WW LXVI: Money Money Money (Game Over!)

[Barkeep49]

What bad form not to even put in an appearance. This is a crisis and Swaggs couldn't even be bothered to give a how do you do. Yes the strings that were pulled to make sure his largest customer switched business was well worth it. The man is destitute now. Bankrupt. Sure he wasn't a Cutthroat, but he didn't really seem like one of you either.

In other news you hear that the following services were won:
Private Investigator - $7500
Friend of the Bank - $7
Government Insider - $30000

You hear about this and feel for that poor bodyguard. He didn't get one cent richer today. That seems almost as tragic as the now certain death to come tonight.

Final Vote Count:
Lathum – hoops (110)
Swaggs – Alan (149), Lathum (155), Pass (156), Render (157), Mr. W (168), The Jackal (192), saldana (198), path (215), Schmidty (229), Tyrith (231)
Sndvls – mauboy(151)
Mau – Sndvls (190)
Hoops – Chief Rum (201)
Jackal – claphams (205)

[claphamsa]

7$? WTF!

[Tyrith]

I figured something like that would happen with that. But in this game increments less than 5,000 dollars aren't easily useable, so I didn't bid on that.

No one bid on the BG...that's insanely lame, but again something I figured might happen. But there's a good case to be made for everyone putting out some small bid on something, because these services can help.

More later.

[SnDvls]

looking at the "jobs" again I'd be willing to be the wolves bid for the Gov't insider by pooling their funds...I hope I'm wrong though.

It's a service that is good until the end of the game and could be a game changer.

[Tyrith]

looking at the "jobs" again I'd be willing to be the wolves bid for the Gov't insider by pooling their funds...I hope I'm wrong though.

It's a service that is good until the end of the game and could be a game changer.

Well, 30k is a single person max, so it didn't necessarily have to be two people.

[SnDvls]

Well, 30k is a single person max, so it didn't necessarily have to be two people.

this is true, I was more thinking along the lines of them having really only one "bid" person, but it still works with one emptying thier pockets too.

[Lathum]

I think they did 30K to throw us off .

Something Hoops would do.

[Barkeep49]

Everyone should have received a PM telling them how much cash they have available to them at the moment. If you wish to change between what you have on hand and in the bank now is the time to do so. I did NOT include money that you have in CDs. That money is still yours, but the PM strictly stated cash immediately available to you.

[Alan T]

I don't want to talk much about what I did or didn't do with my bid while it is night time. I would rather leave less information for the wolves to go on for their night target. I'll give my thoughts tommorrow morning.

[Lathum]

I don't want to talk much about what I did or didn't do with my bid while it is night time. I would rather leave less information for the wolves to go on for their night target. I'll give my thoughts tommorrow morning.

so are you saying you bidded?

[Lathum]

well?

[Alan T]

so are you saying you bidded?


I am not going to say anything until the morning. If I bid and won a bid, then I would have less money and be less attractive to them. If I bid and lost a bid, I would have more money and be more attractive to them.

I think the best approach is wait for the sun to rise and give my thoughts.. that way they have to take a guess on going after me and getting nothing, or very little cash, or getting money I may have.

I am hoping others do likewise, any discussion regarding what we did with our bids can easily be had tommorrow.

[Alan T]

well?

Sheesh, impatient much? Ever consider I might be doing other things than just hitting F5 here? :) I'm kind of busy trying to update a bbcf league web page right now.

[Lathum]

It seems to me alan is trying to hide something

[Alan T]

It seems to me alan is trying to hide something


Yes... I kind of said I was hiding it. I'll give my thoughts in the morning. What is so important to you that you MUST have that information right now?

Either I am a wolf, and I will be around in the morning, or I am a good guy, and even if I get night killed I don't have some evil agenda I am hiding from you.

The better question is why are you so anxious to get this information out for the wolves to use at night?

[Alan T]

And just like that he leaves the conversation.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, clearly you have an agenda :)

No surprise on Swaggs, although I am surprised that people did not get votes in and lost out on the 15K.

[Swaggs]

Hey guys --

Apologies to Barkeep and all. I believe there must have been a misunderstanding, as I did not sign up to play in the game. BK sent me a PM a few days ago and I told him I would check out the thread when I got a chance, but I have been busy between work/school and have the in-laws in for a visit, and never replied to confirm or decline. I noticed that I had a PM from BK right before I left for work today, but I didn't have time to reply or check in.

Sorry again--hopefully it didn't screw things up too badly.

[Tyrith]

Now, about this...

If I'm you, I'm wondering why Tyrith is pinning the runaway on you more than I'm wondering about me trying to orchestrate your doom. I'm not, it is pretty much coincidence that you came up in those quotes on a day that you were my "not-so-random" Day 1 vote.

The post he's referring to.

Yeah, I know that feeling. But the problem is that the idea makes too much sense. The vote that strikes me as the worst is Lathum's hit and run that started the landslide, but after what you've said then who the heck knows what that means. Probably nothing, but it's a data point at least.

I made it pretty clear there that all I was doing was pointing out a slight possibility. And the reasons why I pointed that out would be pretty obvious -- there were two votes made immediately after him on the same target, which under a lot of circumstances would be seen as a point of interest. No big deal there, no pursuit. So why the language designed to set him against me? I know you're being good ol' hoops, always trying to stir up some action and ask questions :P Manipulation, however, will be frowned upon.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I am hoping to understand Day 1 a little better than I do at the moment - guilty as charged.

From your vantage point, were you surprised at Passacaglia's response to your post?

[Tyrith]

Well, I am hoping to understand Day 1 a little better than I do at the moment - guilty as charged.

From your vantage point, were you surprised at Passacaglia's response to your post?

Not really. Pretty normal back and forth. At least someone was saying something.

[Tyrith]

I remember when we used to be night owls, too :P

[RendeR]

Holy crap, someone really wanted that government insider bid. Empty pockets anyone?

[Chief Rum]

Holy crap, someone really wanted that government insider bid. Empty pockets anyone?

Here's a thought. Unless the wolves can pool their money, someone bid all of their cash to buy the insider. And guess who will know who it is? The winner of the Friend in the Bank.

[Chief Rum]

I can't wait for revelations, as I will be leaving before night ends, and won't be back until after the late deadline.

I am sticking with my vote from today, as I still have a funny feel for hoops' play so far. I also included an alternate choice if hoops gets a visit from the Cutthroats. Hopefully Barkeep will allow this.

VOTE HOOPSGUY (and if he gets killed tonight, VOTE ARLES)

[Chief Rum]

Something to note: My vote for Hoops and then Arles is not intended to be two votes (with one costing $10K). It's either one or the other, with the Arles vote only taking place if hoops gets killed tonight. Essentially this is a conditional vote that I don't want to "count" until after the night results are out, and the conditional is no longer necessary.

Also, I will bold the vote here, so it stands out more. This is NOT a second vote for either party.

VOTE HOOPSGUY (and if he gets killed tonight, VOTE ARLES)

[Barkeep49]

You pick up the morning newspaper to find out that overnight Lathum was killed. He was reportedly beaten to death. Police report the murder weapon appears to be a football trophy of some sort. His beneficiary hoopsguy could not be reached for comment.

Day 2 has now begun

[Barkeep49]

Today's services you may bid for are:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: Winning player protected from attacks. Must be used Night 2.
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 2.
Telecommunications Mogul: May choose on Day 3 to either block all Cutthroat communication, or to allow all players PM rights.

Please remember that you should include the service and bid amount in the title of your PM. One of yesterday's winners would have been a loser, but the should have been winner didn't use the formatting and his bid was overlooked.

[saldana]

i heart barkeep's sense of humor.

[saldana]

Here's a thought. Unless the wolves can pool their money, someone bid all of their cash to buy the insider. And guess who will know who it is? The winner of the Friend in the Bank.

this is incorrect.

all the winner of the friend will know is who has money in the bank....he will no nothing about who has how much cash on hand

[saldana]

this is true, I was more thinking along the lines of them having really only one "bid" person, but it still works with one emptying thier pockets too.

the cutthroats can move money via pm, so it could have been two of them combined

[claphamsa]

mornign all!

[hoopsguy]

Wow, crowded house this morning. Wish I could stay and chat a little longer but I have to get to a client through a foot of snow :(

Lathum, sorry to see you dead so early. Thanks for thinking of me as beneficiary - I'll try to put the cash to good use.

For what it is worth, I had initially listed Swaggs as my beneficiary. Path said last night that he didn't think he had a chance of being my choice, given that he was a wolf that helped me get killed as a villager. But the opposite was true - I decided to "reward" one of the two guys who did that, but chose Swaggs instead of Path. That is one of the reasons I was disappointed to see how yesterday went down. I had to put in 10K to change my beneficiary last night or risk seeing my money lost from the game.

I'll look to check in again later this morning and see if anyone has published new information. I'm hoping that there is at least one person out there who will be cleared courtesy of the seer service.

[Schmidty]

My suggestion: Whoever wins the auction for the Seer ability needs to check out hoops now that he's rooolllllling in the dough.

[Alan T]

Wow, crowded house this morning. Wish I could stay and chat a little longer but I have to get to a client through a foot of snow :(

Lathum, sorry to see you dead so early. Thanks for thinking of me as beneficiary - I'll try to put the cash to good use.

For what it is worth, I had initially listed Swaggs as my beneficiary. Path said last night that he didn't think he had a chance of being my choice, given that he was a wolf that helped me get killed as a villager. But the opposite was true - I decided to "reward" one of the two guys who did that, but chose Swaggs instead of Path. That is one of the reasons I was disappointed to see how yesterday went down. I had to put in 10K to change my beneficiary last night or risk seeing my money lost from the game.

