2008 NFL Draft Thread-Jake Long Goes #1

[DeToxRox]

Good pick. Merling is a gamer.

[Chief Rum]

Glad to see a fellow chief get drafted.

Well, I'm fielding calls, but most of the teams say I won't go until tomorrow. What are you hearing?

[Eaglesfan27]

Good value pick for Miami, and it makes sense for Parcells.

[Pyser]

maybe the jets were convinced the giants were trading shockey and would go te? i dont get that trade up at all

giants needed a safety, and got one. i guess kiwanuka stays at lb. not terrible.

[Swaggs]

Man... Brohm...

Can't believe he is still out there. He will be the posterboy for NOT returning for you senior season. He was a top 5 last year.

[DeToxRox]

Ugh. I want Groves to fall to Detroit. He is going to be awesome. I doubt it but I can dream.

[Chief Rum]

Thank God the Dolphins didn't waste another high pick on a QB. They're not going to win this year anyway. Give Beck more time and see how he does. Draft a potential guy down the line, like a Dennis Dixon. Re-visit this next year. That's the way to go. And spend high draft talent on positions that aren't almost always automatic reaches in the first two rounds outside of the Top Five (and sometimes there, too).

[DeToxRox]

Donnie Avery is the first WR taken!?

[TazFTW]

Donnie Avery the first WR?!?!?

[Rizon]

Thank God the Dolphins didn't waste another high pick on a QB. They're not going to win this year anyway. Give Beck more time and see how he does. Draft a potential guy down the line, like a Dennis Dixon. Re-visit this next year. That's the way to go. And spend high draft talent on positions that aren't almost always automatic reaches in the first two rounds outside of the Top Five (and sometimes there, too).

+1

[Arles]

Packers moved #30 for #36 and #113 (mid 4th). Not bad value (esp when you consider the money saved).

[Lathum]

Did Mortenson just make a fried chicken and biscuts joke to Keyshawn?

[DeToxRox]

In regards to Detroit .. my top guys left I am interested in

Jamal Charles
Quentin Groves
Calias Campbell
Dan Connor
Curtis Lofton

[JetsIn06]

Donnie Avery? WTF?

[Pyser]

Packers moved #30 for #36 and #113 (mid 4th). Not bad value (esp when you consider the money saved).

money saved? $500k total, maybe a million over the life of the deal?

[stevew]

what the hell? this is not the best WR avaialble

[Noop]

Well, I'm fielding calls, but most of the teams say I won't go until tomorrow. What are you hearing?

LOL. He went to the same highschool as Glenn... team mascot was the Chiefs.

[Swaggs]

At what point, if any, does Detroit look at QB?

[stevew]

money saved? $500k total, maybe a million over the life of the deal?

plus they get to renegotiate a year earlier if this guy is any good.

[Chief Rum]

Avery? Did I miss something? I don't see him drafted anywhere. Is online slow to update? I have ESPN on, but I'm not really paying attention to it (and it's commercials right now).

[st.cronin]

Did the Rams realize that DeSean Jackson wasn't drafted in the first round?

[Lathum]

Connor would have been a good pick, but I like Phillips here, too. Very solid player to get at the end of the first round.

I love the pick. We have a nice young secondary to go with a monster pass rush, if we can get some LB depth in the next few rounds I would be thriilled.

What I would really love is to see Shockey traded for some picks so we can do that.

[DeToxRox]

At what point, if any, does Detroit look at QB?

If Henne falls to them I bet he goes. Scott Loefler, UM's old QB coach and the guy who recruited Henne is now QB Coach in Detroit, and they've been rumored to want to deal up to get him.

[Arles]

Wow, great move by the Skins to move down the 2nd and get the WR they probably wanted in round 2.

[stevew]

At what point, if any, does Detroit look at QB?

2nd round, last year

[Honolulu_Blue]

Just checking in.

Gosder? Gosder Cherlius?

WTF?

[DeToxRox]

Just checking in.

Gosder? Gosder Cherlius?

WTF?

He'll be an RT. He run blocks well. I was upset at first but considering what happened with OT's after I am not as upset.

PS .. FRANZENSTEIN!!

[Chief Rum]

LOL. He went to the same highschool as Glenn... team mascot was the Chiefs.

