Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[Blade6119]

Looks like we were headed down similar paths - voting records.

As I had indicated earlier, I have a small measure of trust right now in you and Raiders. So that leaves Pennywise on your list that voted for King. And he was very low profile on Day 1. Even before looking at the King votes I had him on the "less trusted" end of the scale out of the 18 guys I'm evaluating (I'm taking myself out of that list as well as the dead).
Question is do you want to assume king is innocent...if so then the wolves may have been all to happy to let us do both sides of the lynch alone. Most of the day(about 90%) it looked very certain wednesday would die...king was an option briefly, and then back to just w...Now i say you look at who started that bandwagon(quiet, while a reason, is a nice excuse to kill a vet)...so in my mind i have three parties to look at(if king is innocent..if hes a wolf its you and mckerney)...

Party One:
Alan(first vote on w), bearcat, spleen, desmond(all in order of votes)...thats a fairly nice looking group for a wolf

Party Two:
Raiders, Penny (look like they defend a villager, and if king is a wolf they look even safer later)

Party Three:
Schmidty, Swaggs, Kwhit(all very quiet day ones...id be willing to bet a lot of money one is bad)

[Blade6119]

The Pennywise vote came a little over two hours before the deadline and created a tie between Mr. W and King (using Post #403 by Alan T as a reference).

That is when I moved my vote from King to Mr. W - I didn't like that the vote had swung from 4-1 to 5-5 in the space of 50 posts.

Had I been around for the deadline I don't think I would have left my vote on Mr. W when two more people came in behind me. I wanted to create a run-off that would force the "others" to save their guy, but I now think we had a two survivor race. I guess I like thinking that better than the alternative, which is that I strongly aided and abetted an other in avoiding a Day 1 lynch before they had to commit themselves to saving him.
You said before you didnt notice the penny vote..i might have misunderstood you, but im quite certain you said you didnt think about it when you voted....hoops, stop making me consider you

[Blade6119]

dola, above comment has half tongue in cheek...

[saldana]

How can the assassin and others get one kill last night? I don't understand your post. If the assassin and others got one kill each last night, there would be three people dead. That's why I don't think there's an assassin.

There is the possibility a player is a "Locke" like character and can do a one-time kill, since we're talking about that.


it could have happened exactly like this in the harry potter game....the wizards assassin could have used his PK during the same night cycle as the death eaters made a murder....hence 2 dead people, one killed by by the good guys assassin, one killed by the bad guys murder....In fact, it did happen last game when Path12 got murdered, and Packerfanatic got PK'd

[saldana]

dola, this was when we still worked from the assumption that the jail was only a jail and not a spot where we someone went until their lynch death actually took place.

[saldana]

double dola, i am in pretty much the same boat as blade and hoops with very little as far as an idea of what to do during our next day. I had absolutely nothing on day one, so i just went with my vengance vote for alan, and never saw a reason to change it....now i have to come up with something different for day 2, hope we had a witness or the seer got a hit to give us some help.

[Celeval]

dola, this was when we still worked from the assumption that the jail was only a jail and not a spot where we someone went until their lynch death actually took place.Doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't - I don't know if "anyone" could have done it, or if it would have taken a special; but I bet it was possible to let Wednesday out as a night action. Otherwise, why the giving away of identity between jail and night?

[pennywisesb]

So that leaves Pennywise on your list that voted for King. And he was very low profile on Day 1. Even before looking at the King votes I had him on the "less trusted" end of the scale out of the 18 guys I'm evaluating (I'm taking myself out of that list as well as the dead).

Not exactly sure how this implicates me in any way. I stated that it had turned into a two horse race and I wasn't comfortable voting for Mr. W because he has proven valuable in WW games past. I felt that it would have been a shame to the survivors to lose him on day one, if in fact, he was a survivor--which it seems he turned out to be.

[Alan T]

I am assuming there are some people who haven't hopped in yet because of weekend committments. There might be someone who saw something last night that can help give us direction, but my guess is if we have a seer type person, they would be foolish to just come out and say even if they caught a bad guy. They likely will try to see who else they can snag. So unless someone with a one time ability got something last night, I am assuming we won't have much to go on for today.

I looked back over the voting list to try to find a lead, an didnt see much...


Updated list, sorry for the ommission:

(67) Blade Votes Mckerney (1)
(115) hoops votes Taz (lol)
(121) hoops UNVOTES taz (lol)
(121) hoops Votes Tanglewood (1)
(138) Alan Votes Mr. Wednesday (1)
(147) Sndvls Votes Grammaticus (1)
(151) saldana votes Alan (1)
(162) Blade UNVOTES Mckerney (0)
(162) Blade votes Raiders Army (1)
(168) Grammaticus votes desmond (1)
(181) Bearcat votes Mr. Wednesday (2)
(182) Spleen votes Mr. Wednesday (3)
(190) Kwhit Votes Rpi (1)
(208) Schmidty votes blade (1)
(210) Swaggs votes Blade (2)
(213) King votes Raiders army (2)
(217) Raiders Army votes king (1)
(222) Desmond votes Mr. Wednesday (4)
(226) Mr. Wednesday votes Rpi (2)
(232) Celeval votes Alan T (2)
(235) Blade UNVOTES Raiders Army (1)
(235) Blade votes King (2)
(241) Hoops UNVOTES Tanglewood (0)
(241) Hoops votes King (3)
(242) Mr. Wednesday UNVOTES rpi (1)
(242) Mr. Wednesday Votes king (4)
(268) king UNVOTES Raiders Army (0)
(268) king votes Mr. Wednesday (5)
(276) pennyweis votes king (5)
(281) Hoops UNVOTES King (4)
(281) Hoops Votes Mr. Wednesday (6)
(288) mckerney votes Mr. wednesday (7)
(308) Desnudo votes Mr. Wednesday (8)

I see votes 181 & 182, back to back Bearcat and spleen suddenly put Mr. W in danger. (50 posts and several votes after the original Mr. W vote)

20 posts later, 208 & 210 suddenly Schmidty and swaggs almost back to back put Blade in jeopardy of becoming a 2 person race.

Right after that at 213 King jumps on the Raiders bandwagon with Blade, to tie the vote up with Blade. Around this point is when Blade comes out with the accusation that he was trying to trap someone and points a finger at King instead.

217, 235, 241 and 242 we see fall out from Blade's accusation of King, and the race goes from being Mr. W vs Blade vs Raiders vs Alan T to being Mr.W vs king tied up 4 - 4

268 king moves his vote to Mr. w for self preservation

276 pennyweis re-ties it up at 5 each with a vote on king.

281 Hoops unties it by moving his vote back off of king to Mr.W giving him a 2 vote lead

288 mckerney basically puts it out of reach without last minute vote switching by jumping on and clinching the deal at 7-4 at that point.

So if this was villager vs villager , then we probably don't learn alot from any of that. The wolves would have the luxury of knowing it was villager vs villager, not panic and just throw votes wherever they felt.

Anyhows, this is as best i can see the hilights of Day 1's voting. I purposely did not include people's reasons for their votes, but did include their vote numbers if you wish to go back to look.

[Desnudo]

I got zero response on this yesterday (Post #434):

OK, time to think like a "wolf" - what do you do if you see an early bandwagon forming on a survivor?
1.) You are excited to be getting a free pass on Day 1.
2.) You make sure that the wolves spread out their votes - if possible, on completely different people but if it is a two-horse race then don't draw attention
3.) For those not voting for the lynchee, put something out there that can be re-read later as supporting his cause.


Is this how people would expect a wolf to play? #1 - duh. #2 - where do you think the "others" put their votes. #3 - am I overthinking here, or does this make a lot of sense?

1. duh
2. Probably spread out, especially if King is a villager. See #1. Even if he's not, there was no risk of leaving a vote on him.
3. If King is an Other, I would not be surpised to see at least one vote on him from the first day being from another Other.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, in regards to #502, I had asked you about Pennywise earlier, not said that I didn't notice it.

You commented that the votes for King didn't feel like a bandwagon from you, me, Raiders, and Mr. W. But when you made that comment you didn't mention Pennywise, who was the 5th vote there and I had asked you about him. I mentioned this in Post #405.

Blade, when you were looking at the votes for King you did not comment on Pennywise joining the grouping.
I think you mis-read this post, based on your comments in #502. I did say that I was dense on MrW indicating he was a special, but did not have anything about missing Penny's vote.

[Blade6119]

Blade, in regards to #502, I had asked you about Pennywise earlier, not said that I didn't notice it.

You commented that the votes for King didn't feel like a bandwagon from you, me, Raiders, and Mr. W. But when you made that comment you didn't mention Pennywise, who was the 5th vote there and I had asked you about him. I mentioned this in Post #405.


I think you mis-read this post, based on your comments in #502. I did say that I was dense on MrW indicating he was a special, but did not have anything about missing Penny's vote.
I did misread that...i took it to mean you didnt notice penny vote....i stand corrected buddy

[kingfc22]

Right now my biggest suspect is penny. He is the one that tied me back up with Mr. W late in day. I know it's not much to go on, but from what I sense everyone else has little or no clue on what is going on either. Hopefully, we can gain some solid info from day 2 and night 2.

[Alan T]

I see votes 181 & 182, back to back Bearcat and spleen suddenly put Mr. W in danger. (50 posts and several votes after the original Mr. W vote)

20 posts later, 208 & 210 suddenly Schmidty and swaggs almost back to back put Blade in jeopardy of becoming a 2 person race.

Right after that at 213 King jumps on the Raiders bandwagon with Blade, to tie the vote up with Blade. Around this point is when Blade comes out with the accusation that he was trying to trap someone and points a finger at King instead.

217, 235, 241 and 242 we see fall out from Blade's accusation of King, and the race goes from being Mr. W vs Blade vs Raiders vs Alan T to being Mr.W vs king tied up 4 - 4

268 king moves his vote to Mr. w for self preservation

276 pennyweis re-ties it up at 5 each with a vote on king.

281 Hoops unties it by moving his vote back off of king to Mr.W giving him a 2 vote lead

288 mckerney basically puts it out of reach without last minute vote switching by jumping on and clinching the deal at 7-4 at that point.



Since Im just bored here watching 14-15 inches of snow fall, I figured I would try to do my own groupings of people with similar acitions. Not really a trust or distrust list as much as figuring out where people fall to narrow it down more in my head..

Group 1:
Bearcat and Spleen (others voted for mr. W, but these did seemingly together)

Group 2:
Raiders Army, Blade, penneyweis (king voters, following Blade's reasoning).

Group 3:
Hoops, mckerney, Desnudo (late Mr. W voters. Started by the hoops flipflop and then mckerney sinched the deal.)

Group 4:
Schmidty + Swaggs (the anti-blade faction?)

Group 5: Sndvls, Saldana, kwhit, Celeval (voted off the beaten path so to speak. Stayed away from day 1 bandwagons.)

[SnDvls]

Right now my biggest suspect is penny. He is the one that tied me back up with Mr. W late in day. I know it's not much to go on, but from what I sense everyone else has little or no clue on what is going on either. Hopefully, we can gain some solid info from day 2 and night 2.

this is where I was leaning too. I think also one of the others threw a vote away on someone else not in the 2 person lynch race, yes I realize that also means me. I'll wait to hear what he has to say tomorrow, but as of right now he's going to get my vote.

[SnDvls]

Since Im just bored here watching 14-15 inches of snow fall, I figured I would try to do my own groupings of people with similar acitions. Not really a trust or distrust list as much as figuring out where people fall to narrow it down more in my head..


don't forget the non-voters we dont' want them to get lost in the shuffle

[kingfc22]

don't forget the non-voters we dont' want them to get lost in the shuffleThanks for brining that up. I'm always wary of non-voters.

[Alan T]

don't forget the non-voters we dont' want them to get lost in the shuffle

For non voters we had Tanglewood and RPI, anyone else that I missed?

RPI very well may be an other, but from him having to drop from the game, I am guessing he had other reasons to not vote, so I would at least give him a little slack until we have a replacement. I do not remember if I have seen Tanglewood say much anything.

[saldana]

didnt tangle miss because of the time difference?

[Schmidty]

Since Im just bored here watching 14-15 inches of snow fall, I figured I would try to do my own groupings of people with similar acitions. Not really a trust or distrust list as much as figuring out where people fall to narrow it down more in my head..

Group 1:
Bearcat and Spleen (others voted for mr. W, but these did seemingly together)

Group 2:
Raiders Army, Blade, penneyweis (king voters, following Blade's reasoning).

Group 3:
Hoops, mckerney, Desnudo (late Mr. W voters. Started by the hoops flipflop and then mckerney sinched the deal.)

Group 4:
Schmidty + Swaggs (the anti-blade faction?)

