Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Poli]

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/images/wallpaper/lost_103x77_fox_01.jpg

http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost

Click this link. Do it.

A man awakes in a jungle. He is bruised and bloody, and doesn't know where he is. A yellow lab watches him from the trees, then suddenly runs off. He forces himself up and winces in pain, leaning against a tree. He checks his jacket pocket and finds a small bottle of vodka. Recognition of where he is begins to float across his face. He winces back the pain and begins to run through the trees, reaching a beautiful beach.

He hears sounds — people screaming. He wanders around a bend and finds what has brought him here — a plane crash, survivors in shock. A man trapped beneath wreckage. A woman not breathing. A pregnant woman screaming for help. He runs to help those he can, and rallies the others to help him. One of these strangers asks his name: "Jack."

Back at the crash site, the survivors do their best to make themselves comfortable. Sayid introduces himself to Charlie, and gets Charlie to help build a bonfire, for the rescuers to see. Hurley gathers together the food from the plane, and distributes it amongst the survivors. The group hears a sound from inside the trees — a loud, terrifying, monstrous howl that goes on and on. The tops of the trees shake, and eventually whatever is making the sound goes away, leaving the survivors marooned, exhausted — and now terrified.

The first attack happens at night, when they awake to a brutal struggle coming from the jungle near their camp. The survivors bury their dead, forage for food and water and fashion weapons as defense. But it does little to help them, because a second attack comes close on the heels of the first and this time, they take the children.

(altered from hoopsguy's last game)
4.) Looking for at least 15 players, and would like to have more.
8.) It will be a hidden roles game - no roles are published initially.
15.) Looking to begin the game on Monday, February 13th. I can start earlier if we have a lot of signups early on.
16.) I'll planning to adopt a 12/12 day/night cycle but I'm willing to alter this to meet the requests of the players.
23.) The game isn't werewolves versus villagers per se, but more of the television show Lost.
42.) Be prepared.

Signed up:
1. Kwhit
2. Desnudo died attacking the security system, night 3.
3. Alan T lynched, day 3.
4. mckerney lynched, day 2.
5. Swaggs
6. Grammaticus died at the hands of The Others, night 1.
7. spleen1015
8. Raiders Army
9. tanglewood/Path12
10. Schmidty died at the hands of The Others, Day 5.
11. Desmond
12. hoopsguy died at the hands of The Others, night 2.
13. Blade6119, disappeared, night 3.
14. Sndvls died at the hands of The Others, night 4.
15. Mr. Wednesday lynched, day 1.
16. saldana lynched, day 5.
17. pennywisesb
18. RPI-Fan/PackerFanatic died at the hands of The Others, Night 5.
19. Celeval
20. kingfc22 lynched, day 4.
21. bearcat729

[KWhit]

I'll play! Sounds fun.

[Desnudo]

Interesting, I'm in.

[Alan T]

Im interested!

[Mr. Wednesday]

How important is it to be familiar with the TV show?

[path12]

I'm going to be out of town until Monday afternoon/evening, so it's probably best to pass this one -- looks like a fun one though! Ardent, maybe you can put me down for an alternate?

[Poli]

I'd think it would be safe to say you can play without being familiar with the show.

Path, I'll put you down as an alternate, though I doubt we'll start before Monday right now.

[PackerFanatic]

I am not really a fan of the show, so put me down as an alternate ;)

[mckerney]

I'm interested.

[Swaggs]

I haven't played in a long time, nor have I tried one of the newer, more elaborate games, but I'd like to give it a shot.

I'm in.

[Grammaticus]

sign me up

[spleen1015]

I don't know how to play, but I would to play in this one. can some PM an explanation of how to play?

[Raiders Army]

Ooooo....Lost! Sign me up!

[Barkeep49]

Having seen the rule set to this game, I would say that despite having no knowledge of Lost, Ardent has done a very good job of explaining the characters and so I would not worry about lack of knowledge about the TV show.

[tanglewood]

Interested in this one. Hopefully I'll do better this time 'round. :)

[Schmidty]

I'll be in, and try not to mess up again.

[Desmond]

Id love to play.

[hoopsguy]

I'm in, although I'll expect I'll be a little behind the curve because I have not watched the show.

Swaggs, the X-Com werewolf game where you shot me :mad: felt pretty elaborate back in the day. Damn duke ...

[kingfc22]

Sounds like a ton of fun, but I think I'm going to take a game off. I will be following along since Lost is my 2nd favorite show on TV behind 24.

[Swaggs]

I'm in, although I'll expect I'll be a little behind the curve because I have not watched the show.

Swaggs, the X-Com werewolf game where you shot me :mad: felt pretty elaborate back in the day. Damn duke ...

That was the last one I played in.

Good to see there are no hard feelings. ;)

[Blade6119]

Im in buddy

[Blade6119]

dola, never seen the show so bear with me everyone

[kingfc22]

Beware of the numbers.......

[kingfc22]

WW games ranked by post count:

WW XIV: Spawn - 2613
WW XX:Werewolf Goes to Hollywood - 2477
WW XIX: Of Demons and Elementals - 2196
WW XXI: Way of the Colt - 2077
WW IX: Village of the Damned - 1862

[SnDvls]

so in...you took my idea :)

[Buccaneer]

WW games ranked by post count:

WW XIV: Spawn - 2613
WW XX:Werewolf Goes to Hollywood - 2477
WW XIX: Of Demons and Elementals - 2196
WW XXI: Way of the Colt - 2077
WW IX: Village of the Damned - 1862
As much as I followed some of the games, I didn't realize there had been that many. I remember very well the last 3 but what happened in 15-18?

[hoopsguy]

Werewolf 15 - cowboy WW, game dumped due to bandit inactivity.

16 "Time Traveler" by SnDlvs - one of two most complex rule sets (in my opinion), didn't have enough time to really get into it as an observer before it was over

16 "Return of the Wolves" by Neon_Chaos - dueling #16 game. Was this first game involving lovers? Dubb played big role in villager win after they lost seer and lovers in same night.

17 "To Crown a King" by Barkeep49 - three factions, assassins mixed in with nobles

18 "Return to the Forest" by RPI-Fan - pretty straight-forward WW game, Dubb as cultist just p3wnd the villagers.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd think it would be safe to say you can play without being familiar with the show.In, then, assuming there's still space. :)

[Poli]

There is. Plenty of room. I'll update in the morning.

[saldana]

in, never seen the show, but in anyway....and why is it that i am getting NO love for the fact that i was the first one to come up with a Hollywood themed game on this board...now everyone is doing it :( (please note scarcasm)

[Poli]

Duly noted. :)

[dubb93]

scarcasm

Just because you were the first to do a Harry Potter game doesn't give you the right to go in other werewolf threads and make lame puns like "scarcasm" :D :D

[Blade6119]

Just because you were the first to do a Harry Potter game doesn't give you the right to go in other werewolf threads and make lame puns like "scarcasm" :D :D
I have to echo Saldana's thoughts on people stealing things...like you stealing my Role Reveal Master title :mad: (self-proclaimed, yes...but master none-the-less :p )

[pennywisesb]

I've taken a break from the last couple, but I think I'm ready to play again....

[pennywisesb]

I've taken a break from the last couple, but I think I'm ready to play again....


ie. sign me up

[Poli]

Gotcha. Still room for more. I'd like to get to 23. :) I'll keep this up another day or so.

[RPI-Fan]

I'd like to play, please. (I'll be nicer)

[Celeval]

Never played, but what the hell.

[saldana]

Just because you were the first to do a Harry Potter game doesn't give you the right to go in other werewolf threads and make lame puns like "scarcasm" :D :D
that wasnt a pun, i just cant spell for shit

[saldana]

that wasnt a pun, i just cant spell for shit
dola, in fact, i dont even get what the pun was :confused:

[Bearcat729]

dola, in fact, i dont even get what the pun was :confused:


Harry Potter is known for his Scar

[Blade6119]

Harry Potter is known for his Scar
Wow, i sooo didnt get that...but it actually makes sense...interesting...

[kingfc22]

Ahh, heck. I guess I'll play. :D

[Bearcat729]

I'll give werewolf one last shot.

[dubb93]

that wasnt a pun, i just cant spell for shit

I assure you that it isn't anything to be worried about. I think half my werewolf posts ever are typo ridden to the point where I just can't help but laugh when I go back and read them. And if it makes you feel any better do a google search for "scarcasm" :D

You aren't alone. :D

[saldana]

Harry Potter is known for his Scar
yeah, i never saw that one coming...totally unintentional

[Poli]

Going to close down the accepting players window now. Expect roles shortly.

[Poli]

All roles have been sent. Please verify you were onboard Oceanic Airlines Flight 815.

[Poli]

The first attack happens at night, when you awake to a brutal struggle coming from the jungle near their camp. The survivors bury their dead, forage for food and water and fashion weapons as defense. But it does little to help them, because a second attack comes close on the heels of the first and this time, they take the children.

Among the dead are people you found incredibly helpful. Ardent Enthusiast. Barkeep49. Coffee Warlord. Neon_Chaos.

You each vow to find those that are killing you off as if for sport. It may not help you get off the island, but at least it will afford you some peace of mind. Maybe it will provide an answer as to why you are here and how you can get off the island.

Day 1 has started.

[Blade6119]

Survivor Checking in...lets get "the others" whatever the hell that means...can someone give an idea of key show roles, like what powers the others might have for us non-watchers?

[mckerney]

They killed ardent enthusiast? ardentrules is gonna be pissed...

[Blade6119]

Hoops, we have 21 and you said you wanted 23...we also have two alternates...you sure you dont want to send out roles to them?

[Schmidty]

I am here.

[Poli]

Hoops, we have 21 and you said you wanted 23...we also have two alternates...you sure you dont want to send out roles to them?
There was an alternative reason to wanting 23.

[Bearcat729]

Survivor checking in.

[hoopsguy]

Another survivor checking in, glad to be alive and hoping to be rescued from this island soon.

[tanglewood]

Isn't it strange how many people survived a lane crash in which the plane split in two pieces? I mean that's just so un... okay I'll shut up now. :D

Survivor checking in.