I'll look to check in again later this morning and see if anyone has published new information. I'm hoping that there is at least one person out there who will be cleared courtesy of the seer service.


Heh, it is interesting that you say that. I also chose Swaggs as my beneficiary originally too. That is why I wanted to give him a chance to show up yesterday. Was bad luck that I picked someone who wasn't around.

Some other thoughts from yesterday.. Anyone have any idea what the tie-breaker for bidding on services was? I bid 30k yesterday on the Government Insider service, but did -not- get it. One of the reasons I didn't want to comment too much last night is because I failed to get the service, I ended up with that cash plus the 15k from voting all on hand last night. I realized that would make a juicy target for the wolves and also realized if too many other people commented about failing to bid for services, or how much they bid on things, that would directly help the wolves know who to go for.

Hoops, I have a big question for you, you mentioned thanking Lathum for the cash he passed on, but my understanding was that on wolf kills, they got the money from the person they killed unless it was in the bank? I didn't win the friend of the bank, so perhaps that was just a case of lathum passing you cash from the bank is all this is. I'm guessing that at least could be something verifyable from whomever did win the friend of the bank.

Other thoughts about the services that were from yesterday.. I think whomever bought the seer service should reveal who they scanned. Since you arent a true seer, and it is just a one time thing, the risk/reward of the reveal is heavily weighted to revealing to try to start a circle of trust.

For the friend of the bank service, I am hesitant to push for whomever won that to reveal any information from that as it might help the wolves more than us.. but some things that would be good to know.. Does anyone have more than 30k in the bank? Can you verify how much money hoops may or may not have gotten from Lathum? Other than that, I think it is too risky to go much further.

Finally.. I am still troubled about how the government insider service was won. I bid everything i had, so couldn't go any higher. Maybe the tie-breaker is simply the first one to submit, or the last one to submit or something else.. but part of me is worried that the tiebreaker goes to a wolf over a villager or something along those lines to "balance gameplay" or something. I worry that a wolf ended up winning the service.

[Schmidty]

I worry that a wolf ended up winning the service.

Or maybe a wolf didn't win it. Just sayin'.

Why am I just sayin'? Because I am bored at work.

[Alan T]

Dola,

Also regarding chief's vote for hoopsguy.. I realize that Chief voted before the night results were out, so unless he is a wolf, he wouldn't know of any night event that may or may not have implicated hoops.. I think the wise choice here would be to not bankrupt Hoopsguy today regardless if his response about getting the money from Lathum after he was wolf killed doesn't add up. Since Hoops is likely the richest among us, I think based on risk/reward once again we should consider trying to keep him around and as Schmidty says whomever wins the seer service should scan him tonight.
If he is a wolf, it would turn up with the scan, and we can take care of him then. If he is a villager, it would be nice to keep him and his horde of cash around as we want as much money for our side as we can get. I'm actually leaning more towards voting for Chief Rum right now off of gut instinct, but since you can't unvote I'll hold off quite a while on that.

[Alan T]

Or maybe a wolf didn't win it. Just sayin'.

Why am I just sayin'? Because I am bored at work.


Possibly that is the case.. I just was suprised that I didn't win it. I put my bid in early in the day for it and assumed I won a couple of the possible tiebreakers. Barkeep's rules says the tiebreaker is not random, so when I didn't win, I got a bit worried.

As for today's services:

Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: Winning player protected from attacks. Must be used Night 2.
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 2.
Telecommunications Mogul: May choose on Day 3 to either block all Cutthroat communication, or to allow all players PM rights.


Once again, I think we don't have to overbid a ton on the bodyguard or private investigator services, it doesn't matter which of us gets it, I think they should end up scanning hoops tonight. The big one that I think the wolves might bid heavily on today is the telecommunications mogul.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I don't want to quote PMs but it was quite clear to me that I received money via inheritance.

We have two people dead, one of whom (Swaggs) never submitted Night 0 actions. That pretty much leaves Lathum.

I'm all for having someone scan me tonight, just as I'm fine with the idea that I might have been the target of a scan last night. However, now that I'm identified in Barkeep's writeup (post #277) as the beneficiary, I'm sure I become a more appealing target for the wolves to convert.

Just putting the cards out there on the table - I began the game as "Rich" and remain on that side now, but if they throw a big enough pile of money out there (per the rules) then I'll get to do the mid-game switcheroo. So I would encourage people to not pass along unlimited trust to those that are seer-cleared early in the game.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I'm up for the idea of spreading the wealth among players to some extent today. I figure I have a few options available:
1.) spread the wealth out among players - this minimizes my risk of being a wolf target at night. It also minimizes the risk that would be inherent of giving a big pile of money to any one player. If I do this I would probably select 3+ players to "gift" between now and the end of the day
2.) keep the money with the intent of going big for a service
3.) keep the money with the idea of stockpiling cash to help out my team since I know with 100% certainty that I'm "Rich" and don't have that certainty for anyone else

I'm willing to listen to suggestions, either on these three ideas or alternative plans.

[hoopsguy]

One more note, responding to Alan's question - I received word that I had money in my bank account. I don't want to comment on the amount of money (there was some, obviously, since I'm discussing it) and I don't know if Lathum had additional funds that were lost on his death due to not being in the bank.

[hoopsguy]

If/when the person that won "friend of bank" wants to discuss either Lathum's or my holdings let me know.

OK, time to get some work done unless someone shows up to chat with me ... not really looking to get a monster "dola" run going this morning.

[Alan T]

test post

[Alan T]

Hmm, wrote up a reply post and its not going through.. Having problems posting long posts from work today it appears.. lets see if I can get it to post.

[Alan T]

Personally, i would say if you are on our side, don't give the money around to others who may or may not be on our side. There is a bodyguard service that can be bought fairly cheap it appears that you can use to help keep safe as well.

I don't have a problem with you having alot of money. I have a problem with you having alot of money if you are a wolf. If you aren't a wolf, then unless you have someone else you can trust, you might as well just protect yourself while the rest of us figure out for sure what side you are on.

This game feels to me like it doesn't matter how many people are on each side, it only matters how much money is on each side. So you passing off money to questionable people if you are good hurts us.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, the difficulty is that if/when the bad guys have 100K they can bribe me and there is nothing that I can do to stop it. If they feel like I'm going to be bringing equal value in terms of money + trust, then it is a good investment for them. So I'm not sure that I want to stockpile unlimited cash because it makes me a target for conversion.

Barkeep, can the bodyguard protect against a bribe?

Barkeep, do the Cutthroats have any (inherent) abilities beyond those available for purchase by all players? I didn't see anything in the rules one way or the other on this.

[Schmidty]

So if hoops (or anyone) is cleared publically, there's nothing to say they won't be bribed right after that, which pretty much makes the Seer ability useless after the day the player's role is revealed.

That pretty much sucks unless the person you scan is a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, I think you grant some trust but the value of that trust should diminish as days go by. It should diminish especially quickly if there is reason to believe that person has access to a good amount of money. That is my take on it.

[Alan T]

Ugh.. having a horrible time posting on the board this morning.

[Alan T]

This was my attempted post in reply to Schmidty:

I don't think the differences in this game changes my fundamental belief in how to handle possible conversions. I think you have to go for people who aren't cleared and are possible wolves before you go for people who are cleared and trying to take a stab in the dark at a conversion.

[Alan T]

In reply to one of Hoops's earlier posts

Perhaps you should weigh risk/reward then on the amount of money you have vs conversion cost. If you are going to give them more than they would give up converting you, then yes I can see the point about moving money around.

Since Lathum was a villager though, unless you started off bad, it would cost far more to convert you than they would make back.. or am I missing something? I can see as time goes on that might change as we get 15k each day though.

[Schmidty]

But wouldn't it make the most sense for the wolves to convert the cleared person the very next night, because of the exact reason you just gave?

This was my attempted post in reply to Schmidty:

I don't think the differences in this game changes my fundamental belief in how to handle possible conversions. I think you have to go for people who aren't cleared and are possible wolves before you go for people who are cleared and trying to take a stab in the dark at a conversion.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, in terms of conversions I would like the Cutthroats to assume a 100K figure. That may or may not be the number they need to bid.

I start with 30K in assets, as does Lathum. We both don't win services (may or may not be true) and get 15K at night for casting a Day 1 vote. My net worth is now around 90K. Add on the value of generating trust, plus the fact that I can silently move money to a comrade if I'm in trouble, and it is probably worth it for them to try and convert me tonight since I'll be getting another 15K for putting in a vote.

Now, the above numbers are not reflective of current state. I had to burn 10K naming a new beneficiary. Either Lathum or I may have obtained services, he may have had on-hand money, etc. But the money does add up quickly, to the point where even a 100K investment doesn't seem that rash as I look at it from their perspective.

Oh, and one more point - if they are converting people that is one less 15K vote per day for us and one more 15K vote per day for them. I think that is pretty significant. If I was a Cutthroat I would be trying to figure out who are the most likely to set low bribe costs just for that value alone. Any extra cash they bring to the table is just a bonus.

[Alan T]

To Schmidty: I'm not sure, I guess the answer to some of the questions Hoops asked regarding if bodyguard can block conversion attempts would come into play.

[Alan T]

To Hoops: I understand your point, and you have to do what you think is best with your money. I guess i would just assume you would be looking into things like spending money on a bodyguard if you are good and get revealed as such, plus changing beneficiary, etc. In my mind it just seemed like for them to convert you would cost them more money than its worth just yet.

I think that the conversation has gotten a bit off track from what I was looking for though. I was making just a side comment regarding how I would handle the money.