Group 5: Sndvls, Saldana, kwhit, Celeval (voted off the beaten path so to speak. Stayed away from day 1 bandwagons.)

I'm not an anti-blade faction at all. I explained my reasoning. There wasn't anything to go on the first day. There's not much more to go on today either, but I will be choosing more carefully this vote.

[Alan T]

didnt tangle miss because of the time difference?


Oh you are right, I remember that. He thought it was one hour later. I guess waiting till last minute

[hoopsguy]

Pennywise - Post #508
Not exactly sure how this implicates me in any way
Voting for King doesn't implicate you in any way, anymore than any other first day vote.

But ...
1.) Do you think that all of the "others" had their votes on Mr.W?
2.) If there was a two-horse race developing (even if it involved one of their own) do you think that one of the votes on King would have been from an other?

The list of people with votes on King included Mr W (not an other), Blade, Raiders Army, and you.

I'm all for hearing why we should look harder at either one of them than you, although I'm not asking in any way for a role reveal.

And as of right now it doesn't sound like I'm the only person who was thinking in this direction. But no one has translated this into a vote so far.

[Blade6119]

VOTE PENNYWISESB

Does that help hoops?

[Blade6119]

Oh you are right, I remember that. He thought it was one hour later. I guess waiting till last minute
he says he forgot...it might not be true

[saldana]

I Dont have a problem with the pennywise concept, he has always been excellent at hiding in the shadows, but i am gonna hold off on my vote until tomorrow, still hoping for some insight from one of our special role players. (note: not asking for a role reveal, i like subtle hints)

[Blade6119]

I Dont have a problem with the pennywise concept, he has always been excellent at hiding in the shadows, but i am gonna hold off on my vote until tomorrow, still hoping for some insight from one of our special role players. (note: not asking for a role reveal, i like subtle hints)
I dont even want hints today...too early to be giving the wolves crumbs to follow in my mind...im betting the only way were going to get any insight is to get some votes out there

[saldana]

I dont even want hints today...too early to be giving the wolves crumbs to follow in my mind...im betting the only way were going to get any insight is to get some votes out there


valid point, but i really dont want to fall too far behind. if we assume that we started with 4 others and 17 survivors, then we are already down to 4 to 15...if we lynch another survivor today and then they kill another one of us at night, we are down to 4 to 13....odds are way in their favor at that point, so i really think tomorrow night is a very important vote for us...we need to get an other.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, it helps a great deal if Pennywise is an other. If not, then ... not so much.

Seriously, perhaps getting the ball rolling on votes will lead him to engage a little more in the discussion.

[Blade6119]

23.) The game isn't werewolves versus villagers per se, but more of the television show Lost.
Just noting that...havent seen it come into play yet, but i bet it means something...might be alternative victory conditions then we expect, either for us or others...or some other twist i havent thought of yet

[Blade6119]

Blade, it helps a great deal if Pennywise is an other. If not, then ... not so much.

Seriously, perhaps getting the ball rolling on votes will lead him to engage a little more in the discussion.
Hes here...its half the reason i did...i dont want him leaving without talking

[pennywisesb]

Pennywise - Post #508

Voting for King doesn't implicate you in any way, anymore than any other first day vote.

But ...
1.) Do you think that all of the "others" had their votes on Mr.W?
2.) If there was a two-horse race developing (even if it involved one of their own) do you think that one of the votes on King would have been from an other?


My reasoning for voting king was more out of trying to save Mr. W than anything else. Like I said, W had been a good player in past WW games and I didn't think we could afford losing him right off the bat. I didn't have any suspicions of King, as it was the first day, but I felt King was more expendable than Mr. W since at that point one or the other was going down.

The list of people with votes on King included Mr W (not an other), Blade, Raiders Army, and you.


I'm sure the others tried to spread their votes around. Most votes were on either king or Mr. W, but there were also votes on other players. Its pretty hard to analyze first day voting patterns because its so easy to hide votes. If you're asking me to draw attention to one of the players who voted for King, I don't have anything solid. For some reason in these games I always get suspicious of Blade, but I think thats mostly his playing style since he always seems to turn out good. RA is another story. I know its early, but he seems to be tip-toeing alittle bit in this game. He's given character analysis when its needed, but hasn't really starting throwing his weight in one direction or the other.

To be honest, I'm pretty lost at this point as far as being able to get a read on anyone. Plus, with the lack of some players' activity, its making it even harder to try to figure out who's who.

[Raiders Army]

I just got back on...I have a lot of shovelling to do since it just stopped snowing, BTW

Correct me hoops, but a vote tonight won't tinker with impressions. I now think guesswork won't work unless I help the team. How many hero-roles are out there? On the positive side, we can guess that there are probably 4 baddies out there, and hopefully we can guess how many "good" roles we have as well. Many the same number?

[Blade6119]

My reasoning for voting king was more out of trying to save Mr. W than anything else. Like I said, W had been a good player in past WW games and I didn't think we could afford losing him right off the bat. I didn't have any suspicions of King, as it was the first day, but I felt King was more expendable than Mr. W since at that point one or the other was going down.



I'm sure the others tried to spread their votes around. Most votes were on either king or Mr. W, but there were also votes on other players. Its pretty hard to analyze first day voting patterns because its so easy to hide votes. If you're asking me to draw attention to one of the players who voted for King, I don't have anything solid. For some reason in these games I always get suspicious of Blade, but I think thats mostly his playing style since he always seems to turn out good. RA is another story. I know its early, but he seems to be tip-toeing alittle bit in this game. He's given character analysis when its needed, but hasn't really starting throwing his weight in one direction or the other.

To be honest, I'm pretty lost at this point as far as being able to get a read on anyone. Plus, with the lack of some players' activity, its making it even harder to try to figure out who's who.
Personally i rate King and mr. w pretty as close as you can in value...but to each his own.

As for raiders, it was raiders and i throwing a fit over mr. w being lynched...the ONLY two really taking a stance...everyone else just voted quietly or just didnt care...im not saying hes good, but he has been by far one of the most sided(picking a side) players in the game.

As for me, ive been on a long villager/good side run, and every game i still get voted against on day one(usually schmidty is good for a vote on me...this game is no different). My play style doesnt win many fans, but it works for me. Others have their own styles, and im always suspicious of people like you(quiet ones)...to each his own again.

As for today, im trying to stir up conversation. Id rather lynch you then raiders, based on yesterdays play. And since i think a wolf voted for king your a 50/50 odds of being bad in my mind...thats amazing odds

[Blade6119]

I just got back on...I have a lot of shovelling to do since it just stopped snowing, BTW

Correct me hoops, but a vote tonight won't tinker with impressions. I now think guesswork won't work unless I help the team. How many hero-roles are out there? On the positive side, we can guess that there are probably 4 baddies out there, and hopefully we can guess how many "good" roles we have as well. Many the same number?
I could certainly see 3 with a dark spy or turncoat....i guess i could also see some 3rd party since hoops said this is lost and people were talking about two different groups of survivors(one other in both)...could we have 2 groups of villagers working against eachother without us knowing? Like mr. w was clan a and now clan a is down a man. Clan B got points for it and are working towards a goal(like crown a king game)...random thoughts

[Raiders Army]

dola, maybe the same number i mean.

[Blade6119]

dola, maybe the same number i mean.
you should know you cant get dolas in when im around :D

[Alan T]

I could certainly see 3 with a dark spy or turncoat....i guess i could also see some 3rd party since hoops said this is lost and people were talking about two different groups of survivors(one other in both)...could we have 2 groups of villagers working against eachother without us knowing? Like mr. w was clan a and now clan a is down a man. Clan B got points for it and are working towards a goal(like crown a king game)...random thoughts

Kind of like survivor? Clan A or Clan B wins if the entire other Clan gets voted off?
Interesting idea, but I don't see it logisitically possible based on what we know. Unless it would happen behind the scenes and then suddenly one day we're told congrats your clan that you did not know you were a part of wins. I think there possibly could be some other win scenerio based on what Ardent said, but right now I'm guessing its still a basic us vs select few others.

[Blade6119]

Kind of like survivor? Clan A or Clan B wins if the entire other Clan gets voted off?
Interesting idea, but I don't see it logisitically possible based on what we know. Unless it would happen behind the scenes and then suddenly one day we're told congrats your clan that you did not know you were a part of wins. I think there possibly could be some other win scenerio based on what Ardent said, but right now I'm guessing its still a basic us vs select few others.
Im just thinking what makes sense with that ardent comment i quoted. Maybe two-three villager groups with others in each...maybe that doesnt make sense...just trying to make sense of people saying there were two groups of survivors and others infiltrated both groups

[pennywisesb]

As for today, im trying to stir up conversation. Id rather lynch you then raiders, based on yesterdays play. And since i think a wolf voted for king your a 50/50 odds of being bad in my mind...thats amazing odds

What makes you so sure there must have been an "other" vote on King? There could have been as many as 2 "other" votes on W and two "others" spread out in various places.

All I know at this point is that Mr. W was a survivor (someone who I voted to save), and so am I. Other than those two facts, I don't really know too much else.

By the way, it seems as though there are now at least 3-4 people "suspicious" of me now, so beware of a bandwagon since thats exactly what you are stiring up Blade.

[Blade6119]

What makes you so sure there must have been an "other" vote on King? There could have been as many as 2 "other" votes on W and two "others" spread out in various places.

All I know at this point is that Mr. W was a survivor (someone who I voted to save), and so am I. Other than those two facts, I don't really know too much else.

By the way, it seems as though there are now at least 3-4 people "suspicious" of me now, so beware of a bandwagon since thats exactly what you are stiring up Blade.
I cant imagine 2 wolves would vote mr w unless king is a wolf...assuming hes not, id say a max of one wolf on mr w(prob. 0)

Looking at you, i see this(if wolf)...you defend a villager, not apart of the lynch vote, and cast a tie vote...all solid villager moves...making key villager moves is suspicious(odd how that works)...and if king is bad it looks even better later.

[Celeval]

Im just thinking what makes sense with that ardent comment i quoted. Maybe two-three villager groups with others in each...maybe that doesnt make sense...just trying to make sense of people saying there were two groups of survivors and others infiltrated both groupsYes, but by the middle of season 2, the two camps had merged. So I'm not really sure they are really in contention against each other.

[Alan T]

so someone help me here, in the show you mean 2 different airplanes crashed and had 2 set of survivors that ended up meeting on a deserted island?

Or was it 2 camps of survivors from the same crash?

[spleen1015]

I wonder if I am cut out for WW. You guys have my head spinning with all of this information. Sheesh.

[Celeval]

Two camps from the same crash - for lack of better terms, the middle of the aircraft and the tail of the aircraft.

[hoopsguy]

Got very quiet here ...

I'll hit on a couple of topics here:

1.) I have zero reason to believe this game is anything other than survivors (one camp) versus others from my PM. I understand that some games involve hidden abilities that are not part of the initial PM (seeing as how I did that last game) but I would expect to know if I'm a member of some kind of faction.

2.) Spleen, most of the WW games involve taking a critical look at information and trying to determine who is legitimately trying to help and who is trying to steer the group. Hopefully you are having some measure of fun even if it is confusing right now. I think a lot of experienced players (me included) are having a hard time so far this game figuring out which way to go.

3.) Raiders, a vote tonight counts for lynch tomorrow. I think people will react to votes in some way, shape, or form. Particularly the accused ... this is not me trying to get anyone to cast a vote they are not ready to make, but if people are waiting for some kind of revelation it may not be forthcoming.

4.) Also, Raiders asked about how many roles are out there? Well, it seems like we lost two named characters up to this point but that doesn't necessarily imply that we lost two survivors with assigned roles. If we did, then this was a brutal first day. But I also think it is possible that we all have identities that correspond to characters on the show - we just don't learn which ones unless we have a special (or until we die). That is strictly a theory, and one that should be measurable over the next 1-2 days just like the lynch/"die in jail" conversation.

[Poli]

PackerFanatic has agreed to step in for RPI. For game purposes, consider everything RPI contributed PackerFanatic.

Thank you.

By the way, I'm glad you're all getting a kick out of the lack of information. ;)

[Celeval]

Got very quiet here ...

I'll hit on a couple of topics here:

1.) I have zero reason to believe this game is anything other than survivors (one camp) versus others from my PM. I understand that some games involve hidden abilities that are not part of the initial PM (seeing as how I did that last game) but I would expect to know if I'm a member of some kind of faction.I would put forward the thought that it's probably both combined camps - while both of the characters we've "Lost" to date are from the first camp, the idea of the prison is from the second. I would wager that if each of us has a defined role, then they are probably from the combined set of characters (i.e. Jack, Kate, and Sawyer as well as Echo and Ana Lucia).