Heh, heh...cool. I like that connection, makes me care more about particular players knowing they were close in on someone with the FOFC family. :)

[DeToxRox]

KC has had the best draft. Dorsey, Albert and Flowers.

[Eaglesfan27]

Donnie Avery is the first WR taken!?

WTF!?! I go to make a sandwich and I see this when I come back. I didn't even think he was in the top 10 of WR's.

[Arles]

Chiefs take CB Flowers. Good value there as well.

[TazFTW]

Ah, Thomas is a Rosenhaus guy...

[stevew]

The chiefs will be the sexiest 6-10 squad next year.

[DeToxRox]

Wow. Packers go WR? Useless pick.

[stevew]

Jordy Nelson-LOL

[Arles]

WR Jordy Nelson to GB. Not sure what to think of it, but GB has 3 third round picks and they need a speed WR for the slot.

[DeToxRox]

Jordy Nelson-LOL

Matt Millen is smiling somewhere... Or breaking TV's GB took his pick.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, Jackson to the Rams was spot on. Exactly the sorta guy they stick into the slot. I see Avery has speed to burn. Looking at him more closely, I don't see he is much off of what Jackson brings you. Still, to pass up a BCS guy (much less a Sweed or Thomas) for Avery is a shock.

[Arles]

Everyone thought Greg Jennings was a wasted pick too. Ted's built a division champ team with the last 3 drafts.

[stevew]

I would vote for teams to continue to make reaches....will push another good player to the steelers.

[DeToxRox]

So what bad pick does Atlanta make now?

[st.cronin]

It really is like the teams drafting WRs don't realize that all the top WRs are still on the board.

[Chief Rum]

Matt Millen is smiling somewhere... Or breaking TV's GB took his pick.

My guess is the latter.

[Swaggs]

WR Jordy Nelson to GB. Not sure what to think of it, but GB has 3 third round picks and they need a speed WR for the slot.

Unfortunately, it looks like they got a posession receiver/gunner.

[Honolulu_Blue]

He'll be an RT. He run blocks well. I was upset at first but considering what happened with OT's after I am not as upset.

PS .. FRANZENSTEIN!!

Tour de chapeau!

I really like that Cody McCleod guy. Smart player.

[DeToxRox]

Everyone thought Greg Jennings was a wasted pick too. Ted's built a division champ team with the last 3 drafts.

I loved Jennings. The problem is GB could do a lot more for their team by getting some more help on D. Dexter Jackson or Renauld from WVU are better options for slot WR's you can get in the 5th or 6th.

[DeToxRox]

Tour de chapeau!

I really like that Cody McCleod guy. Smart player.

He has a good spirit.

[DeToxRox]

Lofton, now Atlanta decides to make a good pick. MF'ers.

[Chief Rum]

Long as Detroit fans are around, I have to know.

My view from not being as familiar with them, but generally familiar with the league, is that they would want to improve a defense that was dead last in the NFL. Then I realize they released Kevin Jones (how on Earth did I miss that?!?), so it made sad sense for them to get Mendenhall (defense is awful, but you have just about no one at RB). And then they draft an OL? And you guys are all cool with that?

So that's why I am figuring I must be out of touch with Detroit. Is their line really that phenomenally bad, that they would pass up several good RBs and a slew of strong defensive choices to make a line pick?

[Arles]

I stand corrected, GB got a possession guy for the slot to play off the speed of Jennings. ;) We'll see how the draft plays out but a 6-3, 220 guy with great hands seems like a nice addition for GB - esp when you throw in 2 Punt returns for TDs last season. Here's Scouts.incs writeup:
"While he lacks elite speed and athleticism, Nelson is quicker than people seem to think and he simply knows how to separate and make plays... it wouldn't shock us if Nelson spends 10-plus productive seasons in the NFL as a possession No. 2 or No. 3 receiver."

[DeToxRox]

Long as Detroit fans are around, I have to know.

My view from not being as familiar with them, but generally familiar with the league, is that they would want to improve a defense that was dead last in the NFL. Then I realize they released Kevin Jones (how on Earth did I miss that?!?), so it made sad sense for them to get Mendenhall (defense is awful, but you have just about no one at RB). And then they draft an OL? And you guys are all cool with that?

So that's why I am figuring I must be out of touch with Detroit. Is their line really that phenomenally bad, that they would pass up several good RBs and a slew of strong defensive choices to make a line pick?