[Alan T]

Sorry to all for all of the short posts. It seems for anything to go through for me with where I am posting from today, I have to keep them short.

I guess I'll use the Ardent posting style today.. Alot of small posts!

[Alan T]

Hoops, what were your thoughts regarding Lathum's death and what it means in regards to all of the people you looked at last night? You brought up the names Tyrith, Passacaglia and then Chief jumped in the middle as well of your discussion. What does Lathum being good mean to you regarding those three?

[hoopsguy]

Main point that I take from last night is that Tyrith's post was fairly quick to make Lathum the swing vote on the Swaggs runaway. As I watched it go down I saw a couple of votes come in pretty quick succession:

4:58 Lathum
4:59 Passacaglia
5:11 RendeR

And I didn't have the vibe that Lathum was a swing vote, at least not in the sense that there was a dogfight between two candidates and he created some major shift.

Pass defending Lathum - obviously the "two wolves" idea is out the window, although I never take those notions all that seriously. It is hard enough to catch one wolf. I still don't know why Pass would semi-defend Lathum, unless he was worried about the timing on his own vote coming into question.

Chief - outside of the fact he has voted for me twice, I don't have a strong sense for him one way or the other.

[RendeR]

I may have missed this earlier in the thread, but what happens if someone has no beneficiary? Did anyone have Lathum as theirs? Are you forced now to spend 10K to name a new one?

[Alan T]

Render:

I had Swaggs as my beneficiary to start the game. I didn't get any notice from BK regarding it or such, but my understanding was that I either didn't change it (and if I die, money disappears?) or I had to pay 10k to change it to someone else.

If anyone had Lathum they are in the same situation as me now.

[hoopsguy]

RendeR, I had Swaggs as mine. I asked a few questions, here are the answers I got.

No beneficiary = bank money disappears from game on death
You don't have to spend 10K on a new one if you are not so inclined. But the consequences are that the money is gone (for better or worse).
I believe you can name a beneficiary as either a day or night action. I would double-check with BK on this, as I used a night action to do this after Swaggs was removed from the game.

[RendeR]

THanks guys!

I'm fine for now, but I was curious on that note. Great replies =)

[Alan T]

Hoops just likes copying what I say and making it his own! :)

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I have never had an original werewolf thought in my career. I just like to borrow from big thinkers like you ;)

[Tyrith]

Main point that I take from last night is that Tyrith's post was fairly quick to make Lathum the swing vote on the Swaggs runaway. As I watched it go down I saw a couple of votes come in pretty quick succession:

4:58 Lathum
4:59 Passacaglia
5:11 RendeR

And I didn't have the vibe that Lathum was a swing vote, at least not in the sense that there was a dogfight between two candidates and he created some major shift.

Blah, blah, blah, you keep barking us this same tree of acting like I was out to get Lathum :P It was merely pointing out any little thing that happens -- the same thing certain other people used to do, and which you're doing now. Which is fine, except you're carrying it an awful long way, which is not. Hopefully you'll find some new small post to harp on :P

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith, I'm all for finding new small posts to harp on - what have you seen up to this point that has caught your eye?

I would love to be making a more informed decision on Day 2 than Day 1. I'm not married to the idea of pursuing this line of thought, but it is the best I have at the moment.

So far I've seen Alan, Tyrith, Saldana, RendeR, Jackal, Clap, and Pass in the thread this AM. I think SnDvls was here as well, but I'm not sure on this one. So more than half of the people still around in the game. I'm hoping someone has information to help us with a decision today.

[Passacaglia]

I'm hoping someone has information to help us with a decision today.

Me too. I see no reason for the seer not to reveal his findings at this point. First of all, he wouldn't be putting himself in danger, since he's not "The Seer" -- he's just the guy who won the bid today. In fact, he's probably in less danger by revealing, since that means he has less money. Am I missing something?

[Alan T]

Alan, I have never had an original werewolf thought in my career. I just like to borrow from big thinkers like you ;)

:D

[Tyrith]

Me too. I see no reason for the seer not to reveal his findings at this point. First of all, he wouldn't be putting himself in danger, since he's not "The Seer" -- he's just the guy who won the bid today. In fact, he's probably in less danger by revealing, since that means he has less money. Am I missing something?

Only that it would make him a conversion target. But we're so well aware of that possibility that it kind of mitigates that risk.

[Passacaglia]

Only that it would make him a conversion target. But we're so well aware of that possibility that it kind of mitigates that risk.

Right. And if we find out about the results of the scan after a possible conversion, that makes the issue more muddled. At least if we find out now, we'll have some information we can do something with before that happens.

[Tyrith]

Tyrith, I'm all for finding new small posts to harp on - what have you seen up to this point that has caught your eye?

I would love to be making a more informed decision on Day 2 than Day 1. I'm not married to the idea of pursuing this line of thought, but it is the best I have at the moment.

So far I've seen Alan, Tyrith, Saldana, RendeR, Jackal, Clap, and Pass in the thread this AM. I think SnDvls was here as well, but I'm not sure on this one. So more than half of the people still around in the game. I'm hoping someone has information to help us with a decision today.

Only that about half the game is saying absolutely nothing. It's early, I understand, but in this kind of a situation it's easy for the wolves to let us forget the old punish the UTR strategy and let us bark at each other because the ones doing any talking are the only ones providing any potential evidence. If our current course continues it'd be too easy for them to let us bark up the wrong tree.

Not having the BG last night is lame; it cuts our info count in half. But regardless of the conversion risk I'm pretty sure the N1 seer should reveal what happened, just to give us a stick to poke the hornet's nest with.

[hoopsguy]

Well, making an assumption about order of actions:

- conversion prior to seer scan

then by revealing the scanned party every member of the Rich would have two people that they trust for today's vote. So there would be 14 eligible voting candidates instead of 15. Probably not a huge percentage difference, but I'll take it if it is offered.

[Tyrith]

Right. And if we find out about the results of the scan after a possible conversion, that makes the issue more muddled. At least if we find out now, we'll have some information we can do something with before that happens.

Pretty much. It's worth it to us to have the information out there now just so we have the beginning of a basis for orientation in this game. It's too easy in these situations to go randomly lynching people for several days -- although if we do that, I'd much rather it be the quiet people for now, just to see if/how they squirm.

[claphamsa]

Tyrith, I'm all for finding new small posts to harp on - what have you seen up to this point that has caught your eye?

I would love to be making a more informed decision on Day 2 than Day 1. I'm not married to the idea of pursuing this line of thought, but it is the best I have at the moment.

So far I've seen Alan, Tyrith, Saldana, RendeR, Jackal, Clap, and Pass in the thread this AM. I think SnDvls was here as well, but I'm not sure on this one. So more than half of the people still around in the game. I'm hoping someone has information to help us with a decision today.

I was fire drilling :) Gotta love 45 min firedrills!

[hoopsguy]

I wish that BK had answered the questions I asked earlier - going to post them again to make sure they don't get lost.

BK, can you comment on the following?

Barkeep, can the bodyguard protect against a bribe?

Barkeep, do the Cutthroats have any (inherent) abilities beyond those available for purchase by all players? I didn't see anything in the rules one way or the other on this.

[Passacaglia]

Barkeep, can the bodyguard protect against a bribe?


I just PMed Barkeep about this, and he said no. Unfortunate.

[hoopsguy]

Anyone else have thoughts on the possible money strategies I outlined in Post #290? I had some conversation with Alan on it, but haven't heard from anyone else:


Also, I'm up for the idea of spreading the wealth among players to some extent today. I figure I have a few options available:
1.) spread the wealth out among players - this minimizes my risk of being a wolf target at night. It also minimizes the risk that would be inherent of giving a big pile of money to any one player. If I do this I would probably select 3+ players to "gift" between now and the end of the day
2.) keep the money with the intent of going big for a service
3.) keep the money with the idea of stockpiling cash to help out my team since I know with 100% certainty that I'm "Rich" and don't have that certainty for anyone else

I'm willing to listen to suggestions, either on these three ideas or alternative plans.
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[Passacaglia]

I like 1 the most, probably.

2 has merit, but we still don't know if we can trust you. Do you feel comfortable talking about what service you'd want to get?

3 just seems like you're just waiting to be bribed, or are already a cutthroat.

[Tyrith]

1 sounds good, although I'd definitely wait until late in the day to do it. There's not a service that you should spend enough money on today that will make you not rich, in my opinion. And 3, well, I don't really trust you that much right now, so I'd honestly prefer having some of the money out of your hands.

[hoopsguy]

Option 2 - if I bid for a service it will be one where I'm basically trying to get the one I think that the Cutthroats want most. So they either have to go very high to get it or I keep it from them. Beyond that, I don't see much of a reason to explicitly declare which service it may (or may not) be.

Option 3 - I'm not asking to be converted, but I understand that anyone is going to be susceptible to a 100K bribe (or less, depending on the person). So I would prefer to have that out in the open rather than minimized.

What I'm leaning towards doing right now is issuing 3-4 grants of 5K to different players between now and the deadline. That should help reduce my overall net worth, and attractiveness for a bribe attempt, while giving me the (perceived) flexibility to go big after a service.

[Alan T]

Hoops if you are indeed good and do decide to go after a service, I think you should try for the telecommunication service. That seems the one most likely for the wolves to go after. And perhaps by even suggesting going after it, might cause them to spend a fortune to do it.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I think that Telecomm is the most interesting - all of the other services would once again be on the table in coming days. It is a safe bet that I'm strongly considering this service.

[Arles]

Sorry I missed the vote - was busy taking care of the boy yesterday and forgot to log on (didn't go to work). I'll try to catch up and get back in this thing.