[Desnudo]

Got very quiet here ...

4.) Also, Raiders asked about how many roles are out there? Well, it seems like we lost two named characters up to this point but that doesn't necessarily imply that we lost two survivors with assigned roles. If we did, then this was a brutal first day. But I also think it is possible that we all have identities that correspond to characters on the show - we just don't learn which ones unless we have a special (or until we die). That is strictly a theory, and one that should be measurable over the next 1-2 days just like the lynch/"die in jail" conversation.

There's definitely a limit on how many roles can be in the game without unbalancing the sides. I think there's also a limit to role capabilities. Meaning that no matter the scenario, there's a basic set of roles when you boil it down.

Good:

Seer
Bodyguard
Night wanderer
Doctor
Duke

Bad:

Anti-seer
Cloaker
Brutal
Converter

Both:

Assassin
Tie Breaker

[PackerFanatic]

Very happy to be in the game, I am not even going to try and catch up on things because it would take me forever. But I kinda got the gist for ardent, so I will do my best as we continue along. Good luck all! (Those others have gotta go)

Walt!

[spleen1015]

Very happy to be in the game, I am not even going to try and catch up on things because it would take me forever. But I kinda got the gist for ardent, so I will do my best as we continue along. Good luck all! (Those others have gotta go)

Walt!

Are you a good guy or a bad guy?

[PackerFanatic]

I am a good guy, dontchu worry.

[Raiders Army]

I welcome you to the game.

I really think there really are unknown roles. So for the future, unless anyone believes some "lost" roles are helping decisions, I expect there to be some type of clues to be sought within the seer or whoever's posts. Hopefully we can figure them out and get some others.

[pennywisesb]

Are you a good guy or a bad guy?

Haha. Welcome to the game Packerfanatic.

[Alan T]

welcome aboard packersfan! So what do you feel about Kwhit voting for you on day 1? :)

Just kidding, starting some drama! :)

[tanglewood]

On time this time. :)

I've skimmed the thread quickly, but could someone give me a quick summary of general village (island?) suspects and reasons for suspicion? Thanks in advance. :)

It seems to be revolving around the voters for the now proven innocent Mr. W. I'm never too sure how useful it is to start accusing players based on Day 1 votes. I don't think Day 1 is a vote that usually needs 'steering', it mostly just happens of it's own accord. However, it is all that we have I guess.

[Desnudo]

Tanglewood is high on everyone's list.

[Blade6119]

Tanglewood is high on everyone's list.
priceless

[Blade6119]

On time this time. :)

I've skimmed the thread quickly, but could someone give me a quick summary of general village (island?) suspects and reasons for suspicion? Thanks in advance. :)

It seems to be revolving around the voters for the now proven innocent Mr. W. I'm never too sure how useful it is to start accusing players based on Day 1 votes. I don't think Day 1 is a vote that usually needs 'steering', it mostly just happens of it's own accord. However, it is all that we have I guess.
Tangle, if you did scan the thread you would have seen lists from myself, alan, and hoops...very borad in range lists to be exact...

[hoopsguy]

9 of 17 in the thread right now (no, that doesn't include TazFTW) - is there a vote going on that I don't know about?

[Blade6119]

technically, yes...i already voted...no one else has worked up the courage

[Alan T]

9 of 17 in the thread right now (no, that doesn't include TazFTW) - is there a vote going on that I don't know about?


If I were you, I would vote for Taz fast! :)

[Blade6119]

10 of 17 now

[Alan T]

technically, yes...i already voted...no one else has worked up the courage

Its not as much a lack of courage that I lack right now. I kind of am waiting to see how a few people act today, who they vote for and more importantly their reasons before I go further. I've tried to look back through as much of the data we have so far, and right now I have alot of holes that I just don't understand.

[Desmond]

Just got in from shoveling most of the day. Gonna try and take in all the info from the last few pages. Im famaliar with the show Lost but all these Werewolf analogies I need to wrap my head around, lol.

[Blade6119]

Its not as much a lack of courage that I lack right now. I kind of am waiting to see how a few people act today, who they vote for and more importantly their reasons before I go further. I've tried to look back through as much of the data we have so far, and right now I have alot of holes that I just don't understand.
COWARD :p

[Alan T]

COWARD :p


Well I guess I have a fairly ok feel for what your stance is, what Hoops's stance is, same thing for a few others that have been in here like Raiders, Saldana, Desnudo, pennyweis, etc. Whether or not I follow completely in agreement I know the opinions.

There are at least 6-10 people who have not only given much in the way of opinion, but really haven't said much anything yet which I would like to hear a little more from.

[Blade6119]

Well I guess I have a fairly ok feel for what your stance is, what Hoops's stance is, same thing for a few others that have been in here like Raiders, Saldana, Desnudo, pennyweis, etc. Whether or not I follow completely in agreement I know the opinions.

There are at least 6-10 people who have not only given much in the way of opinion, but really haven't said much anything yet which I would like to hear a little more from.
In my experience, without being rude, the only way to get those people to really talk is to vote them(like penny earlier today)...it sucks, but i find accusing the quiet ones suddenly makes them speak up :(

[Blade6119]

dola, not pressuring you to vote(well, a little)...just talking

[Desnudo]

The deadline isn't for 24 hours, so I don't see any reason to vote now.

[Desmond]

And i think we'll probably get alot more info during the day tommorow then we have at this point.

[Celeval]

dola, not pressuring you to vote(well, a little)...just talkingWell, speaking for me, I'm still trying to feel my way through my first game.

I've begun to put together a set of ever-changing workable assumptions, but I'm not sure enough of any of them to be certain that I don't end up a target myself to speak up.

[Blade6119]

The deadline isn't for 24 hours, so I don't see any reason to vote now.
The whole wait until the last second(which you did yesterday with your mr. w vote) to vote really perplexes me. Doesnt give people time to react...you just moved a few rungs up my list des...

[Blade6119]

Well, speaking for me, I'm still trying to feel my way through my first game.

I've begun to put together a set of ever-changing workable assumptions, but I'm not sure enough of any of them to be certain that I don't end up a target myself to speak up.
You can take your time...im still working my way through your play style...that comment was directed solely at players who have played before.

[PackerFanatic]

I will not vote tonight, seeing as though I am just joining the game and I really haven't gotten a feel for anyone yet.

[hoopsguy]

Heck, my list was almost non-existant. So lets see if I can do a little better and maybe some conversation comes out of it:

Keep in mind that all of this is from memory, so if I have a detail wrong please correct me.

1. KWhit - is it possible to have no impression?
2. Desnudo - mildly on the do not trust list. Don't understand why you put the late vote on Mr. W, seemed like a total throw-away looking back on it
3. Alan T - flat down the middle in terms of suspicion. He is putting out information, but not really taking a stance on anything yet.
4. Mckerney - guy I'm linked to a couple of times, but there is nothing in my role that suggests this to me at all. I'm not wild about his Mr. W vote (recall it being something about not looking to make enemies) to create a three vote margin after I swung my vote to King. Mildlly suspcious.
5. Swaggs - leaving a very small footprint in the game so far
6. Gram (Hurley) - no suspicion at all, seeing as how he was killed last night
7. Spleen - mildly suspicious, I suppose. Raiders noted a discrepancy on his logic voting for Mr. W (out for night, Mr. W had not shown) and that he did not change it later when he was around with opportunity to do so.
8. Raiders Army - mild trust. The guy always seems to be a bad guy in WW, but when he is he posts a fair amount with limited substance. If he is a bad guy this time then he is evolving in terms of how he is playing the role, because he has been more forceful so far. Including calling me into doubt at points ...
9. Tanglewood - limited posts, misunderstood deadline so no vote. My initial vote on Day 1, I'm still more suspicious than trusting here.
10. Schmidty - would accuse him of something but don't want to be yelled at :) seriously, don't have much vibe here.
11. Desmond - very quiet first timer so far, which seems odd for someone who hasn't been shy in other threads since joining this site.
12. Hoopsguy - well, I know that I'm a survivor and I'm on record for saying that I have no role. But everyone else gets to determine how much they trust me on this.
13. Blade6119 - first guy to come out and say he is a survivor, which is the title I have in my role. So far that is enough to keep him on the mild trust list.
14. SnDvls - has come out with knowledge of the show in his posts. I worry a little bit about him doing a rope-a-dope with his "hope Mr. W shows up to defend himself" post when he was down 4-1 and had not logged onto site. That is the type of thing I would do if I was playing an other, then point that I didn't vote for him and stuck up for him when he wasn't around.
15. Mr. W - Charlie. At this point I'm hoping he had a less-than-helpful role, which I think is at least a little suggested by him having drugs on him. This is less meaningful if this is just season one characters, as he didn't kick the habit until Episode 6 (doing my homework :) )
16. Saldana - don't have much feel for him yet, which makes me a little uneasy. I would like to trust him sooner rather than later, but I don't right now.
17. Pennywise - fairly high on the distrust list because of his quiet Day 1 and his vote on King. I'm pretty willing to believe that one of the others dumped a vote on King and right now I distrust Penny more than I do Raiders or Blade.
18. PackerFanatic - did RPI even post? No feel at all.
19. Celeval - another guy with some show knowledge. Still trying to get some real feel on a first-time player, but he has been the most active of the new guys so far.
20. Kingfc22 - found himself in some danger on day 1, but right now I'm more in line with thinking he is a survivor. Very mild trust, based on an assumption that I am not sure I should be making.
21. Bearcat - no real feel.

I felt like I was starting to fall behind on my "list quota" for werewolf, so hopefully this is of some use to people.

[spleen1015]

VOTE BLADE6119

[hoopsguy]

LOL, Celeval.

[Desnudo]

The whole wait until the last second(which you did yesterday with your mr. w vote) to vote really perplexes me. Doesnt give people time to react...you just moved a few rungs up my list des...

I always wait until the last minute. I don't see any reason to vote sooner unless I won't be on.

[Alan T]

VOTE BLADE6119


Spleen, can you give your reasons for voting for Blade here?

[spleen1015]

Spleen, can you give your reasons for voting for Blade here?

Gut feeling that he's a bad guy. Call it inexperience.

[Blade6119]

Gut feeling that he's a bad guy. Call it inexperience.
Its not inexperience if its your gut. Its not right in this situation, but going with your gut is usually pretty smart.

[Blade6119]

I always wait until the last minute. I don't see any reason to vote sooner unless I won't be on.
i heavily disagree, but ill agree to disagree here...

[hoopsguy]

Desnudo, I'm not sure you always wait until the last minute - not based on WW 21, anyways.

I haven't looked up the timestamps on these, but I do have the final post #s from the first two days of that game:

Day 1 - voted at Post #466, post #572 was the last before deadline
Day 2 - voted at Post #921, post #1061 was the last before deadline
Day 3 - voted at Post #1468, post #1477 was the last before deadline. However, on this day there was a late seer reveal that had a number of people swing their earlier votes, so I'm not sure this is a good indicator of you as a late voter.
Day 4 - voted at Post #1674, post #1685 was the last before deadline. I'm not sure if you voted earlier and switched or just how close to the deadline it was, but there were two people in after you on a slow day (less than 100 total posts from first vote to last)

I'm not saying that you don't have a track record of being a late poster. But based on the posts above I don't think you have a recent track record of being a late poster. Others can make of this what they will ...

[Desmond]

11. Desmond - very quiet first timer so far, which seems odd for someone who hasn't been shy in other threads since joining this site.


Figuring out how much I like Danielle from Survivors breasts is a little easier than this game. Even for someone seeing both for the first time. :)

[KWhit]

I'm leaning toward the idea that all of us survivors have a character name that is unknown to us.

If I were creating this game, I'd make Jack the Doctor, Locke the Bodyguard, Walt the seer, Sawyer the good-guy assassin, Kate the Duke (maybe), etc.

I don't think I'd give Hurley or Charlie roles. They may fit into the night wanderer role or the easily converted role or something like that, but they feel more like ordinary survivors to me. They don't really fit into a typical WW role, so I think they were ordinary survivors that were given a character name after death.

As a game mechanic, it would be a bad idea to tell us all our character names beforehand because then we could all just say "I'm a survivor - my name is (blank)." Then we'd all do our character name reveals and make the others come forward and do a risky role reveal themselves where they would be forced to lie. It would be easy to trap some of them in this lie, so if I were creating the game, I wouldn't let everyone know their character name until their death. Then reveal it to the group for added flavor and as a unique way to reveal if they were a survivor or not.

At least I hope I'm right and we just lost 2 ordinary survivors instead of survivors with important roles.

[hoopsguy]

Note - I was originally only going to post the first two days, but then added your votes from each day to try and be more fair in bringing up the total picture.