Their OL is very bad. Since Millen has been GM we've drafted a total of 6 OL and none before the fourth round. I was hoping we go D but the guys that made sense (Mayo, Harvey) were gone.

It's been a problem that has been ignored forever.

[Chief Rum]

I stand corrected, GB got a possession guy for the slot to play off the speed of Jennings. ;) We'll see how the draft plays out but a 6-3, 220 guy with great hands seems like a nice addition for GB - esp when you throw in 2 Punt returns for TDs last season. Here's Scouts.incs writeup:
"While he lacks elite speed and athleticism, Nelson is quicker than people seem to think and he simply knows how to separate and make plays... it wouldn't shock us if Nelson spends 10-plus productive seasons in the NFL as a possession No. 2 or No. 3 receiver."

Would have been better with Sweed, IMO.

[DeToxRox]

I think Detroit is going to get Henne barring someone trading up in front of them.

[Chief Rum]

Their OL is very bad. Since Millen has been GM we've drafted a total of 6 OL and none before the fourth round. I was hoping we go D but the guys that made sense (Mayo, Harvey) were gone.

It's been a problem that has been ignored forever.

Gawd, why is he still the GM? I ask this question every year. Now that Isaiah is out of a job, Millen doesn't have competition for the "top" spot anymore.

[Cringer]

I like what I saw about the Jordy pick by Green Bay. There is room for another receiver, especially when someone gets banged up.

The Packers pick the highest guy on their board, so I would say that was Jordy. Just because Mel Kiper or some other dillweed has Jordy as the #9 WR left means nothing to me. Thompson built a good team, not those guys who have never been offered a GM job while Matt Millen gets one.

Damn, Monday is going to suck. I want training camp to start so I can hear how these kids are doing.

[DeToxRox]

Gawd, why is he still the GM? I ask this question every year. Now that Isaiah is out of a job, Millen doesn't have competition for the "top" spot anymore.

Until Ford Sr dies he will be GM. He loves Millen. He looks at him like a son. Meanwhile, his own son Bill Jr doesn't like Millen and while not coming out right and saying it, he's said in so many words that Millen won't be the GM whenever he inherits the team.

[Arles]

Would have been better with Sweed, IMO.
Bad route runner, poor 40 time and wrist injury. A little too risky for me. Nelson is the same size, had a better 40 time and is a much better route runner (and ST returner).

[DeToxRox]

Like the Rachal pick by the Niners.

[Cringer]

Too bad Jas_lov isn't here posting, it would crack me up seeing him freak out over a WR being taken by the Packers. If he would freak out over it that is, I am just guessing.

[Chief Rum]

Bad route runner, poor 40 time and wrist injury. A little too risky for me. Nelson is the same size, had a better 40 time and is a much better route runner (and ST returner).

Route running is a concern. The 40 time doesn't matter for a possession receiver, though, and I don't think in the long run a wrist injury is going to limit him unless he has nerve damage that is affecting his hands. He came in as probably the most polished WR in the draft or close to it. As for returning, if you're going for a 6'3, 220 guy for your returner, you need to re-evaluate your ST. ;)

But we'll see. Definitely can't argue that Thompson has made some strong picks. May have to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

[Arles]

One other thing about Jordy, his strengths are breaking the jam and running good routes. Given Rodgers is a timing passer, he seems like a better fit than a "jump ball" guy like Sweed who might not run great routes over the middle. Sweed reminds me of Bill Schroeder, and I remember about 3-4 picks a year from him breaking off routes or getting caught in jams.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Long as Detroit fans are around, I have to know.

My view from not being as familiar with them, but generally familiar with the league, is that they would want to improve a defense that was dead last in the NFL. Then I realize they released Kevin Jones (how on Earth did I miss that?!?), so it made sad sense for them to get Mendenhall (defense is awful, but you have just about no one at RB). And then they draft an OL? And you guys are all cool with that?

So that's why I am figuring I must be out of touch with Detroit. Is their line really that phenomenally bad, that they would pass up several good RBs and a slew of strong defensive choices to make a line pick?

Their OL is very bad. Since Millen has been GM we've drafted a total of 6 OL and none before the fourth round. I was hoping we go D but the guys that made sense (Mayo, Harvey) were gone.

It's been a problem that has been ignored forever.