[Alan T]

I'm alive! I don't really know much about what or who we are up against either, so if anyone more experienced with surviving plane crashes on remote deserted islands, please help with a few pointers! :)

[pennywisesb]

Survivor checking in. This should be fun....

[kingfc22]

I will never fly Oceanic Airlines again. I still can't believe that I survived a plane crash.

[mckerney]

Guys, where are we?

[hoopsguy]

AE, what is the deadline for Day 1? Apologize in advance if I missed it somewhere on the last page.

[Alan T]

subject line says 9pm CST tommorrow. I'm assuming thats right, I didnt see it in the thread anywhere either.

[Poli]

That is correct. The deadline is in the subject line.

[hoopsguy]

Heh - sorry about that.

Suppose it would be sporting to give people a chance to show up before starting the voting, but since this isn't an extended (weekend) Day 1 it probably wouldn't hurt to try and generate some chatter.

For the people who are vets of the show, can you help me out a little with some details? What are the threats to the survivors?

If we are assuming a typical villager/wolf game I'm guessing the count is something like 16-5 or 17-4. But I don't know if that is a good assumption. Who came up with this idea of hidden rules/roles anyways?

[Barkeep49]

In fairness Ardent had the idea simultainously as you Hoops so a big fat :P :)

[Blade6119]

Vote Mckerney Honsestly, hes one of the names bolded on the initial list...hoping to generate chatter, but since i dont know lost i dont know why those numbers are bolded...evil clue?

[Blade6119]

dola, yes i realize thats a .000001 chance its correct, so its really a random vote when it all comes down to it...

[KWhit]

Hey guys. Just a simple survivor checking in.

[SnDvls]

huh? where am I? Last thing I remember is having a drink on the plane. Where's the hot blonde that was next to me? Why am I laying on a beach? Damn, I'm gonna sue those bastdards!!!

[saldana]

didnt know we started yet, villager checking in, be back later on

[Poli]

Heh - sorry about that.

Suppose it would be sporting to give people a chance to show up before starting the voting, but since this isn't an extended (weekend) Day 1 it probably wouldn't hurt to try and generate some chatter.

For the people who are vets of the show, can you help me out a little with some details? What are the threats to the survivors?

If we are assuming a typical villager/wolf game I'm guessing the count is something like 16-5 or 17-4. But I don't know if that is a good assumption. Who came up with this idea of hidden rules/roles anyways?
I probably should have given some time for that, but there's plenty of time till the deadline...which I don't plan on having every day.

[Blade6119]

huh? where am I? Last thing I remember is having a drink on the plane. Where's the hot blonde that was next to me? Why am I laying on a beach? Damn, I'm gonna sue those bastdards!!!
She prob. blew up the plane becuase you were hitting on her..."Baby, were in a enclosed area over some island...you cant say no, as you have nowhere to go" *BOOOOOOM* "oh, she plays hard to get i see...well played you saucy minx, well played" ;)

[kingfc22]

Vote Mckerney Honsestly, hes one of the names bolded on the initial list...hoping to generate chatter, but since i dont know lost i dont know why those numbers are bolded...evil clue?The numbers that are bolded play an important part in Lost.

4
8
15
16
23
42

One of the characters, Hurley, learned about these numbers while he was in a physc. ward. He later won the lottery with those numbers and ever since he has had INCREDIBLE bad luck.

The numbers also act as a code to prevent a supposed catastrophic event from happening in the bunker that John Locke found.

That is just a couple of examples of the numbers. I'm not sure what the signifigance it will play in this game.

[saldana]

Vote Mckerney Honsestly, hes one of the names bolded on the initial list...hoping to generate chatter, but since i dont know lost i dont know why those numbers are bolded...evil clue?

blade, i actually checked into the bold numbers since i am one...apparently one of the characters on teh show is a millionaire that won his money playing the lottery...the bolded numbers are the numbers he had in the lottery...otherwise they are insignificant.

[Blade6119]

blade, i actually checked into the bold numbers since i am one...apparently one of the characters on teh show is a millionaire that won his money playing the lottery...the bolded numbers are the numbers he had in the lottery...otherwise they are insignificant.
From Kings post they held recurring value on the island...so unless ardent was just trying to be cute(possible) they could also play a role in the game id imagine(also possible)...just assesing what options we're dealt so far

[SnDvls]

Survivor Checking in...lets get "the others" whatever the hell that means...can someone give an idea of key show roles, like what powers the others might have for us non-watchers?

from what we know from the show (Those of you who know can feel free to add too)

"The Others" - They seem to have been on the island for a long time. They are able to hide thier tracks in the jungle and are very good at hiding in the jungle. Think Viet Cong like. Not much else is know of them. It is believed one of them did inflitrate the front end crash survivors, Ethan. And one of them did infiltrate the back end "tailes" but was killed by Anna Lucia.

Survivors - Jack (Doctor), Charlie (Rock Star/Junkie), Hurley (big guy who won the lottery with the #'s 4-8-15-16-23-42 hence the numbers in the rules and bolded players) Lock (was paralized from the waist down until the crash and now he can walk, some think he has some higher power) Michael (just got custody of his son WALT! , the others took his son so he keeps yelling his son's name in the show) Jin (Korean hitman) Sawyer (conman) Sun (Jin's wife, speaks both english & Korean, her english was unknown to her husband until recently) Said (former Iraqi Military man, could be our bodyguard in this game) Walt (Michaels young son, believed to have some sort of power) Mr Ecko (big Nigerian dude who used to be a drug dealer/mob boss in his home country, now is a born again christian. could also be our bodyguard) Kate (in an odd off and on love triagle with Jack & Sawyer, fugitive from the law) Claire (just gave birth) Anna Lucia (ex cop, used excessive force in a domestic dispute, could also be our bodyguard)

I did leave out a few female characters and Boone who was killed in the show I suggest you go to the official site to read up on them if you want more info, but I personally don't think they are important. If someone else does please add to the info I put out there I'm sure I forgot some.

[SnDvls]

The numbers that are bolded play an important part in Lost.

4
8
15
16
23
42

One of the characters, Hurley, learned about these numbers while he was in a physc. ward. He later won the lottery with those numbers and ever since he has had INCREDIBLE bad luck.

The numbers also act as a code to prevent a supposed catastrophic event from happening in the bunker that John Locke found.

That is just a couple of examples of the numbers. I'm not sure what the signifigance it will play in this game.

they also were on the outside of the hatch and have brought Hurley (the guy who won the lottery) tons of bad luck.

[Blade6119]

Michael (just got custody of his son WALT! , the others took his son so he keeps yelling his son's name in the show) Walt (Michaels young son, believed to have some sort of power)
Is it possible due to the others taking walt that they have a conversion power?...just thinking out loud

Sun, thank you for that breakdown..i now know 100% more then i did before

[SnDvls]

Is it possible due to the others taking walt that they have a conversion power?...just thinking out loud

Sun, thank you for that breakdown..i now know 100% more then i did before


they really haven't gotten into the others much so depending on what theories AE follows/believes could be.

I'll try as much as I can to give info, but I think that also makes me target numbro uno for the others too.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, I know nothing about "Lost". I know that people who watch the show talk about a guy looking for "Walt!". And that's about it.

So thanks to SnDvls for giving some background info on the show. Any other info would be greatly appreciated.

[KWhit]

Is it possible due to the others taking walt that they have a conversion power?...just thinking out loud
Possible ingame I guess. But in the show, it appears that Walt hasn't been converted, just kidnapped. But it's unclear in the show at this point.

[Bearcat729]

they also were on the outside of the hatch and have brought Hurley (the guy who won the lottery) tons of bad luck.


They bring everyone bad luck. Hurley believes them to be cursed. The man who told him the numbers in the Psych ward had a friend who heard the numbers and ended up dying in an odd way(Not sure how, I'd have to break out the DVD's). The French Lady Danelle and her group heard the numbers being transmitted and ended up wrecking on the island which ended up all costing all but Danelle their lives.

[Desnudo]

Is it possible due to the others taking walt that they have a conversion power?...just thinking out loud

Sun, thank you for that breakdown..i now know 100% more then i did before

If I remember correctly, Walt had the ability to see into the future. I watched season 1 on DVD, but haven't seen any of season 2. Not having seen 2, the impression I got from 1 is that all of the "magic" bad luck is actually based on highly advanced technology. Like there's this guardian thing on the island that flies around killing people, but is actually a security system.

[Blade6119]

Possible ingame I guess. But in the show, it appears that Walt hasn't been converted, just kidnapped. But it's unclear in the show at this point.
Since kidnapping has never been a game option and ardent didnt say any new roles or rules would be in place i went to the next most logical choice

[Blade6119]

Well, since the deadline is tomorrow does anyone have any ideas or are you all just going random? I might just have to break out my heavy attack again if thats the case

[Grammaticus]

Survivor checking in. I knew I should have booked a flight on Qantas airlines instead of Oceanic!

[Bearcat729]

If I remember correctly, Walt had the ability to see into the future. I watched season 1 on DVD, but haven't seen any of season 2. Not having seen 2, the impression I got from 1 is that all of the "magic" bad luck is actually based on highly advanced technology. Like there's this guardian thing on the island that flies around killing people, but is actually a security system.


I'm not sure what powers Walt has. I know that when trying to get the attention of his step father and mother to look at a picture of a bird he causes a real version of that bird to crash into the window. All we know is that Walt is "special" and that is why his step father calls Michael to come get him. Walt's talents creep out the Step father.

This season he kept appearing to people sort of like a ghost(Shannon at first and then Shannon and Sayid right before Shannons death). He also appeared to be talking to his father over the computer in the hatch, but if it really was him we don't know yet.

[Desnudo]

Aah, that's right. I remember that episode now. The implication is that he has the ability to influence reality with his thoughts.

[saldana]

from the descriptions of the show that sun and bearcat gave (thanks a ton btw) i would have to guess that we have a doctor of some kind, at least one bodyguard, an assassin (the korean hitman role) and probably a turncoat (hurley and his cursed numbers?). i would also guess we are facing at least a 3+1 "others" if not 4+1 based on the number of players.

[Blade6119]

i would also guess we are facing at least a 3+1 "others"
Do you mean like an elemental role or turncoat with that +1?...i guess dark spy too...just wondering what the +1 means

[Swaggs]

I am here.