Didn't want to edit the above post to change the "first two days" part of it ...

[Blade6119]

Desnudo, I'm not sure you always wait until the last minute - not based on WW 21, anyways.

I haven't looked up the timestamps on these, but I do have the final post #s from the first two days of that game:

Day 1 - voted at Post #466, post #572 was the last before deadline
Day 2 - voted at Post #921, post #1061 was the last before deadline
Day 3 - voted at Post #1468, post #1477 was the last before deadline. However, on this day there was a late seer reveal that had a number of people swing their earlier votes, so I'm not sure this is a good indicator of you as a late voter.
Day 4 - voted at Post #1674, post #1685 was the last before deadline. I'm not sure if you voted earlier and switched or just how close to the deadline it was, but there were two people in after you on a slow day (less than 100 total posts from first vote to last)

I'm not saying that you don't have a track record of being a late poster. But based on the posts above I don't think you have a recent track record of being a late poster. Others can make of this what they will ...
As much as i dont like it, in those days with a lot of posts after his vote he is still one of the last 3-4 voters i think...i checked day one only though, so the others might be different

[hoopsguy]

Day 1 - six post after him
Day 2 - eight post after him
Day 3 - four post after him (this was very close to deadline, seer reveal came with maybe 15 minutes left)
Day 4 - two post after him

[Blade6119]

Day 1 - six post after him
Day 2 - eight post after him
Day 3 - four post after him (this was very close to deadline, seer reveal came with maybe 15 minutes left)
Day 4 - two post after him
interesting indeed...

[spleen1015]

Day 1 - six post after him
Day 2 - eight post after him
Day 3 - four post after him (this was very close to deadline, seer reveal came with maybe 15 minutes left)
Day 4 - two post after him

Desnudo howls at the moon?

[hoopsguy]

He was a samurai (good guy) in that game. I'm not saying this makes him a wolf, just that I don't think his statement about late votes is historically true.

And I had already indicated he was a little below average on my trust list - this doesn't help move him up.

[Desnudo]

Desnudo, I'm not sure you always wait until the last minute - not based on WW 21, anyways.

I haven't looked up the timestamps on these, but I do have the final post #s from the first two days of that game:

Day 1 - voted at Post #466, post #572 was the last before deadline
Day 2 - voted at Post #921, post #1061 was the last before deadline
Day 3 - voted at Post #1468, post #1477 was the last before deadline. However, on this day there was a late seer reveal that had a number of people swing their earlier votes, so I'm not sure this is a good indicator of you as a late voter.
Day 4 - voted at Post #1674, post #1685 was the last before deadline. I'm not sure if you voted earlier and switched or just how close to the deadline it was, but there were two people in after you on a slow day (less than 100 total posts from first vote to last)

I'm not saying that you don't have a track record of being a late poster. But based on the posts above I don't think you have a recent track record of being a late poster. Others can make of this what they will ...

I think time of last post, rather than post # would be a better indicator of my voting pattern. I shouldn't have said I always behave in a certain way. Obviously if there is a definite vote, I'm not going to wait until 6:59 to make it. Anyway, I stand by my voting strategy. I don't think calling people out 24 hours before the deadline does anything other than add to the confusion.

[hoopsguy]

Agreed. I posted what I had easy access to, rather than looking up something that would be harder. But I'll play along - info to follow.

[Celeval]

LOL, Celeval.Figured I'd see if I could get a few people thinking. :)

[mckerney]

VOTE PENNYWISESB

[Blade6119]

Agreed. I posted what I had easy access to, rather than looking up something that would be harder. But I'll play along - info to follow.
Lol, hoops always go in depth....gotta love him

[hoopsguy]

Day 1: 1:14 PM CST (deadline 8PM CST)
Day 2: 8:35 PM CST (deadline 11PM CST)
Day 3: 8:57 PM CST (deadline 9PM CST)
Day 4: 8:48 PM CST (deadline 10PM CST)

Note - these are your last votes and do not reflect your initial votes (in cases where you changed votes)

[Alan T]

VOTE PENNYWISESB


Can you give your reason why you are voting for Penny here? This vote makes it Penny 2, Blade 1. But more importantly it happened fairly soon after Blade got a vote. (second time in two days that a possible run started after Blade came either tied to the lead or close to it.)

[Blade6119]

Can you give your reason why you are voting for Penny here? This vote makes it Penny 2, Blade 1. But more importantly it happened fairly soon after Blade got a vote. (second time in two days that a possible run started after Blade came either tied to the lead or close to it.)
Nice catch, that is something i hadnt noticed...im now suspicious of myself :p Though to be fair i wasnt too afraid when i just got that spleen vote...Yesterday i did come close to being tied for the lead(NEVER TIED FOR OR TOOK THE LEAD IM PRETTY SURE)

[hoopsguy]

On Day 3, the first vote came in late. 8:38 PM CST to be precise (post #1432). I didn't look up the other two days as they were a decent amount before the deadline. But I was curious about this day. On Day 3 you had gotten information from the moderator that gave you more info than your fellow players. So you were fishing for awhile on that afternoon.

Day 4 - first vote went in at 12:30 PM. Part of a bandwagon that started early that day (Post #1603). That doesn't fit any definition of late.

[spleen1015]

Nice catch, that is something i hadnt noticed...im now suspicious of myself :p Though to be fair i wasnt too afraid when i just got that spleen vote...Yesterday i did come close to being tied for the lead(NEVER TIED FOR OR TOOK THE LEAD IM PRETTY SURE)

Oh! Oh! I don't worry you! It's on now!

:D

[Blade6119]

Oh! Oh! I don't worry you! It's on now!

:D
You worry me far more then others since i cant read you...i mean only it was 1-1...1 vote doesnt strike fear into my heart :)

[spleen1015]

On Day 3, the first vote came in late. 8:38 PM CST to be precise (post #1432). I didn't look up the other two days as they were a decent amount before the deadline. But I was curious about this day. On Day 3 you had gotten information from the moderator that gave you more info than your fellow players. So you were fishing for awhile on that afternoon.

Day 4 - first vote went in at 12:30 PM. Part of a bandwagon that started early that day (Post #1603). That doesn't fit any definition of late.

I don't have it in me to do this kind of research. Sheesh!

hoops = loco! :D

[Desnudo]

Day 1: 1:14 PM CST (deadline 8PM CST)
Day 2: 8:35 PM CST (deadline 11PM CST)
Day 3: 8:57 PM CST (deadline 9PM CST)
Day 4: 8:48 PM CST (deadline 10PM CST)

Note - these are your last votes and do not reflect your initial votes (in cases where you changed votes)

I rarely change my votes (probably setting myself up here). Except in the case of the Seer reveal. If you look at general voting schedules, I think you'll find that ~one-two hours before the deadline is pretty long to wait except for the people who like to pop in and out. I like to have as much information as possible before making a decision. Day 1 was the flamefest where sides were chosen very early.

Anyway, I don't trust you anymore than you trust me, so feel free to keep probing.

[mckerney]

Can you give your reason why you are voting for Penny here? This vote makes it Penny 2, Blade 1. But more importantly it happened fairly soon after Blade got a vote. (second time in two days that a possible run started after Blade came either tied to the lead or close to it.)

After reviewing some things in the thread I tend to agree with hoops and Blade that Penny is suspicious, and although I may be wrong Blade seems to be one of the people that can be trusted at this point (save for the whole thinking I may be an other).

[mckerney]

After reviewing some things in the thread I tend to agree with hoops and Blade that Penny is suspicious, and although I may be wrong Blade seems to be one of the people that can be trusted at this point (save for the whole thinking I may be an other).

Also wanted to get a vote in earlier this time, and at the current time Penny seems to be the best option.

[spleen1015]

After reviewing some things in the thread I tend to agree with hoops and Blade that Penny is suspicious, and although I may be wrong Blade seems to be one of the people that can be trusted at this point (save for the whole thinking I may be an other).

No way, homie. I can't trust anyone until I facts show me that I can. The fact that Blade seems trustworthy is a big clue for me. He is a bad guy trying to convince us he's not. He wants us to trust him and I don't want to fall for it.

[mckerney]

No way, homie. I can't trust anyone until I facts show me that I can. The fact that Blade seems trustworthy is a big clue for me. He is a bad guy trying to convince us he's not. He wants us to trust him and I don't want to fall for it.

Perhaps I'll turn out to be wrong, but I don't have a whole lot to go on at this point.

[Blade6119]

No way, homie. I can't trust anyone until I facts show me that I can. The fact that Blade seems trustworthy is a big clue for me. He is a bad guy trying to convince us he's not. He wants us to trust him and I don't want to fall for it.
LOL...that was hilarious...i dont think i have acted out of my usual style, but you would have to ask others about that

[Desnudo]

I rarely change my votes (probably setting myself up here). Except in the case of the Seer reveal. If you look at general voting schedules, I think you'll find that ~one-two hours before the deadline is pretty long to wait except for the people who like to pop in and out. I like to have as much information as possible before making a decision. Day 1 was the flamefest where sides were chosen very early.

Anyway, I don't trust you anymore than you trust me, so feel free to keep probing.

The point I'm trying to make is that contextualize it rather than isolate it.

[spleen1015]

Survivor Checking in...lets get "the others" whatever the hell that means...can someone give an idea of key show roles, like what powers the others might have for us non-watchers?

Here's my first real contribution...


Blade admits to not being a watcher of the show in the same post where he mentions 'the others'.

How does he know about 'the others' if he hasn't watched the show? There is no mention of 'the others' in this thread prior to his post.

He got 'the others' from a PM he received letting him know he was part of 'the others'.

[spleen1015]

LOL...that was hilarious...i dont think i have acted out of my usual style, but you would have to ask others about that

This is my first round with this, so I don't know how you've been in the past.

[hoopsguy]

Desnudo, I haven't cast a vote for you over this yet, so I'm not convinced that this whole exercise isn't a red herring. But the statement struck me as invalid in the context of last game. So I posted what I had on it, while trying to provide context in a reasonably balanced fashion.

[KWhit]

Here's my first real contribution...


Blade admits to not being a watcher of the show in the same post where he mentions 'the others'.

How does he know about 'the others' if he hasn't watched the show? There is no mention of 'the others' in this thread prior to his post.

He got 'the others' from a PM he received letting him know he was part of 'the others'.
Hmmm.... I don't know if I buy this or not, but if true it's certainly food for thought.

[Desnudo]

Desnudo, I haven't cast a vote for you over this yet, so I'm not convinced that this whole exercise isn't a red herring. But the statement struck me as invalid in the context of last game. So I posted what I had on it, while trying to provide context in a reasonably balanced fashion.

I understand why you are doing what you are doing. People jump on discrepancies. I recognized the error in my post (saying I always do something) almost as soon as I posted it. I've seen people hung over less in the past.

[mckerney]

Hmmm.... I don't know if I buy this or not, but if true it's certainly food for thought.

Agreed. Something to keep in mind.

[Blade6119]

Here's my first real contribution...


Blade admits to not being a watcher of the show in the same post where he mentions 'the others'.

How does he know about 'the others' if he hasn't watched the show? There is no mention of 'the others' in this thread prior to his post.

He got 'the others' from a PM he received letting him know he was part of 'the others'.
Nice catch, thats some solid detective work right there...if you want to know the reason, check out the thread just for lost(its on page 2 right now)...i posted in it on page 9(its on 11 now) before roles were sent out asking for a summary. Got a brief one, and then looked over the thread...i may have known more about the show then i let on(i also studied the lost official website which has character bios for every person on the island as well as a few fan sites)...I played dumb more to see who knew what they were talking about more then anything.

I dont watch the show, but i certainly did my homework coming in. Either way nice find.

[hoopsguy]

I did a search on Page 1 and the term "others" is not used before Blade mentions it. Time to check the timestamps Blade mentioned, but I certainly didn't want to jump in giving him an explanation before he posted ...

[spleen1015]

Nice catch, thats some solid detective work right there...if you want to know the reason, check out the thread just for lost(its on page 2 right now)...i posted in it on page 9(its on 11 now) before roles were sent out asking for a summary. Got a brief one, and then looked over the thread...i may have known more about the show then i let on(i also studied the lost official website which has character bios for every person on the island as well as a few fan sites)...I played dumb more to see who knew what they were talking about more then anything.

I dont watch the show, but i certainly did my homework coming in. Either way nice find.

The Lost Season 2 thread is 26 pages long. Page 9 was posted all the way back in 10/2005 for me. Give me post numbers.

[KWhit]

Nice catch, thats some solid detective work right there...if you want to know the reason, check out the thread just for lost(its on page 2 right now)...i posted in it on page 9(its on 11 now) before roles were sent out asking for a summary. Got a brief one, and then looked over the thread...i may have known more about the show then i let on(i also studied the lost official website which has character bios for every person on the island as well as a few fan sites)...I played dumb more to see who knew what they were talking about more then anything.

