Others.

That, combined with other factors, makes it a good bet that he was an Other. Of course, I could be wrong, I suppose.

[Celeval]

The fact that "Some" of the survivors don't remember him being on the plane, and only a "few" do, sounds like the "few" that didn't would most likely be Others.

That, combined with other factors, makes it a good bet that he was an Other. Of course, I could be wrong, I suppose.
Makes sense. I'd love it if he was, since that means there'd be three down and likely only one to go.

Maybe one of the people working through the first season now can tell - was similar lines to that worked into the show at any point? One of the anonymous deaths - was he even on the plane? Yeah, he used to talk about ____? It seems familiar, but I can't place it.

[Swaggs]

I'm going to go with the larger consensus here. I'm hoping that one of them has picked up on something that I have not. I can still be swayed if something damning is revealed but for now, I will make my vote.

Vote Bearcat

[Celeval]

Placeholder vote - I'm heading for the airport, and will likely be on again before the vote, but just in case things conspire against me.

Vote Bearcat

I've got very little to go on here, good or bad. Choosing bearcat because it seems there is enough pressure right now to bring him out to defend - or if he doesn't, then finding out the hard way. I don't see how a vote from any of the others I'm unsure on will get a response.

Hopefully will be back soon.

[pennywisesb]

I haven't checked on it, but I'd like to know your vote history. If I have time after lunch, I'll check on it.
My vote history: Day 1 Kingfc
Day 2 Desnudo
Day 3 SnDvls
Day 4 Schmidty

The reason why I was going after you so hard today was to see if you could defend yourself with some evidence. So far its just your word that you're good is all your giving me. I'm not sure I like that.

[Schmidty]

So far its just your word that you're good is all your giving me. I'm not sure I like that.

Not true. Read through my post detailing my votes. That, along with other things I've said, should be sufficient.

If not, then vote for me. Doesn't seem like I can change your mind, so I'm not going to waste my time.

[Desmond]

Im still not sold on RA, but I'll go along with the group for the moment.

Vote Bearcat

[path12]

Has anyone noticed Bearcat in the thread today?

[pennywisesb]

Not true. Read through my post detailing my votes. That, along with other things I've said, should be sufficient.

If not, then vote for me. Doesn't seem like I can change your mind, so I'm not going to waste my time.

Thats fair. I guess we'll see tonight, especially if Bearcat is found out to be a survivor.

[Schmidty]

Has anyone noticed Bearcat in the thread today?

Yes. He was in the thread a few hours ago and said nothing.

[Poli]

It just realized it's Friday. Our deadline for today is 9pm CST, night action deadline is officially Monday, 9AM CST. If they're in early, I can process them early.

[path12]

I've got this for the latest count:

Bearcat: 8 -- Path(2130), Packer(2149), KWhit(2168), Schmidty(2169), Raiders(2174),
Swaggs(2177), Celeval(2178), Desmond(2181)

Schmidty: 2 -- Saldana(2119), Pennywisesb(2152)

[pennywisesb]

Well, we basically gave the other(s) a free day today with their votes by having this nice little bandwagon. They couldn't of planned it better....

[Schmidty]

Well, we basically gave the other(s) a free day today with their votes by having this nice little bandwagon. They couldn't of planned it better....

Explaination?

How in the hell could you be so sure? Are you the seer or something?

[pennywisesb]

Thats why its in parenthesis, I don't know for sure how many more there are, but I'm pretty sure they probably just threw votes onto Bearcat to "hide" with the rest of the survivors who voted for him. No I'm not the seer, I don't have a role that I know of.

[saldana]

schmidty, i just want to be clear that i would have done this about 60 posts ago if i were online...i am at work and this is my first chance to catch up.

unvote schmidty
vote bearcat

and i agree that anyone that doesnt do this is target #1 tommorow.

[path12]

I'm out of here in around 15 minutes and won't be back before the deadline (picking up a new puppy!).

Would have liked to see a little defense from Bearcat. Oh well, hope we're on the right track.

[pennywisesb]

schmidty, i just want to be clear that i would have done this about 60 posts ago if i were online...i am at work and this is my first chance to catch up.

unvote schmidty
vote bearcat

and i agree that anyone that doesnt do this is target #1 tommorow.

Well, I'm not voting Bearcat because I'm almost certain he'll be shown to be a survivor tonight for reasons I already stated. But I guess changing my vote is a must to not be "the #1 target" tomorrow.

unvote Schmidty

[Raiders Army]

I'm out of here in around 15 minutes and won't be back before the deadline (picking up a new puppy!).