[saldana]

Do you mean like an elemental role or turncoat with that +1?...i guess dark spy too...just wondering what the +1 means

sorry, when i said 3+1 i meant...3 "others" to start, plus one survivor that could be converted, equalling 4 bad guys

[kingfc22]

Well, since the deadline is tomorrow does anyone have any ideas or are you all just going random? I might just have to break out my heavy attack again if thats the caseI'm leaning to voting for one of the "numbers" just to see what happens.

[pennywisesb]

I'm leaning to voting for one of the "numbers" just to see what happens.

I'm leaning towards this train of thought as well.

Also, thanks to all that gave summaries of the show since I never watch it I was totally in the dark before reading them.

[mckerney]

I'm leaning to voting for one of the "numbers" just to see what happens.

I don't agree with this train of thought. If ardent just gave roles to the people he bolded at random, this would be the worst game of werewolf ever. And I, for one, know that this is not the worst version ever.

[Desmond]

from the descriptions of the show that sun and bearcat gave (thanks a ton btw) i would have to guess that we have a doctor of some kind, at least one bodyguard, an assassin (the korean hitman role) and probably a turncoat (hurley and his cursed numbers?). i would also guess we are facing at least a 3+1 "others" if not 4+1 based on the number of players.


Could also be that the Hurley role in the game (if there is one) is just plain bad luck, and not neccesarily a turn coat or a bad guy. Of course thats going more on knowledge of the show than the game.

[Blade6119]

I don't agree with this train of thought. If ardent just gave roles to the people he bolded at random, this would be the worst game of werewolf ever. And I, for one, know that this is not the worst version ever.
So says a person with a bolded number

Im just saying that by the sound of things, everything related to the numbers ON THE ISLAND(not the lottery) has been bad...if this game is related to the show, that could be a sign...not saying it is, just putting things out there for thought. I think its prob. random, but for day one i dont currently see a better idea...do you?

[mckerney]

I think its prob. random, but for day one i dont currently see a better idea...do you?

Yes, vote for someone other than me. ;)

[Blade6119]

4. mckerney
8. Raiders Army
15. Mr. Wednesday
16. saldana
From that list who would you rather me vote for?

[Blade6119]

come on buddy, its been 20 minutes...your still in thread, just respond already

[mckerney]

From that list who would you rather me vote for?

Well, this puts me in a bit of a quandary. If I decide to pick one of these people to vote for, I am stating that it is likely being one of the bolded numbers correlates with being one of the others, and therefore I am, or likely am, a member of the others and am a good candidate for being selected for lynching. If I state that we should vote for someone other than the bolded ones, I seem to be acting as knowing that being bolded is linked to being one of the others, but want to cover it up to protect myself and my brethren. So no matter how I respond to your question, I appear to be guilty. I feel a bit like a Corax to your Tisias the way you lay it out, according to your system of logic I lose no matter what the outcome.

[Blade6119]

Well, this puts me in a bit of a quandary. If I decide to pick one of these people to vote for, I am stating that it is likely being one of the bolded numbers correlates with being one of the others, and therefore I am, or likely am, a member of the others and am a good candidate for being selected for lynching. If I state that we should vote for someone other than the bolded ones, I seem to be acting as knowing that being bolded is linked to being one of the others, but want to cover it up to protect myself and my brethren. So no matter how I respond to your question, I appear to be guilty. I feel a bit like a Corax to your Tisias the way you lay it out, according to your system of logic I lose no matter what the outcome.
Honestly, not so much. More so picking either option would be better then abstaining to me. If you dont pick, it looks like your actively trying to look innocent(we all are, but this would make it look especially hard)...

Im assuming your going to vote this day cycle(meaning less then 24 hours from now)...your going to have to pick eventually...you dont have to do it now, but start thinking about it as it will have to be made shortly

[mckerney]

Honestly, not so much. More so picking either option would be better then abstaining to me. If you dont pick, it looks like your actively trying to look innocent(we all are, but this would make it look especially hard)...

Im assuming your going to vote this day cycle(meaning less then 24 hours from now)...your going to have to pick eventually...you dont have to do it now, but start thinking about it as it will have to be made shortly

I will vote, but it won't be based at all off who is bolded. I may vote for someone whose name is bold, but the fact that it is in bold will have nothing to do with the decision. As I said, being that my name is in bold and I know my role, I can truthfully say that being in bold isn't at all indicitive of having a special role.

[mckerney]

it looks like your actively trying to look innocent

Wouldn't you be too if you were accused?

[Desnudo]

Maybe AE would do something so obvious, but I'll likely be voting for whoever is inactive on day 1.

[Blade6119]

Wouldn't you be too if you were accused?
I love selective quoting...it can totally change what people say...like for instancr you not quoting the note after that sentence(in brackets like this) thats says we all are trying to look innocent... :rolleyes:

[Raiders Army]

Survivor checking in. I support mckerney on the not voting just because the person is bolded. Why? Glad you asked. As it was said before, it would be a pretty quick game if the bolded numbered people were the Others. I also doubt the bolded people are special roles as well, since that would make them quick targets for the wolves.

My two cents.

[Raiders Army]

Could also be that the Hurley role in the game (if there is one) is just plain bad luck, and not neccesarily a turn coat or a bad guy. Of course thats going more on knowledge of the show than the game.
There was also a Desmond on the show...

He was in the hatch, punching in the numbers before Locke got addicted to punching them in.

[Blade6119]

Sooooooooo, i cant sleep...anyone want to come talk? Hoops, you have posted once(maybe twice) since roles have gone out...where are you????????? Off in the forest with the other "others"

[KWhit]

I've got a bunch of meetings this morning, so I won't be very available until after lunch. But then I'll be around to discuss things and vote.

[KWhit]

Dola -

Just want to make sure I'm not voted for because of inactivity!

:)

[Blade6119]

Dola -

Just want to make sure I'm not voted for because of inactivity!

:)
By my count 17 people have posted post-role sendouts...so we still have 4 people more inactive then you. Ill be out most of the morning as well, and a bit in the afternonn, so we shall see

[hoopsguy]

Top of the morning, Blade. I see you are up to your usual game :)

I'm not inclined to vote for mckerney, if only for his use of Tisias - that is too rare in werewolf to eliminate on Day 1.

Day 1 does suck - I'm all for trying to make something happen in terms of patterns appear, but I'm not sure that random conversation achieves this. I think it only happens when you start the ball rolling with votes. If somehow a bad guy is targeted, then you likely will start to see some kind of movement that gives voting patterns.

With that said, I'll vote for TazFTW. Why him? Well, he is in the thread right now and has a chance to respond if he is so inclined. Beyond that, just voting for someone who has played a quiet game over the last couple that I have watched. For me, quiet game = harder to read if good or bad, plus less likely to help shape my thinking (positively or negatively) in finding the "wolves".

[hoopsguy]

Dola ...

VOTE TAZFTW

Sorry about that - getting rusty as a player after not participating in the last couple. Sheesh.

[Blade6119]

Top of the morning, Blade. I see you are up to your usual game :)
Yup, im reverting back to my normal self this game. Experimented with the whole "Im on top of the world" routine last game...results were mixed...now im back to being eventually aggresive and more then likely fake-pissed off blade.

Good morning to you...ive decided not to sleep tonight, so what would you like to talk about?

I find your vote for taz interesting...defense of mckerney i currently dont see as overly important, as my mckerney vote doesnt hold much substance currently. To be honest, not based on much, but my vote right now is heading towards king. Reasons are there to be seen if you look, but i dont feel like typing out a long winded reasoning just yet...looking for a few more pieces to fall into place first. Whats on your mind buddy?

[hoopsguy]

Whats on your mind buddy?
Not a ton, yet. The hidden rules/roles game makes it a little tougher to look for areas not explored in the game conversation - something I usually try to do. Although once we have a day in the books and some voting patterns + positions to look at I still think this is a good way to play. The "wolves" are always trying to move your view somewhere else, so my general tack is to try and think a little bit outside of the current conversation.

But after 60 post of mostly "I'm here" call-outs, coupled with the non-published rule set, I haven't yet found something yet that really gets me thinking. I'm up for playing your wingman here for about 15-20 minutes if you want to work through some ideas.

[TazFTW]

Y'all realise that I'm not in this game, right?

[Blade6119]

Not a ton, yet. The hidden rules/roles game makes it a little tougher to look for areas not explored in the game conversation - something I usually try to do. Although once we have a day in the books and some voting patterns + positions to look at I still think this is a good way to play. The "wolves" are always trying to move your view somewhere else, so my general tack is to try and think a little bit outside of the current conversation.

But after 60 post of mostly "I'm here" call-outs, coupled with the non-published rule set, I haven't yet found something yet that really gets me thinking. I'm up for playing your wingman here for about 15-20 minutes if you want to work through some ideas.
"You can be my wingman anytime" ;) . Ok ace, lets start simple...pick one and only one ratio for this game

[Blade6119]

Y'all realise that I'm not in this game, right?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Hoopsguy....wow....just wow...you might need to unvote him :rolleyes:

[hoopsguy]

Er, um ... no.

UNVOTE TAZFTW

And no one besides Blade is in the thread right now, eliminating my logic for semi-random Day 1 vote. So, who else in the current player list fits the profile as a quiet player?

VOTE TANGLEWOOD

[hoopsguy]

Ratio - lets shoot for 16-4-1, with the turncoat role being in the game - sounds like from the decriptions of the show that could be the case.

[Blade6119]

Er, um ... no.

UNVOTE TAZFTW

And no one besides Blade is in the thread right now, eliminating my logic for semi-random Day 1 vote. So, who else in the current player list fits the profile as a quiet player?

VOTE TANGLEWOOD
Spleen, Mr. w, and celeval have not checked in...1 other as well by my count, but i dont know who

[Blade6119]

Ratio - lets shoot for 16-4-1, with the turncoat role being in the game - sounds like from the decriptions of the show that could be the case.
Id bet more 17-3-1...4+1 sounds too high to me, especially in a hidden roles game.

Round 2: Do you think people checking in as "survivor" or not mentioning it at all should be looked at more closely?

[hoopsguy]

Looking at this player list, we do have a pretty verbose group - I think there is serious potential for most WW posts ever, particularly if Blade is allowed to live for a few days.