Yeah. The Lions' offensive line has been pretty bad. They've given up more sacks than any team in the league over the last two years and have had the worst running game. A lot of blame has been laid on Martz for both (as well as every other problem with Lions apparently), but the line has been pretty bad, especially right tackle. They have had a problem there for years and even moved guard/center Damien Woody there for the last few games.

The Lions have a ton of needs. RB, DE, LB, and OL being the most pressing. Like DeTox said, they wanted Harvey (DE) and, if not him, Mayo (LB), but with both gone, I guess they decided to go OL, figuring that there is a lot of depth at RB in this draft.

The Lions will need to address RB at some point in the draft. Tatum Bell, Aveion Cason, and Brian Calhoun aren't going to cut it.

[Lathum]

God I hope the Giants dump Shockey here

[Lathum]

nope, looks like were stuck with him

[Pyser]

im fine with us keeping shockey. who do you want here? maybe connor? meh.

[st.cronin]

Espn is really struggling with the new format.

[Lathum]

im fine with us keeping shockey. who do you want here? maybe connor? meh.

how as a Giants fan can you possibly want Shockey?

Do you really think it was a coincidence that Eli started playing much better when Shockey went down?

[Cringer]

Two things I already like about Jordy Nelson from reading the begining of his biography.

1. The guy is plain and simple, an all-around stud athlete.
2. He clearly has no problem working his ass off and doing what is needed of him to get on the field.

From walk-on to strong safety to one of the premier receivers in the collegiate ranks, Nelson has come a long way since his days at Riley County High School. His banner senior campaign saw him shatter school and Big Twelve Conference reception records, catching at least ten passes six contests during the 2007 campaign.

For his stellar performances, Nelson became just the ninth player in school history to be named a consensus All-American in his final year, becoming the first KSU player to accomplish that feat since Terence Newman in 2002. He will leave Kansas State holding eleven different receiving records.

Nelson lettered three times as a quarterback and defensive back at Riley County High School. He was named first-team Class 3A All-State at quarterback by the Topeka Capital-Journal and was a second-team All-State selection for all divisions at both quarterback and defensive back. He was chosen Flint Hills Player of the Year by the Manhattan Mercury and was a two-time All-Mid-East League first-team pick. He also played in the 2003 Kansas Shrine Bowl.

As a senior, Nelson connected on 62 percent of his passes for 1,029 yards and eight touchdowns. He rushed for 1,572 yards (9.8 avg) and scored 25 times on the ground that year. In his junior campaign, he passed for 1,045 yards and rushed for 730 yards and 16 touchdowns.

Nelson also lettered and started in basketball and track. He averaged 17.2 points on 58-percent shooting as a senior and set school career records for blocks (161), steals (225) and assists (325). He was named first-team All-State and the Manhattan Mercury's Flint Hills Player of the Year. He won the Class 3A track titles in the 100, 200, 400 and long jump at the 2003 state meet, and set division records in the 100 meters (10.63) and 200 meters (21.64).

Despite his impressive prep career, Nelson walked on at KSU in 2003. He competed on the scout team at strong safety over the next two years, but never got on the playing field. With the KSU receiving unit depleted by graduation, Nelson asked to move to that unit in 2005. He was a second-team All-Big Twelve Conference choice that year, leading the team with 45 receptions for 669 yards (14.9 avg) and eight touchdowns, adding another score by recovering a blocked punt in the end zone for a score vs. Texas A&M. During the season, he became the first player in school history to catch at least one touchdown in his first seven games.

He started nine of thirteen games in 2006, leading the squad with 39 catches for 547 yards (14.0 avg), scoring one touchdown. He also got to see some time at quarterback, completing one of two passes for 28 yards.

The consensus All-American shattered school and Big Twelve Conference season-records in 2007, hauling in 122 passes for 1,606 yards (13.2 avg) and eleven touchdowns. He scored twice on five punt returns for 264 yards (52.8 avg) and registered a school record 140 points. He hit on 2-of-4 passes for 45 yards and a pair of touchdowns, finishing with 1,863 all-purpose yards, an average of 155.25 yards per game.

In 36 games at Kansas State, Nelson started 32 contests. He ranks second in school history with 206 receptions for 2,822 yards (13.7 avg) and is third all-time in KSU annals with 20 touchdown grabs. He returned six punts for 267 yards (44.5 avg) and three scores, as he also completed 3-of-6 passes for 73 yards and two touchdowns, adding seven tacklers (6 solos) on special teams. He finished with 3,080 all-purpose yards, an average off 85.56 yards per game.