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to have a lot less availability to chat over the next few hours, so if people have thoughts on early trust lists I would love to hear them. I've got my own ideas about who I might shift 5K to over the course of the day, but I'm also willing to take feedback from others on who they think should be slightly more trusted at this stage in the game.

[Alan T]

I don't have really any trust built up for anyone, as most everyone isn't talking and the only other person who is alot is you whom I'm waiting to see what the seer says about you.

Due to the lack of talking, I don't really have any un-trust list developed either though so far. With lack of an informed vote, I'll likely go with my gut feeling from earlier and vote Chief. I should be available most of today until about 3:30pm EST or so, so I'm just waiting to see what info we are given today. No real rush to get my vote out.

[Tyrith]

I'm going to have a lot less availability to chat over the next few hours, so if people have thoughts on early trust lists I would love to hear them. I've got my own ideas about who I might shift 5K to over the course of the day, but I'm also willing to take feedback from others on who they think should be slightly more trusted at this stage in the game.

I don't have a clue. Not enough chatter or info for me to make any kind of informed judgment.

[mauchow]

Hey, guys. Just checking in for the day and just wanted to let everyone know that I didn't win any of the prizes for the day since I invested it all in a CD. Not a whole lot going on so far at this point in time.

[SnDvls]

Anyone else have thoughts on the possible money strategies I outlined in Post #290? I had some conversation with Alan on it, but haven't heard from anyone else:

the problem w/ the spreading out of money...per the rules....you have to in thread say who is getting what money so it puts it out in the open and is pretty public too. I worry about the wolves having this info for free at this point.

[Alan T]

I managed to fix my posting issue.. but won't bore anyone with the details (unless anyone here is literally excited about running multiple GRE tunnels over MPLS clouds.

[hoopsguy]

the problem w/ the spreading out of money...per the rules....you have to in thread say who is getting what money so it puts it out in the open and is pretty public too. I worry about the wolves having this info for free at this point.

Yep, so those people will be flagged for having an extra 5K in cash. Everyone will know this, which is why I'm trying to diversify the money. I suppose I could make it even smaller increments and spread it out to a larger number of people. What do you think is the ideal way to accomplish this, given the understood risks/rewards?

I'm also fine with people suggesting that they DO NOT want to be "gifted" cash by me today.

[claphamsa]

Isnt the whole point to have more moeny? I mean woo gimme gimme :D

[Alan T]

Yep, so those people will be flagged for having an extra 5K in cash. Everyone will know this, which is why I'm trying to diversify the money. I suppose I could make it even smaller increments and spread it out to a larger number of people. What do you think is the ideal way to accomplish this, given the understood risks/rewards?

I'm also fine with people suggesting that they DO NOT want to be "gifted" cash by me today.


I am still trying to figure out what you have to gain from this other than one of the following two things:

1) Making yourself less attractive for a wolf night target
2) Paying out "bribes" so to speak for good will.

How many people are left right now? You plus 15 others? How many wolves do we think there are? 3+ convert? 4 +convert? So if you spread it out evenly among a handful of people, say 6 people you give 5k to, you end up having a decent chance of hitting 1 or 2 wolves in the bunch. So you basically gave away 10k in an attempt to do one of the above things.

I guess 10k isn't alot but its a 20k swing from one side to the other, and without knowing how much money you got from Lathum, that has to be a considerable chunk of what you gained.

I think in idea your thought is sound and something to consider for down the road when A) We know more about everyone else and B) The $ amounts are larger and more meaningful.

[claphamsa]

does the night end at 7 am every day? was wierd, I went to bed before the day actions were posted, and by the time I got to check the night actions were posted :(

Not a big deal unless I win a bid.....

[saldana]

ftr, i did not win any services yesterday

as far as the gifting of money goes, it has to be done publically in the thread, so spreading the money out will really only spread the target to those people that receive the money.

i think for now, it is best that everyone keep their money until we get a decent COT, after which, I have an idea or two about how to protect it.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, I'm curious to hear how you think we'll be putting together a sustainable COT this game. Obviously seers reveals play a role but so far we don't have one for today. Are you thinking other actions are going to indicate loyalty?

[saldana]

Saldana, I'm curious to hear how you think we'll be putting together a sustainable COT this game. Obviously seers reveals play a role but so far we don't have one for today. Are you thinking other actions are going to indicate loyalty?

thats the part i havent really figured out yet.

assuming the cutthroats are able to buy the same services we are, there is nothing to protect us...seer scans are essentially worthless unless the person using it actually catches a Cutthroat, and unless the bodyguard service tells you that they saved your ass and who attacked you, we learn nothing from no kill nights

[hoopsguy]

So that is why I'm wondering about your money ideas, which you were suggesting would come into play after we have a decent COT.

I don't believe we'll have as good a COT in this game as we can establish in a traditional game, for better or worse. So I think it makes sense to share ideas now, even if they are in the open, rather than sit tight waiting for a COT that may or may not materialize.

[saldana]

dola, the only way we can get seer scans to work for us is if whomever won the service yesterday reveals today, and then the next person that wins today scans the previous days seer...continuing with that progression would give us 2 clears starting tomorrow, and one more each additional day

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, can the Cutthroats execute both a bribe and an attack during the same evening cycle? Or do they have to choose between one and the other?

Another related question - is there a limit to how many bribe actions the Cutthroats can take? In an evening? Over the course of the game?

[saldana]

of course my whole plan goes straight to shit as soon as a cutthroat wins the bid, and then doesnt reveal anything, like it appears is happening today.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, I'm thinking about the gift idea for the people who didn't vote yesterday. They are already 15K short of the rest of us and I think they are less likely to be a member of the coordinated minority if they didn't get a vote in. Thoughts?

[hoopsguy]

of course my whole plan goes straight to shit as soon as a cutthroat wins the bid, and then doesnt reveal anything, like it appears is happening today.

Enough people have checked in by now for me to share this info, I suppose.

I think that Lathum won the seer last night. I could say more, but I would have to go into some details about my inherit PM to do so and I don't think there is a ton of value in doing so.

I was hoping that this wasn't the case and that someone was going to come forward with seer info, forcing me to re-evaluate the numbers. But at this point I'm basically operating under the idea that we aren't going to have any further seer info to help with our choice today.

[saldana]

Enough people have checked in by now for me to share this info, I suppose.

I think that Lathum won the seer last night. I could say more, but I would have to go into some details about my inherit PM to do so and I don't think there is a ton of value in doing so.

I was hoping that this wasn't the case and that someone was going to come forward with seer info, forcing me to re-evaluate the numbers. But at this point I'm basically operating under the idea that we aren't going to have any further seer info to help with our choice today.

this, if true, complicates things, as we now have no means of starting a COT for 2 more days.

i tend to believe this is true...lathum very seldom dies on night one (i was very surprised he was killed), so i am sure he felt sure he would wake up today and be able to reveal.

[SnDvls]

By the way, I'm thinking about the gift idea for the people who didn't vote yesterday. They are already 15K short of the rest of us and I think they are less likely to be a member of the coordinated minority if they didn't get a vote in. Thoughts?

this seems like a logical choice as they are less likely targets given they already have less money due to not voting.

[path12]

Anyone who gets a bid is notified at the end of the day so they can use the service that night, correct?

And I'm following along for now and have some thoughts, but I need a few minutes to clarify them and unfortunately people keep calling me like they need me to friggin work or something.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, can the Cutthroats execute both a bribe and an attack during the same evening cycle? Or do they have to choose between one and the other?

Another related question - is there a limit to how many bribe actions the Cutthroats can take? In an evening? Over the course of the game?
The cutthroats know the rules about conversions. The rich? They'll have to wait until post game

[DaddyTorgo]

i didn't bid on any services. My $$ is pretty much all tied up in CD's (except for a small amount). I got the impression that the bids to win services would have to be big to start out with, which is why I stayed away.

[Barkeep49]

Anyone who gets a bid is notified at the end of the day so they can use the service that night, correct?

And I'm following along for now and have some thoughts, but I need a few minutes to clarify them and unfortunately people keep calling me like they need me to friggin work or something.
Winning bidders find out when they receive their daily cash update

[DaddyTorgo]

as others have mentioned, with the uncertainty regarding conversions, I don't think we'll be able to form a traditional CoT anyways in this game.

I think everyone's best bet is to hoard the money themselves / use it on services that have benefit rather than trying to spread it around.

i think $$ in this game is basically like people in a more traditional WW game. We want to protect our $$.

Force the cutthroat's to bid high on bribes and services and use their money there, and put ours away in CD's. I'm wondering if the risk/reward of having a beneficiary means that it doesn't make sense to, as you could be giving that money to a cutthroat or someone who gets converted and it's better to just have it dissapear from the game? I guess that's a % play and as it gets later in the game we might want to start thinking along those lines.

Random thoughts on the nature of the game by me.

[Alan T]

I can't imagine you wanting it to disappear from the game.. In a few days, even if we don't have a traditional COT, there will still be at least 1-3 people whom you trust enough to name as a beneficiary.. and I doubt the game will get to a point where there are only 4-5 villagers left (assuming that is how many wolves started), so at worst you would have a 50/50 chance of guessing correctly for your beneficiary.

It seems to me that the wolves want to target kills at people to specifically try to remove money from the game such as what you are suggesting.

[claphamsa]

Enough people have checked in by now for me to share this info, I suppose.

I think that Lathum won the seer last night. I could say more, but I would have to go into some details about my inherit PM to do so and I don't think there is a ton of value in doing so.