I don't think that AE would deliberately place roles on the bolded numbers. For the people who understand the show, it seems like they would be drawn to these like moths to the flame. But I do expect them to play a role in the storyline at some point.

That said, if there was someone with a bolded number that I would vote for initially it would be Raiders. Post #108 he conveniently doesn't mention that he has one of the bolded numbers while giving his defense of not voting for the bolded numbers.

As far as a King vote, I went back to re-read his posts. He provides an initial explanation on the numbers; others expand on this later. He then indicates that he is likely to vote for one of the "numbers" just to see what happens. But I don't believe he cast a vote.

[hoopsguy]

Round 2 "survivor" - the challenge there is that it tempts people to expand upon the PM that Ardent sent, and that is one of the few ironclad rules in werewolf. THOU SHALT NOT REVEAL YOUR PMS!

FWIW on this point, I think the first guy to mention the word is safe in my eyes - and that is you. But that is about all the validity I give it.

As for not mentioning it, I think it is probably worth noting but there is also a chance those people are holding special roles or just didn't feel like jumping on the "I'm a survivor" bandwagon. If you were playing the role of "Others" wouldn't you want to get in on the "survivor" tag early after a couple of people already did? If I was going to take a closer look at anything in this vein, I think that is where I would start.

[Blade6119]

Looking at this player list, we do have a pretty verbose group - I think there is serious potential for most WW posts ever, particularly if Blade is allowed to live for a few days.

I don't think that AE would deliberately place roles on the bolded numbers. For the people who understand the show, it seems like they would be drawn to these like moths to the flame. But I do expect them to play a role in the storyline at some point.

That said, if there was someone with a bolded number that I would vote for initially it would be Raiders. Post #108 he conveniently doesn't mention that he has one of the bolded numbers while giving his defense of not voting for the bolded numbers.

As far as a King vote, I went back to re-read his posts. He provides an initial explanation on the numbers; others expand on this later. He then indicates that he is likely to vote for one of the "numbers" just to see what happens. But I don't believe he cast a vote.
I hope i am...i always have more fun when i dont know anything going in...i usually last longer then as im usually like a headless chicken...im sure ill nab a few villagers this time with my expert survivor skills...then again, i had a special role last game and everyone saw me muk that all up. Anywho, i actually think we might undershoot. For day one were running low right now.

Noting your idea on raiders, did mckerney not do the same thing? He did not mention he was a bolded number when he defended it. Just seems like a double standard and starting to seem like you dont want me looking at mckerney...hoops, your better then that.

King has not yet voted, but i have stated two/you one of the reasons he is near(near, not top...top is secret) to my vote list right now...i dont want to repeat them right now, but you can look if you want over my comments and some(while not saying king) are about him.

If not mckerney, since you seem to be against that, or the numbers(which id agree with...but if were going numbers mckerney should go before raiders)...which way do you want to go? Quiet players? I know you well enough to know why you say that, but you know me and what i want on day one...those two ideas conflict

[hoopsguy]

I'll be around, on and off, most of the day.

Blade, if you are a garden-variety survivor, then you can probably guess the other reason why I don't think it would be particularly cool for people to try and elaborate on their PMs. I don't want to spell it out and help the "others" with this message, but people who are survivors may be able to start building trust based on this non-reveal of a PM.

[Blade6119]

Round 2 "survivor" - the challenge there is that it tempts people to expand upon the PM that Ardent sent, and that is one of the few ironclad rules in werewolf. THOU SHALT NOT REVEAL YOUR PMS!

FWIW on this point, I think the first guy to mention the word is safe in my eyes - and that is you. But that is about all the validity I give it.

As for not mentioning it, I think it is probably worth noting but there is also a chance those people are holding special roles or just didn't feel like jumping on the "I'm a survivor" bandwagon. If you were playing the role of "Others" wouldn't you want to get in on the "survivor" tag early after a couple of people already did? If I was going to take a closer look at anything in this vein, I think that is where I would start.
Well thank you for what sounds like some trust to start off. As for your comments, i compiled a list of all peoples posts to this point, bolding everyone first posts after role-send-out...by your logic you would be one of the ones to look at, as you are a late poster(relatively) to claim villager...just stating. I dont want to share the list either, it has many thoughts on it i dare not share about people yet.

Round 3: Roles...what are you expecting this game?

[hoopsguy]

I'm not for/against mckerney for any game-related reasons. But I believe this is his first werewolf game. And if all other things are equal (they rarely are) I avoid voting for a first-timer on Day 1. The game is more fun for me playing with new/different people because I don't bring past game issues into evaluating them and because having a bigger base of people playing werewolf helps ensure future games. Same logic applies for Spleen and Celeval at this point, which is why I didn't go after them as Day 1 votes.

[Blade6119]

I'll be around, on and off, most of the day.

Blade, if you are a garden-variety survivor, then you can probably guess the other reason why I don't think it would be particularly cool for people to try and elaborate on their PMs. I don't want to spell it out and help the "others" with this message, but people who are survivors may be able to start building trust based on this non-reveal of a PM.
I understand...as ive stated in past games usually the places im talking about looking at aren't the real places im looking...funny how that works out, eh?

[Blade6119]

I'm not for/against mckerney for any game-related reasons. But I believe this is his first werewolf game. And if all other things are equal (they rarely are) I avoid voting for a first-timer on Day 1. The game is more fun for me playing with new/different people because I don't bring past game issues into evaluating them and because having a bigger base of people playing werewolf helps ensure future games. Same logic applies for Spleen and Celeval at this point, which is why I didn't go after them as Day 1 votes.
I thought i remembered celeval from past games...i agree with you on your other points. But you can also admit where suspicion could drawn from such comments

[Raiders Army]

Just posting quickly here. I have to get this memo done this morning (due at 1100). Will post some thoughts after I get it done (I'm about halfway done).

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I recognize by my "survivor" logic that I'm in the list to take a long look at.

Realistically, I'm OK with an early exit from this one. I'll put it out there right now - I have no special role. If the "others" kill me it means that our specials are living another day. If the survivors lynch me, then at least we haven't taken out a seer, a doctor, a bodyguard, etc.

That doesn't mean that I want to die early. I'll play actively as long as I'm in the game.

Roles that are probably in the game:
1.) Seer - has there ever been a game that didn't involve some version of the seer?
2.) Bodyguard - sounds like there are a couple of good candidates from the cast descriptions
3.) Turncoat - same deal as bodyguard
4.) Witness - if we do have a 16/4/1 ratio then the survivors probably need some more powerful roles like this. Alternate would be to avoid having a brutal or cunning wolf - just ordinary wolf roles, I suppose.


All of this is really, really speculative.

For the "Lost" fans, is there anyone on the show that would fit neatly into the "Duke" role?

[Blade6119]

Blade, I recognize by my "survivor" logic that I'm in the list to take a long look at.

Realistically, I'm OK with an early exit from this one. I'll put it out there right now - I have no special role. If the "others" kill me it means that our specials are living another day. If the survivors lynch me, then at least we haven't taken out a seer, a doctor, a bodyguard, etc.

That doesn't mean that I want to die early. I'll play actively as long as I'm in the game.

Roles that are probably in the game:
1.) Seer - has there ever been a game that didn't involve some version of the seer?
2.) Bodyguard - sounds like there are a couple of good candidates from the cast descriptions
3.) Turncoat - same deal as bodyguard
4.) Witness - if we do have a 16/4/1 ratio then the survivors probably need some more powerful roles like this. Alternate would be to avoid having a brutal or cunning wolf - just ordinary wolf roles, I suppose.


All of this is really, really speculative.

For the "Lost" fans, is there anyone on the show that would fit neatly into the "Duke" role?
This may not be fair, but since barkeep(it was barkeep, right?) assited on both yours and ardents rule sets, is there any ideas you might have from advice he gave you?

As for roles, if there i a korean hitman on the island we must have an assasin...sounds like the kid has mental powers(seer), and prob. one of the big guys(bodyguard)...turncoat i doubt actually, but possible...there is most likely also a (whats it called) role where they can check validity of statements...with all the hints(numbers, hatch, bunker) maybe we have a role that can "decode clues"

[Blade6119]

Just posting quickly here. I have to get this memo done this morning (due at 1100). Will post some thoughts after I get it done (I'm about halfway done).
memo, huh? Is that a memo to you "other" buddies? I knew it!!! WE CAUGHT HIM IN A SLIP-UP!!! ;)

[hoopsguy]

I've deleted the PMs that I had sent with Barkeep. But the majority of our conversation was about how to balance out the teams, not with the construction of new rules. I already had a pretty complete set of rules laid out.

For example, I had the bodyguard dying if he guarded a ninja. He said that was too harsh, so I pulled it back to blinded (loss of powers). Those were the kinds of changes that came out of our conversation. I do remember him saying at the time that my set was farther along than Ardents ... it sounded like he was just moving out of the concept phase and starting to flesh out rules with Ardent.

Bottom line - I don't think there is anything of value that I can provide from that perspective.

[Alan T]

Hmmm, day 1 is always fun. I think people are probably right that the bolded numbers arent going to be a clue for us to know who to vote off on day 1. It sounds like from what you all say, those numbers have a different significance and Ardent likely was just having some fun..

With that said though, hey its day 1, and I don't really have much better to go on so... someone who is bolded AND hasnt checked in yet...
Vote Mr. Wednesday

Had to be done! :)

[hoopsguy]

Noop was just in the thread - maybe I should change my vote to him?

Seriously, I was just laughing very hard about voting for a guy in the game. If I was Taz I would have left me sitting on it all day and came on after night stuff was in to bust my balls up and down for this:p

[Blade6119]

I'll put it out there right now - I have no special role.
As much as it pisses me off im not an "other" either...im honestly wondering if GMs actively make me a non-wolf...its like they dont want me to have fun...ive actually begun and indian dance ritual i call "rain evil please." its really getting annoying...hell, i bet sun is a wolf again...hes a wolf every damn game...sun always taking my spot :rolleyes:

YOU HEAR THAT ARDENT!!! IM ON TO YOUR GAME!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek: :eek: ;)

[Blade6119]

I've deleted the PMs that I had sent with Barkeep. But the majority of our conversation was about how to balance out the teams, not with the construction of new rules. I already had a pretty complete set of rules laid out.