[Arles]

Also, let's not forget that GB has 7 picks in rounds 2, 3 and 4. They are going to have plenty of shots at filling their nickel corner and backup OL.

[Pyser]

we can dump him, but not for nothing. who here makes our team better? theres no te to take right now, and we run a lot of 2 te sets

shockey may be aggressive, but he still keeps defenses accountable.

also, since we took a safety in rd 1, and the giants were supposedly holding out for the saints safety and the 2nd rd pick, there was nothing left to get from them

[DeToxRox]

Henne to the Lions. I'm saying it again. It's a waste of a 2nd. I love Henne but you cannot do this when you take Stanton last year and never let him play.

[DeToxRox]

Good pick for Buffalo. I like James Hardy a lot.

[DeToxRox]

I'm saying it again .. Connor, Groves or Charles, for the love of God.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Henne to the Lions. I'm saying it again. It's a waste of a 2nd. I love Henne but you cannot do this when you take Stanton last year and never let him play.

With all the needs on defense? And with having take Stanton in Round 2? I... I.... Well, I wouldn't be surprised at anything they do.

[Arles]

Sounds a lot like James Jones last year. Everyone said he was a reach, but he was a hard worker, big guy and ran great routes. Jones had a solid rookie year.

[stevew]

I really liked HArdy, i was hoping he'd slip to the Steelers.

[kcchief19]

Two things I already like about Jordy Nelson from reading the begining of his biography.

1. The guy is plain and simple, an all-around stud athlete.
2. He clearly has no problem working his ass off and doing what is needed of him to get on the field.
Jordy Nelson is a gamer. He worked his ass off to get where he is. Great hands, lot of speed. He's not just a product of a system -- if anything, he was handicapped by a bad QB and no other offensive help. No one will outwork Nelson. He's a tough little SOB.

I think Green Bay could have traded back a bit further and still got him, but if he's their guy why not take him there? He has more upside than a lot of other WRs in the draft who might never get better than they are right now.

[Arles]

Hardy = David Terrell

[stevew]

Let's not forget the Packers played in one of the worst divisions in football.

[JetsIn06]

Espn is really struggling with the new format.

I'm watching the NFLN coverage here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/live

It's so so so much better it's unreal.

[General Mike]

Henne to the Lions. I'm saying it again. It's a waste of a 2nd. I love Henne but you cannot do this when you take Stanton last year and never let him play.

I'm going with Ray Rice to Detroit.

[TazFTW]

deux, deux, deux

[st.cronin]

I'm not a fan of Hardy. He's not a top athlete, questions about his work ethic and character, and he wasn't even all that good in college. He's tall, that's about it.

[JetsIn06]

Limas Sweed has got to go soon.

[DeToxRox]

I'm going with Ray Rice to Detroit.

I'm happy with that pick, and Calias Campbell as well. Any of those five.

[Swaggs]

Let's not forget the Packers played in one of the worst divisions in football.

Agreed.

Thomspon has done a pretty good job, but when you look at what the other teams in their division are running out there at QB, it is hard to give them a ton of credit for winning it.

[DeToxRox]

Agreed.

Thomspon has done a pretty good job, but when you look at what the other teams in their division are running out there at QB, it is hard to give them a ton of credit for winning it.

Pssh. Kitna is the best QB in the NFC North, FTW!

[Eaglesfan27]

Limas Sweed has got to go soon.

Maybe to the Eagles.

[stevew]

Oh no, we got Grossman 2 times a year.

[stevew]

Oh, shit, Kitna.

[stevew]

Tarvariasss

[TazFTW]

Eagles trade again

[DeToxRox]

Henne to Minnesota, plz? Kthxbye.

[JetsIn06]

Oh man...Eagles make another trade..

[Eaglesfan27]

Another trade down. Interested to see what kind of value the Eagles got this time.

[Lathum]

lol, Philly trades down again

[Swaggs]

Pssh. Kitna is the best QB in the NFC North, FTW!

...and, by no small margin. :)

[Arles]

Agreed.