I was hoping that this wasn't the case and that someone was going to come forward with seer info, forcing me to re-evaluate the numbers. But at this point I'm basically operating under the idea that we aren't going to have any further seer info to help with our choice today.
un fortunate....

[finketr]

I managed to fix my posting issue.. but won't bore anyone with the details (unless anyone here is literally excited about running multiple GRE tunnels over MPLS clouds.

why in the heck are there multiple GRE tunnels over an MPLS cloud? I suspect you have an issue with MTU and/or fragmenting packets to deal with.

just thinking out loud as that sounds like something i would do to save a couple of bucks here and there.

[hoopsguy]

Semi-hypothetical question - what has more value, denying PM rights for the Cutthroats or open PM rights for all players?

[Alan T]

why in the heck are there multiple GRE tunnels over an MPLS cloud? I suspect you have an issue with MTU and/or fragmenting packets to deal with.

just thinking out loud as that sounds like something i would do to save a couple of bucks here and there.

It is a cost savings measure. At sites that require an internal and an external network connection, instead of buying multiple circuits for 500 different sites, we buy just the internal connection circuit for the 500 sites, and have a GRE tunnel back for all external connectivity to one central site that allows the connectivity outbound.

Of course the numbers are made up, we have far more than 500 sites, but that doesn't matter. My problem was indeed an issue with fragmentation not happening across the MPLS, causing anything over a certain size packet to just choke. I don't usually work from this office, so I had my priorities set the right way... Fix what I need in order to get to FOFC :)

[Alan T]

Semi-hypothetical question - what has more value, denying PM rights for the Cutthroats or open PM rights for all players?

I personally think denying them PM rights. They won't have the ability to organize anything or if one of them somehow comes under fire, they can't mobilize in any way to do anything about it.

If I had PM rights, i really am not sure what I would say to anyone just yet. I have no special information (such as people's bank values or anything from a seer), and don't really have anyone I trust.. so my conversations in private would pretty much just be an extention of anything I said here.

I guess that -could- change depending on what happens today/tonight/whenever if I suddenly had someone I trusted, and had information I didn't want wolves to have, I could spread it around that way.

[claphamsa]

I personally think denying them PM rights. They won't have the ability to organize anything or if one of them somehow comes under fire, they can't mobilize in any way to do anything about it.

If I had PM rights, i really am not sure what I would say to anyone just yet. I have no special information (such as people's bank values or anything from a seer), and don't really have anyone I trust.. so my conversations in private would pretty much just be an extention of anything I said here.

I guess that -could- change depending on what happens today/tonight/whenever if I suddenly had someone I trusted, and had information I didn't want wolves to have, I could spread it around that way.
I agree! Deny them rights. I rember we did the NYE game and eveyrone could PM, I found it very anonnying....

[path12]

I don't know if Lathum had additional funds that were lost on his death due to not being in the bank.

I asked Barkeep what happened to money that was in a CD if a player was night killed. He said that money goes to the beneficiary.

Not having the BG last night is lame.

How do we know we didn't have the BG?

unless the bodyguard service tells you that they saved your ass and who attacked you, we learn nothing from no kill nights

I wonder if you are approached with a bribe below your stated level if you are informed you were approached?

Semi-hypothetical question - what has more value, denying PM rights for the Cutthroats or open PM rights for all players?

Without a doubt I think that denying PM rights to the Cutthroats would be the way to go.

Now, after going through the thread a second time, some general thoughts:

--So Alan bid 30K on a service but didn't get it. Did you format the PM properly? If so, then there is a tiebreaker sort of system that we are not aware of.

From earlier messages it appears the following people bid for sure: Mr W., Lathum, Alan T, claphamsa (who in post 158 suggests he bid 30k, by the way).

--As for the starting money situation for cutthroats vs rich, it seems to me that the cutthroats need to keep a couple of things in mind:

1) If we invest in CD's consistently, the good guys pool at the end of day 4 should outstrip by far the cutthroats money if everyone started with 30K. That suggests to me that they likely started with more than that.

2) It also suggests that they need to be careful not to spend too much in order to make sure they have enough day 4 to balance out our total. Which means that they might have to be more careful in bidding than we think.

I think the following services would be the most important for the cutthroats to try and grab:
Day 2 -- Telecommunications.
Day 3 -- Thief
Day 4 -- Notary Public or Wiretapper

That's all I got right now. I didn't see any posts that really peaked my interest except for claphamsa's announcement that he bid high and has no money, yet subsequent posts suggest he has money on hand. He's probably my likely vote today at this point.

[finketr]

It is a cost savings measure. At sites that require an internal and an external network connection, instead of buying multiple circuits for 500 different sites, we buy just the internal connection circuit for the 500 sites, and have a GRE tunnel back for all external connectivity to one central site that allows the connectivity outbound.

Of course the numbers are made up, we have far more than 500 sites, but that doesn't matter. My problem was indeed an issue with fragmentation not happening across the MPLS, causing anything over a certain size packet to just choke. I don't usually work from this office, so I had my priorities set the right way... Fix what I need in order to get to FOFC :)

hehe.. been there, done that, my friend... just a lucky guess on my part.

[Alan T]

How do we know we didn't have the BG?



I wonder if you are approached with a bribe below your stated level if you are informed you were approached?



Without a doubt I think that denying PM rights to the Cutthroats would be the way to go.

Now, after going through the thread a second time, some general thoughts:

--So Alan bid 30K on a service but didn't get it. Did you format the PM properly? If so, then there is a tiebreaker sort of system that we are not aware of.

From earlier messages it appears the following people bid for sure: Mr W., Lathum, Alan T, claphamsa (who in post 158 suggests he bid 30k, by the way).

--As for the starting money situation for cutthroats vs rich, it seems to me that the cutthroats need to keep a couple of things in mind:

1) If we invest in CD's consistently, the good guys pool at the end of day 4 should outstrip by far the cutthroats money if everyone started with 30K. That suggests to me that they likely started with more than that.

2) It also suggests that they need to be careful not to spend too much in order to make sure they have enough day 4 to balance out our total. Which means that they might have to be more careful in bidding than we think.

I think the following services would be the most important for the cutthroats to try and grab:
Day 2 -- Telecommunications.
Day 3 -- Thief
Day 4 -- Notary Public or Wiretapper

That's all I got right now. I didn't see any posts that really peaked my interest except for claphamsa's announcement that he bid high and has no money, yet subsequent posts suggest he has money on hand. He's probably my likely vote today at this point.

Barkeep said yesterday that no one bid on the bodyguard service yesterday.

Regarding formatting my PM correctly, I actually didn't format it correctly, but Barkeep responded back saying that he would take it that time just in the future to please format it with the service and amount in the title.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I bid on the seer service, but lost because my bid was not large enough.

I plan to bid on a service tonight. At the moment, I haven't decided which one it will be, but even when I do decide, I'm going to keep it to myself.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and I wholeheartedly support the idea of killing the wolf PM rights. I don't see that I have much to gain from being able to PM freely with other players.

[Passacaglia]

I agree that we should make it so that the wolves can't PM each other. While it would be fun, I think that giving all players the ability to PM each other might work to the wolves advantage.

[Passacaglia]

The game will start with a Day 0. Players need to do two three actions during Night 0. First they must state an amount between $20,000 and $100,000. During the game the Cutthroats will have the chance to bribe a player or players. If they meet the asking price for a player, that player will be converted to the cutthroat side and the money removed from the game. If the bribe attempt fails that player gets to keep the attempted bribe.

path, I read this as saying that the player who the wolves tried to bribe gets to keep the money, if it fails. In that case, my guess is that we'd get to find out if an attempt was made on us.

[Alan T]

I can't wait for revelations, as I will be leaving before night ends, and won't be back until after the late deadline.

I am sticking with my vote from today, as I still have a funny feel for hoops' play so far. I also included an alternate choice if hoops gets a visit from the Cutthroats. Hopefully Barkeep will allow this.

VOTE HOOPSGUY (and if he gets killed tonight, VOTE ARLES)


It's about time for me to get out of here for a few hours, possibly until after deadline. It appears we won't have any seer reveals today, so I'm just left with my gut instinct.

Chief seemed to jump in the middle of a fray that he wasn't really involved with yesterday to target Hoops pretty hard. Then at night Lathum (who was also questioning Hoops yesterday) was night killed, followed by Chief's follow up vote on Hoops just for a funny feel before night results were up.

I fully understand Chief had to vote because of his job at the time he did, but a few things about what happened last night nagged at me a bit, so I'll go in Chief's direction with a vote today. Nothing really solid, just playing off of a gut feeling.

Vote Chief Rum

[path12]

path, I read this as saying that the player who the wolves tried to bribe gets to keep the money, if it fails. In that case, my guess is that we'd get to find out if an attempt was made on us.

Cool, so did anyone get extra money that might have been a bribe last night?

I'm wondering if there are any restrictions on their actions -- like can they use a service and kill the same night, or bribe and kill the same night or something along those lines. That might help us in determining the nights when there is a possible conversion.

[Passacaglia]

Cool, so did anyone get extra money that might have been a bribe last night?

I'm wondering if there are any restrictions on their actions -- like can they use a service and kill the same night, or bribe and kill the same night or something along those lines. That might help us in determining the nights when there is a possible conversion.

I think Barkeep answered in post 356 that we don't get to know that stuff.

[hoopsguy]

OK, here is some specific money information that people can either take at face value or assume that I'm playing an angle - whatever floats your boat:
1.) Swaggs was my beneficiary, with his death I named a new one (-10K)
2.) I received money from Lathum as his beneficiary. Based on the fact that I assume he was the seer I didn't have a chunk of money that I would have expected (-7.5K)
3.) I'm going to be bidding on a service (-???K)
4.) I'm planning to "gift" 3K (new modified amount) to Arles and DaddyTorgo - the guys who didn't vote last night who spotted the rest of us 15K by not doing so (-6K)

So I'm going to be out 23.5K from the combination of my money and Lathum's money I received, plus whatever I bid on the service.