For example, I had the bodyguard dying if he guarded a ninja. He said that was too harsh, so I pulled it back to blinded (loss of powers). Those were the kinds of changes that came out of our conversation. I do remember him saying at the time that my set was farther along than Ardents ... it sounded like he was just moving out of the concept phase and starting to flesh out rules with Ardent.

Bottom line - I don't think there is anything of value that I can provide from that perspective.
That whole post tells me two very important things...That was waste of my time to read that and your your usual damn moral self :)

Round god knows what, i dont remember: Wolf roles...you didnt meantion any guesses...care to enlighten me?

[spleen1015]

Blow me, Bob Barker! I can't believe the Australian trip I won on The Price Is Right led me to be involved in a plane crash!

Has anyone seen my wife Meredith? Oh my God! A PLANE CRASH!! MEREDITH! WHERE ARE YOU!!!

[spleen1015]

Dola,

Survivor checking in...

[Bearcat729]

Blade, I recognize by my "survivor" logic that I'm in the list to take a long look at.

Realistically, I'm OK with an early exit from this one. I'll put it out there right now - I have no special role. If the "others" kill me it means that our specials are living another day. If the survivors lynch me, then at least we haven't taken out a seer, a doctor, a bodyguard, etc.

That doesn't mean that I want to die early. I'll play actively as long as I'm in the game.

Roles that are probably in the game:
1.) Seer - has there ever been a game that didn't involve some version of the seer?
2.) Bodyguard - sounds like there are a couple of good candidates from the cast descriptions
3.) Turncoat - same deal as bodyguard
4.) Witness - if we do have a 16/4/1 ratio then the survivors probably need some more powerful roles like this. Alternate would be to avoid having a brutal or cunning wolf - just ordinary wolf roles, I suppose.


All of this is really, really speculative.

For the "Lost" fans, is there anyone on the show that would fit neatly into the "Duke" role?


What is the Duke role?

[Raiders Army]

That said, if there was someone with a bolded number that I would vote for initially it would be Raiders. Post #108 he conveniently doesn't mention that he has one of the bolded numbers while giving his defense of not voting for the bolded numbers.

As for not mentioning it, I think it is probably worth noting but there is also a chance those people are holding special roles or just didn't feel like jumping on the "I'm a survivor" bandwagon. If you were playing the role of "Others" wouldn't you want to get in on the "survivor" tag early after a couple of people already did? If I was going to take a closer look at anything in this vein, I think that is where I would start.
Well first, I hope you're on the level, because if not we're in a world of hurt since you're a dangerous player. Second, I didn't mention I was one of the bolded numbers because it was already stated by Blade on the previous page when he asked mckerney which bolded person he should switch his vote to; I didn't feel a need to re-state the obvious.

I think that there is a possibility that many people understand at this point that Survivor equates to villager...so I'm not sure if we can trust people who say they're a survivor. Then again, that's not to say that people who came on later and say it aren't survivors either.

[Raiders Army]

For the "Lost" fans, is there anyone on the show that would fit neatly into the "Duke" role?
Maybe Jack, maybe Locke, possibly Sawyer now that he has the guns. I'm not sure if that helps at all, since they're more of a society with an informal leader, Jack, whom everyone at least listens to. Locke seems to be slowly ingratiating himself with all of the survivors in different ways so he could be a Duke character. Finally, with Wednesday night's episode, Sawyer has all of the survivors' guns, so he could really be a Duke-like character.

As I said before, I'm not sure how that helps.

[SnDvls]

What is the Duke role?

Someone who can change the voting results.


I'll be in and out all day so to make sure I get a vote in.

Vote Gramm

more than willing to move it once I hear more, but wanted to get a vote in.

[Raiders Army]

What is the Duke role?
Normally the Duke has the power to change the vote to someone else. We're voting to lynch someone (hopefully an other). If the Duke is going to get lynched, doesn't like it or wants to lynch someone else, he can. It is a one-time "special ability", so once the Duke does that, he's just a normal survivor. At least that's what it was in the past. There are always different twists to each game.

[spleen1015]

Do you guys take notes about this stuff or just keep it in memory.

[saldana]

memory

[saldana]

as usual, i got nothin on day one, so since i owe him

vote alant (and his damn throwing knife)

[Alan T]

as usual, i got nothin on day one, so since i owe him

vote alant (and his damn throwing knife)


lol, I knew this was coming :)

[saldana]

Dola ...

VOTE TAZFTW

Sorry about that - getting rusty as a player after not participating in the last couple. Sheesh.


Best. WW. Post. Ever. :D

[Raiders Army]

Do you guys take notes about this stuff or just keep it in memory.
I can't remember.

[Poli]

Y'all realise that I'm not in this game, right?I do. Your body is buried next to Coffee Warlord's.

[Poli]

I'd like to say there are X number of players in this game that need to clean out some space in their PM box.

Thank you. :p

[hoopsguy]

I usually jot a couple of notes down. I know that there are some players who use Excel spreadsheets (Desnudo published his last game) to track the information.

As the games get bigger, I usually will record post numbers like the final lynch one so I can more easily find it later if I want to look for clues or review final votes.

Perhaps next game I should have a list of the active players at the outset of the game. Could help me avoid looking like an asshat ...

[Celeval]

[In-game]

Survivor checking in. WTF was that. Oh, and you guys all remember me from the airport before we left, right? RIGHT?

[Meta-game]

Yeah, so this is my first game. Is there a primer in one of the other threads for what the various roles are and (typically) can do? Votes for who to target are posted, bolded?

[hoopsguy]

A rundown of some of the standard roles - no idea if they are in this game or not.

Seer - once per night can view another players role

Bodyguard - can designate one player per night to protect from wolves

Duke - can change the votes once per game

Doctor - kind of similar to bodyguard, designate a player to protect and has a chance (sometimes 100%) to save that player from death

Witness - can view a night kill once per game

Turncoat - if the wolves attack him he joins their side for remainder of game.

Assassin - can elect to kill another player once per game (night action).


Brutal Wolf - if this wolf is lynched they can designate one player to take out with them

Cunning Wolf - will appear as villager if lynched

In some games the wolves have the ability to convert, although that is usually restricted to once per game or once over a lengthy period of days.



That is a summary of a few of the roles that have made multiple appearances. There are a number of variants off of these, as well as some less common roles (lovers as one example, wolf seer as another). Sometimes there is a third faction (serial killer). Lots of different ways to tweak the roles, but the moderator generally strives for balanced sides.

[Celeval]

Good stuff, thanks. Seems like there are some good analogies to be made to Lost here (I apologize in advance if I'm out of date - I've got three episodes waiting on my DVR, so I'm behind).


Seer - once per night can view another players role
We could probably argue that Walt is a Seer, given the typical definition of the term, but this may be a better fit for Anna Lucia (figured out who the other was on camp 2), or Mr. Echo (trusts the Camp 1 guys). Hurley could also apply here, since he was the one who found the manifest.


Bodyguard - can designate one player per night to protect from wolves

Also a possibility for Echo or could be Charlie (protecting Claire in season one... somewhat unsuccessfully).


Duke - can change the votes once per game
Not entirely sure.


Doctor - kind of similar to bodyguard, designate a player to protect and has a chance (sometimes 100%) to save that player from death

Jack. Any other gimmees out there?


Witness - can view a night kill once per game

Dunno.


Turncoat - if the wolves attack him he joins their side for remainder of game.

There's been a previous suggestion of Hurley, and that tells me I need to get up to date on my viewing. :-D Could actually be Ian (I think? What was the name of the first "Other"?), or Locke (given his trust of the island).


Assassin - can elect to kill another player once per game (night action).
I'm completely blanking on the name, but I don't think this is the Korean guy - he wasn't exactly a willing participant in the organized crime bit. Could be Charlie (killed Ian), or Anna Lucia (killed the camp 2 other).

Thoughts?

[Celeval]

Dola... not knowing about what the Lovers do, there are plenty of candidates:

Michael & Walt
The wife in camp 2 and her husband in camp 1
Sayid and Shannon
Sun and her husband
Kate/Jack/Sawyer/Anna Lucia/whoever

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE MCKERNEY
VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I dont know, but i think hoops was trying to hint at something with his mckerney/raiders comments...i could be far off, but since i have no idea who is what or even what roles are out there ill follow my "wingman's" ideas for now...im still at an utter loss of direction, so dont listen to any logic i spute out till i say so

[Blade6119]

Dola, he did vote for taz though, so im actually prob. following the wrong person(his vote is on tangle right now, not raiders...i just dont want to start a bandwagon)

[hoopsguy]

I'm fine with the vote, but I have no information that I'm hinting at in this case.
1.) Day 1 - as far as I know even people with roles have yet to obtain information as a result
2.) I have no special role
3.) I haven't caught Raiders in some kind of logic trap.

Wish we did have that kind of info ...

Also, I had mentioned earlier that I thought that Blade, as the first to indicate that he was a "survivor" was higher on my trust list. I want to make sure that someone reading that does not take this as an absolute trust. I know what my PM said about my role. Blade, as the first to use the term "survivor", resonated with my PM and moved up the trust list. But it is entirely possible that an "other" got a PM stating that their objective was to eliminate "survivors". Or something along those lines.

Long story short - there is no absolute trust this early in the game. Just relative levels, with not much separation between "high" and "low" at the moment.

[Alan T]

With no night 0, I'm just going under the impression that no one really has any information on anyone else. I find the discussion and actions on day 1 interesting to follow. I tend to watch for who is more willing, or less willing to start a bandwagon, who is more or less willing to throw the first vote. I also am finding the topics good to follow since I do not know much about the show, what people are saying is helping me a little more with how it all fits together. The main reason I have my vote on someone who hasn't showed up yet is simply they aren't giving us any information (at least of yet) for future rounds.