I dont watch the show, but i certainly did my homework coming in. Either way nice find.
You certainly played up the "I don't know anything about the show" angle. Why would a survivor do that?

[mckerney]

The Lost Season 2 thread is 26 pages long. Page 9 was posted all the way back in 10/2005 for me. Give me post numbers.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1046714&postcount=1189

02-08-2006, 11:00 PM

[Blade6119]

The Lost Season 2 thread is 26 pages long. Page 9 was posted all the way back in 10/2005 for me. Give me post numbers.
POST #1189 was my question, a wednesday, before the game started...i revied a fair amount of that thread and other lost websites

[hoopsguy]

I found it - Post #1189, dated 2/8. That is Wednesday, roles went out Thursday night.

[Blade6119]

You certainly played up the "I don't know anything about the show" angle. Why would a survivor do that?
Its important in a hidden role game like this all about a subject matter to know who knows their stuff. In the harry potter game it was key, knowing when people came out with reveals if they could be trusted. It was what got sun lynched after he came out with a role reveal i believe. I wanted to know who knows lost, and i do. If you disagree with that idea, so be it. But with so much knowledge show based but hidden, i think its quite wise to find out who knows what

[hoopsguy]

I would have busted Blade's nuts for days if he got revealed as an "other" from that. Even if it wasn't 100% correct, thanks for bringing a smile to my face for a couple of minutes, Spleen :D :p

[spleen1015]

hoops and mckerney jumping to Blade's defense.

3 wolfs perhaps? Hmm?

[Blade6119]

I would have busted Blade's nuts for days if he got revealed as an "other" from that. Even if it wasn't 100% correct, thanks for bringing a smile to my face for a couple of minutes, Spleen :D :p
LOL, if i had been a wolf and tripped up like that i never would have lived it down...i cant even imagine how much crap i would have gotten from you, ardent, dubb...hell, im sure someone would PM fozzie :D

[mckerney]

hoops and mckerney jumping to Blade's defense.

3 wolfs perhaps? Hmm?


I was hardly jumping to any defense. I just found the post and the timestamp of the post that spleen was asking about so it could be compared with the time of Blades first post about the others.

[hoopsguy]

Again I'm getting tied to mckerney (sigh).

Spleen, I think you are getting the hang of werewolf - from being afraid to annoy someone with a vote on Day 1 to linking three people as wolfs on one post in Day 2. Congrats on your progress, even if you are 100% wrong on me as an other/wolf.

[KWhit]

But with so much knowledge show based but hidden, i think its quite wise to find out who knows what
But this whole time you've been lying about what you know. You just went up to #1 on my distrust list.

[spleen1015]

I would have busted Blade's nuts for days if he got revealed as an "other" from that. Even if it wasn't 100% correct, thanks for bringing a smile to my face for a couple of minutes, Spleen :D :p

Thanks! I've been reading the happenings of the thread all day thinking I didn't have what it takes to play in these games because I had nothing to offer as far as theories or things of that nature.

My crosshairs are on Blade. What the hell?!

P.S. I believe KWhit is on the good side, btw.

[spleen1015]

Again I'm getting tied to mckerney (sigh).

Spleen, I think you are getting the hang of werewolf - from being afraid to annoy someone with a vote on Day 1 to linking three people as wolfs on one post in Day 2. Congrats on your progress, even if you are 100% wrong on me as an other/wolf.

It is all about seeing roses in the mud and hoping to get lucky. :)

[Blade6119]

Thanks! I've been reading the happenings of the thread all day thinking I didn't have what it takes to play in these games because I had nothing to offer as far as theories or things of that nature.

My crosshairs are on Blade. What the hell?!

P.S. I believe KWhit is on the good side, btw.
You should read alan t's game in correlation to me last game...people always trust those supporting each other. Kwhit backs your idea(or goes against me) and you like him. Just saying thats not always the best way to go(if so, raiders would be trusted for me...but alas, he still is on my suspicious list)

[spleen1015]

You should read alan t's game in correlation to me last game...people always trust those supporting each other. Kwhit backs your idea(or goes against me) and you like him. Just saying thats not always the best way to go(if so, raiders would be trusted for me...but alas, he still is on my suspicious list)

I have a very good reason to trust him....

You would have the same reason were you not an 'other'.

[Blade6119]

But this whole time you've been lying about what you know. You just went up to #1 on my distrust list.
Fair enough, i can deal with that. I made a move to learn who knows what(which was soo key in harry potter, which was by far the closest game to this one)...you dont like it, cool. But id do it again in a hearbeat

[Blade6119]

I have a very good reason to trust him....

You would have the same reason were you not an 'other'.
If we have an empath:

"IM NOT AN OTHER, NOT ON DAY 2 OR ANY OTHER DAY"

Im not an other, i promise you as much. You can crusade against me with kwhit's support, but in the end it will be a day that ends up not killing an other.

[spleen1015]

If we have an empath:

"IM NOT AN OTHER, NOT ON DAY 2 OR ANY OTHER DAY"

Im not an other, i promise you as much. You can crusade against me with kwhit's support, but in the end it will be a day that ends up not killing an other.

:p

[Blade6119]

:p
Smile all you want...this has helped me greatly...always nice to see who allies themselves with who...this will be quite useful in later days

[spleen1015]

Smile all you want...this has helped me greatly...always nice to see who allies themselves with who...this will be quite useful in later days

Prove you're on our side and you'll have my support.

[KWhit]

I'll be happy to say the same for the empath:

I'm not an other. I am a simple survivor.

[Bearcat729]

I sit here reading all this and I still don't know who I will vote for tomorrow. All I know is I don't trust anyone.

[Blade6119]

Prove you're on our side and you'll have my support.
The proof i can give would only get me killed by the wolves for being a "cleared villager"...im not about to do a role reveal until im as good as dead...so distrust me, will only make you more attentative to my play and the game(thats a good thing)

[spleen1015]

Is there something more to a role reveal other than just saying "I'm a survivor."?

If there is more, I would like to know.

[Blade6119]

Is there something more to a role reveal other than just saying "I'm a survivor."?

If there is more, I would like to know.
Yes, a role reveal would include more then simply saying im a survivor...anyone can do that

[KWhit]

Just some posts that I find suspicious now that Blade has admitted that he did research on the show before we started.

Survivor Checking in...lets get "the others" whatever the hell that means...can someone give an idea of key show roles, like what powers the others might have for us non-watchers?

Honsestly, hes one of the names bolded on the initial list...hoping to generate chatter, but since i dont know lost i dont know why those numbers are bolded...evil clue?

From Kings post they held recurring value on the island.

Sun, thank you for that breakdown..i now know 100% more then i did before.

That is just from the first 2 pages of the thread. There are more examples, but I haven't gone through the whole thread yet. I find it very suspicious for someone to lie like this.

[spleen1015]

Yes, a role reveal would include more then simply saying im a survivor...anyone can do that

But, if I am a simple survivor and I don't have any special skills, etc. what is there to role reveal?

[KWhit]

But, if I am a simple survivor and I don't have any special skills, etc. what is there to role reveal?
Nothing.

[spleen1015]

Just some posts that I find suspicious now that Blade has admitted that he did research on the show before we started.

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That is just from the first 2 pages of the thread. There are more examples, but I haven't gone through the whole thread yet. I find it very suspicious for someone to lie like this.

If he was just playing possum, then he's doing a good job of keeping up the act.

[spleen1015]

Nothing.

Yikes. Then this is interesting....

I hope I am right about Blade. :D

[Blade6119]

But, if I am a simple survivor and I don't have any special skills, etc. what is there to role reveal?
We all recieved PMs at the beginning stating our roles...PMs that is paraphrased can easily be compared to clear people. I refuse to do that right now, as it would basically make it easy for any wolf to repeat what i say later

[Blade6119]

Just some posts that I find suspicious now that Blade has admitted that he did research on the show before we started.

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That is just from the first 2 pages of the thread. There are more examples, but I haven't gone through the whole thread yet. I find it very suspicious for someone to lie like this.
Everybody has reasons to lie, i had my own. I've stated a big reason, you ignored it.

[spleen1015]

We all recieved PMs at the beginning stating our roles...PMs that is paraphrased can easily be compared to clear people. I refuse to do that right now, as it would basically make it easy for any wolf to repeat what i say later

You're good, Blade. :D

[spleen1015]

Dola,

My mind is telling me to trust you. Sheesh.

Can I unvote and not revote in the same post?

[Desnudo]

Dola,

My mind is telling me to trust you. Sheesh.

Can I unvote and not revote in the same post?

I don't think Blade is an Other. I haven't seen him as a bad guy, but if he was here, then he's definitely out on a limb.

[Blade6119]

You're good, Blade. :D
I do what i can spleen. Your not too bad yourself by the way, this is pretty solid sluething

[PackerFanatic]

We all <3 Blade

[hoopsguy]

Spleen, you can do exactly that.

For example:

UNVOTE TAZFTW

I think it is safe to say that my trust list has moved a bit since I posted it back at #575.

[Blade6119]

We all <3 Blade
I forgot, welcome to the game packer! I hope you last longer in this one, and have even more fun

[spleen1015]

Since the 'others' can PM each other, that means they know who each other is this early in the game, correct?

[KWhit]

Everybody has reasons to lie, i had my own. I've stated a big reason, you ignored it.
Anybody can claim a reason for their lie after the fact. I think actions speak much louder than words. And in this case it is your action of lying that speaks much louder than the reasoning you have given when caught. I don't know if you're telling the truth now about it or not, but without anything else at all to go on yet, you are suspect #1.

That's what this amounts to. Not that I now know 100% that you are an other, but that it beats any of the other reasons/theories currently available.

[hoopsguy]

Traditionally the wolves know their membership right away.

[Blade6119]

Since the 'others' can PM each other, that means they know who each other is this early in the game, correct?
They knew the second roles went out who each other were. If there is a dark spy/turncoat, they do NOT know who that is. Sometimes the spy knows the wolves, sometimes he does not. but the others all know each other and are talking to each other

[Blade6119]

Anybody can claim a reason for their lie after the fact. I think actions speak much louder than words. And in this case it is your action of lying that speaks much louder than the reasoning you have given when caught. I don't know if you're telling the truth now about it or not, but without anything else at all to go on yet, you are suspect #1.

That's what this amounts to. Not that I now know 100% that you are an other, but that it beats any of the other reasons/theories currently available.
Thats fair, i respect that. Im not an other, but you have to follow what you think is right. Others have already lied too(would you want the seer to say he was the seer, or lie and say hes just a survivor?). Just saying there are good reasons to lie too, not just that the liar is an other. Im not a special human role, but im using an example.

[Poli]

Well, speaking for me, I'm still trying to feel my way through my first game.

I've begun to put together a set of ever-changing workable assumptions, but I'm not sure enough of any of them to be certain that I don't end up a target myself to speak up.Notasercetcod...

Gosh dang it!

[Alan T]

Some fun reading tonight so far. I was a bit hesitant about Spleen earlier, but right now he feels to me like a first time player getting the hang of the game. I am glad you went into more reasoning than just a hunch, since votes without any explanation tend to make me more suspicious. (Alot easier to fall in the cracks if you don't say anything for people to go back and hold against you.)

Does anyone else right now get a weird feeling from Mckerney or kwhit? Both seemed a little suspicious from yesterday to me (only a little since its just day 1 votes) Mckerney's clincher vote on Mr. W troubled me some and Kwhit was one of the ones that kinda threw a vote a random direction and laid low for the most part.

Now day 2, both seem to be hopping onto someone else's train of thought and riding it a bit. Mckerney seemed to jump on the pennyweis bandwagon with Blade (after blade accused him), while Kwhit is following with Spleen in his thoughts about Blade.

I guess its hard to have any trust of most people, but do these moves bother anyone else?

[Blade6119]

Notasercetcod...

Gosh dang it!
Might want to spell it right buddy ;)

[spleen1015]

Does anyone else right now get a weird feeling from Mckerney or kwhit? Both seemed a little suspicious from yesterday to me (only a little since its just day 1 votes) Mckerney's clincher vote on Mr. W troubled me some and Kwhit was one of the ones that kinda threw a vote a random direction and laid low for the most part.

I know I am new to this, but I am 100% certain KWhit is a good guy. Why I feel this way will come in time.

[Blade6119]

Some fun reading tonight so far. I was a bit hesitant about Spleen earlier, but right now he feels to me like a first time player getting the hang of the game. I am glad you went into more reasoning than just a hunch, since votes without any explanation tend to make me more suspicious. (Alot easier to fall in the cracks if you don't say anything for people to go back and hold against you.)