The point of this long, winding post is to indicate to the Cutthroats that it will be a fiscally poor move to come after me with a big offer tonight. There should almost certainly be others out there who will be more profitable additions to your stable.

[hoopsguy]

Also, I would like to:

Give $3,000 to Arles
Give $3,000 to Daddy Torgo

[claphamsa]

From earlier messages it appears the following people bid for sure: Mr W., Lathum, Alan T, claphamsa (who in post 158 suggests he bid 30k, by the way).




I dont know how to do the fancy multiquote..... but My statment was something along the lines of... Im gonna bid high, so I dont have any moeny. wolves dont kill me. If you have no money why would the wolves kill you? It was sefl preservation.... and no i did not bid. nothing worth biddign on.....

[hoopsguy]

My bizarre logic suggests that their failure to vote last night, and maximize their earnings, makes them less likely to be Cutthroats. If they are Cutthroats then they certainly are not in the good graces of their teammates who are trying to accumulate funds. They represent my semi-trusted list at this point in the game. It would take a compelling argument for me to vote for either of them today. Everyone else, self excluded, is on the table for discussion.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so we are about 5.5 hours from deadline and we have two votes in and not much chatter about voting.

I'll be looking to start talking about this once I make my way home this evening - probably will have 1-2 hours prior to the deadline to actively post once the kid is in bed for the night.

[claphamsa]

Yeah, that is one problem with not being able to unvote.....

[Tyrith]

Well, my issue is that the only person I have any bad feelings about right now is hoops, and I'm not really inclined to kill the guy that might actually stir something up. And my fallback position is always kill the quiet people...but bleh, that's not really attractive in a game like this because it gets us absolutely nowhere.

[path12]

Bah, we still got hours till we have to vote... Im to sick to go anywhere...

Im gonna bid high so! so I wont have no money left cutthroats, stay away.......

I dont know how to do the fancy multiquote..... but My statment was something along the lines of... Im gonna bid high, so I dont have any moeny. wolves dont kill me. If you have no money why would the wolves kill you? It was sefl preservation.... and no i did not bid. nothing worth biddign on.....

Just to help you out on the multi quote thing, this was your post I referenced. I grant it's quite possible you were bluffing in order to not be targeted by the cutthroats, but it's a discrepancy and that's what I'm looking for with not a lot of other information to go on.

So why did you decide not to bid yesterday? And are you planning on bidding today?

[path12]

Dola, I'm going to have to have my vote in by 7 Eastern as I'll be out tonight until after deadline.

[DaddyTorgo]

fyi i did vote last night. 8:46 or 8:47pm.

but i'll accept your gift. as i stated, my money is mostly in CD's. I kept a bit in the bank to spend.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm not going to say that I trust hoops, but he's done nothing at this point to make me question him. He's playing a bit of an active game, but I don't think that indicates anything sinister particularly given that his usual level of involvement makes him a bit of a target (and being Lathum's beneficiary makes him more interesting as a potential cash source).

[SnDvls]

I'm heading home and I have no reason to change my vote from yesterday
Vote Mauboy1

[RendeR]

I'm trying to figure out if the voting recrods are really going to tell us anything useful in this game overall. Since its more about the money than any activities on the cutthroats part I'm not sure they need to vote in any specific manner.

So I'll fall back to my default:

VOTE ST. CRONIN

[st.cronin]

Dang.

[RendeR]

Sorry man =) but you're still a wolf, even when yer not ;)

[Barkeep49]

Early vote count:
Hoops – Chief (276)
Chief Rum – Alan (374)
Mauboy – Sndvls (388)
Cronin – Render (389)

[claphamsa]

+ I did not bid yesterday, becasue I felt that with tghe info I had (none) I wouldnt be able to pick somone to scan (and the others werent that useful...)

Today I will bid... simply becasue I have some ideas (albeit weak).

Just to help you out on the multi quote thing, this was your post I referenced. I grant it's quite possible you were bluffing in order to not be targeted by the cutthroats, but it's a discrepancy and that's what I'm looking for with not a lot of other information to go on.

So why did you decide not to bid yesterday? And are you planning on bidding today?

[Passacaglia]

Well, this seems like the randomness of a Day 1 vote, with the pressure of a Later-than-Day-1 vote. I'm looking at SnDvls. It was his post that led us to think that DT hadn't voted, plus he's doubled up his vengeance vote on mau, which just pings my radar a little.

VOTE SNDVLS

[hoopsguy]

What bad form not to even put in an appearance. This is a crisis and Swaggs couldn't even be bothered to give a how do you do. Yes the strings that were pulled to make sure his largest customer switched business was well worth it. The man is destitute now. Bankrupt. Sure he wasn't a Cutthroat, but he didn't really seem like one of you either.

In other news you hear that the following services were won:
Private Investigator - $7500
Friend of the Bank - $7
Government Insider - $30000

You hear about this and feel for that poor bodyguard. He didn't get one cent richer today. That seems almost as tragic as the now certain death to come tonight.

Final Vote Count:
Lathum – hoops (110)
Swaggs – Alan (149), Lathum (155), Pass (156), Render (157), Mr. W (168), The Jackal (192), saldana (198), path (215), Schmidty (229), Tyrith (231)
Sndvls – mauboy(151)
Mau – Sndvls (190)
Hoops – Chief Rum (201)
Jackal – claphams (205)

Actually it was this post here that led me to believe that DT had not voted. 15 votes out of 18, no votes from Swaggs, Arles, and Torgo.

[mauchow]

Pass -

I was actually thinking the same thing. I nearly put my vote on sndvls earlier but I wanted to let the day progress a little further. For no other reason just to get my vote out there, I was going to vote sndvls. Sorry for the second vote though, devils.

Vote Sndvls

[Passacaglia]

Actually it was this post here that led me to believe that DT had not voted. 15 votes out of 18, no votes from Swaggs, Arles, and Torgo.

Now ya tells me! Well, for ME it was SnDvls. :p

[Passacaglia]

Pass -

I was actually thinking the same thing. I nearly put my vote on sndvls earlier but I wanted to let the day progress a little further. For no other reason just to get my vote out there, I was going to vote sndvls. Sorry for the second vote though, devils.

Vote Sndvls

oh, here we go again...

[SnDvls]

Well, this seems like the randomness of a Day 1 vote, with the pressure of a Later-than-Day-1 vote. I'm looking at SnDvls. It was his post that led us to think that DT hadn't voted, plus he's doubled up his vengeance vote on mau, which just pings my radar a little.

VOTE SNDVLS

Pass -

I was actually thinking the same thing. I nearly put my vote on sndvls earlier but I wanted to let the day progress a little further. For no other reason just to get my vote out there, I was going to vote sndvls. Sorry for the second vote though, devils.

Vote Sndvls


wow two quick votes on me both knowing I was heading out and both with illogical reasons too.

I guess I can let Pass slip up with his major oversite, today, but Mauboy this is two days in a row you put a vote for no reason. I really don't get it.:confused:

[saldana]

anyone else find it ironic that the guy that, as a player, is constantly expounding the value of information is running a game where no information is available?

[saldana]

i have never been a big fan of people that drop in quick second votes....i dont know anything about him either, so i am gonna go with my knee jerk reaction

vote mauboy1

[path12]

anyone else find it ironic that the guy that, as a player, is constantly expounding the value of information is running a game where no information is available?

We've missed you, sal.

[Schmidty]

We've missed you, sally

Fixed it for ya. :)

[Barkeep49]

anyone else find it ironic that the guy that, as a player, is constantly expounding the value of information is running a game where no information is available?
What do you mean?

[Schmidty]

By the way, I have no idea who to vote for, and I still haven't slept in almost 24 hours. I am going wiggy. If I pass out and don't wake up when the deadline alarm beeps (yes, I am that pathetic), I told my 6 year-old daughter to turn on her Hannah Montana CD really loud to wake me up.

[path12]

Well, Christ on a crutch. I want to vote clap, but that throws another one vote candidate into the mix. I don't particularly have anything for or against either mauboy or SnDvls, and I've gotta leave.

Screw it. I'm going with my gut.

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[Schmidty]

Wait, is there hidden friction between GM and player?

This could get good.....

[Tyrith]

I have to leave soon too. And I still hate this. We have absolutely nothing.

Right now I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. The only person I have anything like a negative feeling about is hoops, and honestly, he's too valuable for me to like killing him right now. But that leaves me in the position that path was in, except worse, because the timing of this vote is going to leave me on the lurch regardless.

I'm going to stall a few more minutes, but this is my vote speech.

[saldana]

Fixed it for ya. :)

Wait, is there hidden friction between GM and player?

This could get good.....

you are lucky it would cost me 10 grand to vote for you at this point.

[Schmidty]

you are lucky it would cost me 10 grand to vote for you at this point.

Dude, for that I would totally become a wolf. I LOVE that candybar!!!!

[Tyrith]

Meh. Mauboy is the quiet one, probably, and his vote wasn't the greatest in terms of circumstances. Sorry.

VOTE MAUBOY1

[DaddyTorgo]

man...i hate not having any thoughts. The earlier days of games are irritating.

[Barkeep49]

Updated vote count:

Hoops – Chief (276)
Chief Rum – Alan (374)
Mauboy – Sndvls (388). Saldana (401)
Sndvls – Pass (394), mauboy (396), tyrith(411)
Clap – path(406)

[Schmidty]

Well, I'm getting tired.