Thomspon has done a pretty good job, but when you look at what the other teams in their division are running out there at QB, it is hard to give them a ton of credit for winning it.
They did make it to the NFC championship game and have like $25 million of cap space and no FA losses this offseason (outside of cutting Bubba). You'd be hard pressed to find a team better setup for a 3-4 year run than GB is right now (talent, cap space, picks, pot FAs).

[DeToxRox]

Andy Reid is still trying to find another QB from Houston to take.

[DeToxRox]

Good pick. I like Johnson.

[JetsIn06]

hmm..bears go QB possibly?

[Jas_lov]

Too bad Jas_lov isn't here posting, it would crack me up seeing him freak out over a WR being taken by the Packers. If he would freak out over it that is, I am just guessing.

I'm not going to criticize the pick. I don't know too much about the guy and I trust Ted Thompson's judgement. When he took over, the team was 4-12. Last year they were 13-3 and a lot of his draft picks, signings, and trades were key contributors. Ryan Grant, Donald Lee, Greg Jennings, James Jones, A.J. Hawk, Charles Woodson, and the list goes on. People here praise and criticize picks based on what they read on the internet so what they say is pretty much irrelevant.

[Pyser]

didnt minn just sign a safety to a huge deal?

[stevew]

Andy Reid's kid just traded the Eagles 2nd rounder for a Kilo of crack cocaine.

[Swaggs]

I think Brian Brohm must be a coke addict or wifebeater or something.

[DeToxRox]

Andy Reid's kid just traded the Eagles 2nd rounder for a Kilo of crack cocaine.

That's one way to when back your child's love.

[MizzouRah]

Did the Rams realize that DeSean Jackson wasn't drafted in the first round?

No, they are a bunch of dumb shits over there. :mad:

Who the F is Donnie Avery anyway?

Oh yeah here is a quite from Linehan.


“This guy is electric,” Scott Linehan said. “He can really play.”


I guess we'll see. We still need a ton of defensive help....

[st.cronin]

If the Bears don't draft Brian Brohm, we'll never see a senior QB in college ever again. They'll all declare for the draft.

[JetsIn06]

Wow.

[MizzouRah]

It does look like Mr. Avery had one hell of a senior year though...

[DeToxRox]

Okay. Millen. You love dealing picks. This is the time to trade down again if you won't take Connor, Groves, Rice, Charles or Campbell.

[Jas_lov]

They did make it to the NFC championship game and have like $25 million of cap space and no FA losses this offseason (outside of cutting Bubba). You'd be hard pressed to find a team better setup for a 3-4 year run than GB is right now (talent, cap space, picks, pot FAs).

I agree. That argument about playing in the NFC North is stupid. It's like saying that the Patriots play in the AFC East with the pathetic Jets, Bills, and Dolphins so let's give the Patriots front office no credit for building an 16-0 AFC Champion team. Ted Thompson has built most of the current team into what it is.

[st.cronin]

Da Bears.

[stevew]

This is absurd for Brohm not to go yet. Do the FOF.....draft him now, trade him in 2 years for 3 #1s and 2 #2's. ;)

[Lathum]

Espn is really struggling with the new format.

my wife pointed out the same thing so you know it must be bad

[Swaggs]

They did make it to the NFC championship game and have like $25 million of cap space and no FA losses this offseason (outside of cutting Bubba). You'd be hard pressed to find a team better setup for a 3-4 year run than GB is right now (talent, cap space, picks, pot FAs).

I would disagree with the talent part. They have a pretty good defensive nucleus, but their offense is full of question marks.

I like the Pack, but they just lost one of the best all-time players. If they were my team, I'd be excited to see what the offense looks like w/o the player that has carried it for so long, but I think they are far from a playoff lock next season. And, if Rodgers doesn't turn out well, they could be a mess for a few years.

Fortunately for you guys, it doesn't look like the Bears or Bucs are interested in upgrading their QB situations, so the road is not too hard right now.

[st.cronin]

Looks like the Andy Reids might get Limas Sweed, which would be totally unfair.

[Cringer]

I'm not going to criticize the pick. I don't know too much about the guy and I trust Ted Thompson's judgement. When he took over, the team was 4-12. Last year they were 13-3 and a lot of his draft picks, signings, and trades were key contributors. Ryan Grant, Donald Lee, Greg Jennings, James Jones, A.J. Hawk, Charles Woodson, and the list goes on. People here praise and criticize picks based on what they read on the internet so what they say is pretty much irrelevant.