Does anyone else right now get a weird feeling from Mckerney or kwhit? Both seemed a little suspicious from yesterday to me (only a little since its just day 1 votes) Mckerney's clincher vote on Mr. W troubled me some and Kwhit was one of the ones that kinda threw a vote a random direction and laid low for the most part.

Now day 2, both seem to be hopping onto someone else's train of thought and riding it a bit. Mckerney seemed to jump on the pennyweis bandwagon with Blade (after blade accused him), while Kwhit is following with Spleen in his thoughts about Blade.

I guess its hard to have any trust of most people, but do these moves bother anyone else?
Mckerney yes, kwhit no...i think kwhit is just being his blade hating self(he trashed me all last game, i expected him to come after me this game. Mckerney was my #1 yesterday, and i voted penny today since i think he/raiders have the best odds and i trust raiders more

[mckerney]

Does anyone else right now get a weird feeling from Mckerney or kwhit? Both seemed a little suspicious from yesterday to me (only a little since its just day 1 votes) Mckerney's clincher vote on Mr. W troubled me some and Kwhit was one of the ones that kinda threw a vote a random direction and laid low for the most part.

I dunno, I trust them. :)

[KWhit]

Some fun reading tonight so far. I was a bit hesitant about Spleen earlier, but right now he feels to me like a first time player getting the hang of the game. I am glad you went into more reasoning than just a hunch, since votes without any explanation tend to make me more suspicious. (Alot easier to fall in the cracks if you don't say anything for people to go back and hold against you.)

Does anyone else right now get a weird feeling from Mckerney or kwhit? Both seemed a little suspicious from yesterday to me (only a little since its just day 1 votes) Mckerney's clincher vote on Mr. W troubled me some and Kwhit was one of the ones that kinda threw a vote a random direction and laid low for the most part.

Now day 2, both seem to be hopping onto someone else's train of thought and riding it a bit. Mckerney seemed to jump on the pennyweis bandwagon with Blade (after blade accused him), while Kwhit is following with Spleen in his thoughts about Blade.

I guess its hard to have any trust of most people, but do these moves bother anyone else?
I don't think I laid low at all on day one. There's just nothing to analyze or comment on during day one. I made a good many posts on day one, but didn't have a lot of analysis to give because there was nothing to analyze. And I'm not following spleen; I'm just noting that Blade was caught in a lie. That is by far the most telling thing we have to go on yet because the voting records don't mean a whole lot until we get some more info - 1 vote does not a pattern make. :)

Is it a stretch? Maybe. But it's more than anything else that we have to go on, IMO.

[KWhit]

Mckerney yes, kwhit no...i think kwhit is just being his blade hating self(he trashed me all last game, i expected him to come after me this game. Mckerney was my #1 yesterday, and i voted penny today since i think he/raiders have the best odds and i trust raiders more
:rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

:rolleyes:
Im calling you a villager and stating you trashed me last game after all the day one hostilities from both sides...are either of those facts wrong?

[KWhit]

Im calling you a villager and stating you trashed me last game after all the day one hostilities from both sides...are either of those facts wrong?
Well, you got the first part right.

[Blade6119]

Well, you got the first part right.
And the second part?

[Swaggs]

I am really beginning to suspect Blade of being an other, or at least, running interference for them.

Right now, I am leaning heavily towards voting for him again.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I'm fairly certain that KWhit is a villager as well. I don't think an other would get a bug up his ass at this point while chasing Blade. They tend to be a little more sneaky about it ...

kind of like Alan T asking if others are suspicious of KWhit.

[KWhit]

Don't try to deflect my points by claimimng that they're due to some imagined vendetta against you. This has nothing to do with last game. I'm not "coming after you." Remember that after we had our disagreement last game you were the one that got me lynched - not the other way around.

My posts have not been personally attacking you based on past experiences. I pointed out discrepancies in your posts. That's far more relevant to the game than most posts in this thread.

[KWhit]

Obviously my last post was in response to Blade - I meant to quote his previous post and did not. It's late for me anyway.

Good night all!

[Blade6119]

Don't try to deflect my points by claimimng that they're due to some imagined vendetta against you. This has nothing to do with last game. I'm not "coming after you." Remember that after we had our disagreement last game you were the one that got me lynched - not the other way around.

My posts have not been personally attacking you based on past experiences. I pointed out discrepancies in your posts. That's far more relevant to the game than most posts in this thread.
I agree, i have openly stated i lied, have openly stated i think your a villager, and have openly stated why i lied...you dont like it, and short of a role reveal i dont know what i can do to sway you since you seem quite set in your ways already

[Schmidty]

Heck, my list was almost non-existant. So lets see if I can do a little better and maybe some conversation comes out of it:

Keep in mind that all of this is from memory, so if I have a detail wrong please correct me.

1. KWhit - is it possible to have no impression?
2. Desnudo - mildly on the do not trust list. Don't understand why you put the late vote on Mr. W, seemed like a total throw-away looking back on it
3. Alan T - flat down the middle in terms of suspicion. He is putting out information, but not really taking a stance on anything yet.
4. Mckerney - guy I'm linked to a couple of times, but there is nothing in my role that suggests this to me at all. I'm not wild about his Mr. W vote (recall it being something about not looking to make enemies) to create a three vote margin after I swung my vote to King. Mildlly suspcious.
5. Swaggs - leaving a very small footprint in the game so far
6. Gram (Hurley) - no suspicion at all, seeing as how he was killed last night
7. Spleen - mildly suspicious, I suppose. Raiders noted a discrepancy on his logic voting for Mr. W (out for night, Mr. W had not shown) and that he did not change it later when he was around with opportunity to do so.
8. Raiders Army - mild trust. The guy always seems to be a bad guy in WW, but when he is he posts a fair amount with limited substance. If he is a bad guy this time then he is evolving in terms of how he is playing the role, because he has been more forceful so far. Including calling me into doubt at points ...
9. Tanglewood - limited posts, misunderstood deadline so no vote. My initial vote on Day 1, I'm still more suspicious than trusting here.
10. Schmidty - would accuse him of something but don't want to be yelled at :) seriously, don't have much vibe here.
11. Desmond - very quiet first timer so far, which seems odd for someone who hasn't been shy in other threads since joining this site.
12. Hoopsguy - well, I know that I'm a survivor and I'm on record for saying that I have no role. But everyone else gets to determine how much they trust me on this.
13. Blade6119 - first guy to come out and say he is a survivor, which is the title I have in my role. So far that is enough to keep him on the mild trust list.
14. SnDvls - has come out with knowledge of the show in his posts. I worry a little bit about him doing a rope-a-dope with his "hope Mr. W shows up to defend himself" post when he was down 4-1 and had not logged onto site. That is the type of thing I would do if I was playing an other, then point that I didn't vote for him and stuck up for him when he wasn't around.
15. Mr. W - Charlie. At this point I'm hoping he had a less-than-helpful role, which I think is at least a little suggested by him having drugs on him. This is less meaningful if this is just season one characters, as he didn't kick the habit until Episode 6 (doing my homework :) )
16. Saldana - don't have much feel for him yet, which makes me a little uneasy. I would like to trust him sooner rather than later, but I don't right now.
17. Pennywise - fairly high on the distrust list because of his quiet Day 1 and his vote on King. I'm pretty willing to believe that one of the others dumped a vote on King and right now I distrust Penny more than I do Raiders or Blade.
18. PackerFanatic - did RPI even post? No feel at all.
19. Celeval - another guy with some show knowledge. Still trying to get some real feel on a first-time player, but he has been the most active of the new guys so far.
20. Kingfc22 - found himself in some danger on day 1, but right now I'm more in line with thinking he is a survivor. Very mild trust, based on an assumption that I am not sure I should be making.
21. Bearcat - no real feel.

I felt like I was starting to fall behind on my "list quota" for werewolf, so hopefully this is of some use to people.

Dude, you are the man. You have nothing to worry about from me. :)

[pennywisesb]

Does anyone else right now get a weird feeling from Mckerney or kwhit? Both seemed a little suspicious from yesterday to me (only a little since its just day 1 votes) Mckerney's clincher vote on Mr. W troubled me some and Kwhit was one of the ones that kinda threw a vote a random direction and laid low for the most part.

Now day 2, both seem to be hopping onto someone else's train of thought and riding it a bit. Mckerney seemed to jump on the pennyweis bandwagon with Blade (after blade accused him), while Kwhit is following with Spleen in his thoughts about Blade.


McKerney is certainly way up on my suspicion list at this point. I don't like the fact of how easy he jumped on the Blade bandwagon today (especially with the lack of evidence Blade is throwing around) and is leaning towards voting for me.

Blade would be up on my suspicion list as well since he seems to be hell bent on getting me lynched, but he keeps leaving subtle hints that he might have some special role and so at this point I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, eventhough he's trying to get me killed.

At this point I'm leaning towards voting McKerney, but since the deadline isn't for another day, I can be swayed. Tomorrow should be interesting.

[mckerney]

McKerney is certainly way up on my suspicion list at this point. I don't like the fact of how easy he jumped on the Blade bandwagon today (especially with the lack of evidence Blade is throwing around) and is leaning towards voting for me.

Blade would be up on my suspicion list as well since he seems to be hell bent on getting me lynched, but he keeps leaving subtle hints that he might have some special role and so at this point I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, eventhough he's trying to get me killed.

At this point I'm leaning towards voting McKerney, but since the deadline isn't for another day, I can be swayed. Tomorrow should be interesting.


Can't really say I blame you for that, and it's honestly not the worst decision that you could make. Though voting for me will mean that it's likely through two nights there will be four dead survivors and not a single other killed.

I do find it interesting though that Blade seems to be dropping hints that he has a special role. I don't see this as a good way for him to gain trust, as if he does and he's not assasinated within a few nights he should become a clear target for a lynching. I realized I may not be around long enough to make that vote, but it's something to be on the lookout for.

[Blade6119]

Can't really say I blame you for that, and it's honestly not the worst decision that you could make. Though voting for me will mean that it's likely through two nights there will be four dead survivors and not a single other killed.

I do find it interesting though that Blade seems to be dropping hints that he has a special role. I don't see this as a good way for him to gain trust, as if he does and he's not assasinated within a few nights he should become a clear target for a lynching. I realized I may not be around long enough to make that vote, but it's something to be on the lookout for.
Im not dropping hints that i have a special role..ive actually done quite the contrary, trying to make it clear i dont have one. But since everyone seems to want to make today about me, i guess ill have to play along.

Funny, penny got accused of being an other and suddenly a couple people(not exactly the clear ones either) come out and put the attention on me...odd how that worked out, no? :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

I do find it interesting though that Blade seems to be dropping hints that he has a special role. I don't see this as a good way for him to gain trust, as if he does and he's not assasinated within a few nights he should become a clear target for a lynching. I realized I may not be around long enough to make that vote, but it's something to be on the lookout for.
I dont expect to make it a few days, as i bet you and your friends(spleen, kwhit, penny) will get me lynched shorty. But i intend to prolong my life as long as i can...but think like a wolf for a second...Half the villagers distrust me, im by far the leading lynch canidate. Why kill me when you guys are going to do it for them. And if they did try to kill me they might run into a few problems...

[mckerney]

I dont expect to make it a few days, as i bet you and your friends(spleen, kwhit, penny) will get me lynched shorty. But i intend to prolong my life as long as i can...but think like a wolf for a second...Half the villagers distrust me, im by far the leading lynch canidate. Why kill me when you guys are going to do it for them. And if they did try to kill me they might run into a few problems...

My friends? From the way things are going it doesn't look like I have any friends. Penny says he plans on voting for me, spleen has made accusations of me being a wolf, and neither KWhit or anyone else has come to my defense in any way. With the way things look now I'd expect that I get lynched long before you do.

And I was thinking like a wolf in saying that if they thought you were a doctor, body guard, or sheriff that they'd likely kill you to get a harmful character out of the way. Can't risk someone like that staying around.

[Blade6119]

My friends? From the way things are going it doesn't look like I have any friends. Penny says he plans on voting for me, spleen has made accusations of me being a wolf, and neither KWhit or anyone else has come to my defense in any way. With the way things look now I'd expect that I get lynched long before you do.

And I was thinking like a wolf in saying that if they thought you were a doctor, body guard, or sheriff that they'd likely kill you to get a harmful character out of the way. Can't risk someone like that staying around.
I dont know...so far id say im going down before you..If they think im a doctor or seer or something they are quite mistaken...If i have a role, and i dont expect to die, i dont drop hints...people thought i was dropping hints all day, while in actuality i might be running intereference for our important roles. The others know im not bad, and i hope they think i have some special role. As if they attack me they will not only not kill a villager that night, but also waste a night and delay their own victory. I dont really want to go down that road right now though...