[hoopsguy]

So far I show 5 votes for 5 different people:

Tanglewood - Hoopsguy (121)
Mr. Wednesday - Alan T (138)
Grammaticus - SnDvls (147)
Alan T - Saldana (151)
RaidersArmy - Blade (162)

[Grammaticus]

RA pretty much mirrored my thoughts on the question over the duke role. There seemed to be a lot of anxiety over who had a gun or guns. Sawyer the con man thief palmed a guy and shot a charging boar in season one. Everyone got freaked out that he had a gun and there was obvious tension until they took the gun away from him (or took the bullets). Then Sawyer and Kate found a case of guns in the lagoon. Then Said took a gun without a firing pin from the French lady. Then they found guns in the hatch ( I think, didn’t see a lot of season 2 episodes, but there are more guns). Charley and Locke put the guns in the hatch safe so no one could get them. Bottom line is everyone has been fearful of whoever has guns. So I too thought a Duke role made sense out of that. The most logical character would be Locke, but Sawyer fits the bill too. Third may be Charlie as he is the most likely to be viewed as a leader and have the ability to really influence others.

BTW, Echo is the only one that scares the crap out of everyone without guns. He can just look at anyone and they pee their pants. He does not run from the security system beast. I believe he stood still and looked at it nose to nose so to speak and the security system (looks like a blurry black mist) just looked back for a few seconds and then snaked away from him. Echo seems to have some extra protection as he also eluded death in an escape effort during a drug run. He was dressed as a priest and his brother (real priest) got shot in his place. He escaped by assuming the role of his brother the priest.

Walt makes the best possibility of a turncoat as the others have his son and he would do anything to save him, even put the good guys in danger.

[Grammaticus]

I’m going with a random vote. Want to get a vote in, nothing that has to be final. Subject to change and all that good stuff.

VOTE DESMOND

[Raiders Army]

UNVOTE MCKERNEY
VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I dont know, but i think hoops was trying to hint at something with his mckerney/raiders comments...i could be far off, but since i have no idea who is what or even what roles are out there ill follow my "wingman's" ideas for now...im still at an utter loss of direction, so dont listen to any logic i spute out till i say so
Why pick me out of the bolded people when you weren't suspicious before? That makes you pop up on my radar now. Out of the few of us, Wednesday hasn't shown, so it would be more appropriate to vote for him since I'm at least around and can contribute. saldana didn't say anything about being bolded and mckerney is laying low now.

[spleen1015]

I assume voting for myself is illegal?

Like everyone else, I don't have a vote to make, so I figure I would avoid pissing someone off.

[Alan T]

I assume voting for myself is illegal?

Like everyone else, I don't have a vote to make, so I figure I would avoid pissing someone off.


No you -could- vote for yourself, its allowed.. just not sure why you would want to. :) Most people on day 1 just assume there is a chance they'll get a vote. Its nothing personal, just day 1.

[hoopsguy]

Spleen, you can feel free to vote for yourself. It has been done from time to time in past games. Not sure if it has ever happened on Day 1, but whatever works for you.

If one of yours goals for werewolf is to avoid pissing someone off then it is going to be interesting seeing how this unfolds for you ...

[spleen1015]

Spleen, you can feel free to vote for yourself. It has been done from time to time in past games. Not sure if it has ever happened on Day 1, but whatever works for you.

If one of yours goals for werewolf is to avoid pissing someone off then it is going to be interesting seeing how this unfolds for you ...

I'm sure I'll be pissing people off. I just don't want to do it on Day 1.

Any volunteers for my vote? :D

[Bearcat729]

BTW, Echo is the only one that scares the crap out of everyone without guns. He can just look at anyone and they pee their pants. He does not run from the security system beast. I believe he stood still and looked at it nose to nose so to speak and the security system (looks like a blurry black mist) just looked back for a few seconds and then snaked away from him. Echo seems to have some extra protection as he also eluded death in an escape effort during a drug run.



The security system on the island judges people. It judged Locke to begin with and decided not to try and mess with him at first. It later would try to attack him. It judged Eko and decided that he was just too much of a badass to mess with at that time.

[Blade6119]

I'm sure I'll be pissing people off. I just don't want to do it on Day 1.

Any volunteers for my vote? :D
As long as it doesnt get me lynched ill be a team player...ive already voted for two people, so i guess i deserve one back...but please remove it if i get in trouble later

[Blade6119]

Why pick me out of the bolded people when you weren't suspicious before? That makes you pop up on my radar now. Out of the few of us, Wednesday hasn't shown, so it would be more appropriate to vote for him since I'm at least around and can contribute. saldana didn't say anything about being bolded and mckerney is laying low now.
Hoops said you would be the one he voted for subtly...just seemed odd at the time...im a little "lost" ;) (im corny, i know) as to who is what this game...i dont have any special role and i dont know what the special roles may be...so for now i follow the player i respect most of all WW players...he mentioned you as a potential canidate but went in a different direction. i dont want a bandwagon to give the others an easy vote, so i picked you. You are a number, and hoops picked you....

TO BE FAIR: He said he had nothing on you after the vote...and your not in any danger right now, so id relax and take it for what it is...my random vote

[Desnudo]

A rundown of some of the standard roles - no idea if they are in this game or not.

Seer - once per night can view another players role

Bodyguard - can designate one player per night to protect from wolves

Duke - can change the votes once per game

Doctor - kind of similar to bodyguard, designate a player to protect and has a chance (sometimes 100%) to save that player from death

Witness - can view a night kill once per game

Turncoat - if the wolves attack him he joins their side for remainder of game.

Assassin - can elect to kill another player once per game (night action).


Brutal Wolf - if this wolf is lynched they can designate one player to take out with them

Cunning Wolf - will appear as villager if lynched

In some games the wolves have the ability to convert, although that is usually restricted to once per game or once over a lengthy period of days.



That is a summary of a few of the roles that have made multiple appearances. There are a number of variants off of these, as well as some less common roles (lovers as one example, wolf seer as another). Sometimes there is a third faction (serial killer). Lots of different ways to tweak the roles, but the moderator generally strives for balanced sides.

IIRC, the "cunning wolf" role might be invisible to seer scans, but would appear as a wolf if lynched. At least that's what the ninja was last time.

[Raiders Army]

Gotcha. No problem. Right now I have no candidates either, other than I know hoops is probably the most dangerous person playing the game right now. Whether he's dangerous for the others or dangerous for the survivors, I don't know.

[Blade6119]

Gotcha. No problem. Right now I have no candidates either, other than I know hoops is probably the most dangerous person playing the game right now. Whether he's dangerous for the others or dangerous for the survivors, I don't know.
I figured tonight might clear that up...sounds bad, but if hes not an other he should be the top target...but then the bodyguard becomes a factor...and the dance begins :p

For real, if hes good he should be attacked tonight(i would if i was an other)...so im giving him the benefit of the doubt today and looking at others.

[spleen1015]

Can someone explain the night and day thing to me?

[Bearcat729]

My thoughts so far outside of explaining the Lost universe....


I'm don't think that the numbers equal anything. It just doesn't make sense to me that AE would set up something so obvious. Something I did notice while looking over the list is that we have someone playing the game who shares the name of a character on the show(Desmond). It's the first day so I'm not sure who to vote for, but I'm going to go ahead and cast a vote for someone who hasn't spoken up yet Vote Mr. Wednesday

[spleen1015]

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

This vote is strictly because he hasn't spoken up yet and I don't know what my availability will be later tonight. I need to get a vote cast just in case.

[saldana]

Why pick me out of the bolded people when you weren't suspicious before? That makes you pop up on my radar now. Out of the few of us, Wednesday hasn't shown, so it would be more appropriate to vote for him since I'm at least around and can contribute. saldana didn't say anything about being bolded and mckerney is laying low now.

uh, yes i did, way back when the topic came up the first time, i told blade what the numbers were for at the same time as about 3 other people

[hoopsguy]

Time for a 2nd "Top Gun" reference in this thread ..

"That's right, Ice-Man (er, Raiders Army). I am dangerous".

I'll play as long as the survivors and others allow me to. I hope to be around tomorrow, but if there is a bodyguard out there I would ask them to guard someone else. I would like to see the special survivor roles live longer and I'm fine with being the sacrificial lamb if that is the way the "others" decide to go.

Looks like Mr. Wednesday is the first person to get multiple votes.

[saldana]

the day and night phases are for the actions of the game. during the day, we vote to lynch someone, and usually there arent any secret role actions....we are all able to post on the board and until the vote is final, nothing really happens, and then the moderator posts the results of the day, usually letting us know if we lynched a good guy or bad guy. during the night, all the players with secret roles get to PM the moderator with their actions...the seer decides who to view, the bodyguard gets to protect, the wolves get to eat someone, etc, and they are told the results by PM, and then the moderator posts in the morning about all the things that happenend during the night. you can still post all you want during the night, but if night actually occurs during the night, (sometimes a game night takes place during a real day), it is usually more quiet in the thread.

[spleen1015]

the day and night phases are for the actions of the game. during the day, we vote to lynch someone, and usually there arent any secret role actions....we are all able to post on the board and until the vote is final, nothing really happens, and then the moderator posts the results of the day, usually letting us know if we lynched a good guy or bad guy. during the night, all the players with secret roles get to PM the moderator with their actions...the seer decides who to view, the bodyguard gets to protect, the wolves get to eat someone, etc, and they are told the results by PM, and then the moderator posts in the morning about all the things that happenend during the night. you can still post all you want during the night, but if night actually occurs during the night, (sometimes a game night takes place during a real day), it is usually more quiet in the thread.

Thanks! I appreciate it!

[Raiders Army]

uh, yes i did, way back when the topic came up the first time, i told blade what the numbers were for at the same time as about 3 other people
I sit corrected.

[Raiders Army]

VOTE Mr. Wednesday

This vote is strictly because he hasn't spoken up yet and I don't know what my availability will be later tonight. I need to get a vote cast just in case.
Please don't edit your posts. The reason behind this is because we need to look back and see what people said. If it's altered, even for a typo, then we don't get the "true" picture.

[hoopsguy]

During night actions some participants get a little gun-shy about giving the "wolves" a reason to eat them. Plus they know that more information will be available in the morning after night actions are completed, be it because of night kills or information revealed the next day by "villagers" with night actions that they choose to reveal.

The day phase usually builds in intensity (as measured by volume of posts) up until the lynch time.