Would have liked to see a little defense from Bearcat. Oh well, hope we're on the right track.
wait one sec before you head out...may have something...thinking.

[pennywisesb]

Do you know something Saldana about Schmidty that we should know? Why would anyone who didn't change their vote be the #1 target?

I guess it doesn't really matter who I vote for so it won't matter, Vote Path for no other reason than getting a vote in.

[path12]

wait one sec before you head out...may have something...thinking.

OK, I've still got 9 minutes. And I'm nervous about a unanimous vote even if I did start it.

[pennywisesb]

Come on RA, the waiting is killing me. New information would be greatly appreciated.

[Raiders Army]

you guys need to unvote bearcat. I think we're making a big mistake

[Raiders Army]

more coming

[pennywisesb]

you guys need to unvote bearcat. I think we're making a big mistake

Wow, exactly what I've been saying, whats your reasoning?

[Raiders Army]

Okay...I'm going to do a reveal, since I think we're making a mistake on bearcat.

In a nutshell, I am Sayid. I can communicate with one person each day. Day 1 I talked to Blade, Day 2, hoops. On day 3 I talked to spleen. I will leave out day 4 since I did not tell saldana whom I talked to that day. I talked to saldana today. My alarm bells are ringing right now with him.

I went over what I talked to Blade about on day 1, and if you're a vet, you should know that sometimes he's pretty accurate.

His take on everyone on day 1 when everyone checked in:

mckerney: no mention of survivor. Just checked in. We found out he had a special role.

Schmidty: just says I am here

bearcat: claimed to be a survivor...also seemed helpful

hoops: claimed to be a survivor

tanglewood: claims survivor

alant: just checks in

penny: claims survivor

kingfc: never claims survivor

kwhit: claims survivor

saldana: never mentions survivor

sndvls: never claims survivor (because he's not...he was the duke)

rpi: doesn't check in, just thanks sun for info

desnudo: also doesn't check in, just starts talking

grammaticus: claims survivor

swaggs: "I am here"

desmond: just starts talking

[Raiders Army]

anyone see a pattern here? alant and kingfc never claimed survivor since they weren't.

I just asked saldana how I could trust him and he said that he was a survivor. [i]He never said it when he checked in[i/]

I was very leery of contacting saldana today, but did so since like with hoops, the gain outweighs the pain. I think you guys know I'm telling the truth since that's how certain people were able to say that they trusted me. I really don't think bearcat is an other.

[Raiders Army]

I tink saldana is an other so that is why I'm coming forward right now with my role.

[Raiders Army]

Oh, and UNVOTE BEARCAT
VOTE SWAGGS

I'm pretty sure Swaggs is an other as well.

[path12]

I tink saldana is an other so that is why I'm coming forward right now with my role.

OK, I've gotta run. Raiders, I'm going to choose to believe you.

UNVOTE BEARCAT
VOTE SALDANA

I hope I'm not hanging myself here. Good luck to us all.

[Schmidty]

I tink saldana is an other so that is why I'm coming forward right now with my role.

I'd be with you, but I after reading what you wrote, I still don't understand how anything is definitive in your reasoning. Maybe I'm slow?

[path12]

Oh, and UNVOTE BEARCAT
VOTE SWAGGS

I'm pretty sure Swaggs is an other as well.

Well, wait a damn minute -- if you're sure about Saldana why are you voting Swaggs??

[Raiders Army]

Well, wait a damn minute -- if you're sure about Saldana why are you voting Swaggs??
Swaggs has the votes right now and I'm not sure I can convince enough people to vote for saldana (i.e. they won't be on again tonight)

I'm pretty sure they are the last two wolves.

[path12]

Swaggs has the votes right now and I'm not sure I can convince enough people to vote for saldana (i.e. they won't be on again tonight)

I'm pretty sure they are the last two wolves.

It was 9-1 Bearcat, I didn't think Swaggs had any votes.

[Raiders Army]

I'd be with you, but I after reading what you wrote, I still don't understand how anything is definitive in your reasoning. Maybe I'm slow?
With my power, I knew if I contacted an other, I'd be dead in the night phase.

Sorry, trying to type fast for path. Anyhow, I went back to my PMs with Blade on day 1 and he brought out the fact that one huge thing is how people check in. hoops picked up on it on day 2, and that's how spleen and KWhit got into his circle of trust since they used the word "simple".

The individuals above didn't use the word survivor because it wasn't in their description. It certainly wasn't in mine. To be able to hit two wolves who didn't check in with the word "survivor" in their first posts that were the check in posts with this leads me to believe that those who didn't check in with it didn't receive it in their role description.

You didn't either, but you hinted at something else today.