I mean hey, i dont have a special role

[Blade6119]

I posted that at 3:22...with mckerney content to let it be im going to guess at 4:45 someone will ask me about it. I wonder how close ill be

[Blade6119]

My friends? From the way things are going it doesn't look like I have any friends.
I know for certain you have at least one friend. Whether or not hes a villager or other i dont know. But i know you were targeted by an assasin on night one and the attack failed due to you being protected by someone...i dont know if that was a villager protect or a wolf protect. And i also am aware of the fact you have no idea you were targeted...ill go into full details of my role later today...figured by putting this out there i can signify to someone(a wolf or our bodyguard) that im not talking BS about any of this

[Blade6119]

Oh hello raiders, your early...want to chat?

[mckerney]

I know for certain you have at least one friend. Whether or not hes a villager or other i dont know. But i know you were targeted by an assasin on night one and the attack failed due to you being protected by someone...i dont know if that was a villager protect or a wolf protect. And i also am aware of the fact you have no idea you were targeted...ill go into full details of my role later today...figured by putting this out there i can signify to someone(a wolf or our bodyguard) that im not talking BS about any of this

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[mckerney]

Obviously I'm interested in knowing more about this.

[Blade6119]

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LOL, am i right in the fact you didnt know that you should be dead now? For the second game in a row the assasins night one attack failed. I dont even know if whoever protected you knows you were targeted, but by saying you were it should ring a bell in someone head

[mckerney]

LOL, am i right in the fact you didnt know that you should be dead now? For the second game in a row the assasins night one attack failed. I dont even know if whoever protected you knows you were targeted, but by saying you were it should ring a bell in someone head

You are right, as clearly all of this is news to me, and the fact that you know this is certainly something of interest to me.

[Blade6119]

technically i dont know someone else protected you...it could have been something in your role that makes you safe from assasin(a weird villager role or a special wolf role)...thats to be fair...but i know you were protected in some mannor.

Ask me some questions and ill answer...im eating some food right now so my mind isnt working too much to post it all myself.

[mckerney]

technically i dont know someone else protected you...it could have been something in your role that makes you safe from assasin(a weird villager role or a special wolf role)...thats to be fair...but i know you were protected in some mannor.

Ask me some questions and ill answer...im eating some food right now so my mind isnt working too much to post it all myself.

Not sure what questions I'd ask you right now being my brain is dead at 5:36, so that will have to wait for tomorrow. I can tell you I have no special role that can protect me at all.

[Blade6119]

Not sure what questions I'd ask you right now being my brain is dead at 5:36, so that will have to wait for tomorrow. I can tell you I have no special role that can protect me at all.
Fair enough, have a good night then...ill be around here for another 2-3 hours if anyone stops in...I will have very limited availability tomorrow with both a Calculus and Mirco Economics test tomorrow...so ideally id like to do some of this now

[Blade6119]

dola, tomorrow is today i guess....pulling an all nighter studying for both tests so this is a nice distraction in between readin

[Blade6119]

I can tell you I have no special role that can protect me at all.
Once you hear my what i know, you should understand their is a role where a personal invincible to assasin makes sense...i forget which guy it is(I read, dont remember most of it...know a lot of basics, not much depth)...but there is a role i had you pegged for after learning the assasin's attack failed and ardent not mentioning it in the night action.

[Blade6119]

I just realized i cant spell...like at all(well, not when its 5 AM in the morning)....i hate not really supposed to be able to edit posts...

[Blade6119]

and hoops shows up...if hoops leaves this alone ill be stunned...come on hoops, lets dance

[hoopsguy]

Blade, count me among the intrigued.

I strongly suspect you are wrong on some of the people chasing you, unless somehow the wolves had information on the survivors very early in the game. I picked up on something in the thread yesterday that has me convinced that KWhit is a survivor.

Spleen's staunch defense of KWhit makes me think that he is a survivor as well. Raiders had put out the idea that he was being "coached" earlier but that is not the path I'm going down with my suspicions on him at this point. Again, he is now showing up fairly high on my survivor list.

Right now the distrust list is Alan T, Desnudo, and Pennywise. I'm not arrogant enough to think that all three are others, but if at least one of them is not an other I'm completely off my game.

It feels like sides are beginning to be drawn here - hope I'm aligning with the correct people.

VOTE PENNYWISEB

[Blade6119]

Blade, count me among the intrigued.

I strongly suspect you are wrong on some of the people chasing you, unless somehow the wolves had information on the survivors very early in the game. I picked up on something in the thread yesterday that has me convinced that KWhit is a survivor.

Spleen's staunch defense of KWhit makes me think that he is a survivor as well. Raiders had put out the idea that he was being "coached" earlier but that is not the path I'm going down with my suspicions on him at this point. Again, he is now showing up fairly high on my survivor list.

Right now the distrust list is Alan T, Desnudo, and Pennywise. I'm not arrogant enough to think that all three are others, but if at least one of them is not an other I'm completely off my game.

It feels like sides are beginning to be drawn here - hope I'm aligning with the correct people.

VOTE PENNYWISEB
Ive stated repeatedly i think kwhit is good...spleen i still dont know about, as knowing im not an other, anyone that brings up evidence against me gains some of my interest. Im merely saying alan staunchly supported me last game and we saw how that turned out...the wolves know who the villagers are are can surely support one.

If your around past this post ask me some questions...my role in this game is quite unique from everyone else

[hoopsguy]

Blade, Post #686
The others know im not bad, and i hope they think i have some special role. As if they attack me they will not only not kill a villager that night, but also waste a night and delay their own victory.
I can't be late for work this morning, so I'm not going to have too much time to work through this stuff today, Maverick.

But I'm not following the part that the others would kill you, yet waste a night - unless you are suggesting that you have a vanilla survivor role and that is a wasted night for them.

If you have some way to protect yourself for a night, that is great. But I don't know how you could have that as well as knowing something in terms of a failed aasassination last night on mckerney.

[Blade6119]

Blade, Post #686

I can't be late for work this morning, so I'm not going to have too much time to work through this stuff today, Maverick.

But I'm not following the part that the others would kill you, yet waste a night - unless you are suggesting that you have a vanilla survivor role and that is a wasted night for them.

If you have some way to protect yourself for a night, that is great. But I don't know how you could have that as well as knowing something in terms of a failed aasassination last night on mckerney.
Dont let me hold you up from work iceman, ill be around after like 4 oclock west coast for some close to the dealine work around if you want. As i said, my role is quite unique. And im implying that i have a role where it would greatly harm the wolves numbers to attack me(either they wouldnt kill me at all, by far the most likely, or they would lose multiple members of their group...determined by odds)...my role is built for survival...does that wet your appetite as you head to work?

[hoopsguy]

It is possible that mckerney had a "blessed" role if he was able to resist a night attack, although if he was the target of a survivor assassination attempt I wonder if that would come into play.

Blade, if you know there was an assassination attempt on mckerney last night then do you believe that Mr. W's death was just part of the game mechanics of being lynched (jail, then death the followin morning if some special role does not save him)? Because earlier speculation was that somehow Mr. W was assassinated while in jail, despite the fact that Post #1 says "lynched". I think you were one of the people who brought this up, but would have to look back to verify that. Which would have to wait for this evening as I have about five minutes now ...

[Blade6119]

dola, much knowledge i have is through luck...i have had both good luck and bad luck come my way this game...them the breaks

[Blade6119]

It is possible that mckerney had a "blessed" role if he was able to resist a night attack, although if he was the target of a survivor assassination attempt I wonder if that would come into play.

Blade, if you know there was an assassination attempt on mckerney last night then do you believe that Mr. W's death was just part of the game mechanics of being lynched (jail, then death the followin morning if some special role does not save him)? Because earlier speculation was that somehow Mr. W was assassinated while in jail, despite the fact that Post #1 says "lynched". I think you were one of the people who brought this up, but would have to look back to verify that. Which would have to wait for this evening as I have about five minutes now ...
GO TO WORK...i implied mr. w was assasinated as at first i couldnt figure out why mckerney survived...i originally assumed ardent just capped it at two night kills and that why i assumed mr. w was assasinated as well. As the day went on i discovered it was due to some form of protection...protection i feel tells me exactly what role he has(not bodyguard)

[hoopsguy]

Appetite whetted.

One of three things is going on here:
1.) You are telling the absolute truth, and I'm glad you are on my side instead of some buff other
2.) You are making all of this up to avoid being targeted as a simple survivor with zero ability to defend yourself at night
3.) You are an other engaged in some very creative fiction.

Two of these three are options that work just fine for me. I'll try to work through some possibilities in my head today and we'll catch up before the deadline.

[Blade6119]

Appetite whetted.

One of three things is going on here:
1.) You are telling the absolute truth, and I'm glad you are on my side instead of some buff other
2.) You are making all of this up to avoid being targeted as a simple survivor with zero ability to defend yourself at night
3.) You are an other engaged in some very creative fiction.

Two of these three are options that work just fine for me. I'll try to work through some possibilities in my head today and we'll catch up before the deadline.
Im telling most of the truth...some things i cant share as they would help the wolves.(or ardent has said i cant share) Hows this for trying to earn your trust? At the beginning of the game i was offered the option of which team i wanted to win with.(who i wanted my allegience to be with)...i chose to go for a villager victory...if i had picked wolves i would not have known them, but would have won if they won. As a villager i win with the villagers, and mostly through luck have found a few things out. But as for who the wolves are i know as much as you do currently.

Anyone have an idea what role i could have?

[Raiders Army]

Oh hello raiders, your early...want to chat?
Crap..I'm behind at work, and I'll be gone most of the day. Just got a complaint.

[Blade6119]

Crap..I'm behind at work, and I'll be gone most of the day. Just got a complaint.
No worries, sorry your behind...work hard buddy, work hard... :( ;)

[Raiders Army]

I'm still on the phone, but I'll get a message out before i go.

[Blade6119]

Im telling most of the truth...some things i cant share as they would help the wolves.(or ardent has said i cant share) Hows this for trying to earn your trust? At the beginning of the game i was offered the option of which team i wanted to win with.(who i wanted my allegience to be with)...i chose to go for a villager victory...if i had picked wolves i would not have known them, but would have won if they won. As a villager i win with the villagers, and mostly through luck have found a few things out. But as for who the wolves are i know as much as you do currently.

Anyone have an idea what role i could have?
So to make spleen happy, yes...no, i did not know we were facing the "others" till i got my role...it was a total mistake to post that, as i had assumed it had been posted already. A sloppy error, which has led to me having to do all of this. Luckily, im the one role the wolves do NOT want to mess with. I can gurantee they will be drastically hurt if they do. It all makes sense in show terms too when you hear my role(which ill give soon if you guys dont get)

[Blade6119]

dola, i did not study this coming in like i said...my comments about not knowing anything earlier were entirely true. Saying i studied was to prevent having to do this. When my defense of the lost thread(i thought a solid one too) failed, i went to this. Basically the only way i die is through lynch. Which is why im doing this...i do not want to be lynched.

[hoopsguy]

Are you playing a Season 1 or Season 2 named character? So far I haven't seen anything about Season 2 characters in the game, although there have been some assumptions out there by people that there is a mix of 1/2 characters in this game.

[Blade6119]

Are you playing a Season 1 or Season 2 named character? So far I haven't seen anything about Season 2 characters in the game, although there have been some assumptions out there by people that there is a mix of 1/2 characters in this game.
Character is an interesting classification im not sure applies to me. I was on the island before the plane crash if im not mistaken

[Blade6119]

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Another tidbit for you...you were a very late swap(post deadline) for the assasin. King was as good as dead up until like an hour AFTER the deadline when the assasin got cold feet. If he had gone king, king WOULD have died. For better or worse, i cant say.

[Raiders Army]

What I see here are groups being formed. I really believe that Blade is a survivor. Spleen, on the other hand, I believe is an other; and at this point I think that mckerney is as well. I will vote for one of them this morning within the next 10 minutes.

[hoopsguy]

What do you suppose you would do if you encountered Locke? Or Eko?

Am I in the right ballpark?

[Raiders Army]

VOTE BLADE6119
I gotta go with spleen on this one. My previous post with his discrepancy voting and then a vote with no explanation.

VOTE SPLEEN1015

[Raiders Army]

I have an inspection today so I won't be back in the office until about 1630 EST.

[Blade6119]

What do you suppose you would do if you encountered Locke? Or Eko?

Am I in the right ballpark?
If i encountered Locke it would likely have no effect unless i had ill will for him.
Im not quite sure on eko...if he is which character i think he is then absolutely nothing would happen

[Blade6119]

Note my comment about not really being a character. What other options have been talked about on the island if im not an other or a plane crash survivor? Once we get that i can expand on everything

[hoopsguy]

I was hinting at the security system as the role ...