[KWhit]

VOTE RPI-FAN

Just getting a vote out there. I don't want to jump on Mr. Wednesday, but I like my day 1 vote to be for someone who's been fairly inactive. RPI fits the bill so far. I have no other reason to vote for anyone at this point, so this is basically random and will change if I see anyone who looks suspicious.

[spleen1015]

Please don't edit your posts. The reason behind this is because we need to look back and see what people said. If it's altered, even for a typo, then we don't get the "true" picture.

Okay. I apologize. That makes sense and didn't occur to me.

I changed has to hasn't in that post.

Sorry again.

[hoopsguy]

The "edit" issue on posts is especially true for posts that include a vote. Editing posts is generally frowned upon, but it becomes a much bigger deal on vote posts from a moderator point-of-view.

Not trying to browbeat an issue, just explain a game mechanic for a few of the newer players that are in this game.

[Grammaticus]

RA pretty much mirrored my thoughts on the question over the duke role. There seemed to be a lot of anxiety over who had a gun or guns. Sawyer the con man thief palmed a guy and shot a charging boar in season one. Everyone got freaked out that he had a gun and there was obvious tension until they took the gun away from him (or took the bullets). Then Sawyer and Kate found a case of guns in the lagoon. Then Said took a gun without a firing pin from the French lady. Then they found guns in the hatch ( I think, didn’t see a lot of season 2 episodes, but there are more guns). Charley and Locke put the guns in the hatch safe so no one could get them. Bottom line is everyone has been fearful of whoever has guns. So I too thought a Duke role made sense out of that. The most logical character would be Locke, but Sawyer fits the bill too. Third may be Charlie as he is the most likely to be viewed as a leader and have the ability to really influence others.

BTW, Echo is the only one that scares the crap out of everyone without guns. He can just look at anyone and they pee their pants. He does not run from the security system beast. I believe he stood still and looked at it nose to nose so to speak and the security system (looks like a blurry black mist) just looked back for a few seconds and then snaked away from him. Echo seems to have some extra protection as he also eluded death in an escape effort during a drug run. He was dressed as a priest and his brother (real priest) got shot in his place. He escaped by assuming the role of his brother the priest.

Walt makes the best possibility of a turncoat as the others have his son and he would do anything to save him, even put the good guys in danger.
Okay, when I put down Walt, I meant his dad. When indicated Charley, I meant Jack. Problem for me is the actor who plays Jack, played a character named Charley on party of five. I always think of him as that goober.

[Raiders Army]

A little analysis of activity thus far:

Mr. Wednesday is the only player not to check in. He also hasn't been on FOFC since 5:30 PM EST yesterday, which was well before the game started.

The order of appearance in the thread after Day 1 began was:

1. Blade6119
2. mckerney
3. Schmidty
4. Bearcat729
5. hoopsguy
6. tanglewood
7. Alan T
8. pennywisesb
9. kingfc22
10. Kwhit
11. SnDvls
12. saldana
13. RPI-Fan
14. Desnudo
15. Grammaticus
16. Swaggs
17. Desmond
18. Raiders Army
19. spleen1015
20. Celeval

Of these people Schmidty, tanglewood, RPI-Fan, Swaggs, and Desmond did nothing except say they were checking in. Everyone else has at least one more post.

[saldana]

since we do seem to have a handful of fresh new players, i think it would be a good idea also to point out that you are not allowed to post a complete PM from the moderator in the thread (hi schmidty ;)) and villagers are not allowed to PM each other during the game, but wolves can PM all they want

[saldana]

A little analysis of activity thus far:

Mr. Wednesday is the only player not to check in. He also hasn't been on FOFC since 5:30 PM EST yesterday, which was well before the game started.

The order of appearance in the thread after Day 1 began was:

1. Blade6119
2. mckerney
3. Schmidty
4. Bearcat729
5. hoopsguy
6. tanglewood
7. Alan T
8. pennywisesb
9. kingfc22
10. Kwhit
11. SnDvls
12. saldana
13. RPI-Fan
14. Desnudo
15. Grammaticus
16. Swaggs
17. Desmond
18. Raiders Army
19. spleen1015
20. Celeval

Of these people Schmidty, tanglewood, RPI-Fan, Swaggs, and Desmond did nothing except say they were checking in. Everyone else has at least one more post.


not to defend Mr. W. but i didnt know the game started either, i didnt think we were starting until monday, which is why my first post checking in was so abrupt. he may not even know the game is on.

[saldana]

dola, i am out for work until about 8:30 eastern, at which time i will be watching bob and katie pretend they know anything about the winter olympics for 4 hours, so i will be back before the vote.

[spleen1015]

not to defend Mr. W. but i didnt know the game started either, i didnt think we were starting until monday, which is why my first post checking in was so abrupt. he may not even know the game is on.

I thought we were starting on Monday as well, but we were also told we could start early if signups came quickly.

He could also be busy. The game started last night after I was out for the night and I was unable to respond until this morning. So, he may just be out of the loop.

[Celeval]

He could also be busy. The game started last night after I was out for the night and I was unable to respond until this morning. So, he may just be out of the loop.This is true for me as well - I was traveling last night (flying... heh), and if I hadn't been working from home today, might not have checked the forum and saw the activity.

[Desnudo]

I think Mr. W is more of a night poster.

[Raiders Army]

I think Mr. W is more of a night poster.
For some reason, I read that as "I think Mr. W is more of a bed wetter."

Anyhow, I agree with the above and I was surprised the game started already...which is why I looked up his profile and it said that he hasn't been on since 5:30 PM EST last night. FWIW, in the past he has been helpful (to wolves and villagers alike), so I would say we should cut him some slack with the Day 1 votes. If he's inactive for a second day, one of the alternates can step in. I would hate to possibly lynch our seer just because he didn't know the game was starting.

[Celeval]

Is a lynching necessary every stage?

[Desnudo]

For some reason, I read that as "I think Mr. W is more of a bed wetter."

Anyhow, I agree with the above and I was surprised the game started already...which is why I looked up his profile and it said that he hasn't been on since 5:30 PM EST last night. FWIW, in the past he has been helpful (to wolves and villagers alike), so I would say we should cut him some slack with the Day 1 votes. If he's inactive for a second day, one of the alternates can step in. I would hate to possibly lynch our seer just because he didn't know the game was starting.

Maybe you saw it as night pisser? Either that, or I think you have some latent problems from childhood you need to address.

[Desnudo]

Is a lynching necessary every stage?

Technically yes, although in a tie vote, there's a possibility that no one will be killed, depending on the rules. In reality, it's better to lynch someone, even a villager, every night in order to establish behavioural patterns.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe you saw it as night pisser? Either that, or I think you have some latent problems from childhood you need to address.
Childhood??? Who's talking about childhood. I had this dream last night....

[Desnudo]

They don't 4F you for being a bed wetter?

[Grammaticus]

Yeah, I could not take much more of watching Jerry Rice dance, so I had to retreat to the computer and eventually noticed the game was on. We’ll probably hear from Mr. Wed before too long.

[Schmidty]

As much as it pisses me off im not an "other" either...im honestly wondering if GMs actively make me a non-wolf...its like they dont want me to have fun...ive actually begun and indian dance ritual i call "rain evil please." its really getting annoying...hell, i bet sun is a wolf again...hes a wolf every damn game...sun always taking my spot :rolleyes:

*yawn* Same old, same old. :)

Vote Blade6119

This is nothing personal, it's just that there's nothing to go on, and statements like the one you made annoy me. Of course you're going to say that you have no special role, but I've always thought that to be a pointless ploy. Also, are people supposed to believe you just because you go cuckoo, or as you called it ealier - "fake-angry Blade stuff"?

[SnDvls]

I forgot a character in my original post. If you haven't watched the most recent Lost on 2-8-06 SPOILER ALERT!!

Bernard (was in the tail married to Rose he is a dentist. While not a doctor like Jack he does have some medical training.)

might mean something in the future might me jack squat.

[Swaggs]

I'll be leaving for the evening shortly, so I need to vote soon.

Since, this is a crapshoot anyway, I'm going to Vote Blade6119. I am always a little suspicious of the person who is accusatory so early.

[kingfc22]

Looks like we still don't have a lot to go on. Does anyone have an updated vote count?

[hoopsguy]

Was working on the votes just now, King. Here is what I have:

Tanglewood - Hoopsguy (121)
Mr. Wednesday - Alan T (138), Spleen (182)
Grammaticus - SnDvls (147)
Alan T - Saldana (151)
RaidersArmy - Blade (162)
Desmond - Grammaticus (168)
RPI-Fan - KWhit (190)
Blade - Schimdty (208), Swaggs (210)

So 10 votes are in up to this point, leaving 11 who have not voted.

[kingfc22]

Personally I like two horse or three horse races since it narrows down voting patterns later in the game.

So for now:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Alan T]

Was working on the votes just now, King. Here is what I have:

Tanglewood - Hoopsguy (121)
Mr. Wednesday - Alan T (138), Spleen (182)
Grammaticus - SnDvls (147)
Alan T - Saldana (151)
RaidersArmy - Blade (162)
Desmond - Grammaticus (168)
RPI-Fan - KWhit (190)
Blade - Schimdty (208), Swaggs (210)

So 10 votes are in up to this point, leaving 11 who have not voted.

Mr. Wednesday has a 3rd vote from Bearcat in (181) as well.

[SnDvls]

If anyone knows how to contact Mr. W out of game do it. As it seems he's going to get hung without even signing on. I'd like to hear a little out of him.

[hoopsguy]

Good catch, Alan T. Thanks.

MrW (3)
Blade (2), Raiders (2)
Bunch with (1)

I'm tempted to move my vote off of Tanglewood to see what happens when turning the heat up on one of the vote leaders, but my reasons for initially voting Tanglewood have not changed (quiet player, doesn't provide much surface area to evaluate if good/bad).

[Raiders Army]

Personally I like two horse or three horse races since it narrows down voting patterns later in the game.

So for now:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY
Well, that's two votes for me. I think Blade explained himself as to why he voted for me, but you didn't. I have nothing else to go on except for the fact that I know I'm a survivor and you voted for a survivor with no explanation. So my response to you is:

VOTE KINGFC22

[Raiders Army]

dola, I also did an activity analysis and have posted quite a bit about my thoughts, so I'm not sure why you voted for me.