[path12]

OK, forget it. I've gotta go and the whole bait and switch is messed up.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE BEARCAT

[Raiders Army]

It was 9-1 Bearcat, I didn't think Swaggs had any votes.
thought your post with the vote count had swaggs with 2 votes.

[path12]

thought your post with the vote count had swaggs with 2 votes.

No, it was Schmidty.

[saldana]

WTF, this is BS....i didnt say i was a survivor when i checked in, i said i was a villager, i can find about 200 posts in this game alone where people interchange the words survivor and villager and wolf and other. And if you would please read the rest of that post, it says "I didnt even know we started yet, be back in a bit" because we werent scheduled to start the game when we did, i was a work, and just hurried a post up so i didnt get called out for not checking in..I have voted for 2 people now known to be others, and also called BS on king's fake seer reveal, and have also told you exactaly why my vote changed today to where it is now. i will confirm your ability, which clears you, and if you care to note, i refered to the fact that you were cleared to me about 100 posts ago when we started talking this morning. your logic is totally flawed, and to top it off, YOU DIDNT EVEN VOTE FOR ME!

[Raiders Army]

WTF, this is BS....i didnt say i was a survivor when i checked in, i said i was a villager, i can find about 200 posts in this game alone where people interchange the words survivor and villager and wolf and other. And if you would please read the rest of that post, it says "I didnt even know we started yet, be back in a bit" because we werent scheduled to start the game when we did, i was a work, and just hurried a post up so i didnt get called out for not checking in..I have voted for 2 people now known to be others, and also called BS on king's fake seer reveal, and have also told you exactaly why my vote changed today to where it is now. i will confirm your ability, which clears you, and if you care to note, i refered to the fact that you were cleared to me about 100 posts ago when we started talking this morning. your logic is totally flawed, and to top it off, YOU DIDNT EVEN VOTE FOR ME!
Already explained why I didn't vote for you.

[Raiders Army]

Damn, I glanced at the second line and saw:

Swaggs(2177), Celeval(2178), Desmond(2181)

Was trying to type too fast and look too fast. Thought celeval and desmond voted for swaggs.

[Raiders Army]

UNVOTE SWAGGS
VOTE SALDANA

I am pretty sure you guys are the wolves.

[pennywisesb]

Ok, so RA are you going to tell us why your alarm bells are ringing right now for him? Other than him trying to throw suspicion on me if I didn't change my vote?

[pennywisesb]

haha, sorry, i didn't refresh the damn page. Let me catch up.

[saldana]

how about you post the fact that you just asked me how much i knew about the show, and i said next to nothing...5 days ago i wouldnt have known an Other from a Survivor if they fell out of the sky and landed on me....i opened my PM, saw i was a good guy, ran back to the thread on this colossaly shitty connection i am using, and checked in as the first thing that came out of my mouth....villager/survivor....same thing...you are way off man...way off.

[saldana]

and just to prove myself further, you believe swaggs is an other and bearcat isnt

unvote bearcat
vote swaggs

[Raiders Army]

mckerney: no mention of survivor. Just checked in. We found out he had a special role.

Schmidty: just says I am here

bearcat: claimed to be a survivor...also seemed helpful

hoops: claimed to be a survivor

tanglewood: claims survivor

alant: just checks in

penny: claims survivor

kingfc: never claims survivor

kwhit: claims survivor

saldana: never mentions survivor

sndvls: never claims survivor (because he's not...he was the duke)

rpi: doesn't check in, just thanks sun for info

desnudo: also doesn't check in, just starts talking

grammaticus: claims survivor

swaggs: "I am here"

desmond: just starts talking
Check in vs. list of participants
Signed up:
1. Kwhit
2. Desnudo died attacking the security system, night 3.
3. Alan T lynched, day 3.
4. mckerney lynched, day 2.
5. Swaggs
6. Grammaticus died at the hands of The Others, night 1.
7. spleen1015
8. Raiders Army
9. tanglewood/Path12
10. Schmidty
11. Desmond
12. hoopsguy died at the hands of The Others, night 2.
13. Blade6119, disappeared, night 3.
14. Sndvls died at the hands of The Others, night 4.
15. Mr. Wednesday lynched, day 1.
16. saldana
17. pennywisesb
18. RPI-Fan/PackerFanatic
19. Celeval
20. kingfc22 lynched, day 4.
21. bearcat729

[Raiders Army]

and just to prove myself further, you believe swaggs is an other and bearcat isnt

unvote bearcat
vote swaggs
I might be able to give you a bye since I'm not 100% sure. Once I got the PM from you, I was less certain.