Since he tried to bribe me with candy (I think):

Vote saldana

[claphamsa]

hmmm. mau vs sundevils...

[Passacaglia]

Updated vote count:

Hoops – Chief (276)
Chief Rum – Alan (374)
Mauboy – Sndvls (388). Saldana (401)
Sndvls – Pass (394), mauboy (396), tyrith(411)
Clap – path(406)


BK -- Tyrith's vote should be on mauboy.

[The Jackal]

I'm going to vote claphamsa

I don't have much reason other than he voted for me yesterday, and a little extra money can help us out.

[claphamsa]

I'm going to vote claphamsa

I don't have much reason other than he voted for me yesterday, and a little extra money can help us out.

JERK!

[claphamsa]

vote maugirl

Well since im getting votes.... nothing pesonal.....

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I'm not wild about any of the voting arguments I've heard so far.

Here is one that has been rumaging about in my head - why Lathum for the night kill? Was there anything that he gave away in his posts that would suggest that he obtained the seer? I went back and didn't see them.

Going to do some quick research - looking to see if the rules stated that the beneficiary would be declared publicly on night kills.

[Passacaglia]

Hmm, I'm not wild about any of the voting arguments I've heard so far.

Here is one that has been rumaging about in my head - why Lathum for the night kill? Was there anything that he gave away in his posts that would suggest that he obtained the seer? I went back and didn't see them.

Going to do some quick research - looking to see if the rules stated that the beneficiary would be declared publicly on night kills.

Are you asking if there's anything in his posts that would suggest if he was going to bid on the seer? I don't see why he would suggest that he obtained the seer at night, once he got it.

[hoopsguy]

On hand – Eligible to be used freely, however, any money on hand is given to Cutthroat upon death.

Second, players must also name a beneficiary. When a player dies all their money (except what the Cutthroats take) goes to the beneficiary. Players may change their beneficiary at any time for the cost of $10,000.

A beneficiary is revealed only upon death or by using the Lawyer service.

The third quote is an answer to a question, appearing in Post #78. The first two quotes are in the rules.

If you asked me before the game to try and guess who people would name as their beneficiary, I would have guessed Lathum names Saldana. I'm wondering if the wolf team - with Saldana among their membership - would have thought along the same lines?

Is it thin? Yeah, probably. But no thinner than my thoughts on Passacaglia and Tyrith coming into today.

[Alan T]

Hmm, I'm not wild about any of the voting arguments I've heard so far.

Here is one that has been rumaging about in my head - why Lathum for the night kill? Was there anything that he gave away in his posts that would suggest that he obtained the seer? I went back and didn't see them.

Going to do some quick research - looking to see if the rules stated that the beneficiary would be declared publicly on night kills.

This is what BK responded I think to one of my questions on day 1 about this.




A beneficiary is revealed only upon death or by using the Lawyer service.

[hoopsguy]

Are you asking if there's anything in his posts that would suggest if he was going to bid on the seer? I don't see why he would suggest that he obtained the seer at night, once he got it.

The question is "why Lathum" for the Night 1 kill?
- did they see something suggesting he won the seer?
- did they see him as a threat going into Day 2?
- did they think that killing him would set up a chain reaction that was beneficial to them?
- did they think that they would profit directly from his death, via beneficiary?

I don't know the answer to this, but I'm leaning towards voting Saldana right now working on the "presumed beneficiary/get money" strategy.

[Alan T]

Rats, I guess this time, I'm stealing your post :(

[claphamsa]

gotta love simultainous posts.....

[hoopsguy]

Rats, I guess this time, I'm stealing your post :(

"Sometimes I wonder if anyone is actually reading what I post ..." :cool:

[hoopsguy]

VOTE SALDANA

[Alan T]

There are what? 5 votes outstanding, so unless someone blows money to vote another time (Something I don't see happening without some form of reveal happening in the next hour), all of the votes you have to work with Hoops is 4 others if you are going to try to steer things a different direction. Just something to consider, that in most games adding in additional candidates closer to the deadline can be problematic, in this game it can be difficult to get traction.

[Barkeep49]

Current tally:
Hoops – Chief (276)
Chief Rum – Alan (374)
Mauboy – Sndvls (388). Saldana (401), tyrith(411), clap (419)
Sndvls – Pass (394), mauboy (396),
Clap – path(406), The Jackal (417)
Saldana – Schmidty (414), hoopsguy (428)

[Passacaglia]

The question is "why Lathum" for the Night 1 kill?
- did they see something suggesting he won the seer?
- did they see him as a threat going into Day 2?
- did they think that killing him would set up a chain reaction that was beneficial to them?
- did they think that they would profit directly from his death, via beneficiary?

I don't know the answer to this, but I'm leaning towards voting Saldana right now working on the "presumed beneficiary/get money" strategy.

I don't see how your first two bullet points could be true. For the third, the only chain reaction I can see is something to do with me and Tyrith, but I can see Lathum's death being used as an argument for or against both of us. The last one is interesting, but you're probably in a better position than all of us to evaluate it.

[Alan T]

I think this is the current vote count:
Hoops – Chief (276)
Chief Rum – Alan (374)
Mauboy – Sndvls (388). Saldana (401), tyrith(411), Claphasma (419)
Sndvls – Pass (394), mauboy (396)
Clap – path(406), Jackal (417)
Saldana - Hoopsguy (428)


No votes yet: Render (voted for Cronin but I don't think Cronin is playing), Arles, Mr.Wednesday, DaddyTorgo


Not sure if Render was just playing earlier or seriously thinks Cronin was playing and isn't going to be back..

[Alan T]

oh woops, missed Schmidty's vote. That changes things then.. It makes Saldana a viable candidate. I was getting a bit curious where Hoops was going, if it was a statement vote more than anything else. My bad, just missed his vote there.

[Passacaglia]

There are what? 5 votes outstanding, so unless someone blows money to vote another time (Something I don't see happening without some form of reveal happening in the next hour), all of the votes you have to work with Hoops is 4 others if you are going to try to steer things a different direction. Just something to consider, that in most games adding in additional candidates closer to the deadline can be problematic, in this game it can be difficult to get traction.

But remember, if hoops feels strongly enough about something, he can make it more of a race by voting more times, and in the process making himself a less appealing conversion target. I don't know if either of those are particularly good plays (at least today - but it might be an avenue worth exploring at some point).

[hoopsguy]

I believe there are now four votes outstanding. But I wasn't going to vote for Mauboy (didn't understand the logic on him at all). From there, I guess I could have jumped on SnDvls or Clap instead of Saldana (or Rum) but I had an argument constructed in my head.

If nothing else, I'm OK leaving food for thought for someone purchasing the seer.

[hoopsguy]

I dont' think that I'm going to double-vote today - I'm not that sold on the argument relative to any other players at this stage.

If it ends up tied at the deadline maybe I would try to be an Internet Hero, but even then probably not ...

[Alan T]

I am going to feel a bit uneasy about anyone who double votes today without a solid reason.

[saldana]

The third quote is an answer to a question, appearing in Post #78. The first two quotes are in the rules.

If you asked me before the game to try and guess who people would name as their beneficiary, I would have guessed Lathum names Saldana. I'm wondering if the wolf team - with Saldana among their membership - would have thought along the same lines?

Is it thin? Yeah, probably. But no thinner than my thoughts on Passacaglia and Tyrith coming into today.

dont you think that might have been a bit obvious....i intentionally did NOT name lathum as mine just because of that reasoning in case he was a wolf.

the fact that lathum was the night kill is actually one of the reasons i voted for Mauboy1....he is relatively new, at least new enough that i never played with him, so he may not know the value of keeping the best wolf around in the game.

if i were a wolf, i would (and have) kept lathum around for ages...he gets more heat than that off topic thread with the prego chick with the giant cans (see Hell Atlantic's post)

[saldana]

dola, what i was saying in my second point above is:

i think we have a group of cutthroats that may be without a long time player.

[hoopsguy]

I strangely find myself returning to that thread now that you mention it.

[DaddyTorgo]

well I have a vote and I have no idea where to go with it...

[Alan T]

Prego chick with giant cans? I think I missed that one.

[hoopsguy]

The MILF thread.

[Alan T]

I don't think I know who that woman even is.

[saldana]

I don't think I know who that woman even is.

i didnt honestly care what her name was.

[claphamsa]

christina aguilera?

[Lathum]

Is that who that is?

[claphamsa]

yep, apparnetly she just had a kid....

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, is everyone else either scoping out Christina Aguilera or watching Duke/NC game? Not much in-game conversation going on at the moment.

Which I guess is OK, but we do have a vote in the balance with 40 minutes to deadline.

[Alan T]

Im actually in bed with my laptop.. feel a bit under the weather, so I'm watching "A moment of truth" with the wife.

[Passacaglia]

Hmm, is everyone else either scoping out Christina Aguilera or watching Duke/NC game? Not much in-game conversation going on at the moment.

Which I guess is OK, but we do have a vote in the balance with 40 minutes to deadline.

I'm sensing a lot of blase on this vote, and I can't help but be a part of that. It doesn't seem worth the extra 10K to really affect the vote. And since we can't unvote, most of us are feeling done for the day, I'm guessing.

[claphamsa]

im on my couch watching hockey. Basketball sucks ass.

[mauchow]

Reaaalllyyy....

Considering I KNOW I'm not a wolf, I'm going to be double, triple, quadruple voting tonight. I've got 46k right now.

[Alan T]

Hoops, for discussion sake, you passed on money earlier for two people who appear right now on pace to miss yet another vote. Are you second guessing that move now?