You, on the other hand, have contributed very little.

[kingfc22]

I voted for you for a combo of reasons.

1) Day 1 is always random
2) I already stated that I would probably vote for someone with a bolded number
3) I also stated that I like creating 2-3 horse races so that it narrows down the voting pattern.

[Raiders Army]

I voted for you for a combo of reasons.

1) Day 1 is always random
2) I already stated that I would probably vote for someone with a bolded number
3) I also stated that I like creating 2-3 horse races so that it narrows down the voting pattern.
Understood.

[pennywisesb]

Day one sucks. I hate just casting meaningless votes out there. I can't pinpoint any one thing that has stood out so far from anyone, so I'm going to put off my vote until later.

[Desmond]

Sorry guys, didn't expect to get so swamped at work today.

Seeing as how I have very little to go on and am also intrigued by the bolded guys, Im gonna throw my vote in for Mr. W as well.

Vote Mr. Wednesday

Im not sure that being bolded means anything, but I think we'll know for sure if we can expect any kind of action/reaction from them by voting one of them out first.

[Mr. Wednesday]

All roles have been sent. Please verify you were onboard Oceanic Airlines Flight 815. Confirmed.

[hoopsguy]

Welcome to the party, Mr. W. Lets see if you can move a few of those votes in the next 4 hours.

[Mr. Wednesday]

FWIW... I'm not a bad guy. I might be bolded because I'm unlucky, I dunno. Or maybe ardent is just trying to mess with you... I mean, really, what would you expect your GM to do? :p

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't really like trying to vote out one of the two folks who currently have two, so...

RPI-Fan always gets on me at some point, so I'm going to give him a good reason.
Vote RPI-Fan

[Poli]

Sorry guys, didn't expect to get so swamped at work today.

Seeing as how I have very little to go on and am also intrigued by the bolded guys, Im gonna throw my vote in for Mr. Wednesday as well.

Im not sure that being bolded means anything, but I think we'll know for sure if we can expect any kind of action/reaction from them by voting one of them out first.
This wasn't included in the rules, and that's my fault.

I'd appreciate in the future to have

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

or

Unvote Ardent Enthusiast

Thank you.

[Raiders Army]

It's quiet...too quiet.

[Poli]

I've already been beat out of my dola.

However, I would like to know the thoughts of the players regarding the weekend.

We could
1. Play through the weekend.
2. Play extended hours through the weekend.
3. Start up again on Monday. Night actions would be complete and posted as soon as received.

I'm up for any of the above.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm not sure I'll be back by 9 pm CST... I think it's very dangerous to assume anything particularly about people who are bolded. Off the top of my head, it could mean that one or more is a bad guy, or that one or more has has some sort of "cursed" special role that would help the bad guys. However, it could also mean that one or more has some sort of special role that would help the good guys. Or it could just mean, as I noted above, that ardent is trying to mess with us.

If I'm going to get wrongfully lynched here, hopefully you'll learn something useful from my death. I doubt it's going to help us win.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'll post my thoughts on what I'd like for the weekend once I know whether I've survived for the weekend.

[Celeval]

I've already been beat out of my dola.

However, I would like to know the thoughts of the players regarding the weekend.

We could
1. Play through the weekend.
2. Play extended hours through the weekend.
3. Start up again on Monday. Night actions would be complete and posted as soon as received.

I'm up for any of the above.I'm good with any of those three.

I'm not really sure I have anything to go on at this point, anyway... so I'm going to

Vote Alan T

just because he's probably not going to get booted anyway. :-D

If there's a good case made for someone else, I'm listening and will probably be paying attention to the thread through 9pm, so I may swap up.

[Mr. Wednesday]

That makes me with three, plus Blade, Raiders, RPI, and Alan with two.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Short of a role reveal, you're not going to get a whole lot of good cases from anyone. And even a role reveal isn't likely to be worth it, because it'll probably get you killed overnight.

[Blade6119]

I'll be leaving for the evening shortly, so I need to vote soon.

Since, this is a crapshoot anyway, I'm going to Vote Blade6119. I am always a little suspicious of the person who is accusatory so early.
You sir, obviously, have not played many games with me...ask anyone and they would prob. tell you this is me holding back :p . But just to appease your vote:

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY
VOTE KINGFC22

I was hoping to draw king out, as i stated earlier to hoops long before i voted raiders. The look into numbers was a total bluff to see who would latch onto the idea. Wolves want a reason to vote for a villager, so when looking back they can explain their actions. My number thing gave them the perfect route. Of the two to mention liking it the most, penny and king, king followed through and did it with a vote that looks villager-ish the the naked eye. In retrospect, its exactly the vote a wolf would make. Not on the bolded person with a bandwagon, not on a person with no votes, and has every reason of being explained later on if need be.

The numbers were bolded before people even signed up, and ardent couldnt have balanced the roles until he knew how many people would sign up. Hence why i feel the idea is a total and complete scapegoat for "others"

And yes, i realize i could be far off base. I made a move to see reactions, and king obliged. Any questions?

[Blade6119]

That makes me with three, plus Blade, Raiders, RPI, and Alan with two.
make that you with 3, myself, rpi, alan, and king with 2

[Mr. Wednesday]

If nobody else moves before I leave for the night, I will make a change to my vote in the interests of self-preservation.

[Blade6119]

If nobody else moves before I leave for the night, I will make a change to my vote in the interests of self-preservation.
pray tell where might that be going? If its going to me before the deadline im going to try harder to convince people to vote for someone else...like everyone, i dont want to die on day one and if nothing changes and you swap i could.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I wasn't planning on putting it on you, actually. For better or worse, you always make things interesting, even if I don't often agree with your tactics.

[Desnudo]

You sir, obviously, have not played many games with me...ask anyone and they would prob. tell you this is me holding back :p . But just to appease your vote:

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY
VOTE KINGFC22

I was hoping to draw king out, as i stated earlier to hoops long before i voted raiders. The look into numbers was a total bluff to see who would latch onto the idea. Wolves want a reason to vote for a villager, so when looking back they can explain their actions. My number thing gave them the perfect route. Of the two to mention liking it the most, penny and king, king followed through and did it with a vote that looks villager-ish the the naked eye. In retrospect, its exactly the vote a wolf would make. Not on the bolded person with a bandwagon, not on a person with no votes, and has every reason of being explained later on if need be.

The numbers were bolded before people even signed up, and ardent couldnt have balanced the roles until he knew how many people would sign up. Hence why i feel the idea is a total and complete scapegoat for "others"

And yes, i realize i could be far off base. I made a move to see reactions, and king obliged. Any questions?

One thing missing in that logic is that what difference does it make who got slotted in to those positions or when he created them? He had them bolded and probably assumed that enough people would fill out the game to make them usuable.

Personally, I think it's a red herring, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

[hoopsguy]

I think it is actually 4 on Mr W. since I missed Bearcat's in my list earlier.

Alan T, Spleen, Bearcat, and Desmond.

I'm heading out to play some poker, don't know if I'll be online again before deadline or not. But let's heat this up a little bit ...

UNVOTE TANGLEWOOD
VOTE KINGFC22

I would have liked to have seen Tanglewood attract some votes. Mr. W attracted four votes for being bolded and not visiting the site for a few hours. Tanglewood did the obligatory "I'm here" and not much else. But I don't think that a throwaway vote on Tanglewood is forcing the "others" to play their hand today.

I'm fine with whatever hours arrangement we come up with for the weekend. I'll generally have availability on Saturday and good portions of Sunday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Unvote RPI-Fan
Vote kingfc22

Self-preservation... I'll be here about ten minutes more, then I'll be gone probably all the way through the deadline.

[Blade6119]

One thing missing in that logic is that what difference does it make who got slotted in to those positions or when he created them? He had them bolded and probably assumed that enough people would fill out the game to make them usuable.

Personally, I think it's a red herring, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
I personally believe ardent would not do that...predicated solely upon my extensive talks with ardent in the past, i can say with all certainty that the bold does not = wolf...now one or two may have been randomly assigned it, but i simply dont believe a person like ardent would make it that easy. Once one died and was shown to be an "other" it would be all too easy if that was the case...it doesnt make sense logistically...

Hence why i dont see a hole in the logic

[Blade6119]

4 on wednesday, 4 on king now if im not mistaken

[Blade6119]

Id vote for regular hours this weekend, but thats just me...outside of saturday night im currently free..if we do regular im sure i can hit 10,000 posts tomorrow ;)

[Blade6119]

and kings arrives just as mr. w leaves...should be interesting with mr. w now unable to defend himself really...i look forward to kings response

[Raiders Army]

I'm good for anything, but tomorrow I'll be out most of the day.

[kingfc22]

i can say with all certainty that the bold does not = wolf...now one or two may have been randomly assigned itSo if one is a wolf, I have a 1 in 4 chance of being right. While all the rest of the "random" votes have a 1/21 chance of being right. I'll take those odds. Also, this game is based on the show and I just don't think that the numbers would NOT play some type of role in this game.

Not on the bolded person with a bandwagonAlso you say I didn't want to put a vote on a player with a "bandwagon". I didn't know two votes was considered a bandwagon.

I asked for a count on post 211. Hoops listed them out on 212 and then I voted on 213.

[Mr. Wednesday]

It's not like I was offering a real defense of myself anyway... the only thing I could do if I were still around is do further vote shifting. If I do get back home before deadline, I'll check just to see if there's anything more I can do for myself.

[Desnudo]

I personally believe ardent would not do that...predicated solely upon my extensive talks with ardent in the past, i can say with all certainty that the bold does not = wolf...now one or two may have been randomly assigned it, but i simply dont believe a person like ardent would make it that easy. Once one died and was shown to be an "other" it would be all too easy if that was the case...it doesnt make sense logistically...

Hence why i dont see a hole in the logic

I wasn't arguing that all 4 are Others, I was arguing that it doesn't matter whether they were bolded beforehand or not. If he made all four of the bolded Others, that would potentially be an act of genius, but also could end the game fairly quickly. If it's a random draw, then the odds are actually pretty bad that one of the bolded is an Other.

However, I see the logic for "testing the waters" with a bolded number, lacking evidence in favor of anyone else on the first day.