Crap, crap, crap. I think I did a role reveal unnecessarily. Let me check this list real fast.

[Raiders Army]

checked in as the first thing that came out of my mouth....villager/survivor....same thing...you are way off man...way off.
Hmmmm...that is a possibility.

You know, right now I'm tired of trying to think of all of the possibilities by myself. What do the rest of you think about this? This is a feasible defense, IMHO. Wish I would've PMed this to you instead. Motherfu....

[Desnudo]

I think this is riveting. Post faster please.

[Raiders Army]

Then based on the stuff above, I have the following people as being an other or a special role...


Schmidty
Packer
Swaggs
Desmond
possibly saldana

[Raiders Army]

beer and thinking don't go well together right now.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE SWAGGS

[Swaggs]

Okay...I'm going to do a reveal, since I think we're making a mistake on bearcat.

In a nutshell, I am Sayid. I can communicate with one person each day. Day 1 I talked to Blade, Day 2, hoops. On day 3 I talked to spleen. I will leave out day 4 since I did not tell saldana whom I talked to that day. I talked to saldana today. My alarm bells are ringing right now with him.

I went over what I talked to Blade about on day 1, and if you're a vet, you should know that sometimes he's pretty accurate.

His take on everyone on day 1 when everyone checked in:

mckerney: no mention of survivor. Just checked in. We found out he had a special role.

Schmidty: just says I am here

bearcat: claimed to be a survivor...also seemed helpful

hoops: claimed to be a survivor

tanglewood: claims survivor

alant: just checks in

penny: claims survivor

kingfc: never claims survivor

kwhit: claims survivor

saldana: never mentions survivor

sndvls: never claims survivor (because he's not...he was the duke)

rpi: doesn't check in, just thanks sun for info

desnudo: also doesn't check in, just starts talking

grammaticus: claims survivor

swaggs: "I am here"

desmond: just starts talking

I was just checking in.

I think if you check the voting records (for example, accusing and voting for AlanT early on Day 2, before momentum shifted away from him and continuing to accuse him into Day 3) and the information I have put out there (simple survivor clues mixed into my messages) and helped to create (aggressively questioning Blade and PackerFanatic--and pulling back off of PackerFanatic once I felt he answered well enoughand requesting that people don't vote for him), I should not be a suspect. I think (and hope) the other simple survivors out there can vouch for me.

I do not have any special abilities, but have tried to do my best to call suspects into question and push peoples' buttons to see how they will react.

[pennywisesb]

unvote path
vote Swaggs

Now we're getting somewhere. Well, RA you certainly cleared up the confusion I had on you earlier. I kept wondering why Blade kept putting you ahead of me when decided who was more trustworthy.

[KWhit]

beer and thinking don't go well together right now.
Beer goes well with everything (I'm having one myself right now).

I'll follow along for now.

UNVOTE BEARCAT

VOTE SWAGGS

[saldana]

Hmmmm...that is a possibility.

You know, right now I'm tired of trying to think of all of the possibilities by myself. What do the rest of you think about this? This is a feasible defense, IMHO. Wish I would've PMed this to you instead. Motherfu....


of course its feasible, its the truth...hence my slight consternation at your accusation.

[KWhit]

Shit.

I don't have time to go back through and check the things I need to, but I remember at one time thinking Swaggs was okay... I don't know.

UNVOTE SWAGGS

VOTE SALDANA

[Schmidty]

Those of you voting for Swaggs are making a huge mistake. HUGE.

[KWhit]

I gotta run for the night. Good luck.

If I'm wrong Saldana, I'm sorry dude.

[KWhit]

I think Swaggs is okay guys.

[pennywisesb]

Those of you voting for Swaggs are making a huge mistake. HUGE.

Obviously Schmidty knows alot more than he's allowing us. This makes me think that Swaggs and him are tied together which means I'm not voting Swaggs afterall. I'll go with Saladana for now because it could be disasterous if my hunch is right and we could lose two people by lynching either Schmidty or Swaggs.

unvote swaggs
vote saldana

[Swaggs]

I don't even understand the case for voting against me? Maybe I am missing something with this communication between RA and saldana?

Anyone who has a night action saying that I am anything but a simple survivor is lying. My voting history is strongly against the others (1st day--Blade, 2nd day--Alan T (and an early vote, as well, that put him in a tie to be lynched), 3rd day--stated Alan T, but voted for SnDvls after he said he would choose Alan T, 4th day--saldana (who still isn't cleared in my mind), and today Bearcat).

[pennywisesb]

It'd make sense why Schmidty keeps mentioned the mistakes we could be making, just don't let me down schmidty.