A somewhat unexpected (no offense) calm, level-headed answer.

What have you done with the real Jas_lov? :D

[Swaggs]

my wife pointed out the same thing so you know it must be bad

They are still managing to get about 4-minutes worth of commercials for ever 10-minutes of coverage.

[DeToxRox]

Well, I can't be mad about Dizon. I am shocked they didn't go Connor though.

[st.cronin]

This is absurd for Brohm not to go yet. Do the FOF.....draft him now, trade him in 2 years for 3 #1s and 2 #2's. ;)

Seriously. The one knock on him a year ago was that he couldn't stay healthy. So, his senior he actually stays healthy, and completely falls off the map.

[stevew]

I half expect someone like the Patriots, Colts, Steelers or Cowboys to take Brohm, and laugh all the way to the bank when someone wants to trade for him in a year or two.

[Cringer]

I would disagree with the talent part. They have a pretty good defensive nucleus, but their offense is full of question marks.

I like the Pack, but they just lost one of the best all-time players. If they were my team, I'd be excited to see what the offense looks like w/o the player that has carried it for so long, but I think they are far from a playoff lock next season. And, if Rodgers doesn't turn out well, they could be a mess for a few years.

Fortunately for you guys, it doesn't look like the Bears or Bucs are interested in upgrading their QB situations, so the road is not too hard right now.

Where are the question marks? The offensive line is not bad. Not great but young in the middle and they improved a good amount last year. No need to go out for a guy to lock in as a starter. The WRs are pretty solid IMO. A backup TE is needed, but no need to push a panic button on that. The running backs? I know the internets like to say the Packers need a RB, but I don't see it. Grant is the guy for now and I am happy with that. Jackson started out rough but got stornger at the end of the season and is a decent backup RB. There is also Morency who is a decent backup.

Back up QB is the biggest hole right now, and there is time to fill that. A rookie doesn't help in that roll at all really. Rodgers is the guy starting. With the good cast around him then he should be the best QB in the division by the end of the season.

[Arles]

I would disagree with the talent part. They have a pretty good defensive nucleus, but their offense is full of question marks.
Their line was solid last year (esp tackles and center), Grant did well, Donald Lee beat out Bubba and they are stocked at WR with Driver, Jennings and co. Rodgers is a question mark, but he has talent, has a solid OL and good WRs. If he's any good, we'll see it with this setup.

I like the Pack, but they just lost one of the best all-time players. If they were my team, I'd be excited to see what the offense looks like w/o the player that has carried it for so long, but I think they are far from a playoff lock next season. And, if Rodgers doesn't turn out well, they could be a mess for a few years.
Rodgers is key, but we will probably take another QB today and sign a vet backup. This team is setup to grind it out, win with defense, ST and a solid running game. Rodgers doesnt have to do a ton to win the division.

Fortunately for you guys, it doesn't look like the Bears or Bucs are interested in upgrading their QB situations, so the road is not too hard right now.
Throw in the Vikes and Lions as well ;)

[st.cronin]

I half expect someone like the Patriots, Colts, Steelers or Cowboys to take Brohm, and laugh all the way to the bank when someone wants to trade for him in a year or two.

The Colts do need a backup. Sorgi is not NFL-caliber.

[Noop]

I am hoping the Dolphins pick a QB to build around that is young. Brian Brohm please Parcells...

[st.cronin]

I have never heard of Jordon Dizon. Who is he? And why not: Quentin Groves, Dan Connor, Xavier Adibi.

[Thomkal]

holy crap didn't think WR Jerome Simpson would go in the Second Round. Myrtle Beach is gonna be buzzing tomorrow.

[Arles]

Think Philly trades down here? ;)

[st.cronin]

The gap between the smart teams and the dumb teams is really evident now.

[Lathum]

Keyshawn is such an ass

[Eaglesfan27]

YES! DeSean Jackson would be a welcome addition in Philadelphia.

Trevor Laws should be a solid player as well.

[Swaggs]

Where are the question marks? The offensive line is not bad. Not great but young in the middle and they improved a good amount last year. No need to go out for a guy to lock in as a starter. The WRs are pretty solid IMO. A backup TE is needed, but no need to push a panic button on that. The running backs? I know the internets like to say the Packers need a RB, but I don't see it. Grant is the guy for now and I am happy with that. Jackson started out rough but got stornger at the end of the season and is a decent backup RB. There is also Morency who is a decent backup.