[Blade6119]

I was hinting at the security system as the role ...
No, but same idea...theres another "entity" on the island

[Blade6119]

dola, though with my role it might be a fair bet there is a security system role

[Blade6119]

WAIT A TICK....a misunderstanding has just been corrected for me...I AM the security system...my role is the black smoke, which i was just informed by the trusty admin is actually one and the same with the security system...sorry to confuse hoops

[spleen1015]

By voting for me, Raiders Army has shown me that he is an 'other'. Were he a surivior, he would know that I am one as well if he is paying attention.

I have confidence that KWhit, hoops, Blade, and myself are good guys. KWhit and hoops I am 100% sure about and Blade about 80%.

UNVOTE BLADE6119
VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I am very close to giving up how I know these folks are good guys, but I want to hold off to see if I can figure out who else is on the good side.

[Blade6119]

By voting for me, Raiders Army has shown me that he is an 'other'. Were he a surivior, he would know that I am one as well if he is paying attention.

I have confidence that KWhit, hoops, Blade, and myself are good guys. KWhit and hoops I am 100% sure about and Blade about 80%.

UNVOTE BLADE6119
VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I am very close to giving up how I know these folks are good guys, but I want to hold off to see if I can figure out who else is on the good side.
Quick question...im not supporting raiders, but since im a good guy, and i dont have even close to the same PM you got(i pray not) does that mean were not both on the same side? Think that there might be good guys who didnt get the same PM you did before saying becuase they didnt share your view their evil. Often, as funny as it sounds, its good guys who are opposing you early and bad guys chummying up

[Alan T]

Ok if Blade is telling the truth, which I honestly have no idea how much of this adds up... Hopefully someone with more lost knowledge than me can validate some of his statements at his possibly having a role as the security system. Anyhows, if he is telling the truth, this puzzles me more about mckerney.

He was virtually the clincher vote for a villager lynch yesterday, and then according to Blade (if Blade is being honest here) was protected that night from an attack? Why would you protect someone who killed a villager like that?

It seems like right now my choices for the day are either A) Pennyweis , or B) Someone else. I've been reading along with everyone's thoughts about why Pennyweis is not on our side, and i still don't see anything that made him any more or less suspicious than Blade or Raiders in his day 1 vote. It seems to me alot of people are jumping on the lynch Penny bandwagon just out of headsteam. Blade likely won't be a lynch target today since he seems to have done a role reveal (even though he said earlier on that any role reveals on this day likely would help the others).. I still don't see why Penny is any more or less suspicious than Raiders right now.

I guess I don't like the bandwagon forming for Penny right now.. so going to go a different direction

VOTE Mckerney

[spleen1015]

Quick question...im not supporting raiders, but since im a good guy, and i dont have even close to the same PM you got(i pray not) does that mean were not both on the same side? Think that there might be good guys who didnt get the same PM you did before saying becuase they didnt share your view their evil. Often, as funny as it sounds, its good guys who are opposing you early and bad guys chummying up

You are absolutely right. I think I am stuck looking for a certain red flag identifying survivors that may not be the same red flag for all survivors.

My vote for Raiders was a very quick reaction, but I stand by my vote at this point. It is time to look into Mr. Raiders some more...

[Celeval]

WAIT A TICK....a misunderstanding has just been corrected for me...I AM the security system...my role is the black smoke, which i was just informed by the trusty admin is actually one and the same with the security system...sorry to confuse hoopsInteresting. I was actually going down the line of Rousseau (who was also on the island pre-crash, and has held her own against the Others).

The interesting implication is that the security system is not on the same 'side' of the Others - although that's more interesting to think about in terms of the show than the game.

[Blade6119]

(even though he said earlier on that any role reveals on this day likely would help the others)
When did i say this...i remember mr. w saying this repeatedly and i quoted it...i never expressed those sentiments i believe.

My role special power is basically that i can do a lot of damage if attacked by someone...if the others attack me i would most likely either not die(with 1-2 others dying) or die(with 2 dying) if im not mistaken...actual result depends upon dice roll, with an 80/20 chances respectively. Knowledge i picked up about the assasin was utter luck, and i doubt i will be recieving it again. Im basically a blessed villager with the means to fight back...anyone else have questions? I can do what i can to answer

[spleen1015]

Just wanted to make a quick note...

SnDvls voted for Gramm in post 147 and then Gramm died at the hands of The Others later on...

[Blade6119]

Interesting. I was actually going down the line of Rousseau (who was also on the island pre-crash, and has held her own against the Others).

The interesting implication is that the security system is not on the same 'side' of the Others - although that's more interesting to think about in terms of the show than the game.
I could have won with either side, so i dont know if the security system has ever supported either side really. But ardent gave me two options and i picked the villager option. If i hadnt i would not have told you everything i have. If i didnt feel safe from the others i wouldnt have given all i have either, as if i were them i wouldnt like this one bit. From my limited understanding, im fairly safe if you guys dont lynch me. And ive ceased getting information i was lucky enough to recieve due to my role...im really just a glorified blessed role now

[Blade6119]

Just wanted to make a quick note...

SnDvls voted for Gramm in post 147 and then Gramm died at the hands of The Others later on...
Which tells me sun is good...sun is usually far more active as a wolf, and i doubt he would link himself this early to the dead.

[spleen1015]

Which tells me sun is good...sun is usually far more active as a wolf, and i doubt he would link himself this early to the dead.

It is interesting that you say this now. I was close to making a post about this, but thought it was useless.

I feel like the wolfs would be more active. I don't know why, but I don't think a wolf would have a low level of activity like we are seeing from many of the folks playing.

[Blade6119]

It is interesting that you say this now. I was close to making a post about this, but thought it was useless.

I feel like the wolfs would be more active. I don't know why, but I don't think a wolf would have a low level of activity like we are seeing from many of the folks playing.
I tend to heavily disagree...most wolves will play more low-key...those are the ones to worry about(schmidty sure has been quiet this game)..the active ones are usual good, and generally you see them get picked off...killing gram makes sense since gram had a fair amount of show knowledge. Sun is different...as a wolf hes crazy lol...he HATES DYING...but generally when hes bad hes around more...most go quieter as a wolf...most being the key word

[Alan T]

When did i say this...i remember mr. w saying this repeatedly and i quoted it...i never expressed those sentiments i believe.

My role special power is basically that i can do a lot of damage if attacked by someone...if the others attack me i would most likely either not die(with 1-2 others dying) or die(with 2 dying) if im not mistaken...actual result depends upon dice roll, with an 80/20 chances respectively. Knowledge i picked up about the assasin was utter luck, and i doubt i will be recieving it again. Im basically a blessed villager with the means to fight back...anyone else have questions? I can do what i can to answer


#526, you said the following:

I dont even want hints today...too early to be giving the wolves crumbs to follow in my mind...im betting the only way were going to get any insight is to get some votes out there

[Alan T]

I tend to heavily disagree...most wolves will play more low-key...those are the ones to worry about(schmidty sure has been quiet this game)..the active ones are usual good, and generally you see them get picked off...killing gram makes sense since gram had a fair amount of show knowledge. Sun is different...as a wolf hes crazy lol...he HATES DYING...but generally when hes bad hes around more...most go quieter as a wolf...most being the key word

The last few games at least Schmidty has been quieter, only jumping in when someone mentions his name. Its hard to get a read on him ever because he -always- sounds like a wolf in his responses, even when a normal villager. :)

[spleen1015]

I am severely disappointed that I will be unavailable after 4pm EST today until about midnight.

Is there anyway I can let someone vote for me as a proxy? :D

[Blade6119]

#526, you said the following:
i said i didnt want people giving them hints about their special roles(like wednesday did)...i dont doubt that helped the wolves decide to kill him...i REALLY dont want our bodyguard/seer/etc. hinting at their roles..the only reason i bring mine out is i am no real threat to the wolves and they are no real threat to me...any other time id agree with you.

[Blade6119]

The last few games at least Schmidty has been quieter, only jumping in when someone mentions his name. Its hard to get a read on him ever because he -always- sounds like a wolf in his responses, even when a normal villager. :)
Hes the anti-blade...only jumping in when called out...i jump in when anyone is even viewing the thread :p

[Alan T]

i said i didnt want people giving them hints about their special roles(like wednesday did)...i dont doubt that helped the wolves decide to kill him...i REALLY dont want our bodyguard/seer/etc. hinting at their roles..the only reason i bring mine out is i am no real threat to the wolves and they are no real threat to me...any other time id agree with you.


I guess I still don't see that Mr. W was killed by anything other than a lynch. Maybe I am taking the front post too literally like you are saying. I'm hoping that we figure more out about how the lynch works after day 2 for sure. You seem to either be blowing alot of smoke, or have alot more info about whats going on than I do though, so I'm stuck to either blindly trust what you are saying about Mr. W's death and all the other stuff, or to think you are lying. Right now I do not see any reason that you would come out with such a huge story though, so I guess I'm believing you for now. :)

[Blade6119]

I guess I still don't see that Mr. W was killed by anything other than a lynch. Maybe I am taking the front post too literally like you are saying. I'm hoping that we figure more out about how the lynch works after day 2 for sure. You seem to either be blowing alot of smoke, or have alot more info about whats going on than I do though, so I'm stuck to either blindly trust what you are saying about Mr. W's death and all the other stuff, or to think you are lying. Right now I do not see any reason that you would come out with such a huge story though, so I guess I'm believing you for now. :)
Your misunderstanding me...when i say for the wolves to kill him, i mean make sure he is lynched(like how when he was tied suddenly he got three votes(and one was a swap from king)...if im a wolf, and i see him hinting he has a special role when hes on the block, im going to try and make sure he goes quietly THAT day

[Alan T]

Hmm Blade, one of the earlier theories that someone had was that a person was jailed, and then the "jailer" would decide if they lived or died while the jailer was still alive. One person tossed out the idea of the security system making this call. Now that you are saying you have a role similar to or exactly like this can you say whether or not you had any role in the death of Mr.W?

Is that how you know it wasn't just a case of him being lynched?

[Alan T]

Your misunderstanding me...when i say for the wolves to kill him, i mean make sure he is lynched(like how when he was tied suddenly he got three votes(and one was a swap from king)...if im a wolf, and i see him hinting he has a special role when hes on the block, im going to try and make sure he goes quietly THAT day


Ahh I see, thats why you had earlier mistrust of hoops, mckerney, etc.
Ok, I think I was taking what you said literaly.

[KWhit]

Hmmmm... Very interesting turn of events overnight. I'm not sure what to believe at this point.

Something I find very interesting is that Blade states the following:


Luckily, im the one role the wolves do NOT want to mess with. I can gurantee they will be drastically hurt if they do. It all makes sense in show terms too when you hear my role(which ill give soon if you guys dont get).


Basically the only way i die is through lynch. Which is why im doing this...i do not want to be lynched.
If true, why would he post this? If he is truly on the survivors side, wouldn't he want to keep this to himself and let the others attack him? It sounds like drawing an attack to him would hurt the others - it would take away one of their night kills and possibly take down one of them too (his "drastically hurt" comment).

He obviously felt that he needed a role reveal to clear his name, but there are a couple of things that trouble me about it:

1) It was hours and hours before the voting deadline and Blade doesn't have many votes on him at all (maybe 1, I think...) - seems too early for a role reveal.

2) He gave away the element of surprise (and a huge advantage for us survivors) by telling the others that he can't be killed by them. THAT'S A BIG GIFT THAT HE JUST GAVE TO THE OTHERS IF TRUE! And I don't think he needed to include that information as part of his role reveal. So why did he? Maybe to explain why the others don't kill him tonight (and tomorrow night, etc.) if he avoids lynching.

I'm not saying I don't believe him, but it deserves more scrutiny.

[Blade6119]

You seem to either be blowing alot of smoke, or have alot more info about whats going on than I do though, so I'm stuck to either blindly trust what you are saying about Mr. W's death and all the other stuff, or to think you are lying. Right now I do not see any reason that you would come out with such a huge story though, so I guess I'm believing you for now. :)
I know my role, and i know what happened with an assasination attempt on night one...past that i know nothing...so since you know your role all i know more then you is the assasination attempt

[Celeval]

Hmm Blade, one of the earlier theories that someone had was that a person was jailed, and then the "jailer" would decide if they lived or died while the jailer was still alive. One person tossed out the idea of the security system making this call. Now that you are saying you have a role similar to or exactly like this can you say whether or not you had any role in the death of Mr.W?

Is that how you know it wasn't just a case of him being lynched?
I'll respond to this from a show POV after Blade does from his.