[pennywisesb]

jees, this is like a freaking roller coaster ride!

[Celeval]

This is getting interesting. Glad my flight is delayed two hours so I can get online. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

I need to do some checking here, this may turn out to be a much more interesting vote then I had thought.

[Schmidty]

Unvote Bearcat

Vote saldana

I have a gut feeling, and his vote for Swaggs makes it even stronger. I hope and pray that I'm not wrong, or we just might lose the game.

[Swaggs]

I am going to switch up, also. I hope it doesn't leave me open to momentum shifting vote, but I was voting Bearcat only because I thought someone may have discreetly discovered something about him and the people I trust were voting for him. I am going back to my vote from yesterday.

Unvote Bearcat

Vote saldana

[Raiders Army]

Unvote Bearcat

Vote saldana

I have a gut feeling, and his vote for Swaggs makes it even stronger. I hope and pray that I'm not wrong, or we just might lose the game.
crap.

last change then. If you are who I think you are, then I will go with you. If saldana turns out to be a survivor, then you're next.

UNVOTE SWAGGS
VOTES SALDANA

I gotta watch movie and then I'll be back to see the aftermath.

[pennywisesb]

I hope you're right. If Saldana turns out to be a survivor, Schmidty I'm coming after you.

[pennywisesb]

Ok, I'm off from work, I'll be on later tonight to see what happens. *Crosses fingers*

[saldana]

Unvote Bearcat

Vote saldana

I have a gut feeling, and his vote for Swaggs makes it even stronger. I hope and pray that I'm not wrong, or we just might lose the game.

right schmidty, i heard what you were saying earlier, and took my vote off you, i voted for king last night, and called his bs, the value of which should be obvious....would an other do any of those things?!

and since you told me to
unvote swaggs

dont really know who to vote for now, so i guess i will go back to
vote bearcat

for those of you still voting for me, you realize raiders doesnt even believe his own argument anymore.

[Schmidty]

I hope you're right. If Saldana turns out to be a survivor, Schmidty I'm coming after you.

Why? I could be wrong, and I wasn't the first person to vote for saldana. What's with the vendetta against me? Same thing goes for RA.

It's not like I am running the show. I just said that Swaggs is ok in my opinion.

[Schmidty]

right schmidty, i heard what you were saying earlier, and took my vote off you, i voted for king last night, and called his bs, the value of which should be obvious....would an other do any of those things?!

and since you told me to
unvote swaggs

dont really know who to vote for now, so i guess i will go back to
vote bearcat

for those of you still voting for me, you realize raiders doesnt even believe his own argument anymore.

This whole game is giving me stomache aches. I really hope I'm right about you. :(

[saldana]

This whole game is giving me stomache aches. I really hope I'm right about you. :(

you are not...i cant believe i am going to get lynched because i used the word villager instead of survivor while making a check in post from work where i am not even supposed to be online unless its my lunch break (which it isnt right now, and i have gotten no work done all night because of this nonsense)

[Celeval]

So, is this right so far?

2119 Saldana Vote Schmidty
2130 Path Vote Bearcat
2149 Packer Vote Bearcat
2152 Pennywise Vote Schmidty
2168 KWhit Vote Bearcat
2169 Schmidty Vote Bearcat
2174 Raiders Vote Bearcat
2177 Swaggs Vote Bearcat
2178 Celeval Vote Bearcat
2181 Desmond Vote Bearcat
2190 Saldana Vote Bearcat Unvote Schmidty
2192 Pennywise Unvote Schmidty
2203 Raiders Vote Swaggs Unvote Bearcat
2204 Path Vote Saldana Unvote Bearcat
2210 Path Vote Bearcat Unvote Saldana
2216 Raiders Vote Saldana Unvote Swaggs
2220 Saldana Vote Swaggs Unvote Bearcat
2226 Raiders Vote Swaggs Unvote Saldana
2228 Pennywise Vote Swaggs Unvote Path
2229 KWhit Vote Swaggs Unvote Bearcat
2231 KWhit Vote Saldana Unvote Swaggs
2235 Pennywise Vote Saldana Unvote Swaggs
2240 Schmidty Vote Saldana Unvote Bearcat
2241 Swaggs Vote Saldana Unvote Bearcat
2242 Raiders Vote Saldana Unvote Swaggs
2245 Saldana Vote Bearcat Unvote Swaggs



Bearcat (5): Path, Packer, Celeval, Desmond, Saldana
Saldana (5): Pennywise, KWhit, Schmidty, Raiders, Swaggs,

[Celeval]

Votes outstanding: Bearcat, spleen (but nothing from spleen tonight)