[mauchow]

I will especially do this because I don't know if my beneficiary is a wolf or not, I don't want to help them out if he's a wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Hoops, if you're bored, you can dig into your BB-BBCF team, which is currently sitting at #3 in the nation now, despite a humiliating loss in its season opener.

[claphamsa]

Reaaalllyyy....

Considering I KNOW I'm not a wolf, I'm going to be double, triple, quadruple voting tonight. I've got 46k right now.
this is where it gets interesting.... who do you pick?

[Lathum]

Im actually in bed with my laptop.. feel a bit under the weather, so I'm watching "A moment of truth" with the wife.

We are watching the same thing.

But since I'm dead I really have nothing to add.

[RendeR]

BK you keep leaving off my vote for Cronin.


Just sayin

[Alan T]

We are watching the same thing.

But since I'm dead I really have nothing to add.

My wife and I have been commenting all of the ugly features of the two sisters. We've decided her sister must be an ugly pagent model, she looks like she has rolls of fat and a moustache...

[claphamsa]

is cronin even playing?

[Alan T]

BK you keep leaving off my vote for Cronin.


Just sayin


Cronin isn't in the game.

[mauchow]

this is where it gets interesting.... who do you pick?

I've not no basis for anything..

[Passacaglia]

Even when cronin's not playing, he's a wolf.

[claphamsa]

might i suggest, someone not around? then they cant fight back....

[RendeR]

DOH!

[RendeR]

So i haven't actually voted yet eh?

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, for discussion sake, you passed on money earlier for two people who appear right now on pace to miss yet another vote. Are you second guessing that move now?

Not a ton - I think it is almost a certainty that those guys are not Cutthroats if they are missing back to back votes. The wolves, as the minority (pretty safe assumption, right?), can't give up 15K per day. I don't think any of the Rich should do that either, but I don't get to send PMs to fellow Rich players either :)

They also would seem to be less attractive bribe options because they aren't accumulating money.

If this was a conventional game I would definitely be more frustrated by their lack of participation. On general principles, I'm frustrated by lack of participation. But I don't think that moving 6K to them is going to be even a medium-term problem.

[Lathum]

My wife and I have been commenting all of the ugly features of the two sisters. We've decided her sister must be an ugly pagent model, she looks like she has rolls of fat and a moustache...

totaly agree. She has man shoulders.

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, if you're bored, you can dig into your BB-BBCF team, which is currently sitting at #3 in the nation now, despite a humiliating loss in its season opener.

I saw that - at this point I'm almost worried about messing up their flow :p

[DaddyTorgo]

I DIDN'T MISS THE FIRST VOTE AND I'M NOT MISSING THIS ONE!!!!!

[Alan T]

Not a ton - I think it is almost a certainty that those guys are not Cutthroats if they are missing back to back votes. The wolves, as the minority (pretty safe assumption, right?), can't give up 15K per day. I don't think any of the Rich should do that either, but I don't get to send PMs to fellow Rich players either :)

They also would seem to be less attractive bribe options because they aren't accumulating money.

If this was a conventional game I would definitely be more frustrated by their lack of participation. On general principles, I'm frustrated by lack of participation. But I don't think that moving 6K to them is going to be even a medium-term problem.

I agree that the amounts sent are just small. However its less money available to spend on services or such if it ends up with someone who is just inactive. In normal games, I would be pushing to vote them off, but in this game to do so would likely mean removing money from our team, so it is a tough situation. Just not sure "rewarding" them with free money is a good answer either.

[DaddyTorgo]

i've been on the phone the last hour-plus with the lady, since climbing out of the shower from my workout.

I'm going to spell it wrong, but his vote earlier seemed suspicious. I think it was AC or somebody who noticed it first? tough to read and comprehend with a phone to your ear, but he put in a driveby vote basically.

and I have nothing more to go on.

VOTE MAUBOY1

[Barkeep49]

So i haven't actually voted yet eh?
Correct. I put it in the first tally as a joke, thinking with your comment you were in on it. Whoops.

[mauchow]

Personally, I'd look at the person who first said, "Mau's vote had no basis so I'll vote for him." Why? Because I had no basis for my vote except for random. So I vote for someone who voted for me and now all of a sudden I'm a target. I can understand that someone is going to go home and it happens to be me.

But MY guess is that sndvls and I are both innocents rich bastards. :)

If you guys think about it, why would the wolves get any money to start? They're trying to get our money because they have none. Which is why it takes four days before we actually get the option to end the game.

Wolves getting $100,000 to start doesn't make any sense either.

That's my thought on that... fwiw

[Mr. Wednesday]

SnDvls hasn't voted yet, has he?

[Alan T]

i've been on the phone the last hour-plus with the lady, since climbing out of the shower from my workout.

I'm going to spell it wrong, but his vote earlier seemed suspicious. I think it was AC or somebody who noticed it first? tough to read and comprehend with a phone to your ear, but he put in a driveby vote basically.

and I have nothing more to go on.

VOTE MAUBOY1


Who is AC?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've got no read on anything here.

[mauchow]

i've been on the phone the last hour-plus with the lady, since climbing out of the shower from my workout.

I'm going to spell it wrong, but his vote earlier seemed suspicious. I think it was AC or somebody who noticed it first? tough to read and comprehend with a phone to your ear, but he put in a driveby vote basically.

and I have nothing more to go on.

VOTE MAUBOY1

Works out well for you considering you're my beneficiary and you're getting none of it.

[saldana]

Reaaalllyyy....

Considering I KNOW I'm not a wolf, I'm going to be double, triple, quadruple voting tonight. I've got 46k right now.

really...how....thats not actually a mathmatically possible number, unless someone has given you money at some point in the game

you started with 30. you got 15 for voting yesterday.

wanna explain how you have 46

[Alan T]

Personally, I'd look at the person who first said, "Mau's vote had no basis so I'll vote for him." Why? Because I had no basis for my vote except for random. So I vote for someone who voted for me and now all of a sudden I'm a target. I can understand that someone is going to go home and it happens to be me.

But MY guess is that sndvls and I are both innocents rich bastards. :)

If you guys think about it, why would the wolves get any money to start? They're trying to get our money because they have none. Which is why it takes four days before we actually get the option to end the game.

Wolves getting $100,000 to start doesn't make any sense either.

That's my thought on that... fwiw

THat does not make any sense mathematically to me at all whatsoever.

If Hoops is a wolf, then i can't take what he said at face value. But if he is good, then based on what he says about what he got from Lathum, there isn't any realistic way the wolves even would have a chance to win by day 4, 8 or even 10 unless we just totally blew up and made a horrible mistake.

[mauchow]

I invested in a 1 day CD, wow, that was hard to figure out.

[mauchow]

Sorry, after viewing PM, its actually $46,500. My bad.

[saldana]

I invested in a 1 day CD, wow, that was hard to figure out.

except that only pays back at 10500, so you still only have 45,500...

[claphamsa]

we need the popcorn smiley.... this is gonna be exciting!

[saldana]

Sorry, after viewing PM, its actually $46,500. My bad.

see my previous post...the most you could possibly have on hand is 45,500

[mauchow]

cuz he's annoying me right now...
vote saldana

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry, I said AC and meant SnDvls. Told you, my attention hasn't been here hardly at all.

tough game with very little to go on info-wise (so far), no chance of votes/unvotes and still in the beginning stages.

[saldana]

its a 5% interest rate...if you put in 10k, you only get 10,500 back

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm not wild about the Chief's drive-by vote on hoops.

VOTE Chief Rum

[hoopsguy]

Quick question - and I'm possibly being very dense here - does money change hands on the lynch? I thought the lynch was "bankrupting" the person, which would relieve them of their money. Do they still pass money on via beneficiary, or is that only night kills that pass money on through these means?

If it is only night kills that pass money to beneficiary (what I have assumed) then I think it is just about impossible for the wolves to start with less money than the rest of us and have a shot at winning without having big-time numbers to start.

[mauchow]

Don't ask me, ask Chief Rum, my pm says 46,500. DaddyT is going to get $6,500 from me.

[Alan T]

Quick question - and I'm possibly being very dense here - does money change hands on the lynch? I thought the lynch was "bankrupting" the person, which would relieve them of their money. Do they still pass money on via beneficiary, or is that only night kills that pass money on through these means?

If it is only night kills that pass money to beneficiary (what I have assumed) then I think it is just about impossible for the wolves to start with less money than the rest of us and have a shot at winning without having big-time numbers to start.

Someone asked that about Swaggs yesterday and Barkeep said that bankrupting them removes all of their money from the game.

[DaddyTorgo]

I need to put in my actions to redistribute my $$ now. I'm still wandering around with my cash I gained from voting.

[Alan T]

Don't ask me, ask Chief Rum, my pm says 46,500. DaddyT is going to get $6,500 from me.


I don't understand what Chief Rum has to do with any of this..:confused:

[Barkeep49]

Someone asked that about Swaggs yesterday and Barkeep said that bankrupting them removes all of their money from the game.
This is correct

[Mr. Wednesday]

Quick question - and I'm possibly being very dense here - does money change hands on the lynch? I thought the lynch was "bankrupting" the person, which would relieve them of their money. Do they still pass money on via beneficiary, or is that only night kills that pass money on through these means?
What happened with Swaggs's money?

[mauchow]

Good question.. I dunno, hoops.

vote saldana

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I'm not sure the Swaggs example applies as he never named a beneficiary on Night 0.

[saldana]

Don't ask me, ask Chief Rum, my pm says 46,500. DaddyT is going to get $6,500 from me.

how is that going to happen