Back up QB is the biggest hole right now, and there is time to fill that. A rookie doesn't help in that roll at all really. Rodgers is the guy starting. With the good cast around him then he should be the best QB in the division by the end of the season.

The production from the quarterback position is the huge question mark. The leadership void would be up there, as well.

I would say running back is a pretty big question mark. Grant looked real good for 3/4 of a season, but defenses will respect the running game a lot more without Favre around. Also, how will he hold up over a full season? Depth would be a big concern for me.

I would also worry about the receivers. Both starters played well with Favre last year, but how will they do with Rodgers? Also, Driver is 33-years old.

[stevew]

Jackson really fell quite a bit. The eagles could have easily have taken him a round earlier, and felt okay about it.

[st.cronin]

2 solid value picks for Philly there.

[Swaggs]

Their line was solid last year (esp tackles and center), Grant did well, Donald Lee beat out Bubba and they are stocked at WR with Driver, Jennings and co. Rodgers is a question mark, but he has talent, has a solid OL and good WRs. If he's any good, we'll see it with this setup.


Rodgers is key, but we will probably take another QB today and sign a vet backup. This team is setup to grind it out, win with defense, ST and a solid running game. Rodgers doesnt have to do a ton to win the division.


Throw in the Vikes and Lions as well ;)

My bad... I meant Vikes.

I think the Lions are, at least, stable at QB right now.

[Eaglesfan27]

Jackson really fell quite a bit. The eagles could have easily have taken him a round earlier, and felt okay about it.

Without a doubt. He'll be their immediate #3 receiver and #1 punt returner. I'm very happy with the draft, so far. :)

[kcchief19]

The gap between the smart teams and the dumb teams is really evident now.
Not sure about that because right now the Chiefs draft day looks great ... I can't fathom what disaster will strike Dorsey, Albert and Flowers because these look like good players, even if I don't think you can take a guy who played two games in college at tackle and plug him in there as a rookie starter in the NFL.

[Arles]

Jeez, Arizona took a 6-8, 300 pound pass rusher. He had 36" arms and 9.4 " hands. I don't know if he can play, but he's going to be an imposing son-bitch coming off the end.

[Thomkal]

*sigh* really thought the Cards would go with Ray Rice there

[st.cronin]

Why did the Redskins take Fred Davis?

[DeToxRox]

Honestly, Jordan Dizon was a good pick imo for the Lions. He's an overachiever in the vain of Zach Thomas. 176 tackles last year, he wraps up well. I am not upset.

[Swaggs]

Crap... :(

[INDalltheway]

I'm hoping the Colts can get Brohm.. Sorgi is pretty much terrible but has been around for a while now. I trust whatever route Bill Polian goes because he is one of the best.

[kcchief19]

Allow me to be a Missouri Tiger homer for two seconds and say these nimrods taking TEs when they could get Martin Rucker in the third round are going to feel stupid.

[stevew]

fucking skins

They seem to be getting smarter. I wish Kelly fell 2 more spots.

[Logan]

Guys, Brian Brohm is awful under pressure. Awful, awful, awful. He has happy feet but no mobility. I watched a ton of Louisville games over the past couple years, and the difference between when he has time versus when there's even a hint of pressure is probably the worst I've ever seen from a supposed "star" QB. He's dropped since last year because his sample size of being awful under pressure has increased. He won't be able to handle an NFL pass rush. I don't make many predictions, but I'm damn confident in this one.

[Noop]

Guys, Brian Brohm is awful under pressure. Awful, awful, awful. He has happy feet but no mobility. I watched a ton of Louisville games over the past couple years, and the difference between when he has time versus when there's even a hint of pressure is probably the worst I've ever seen from a supposed "star" QB. He's dropped since last year because his sample size of being awful under pressure has increased. He won't be able to handle an NFL pass rush. I don't make many predictions, but I'm damn confident in this one.

Rutgers bias ;)

[Swaggs]

Damn...

Steelers just got snaked for the top two on their board (Groves and Kelly).

[stevew]

fucking jaguars just scooped us.

[Logan]

Rutgers bias ;)

:) I'm a big fan of Louisville players in general (I still think LeFors should have gotten a shot somewhere), but that was the game that started him on his downfall, IMO. It hadn't gotten much better over the next season plus.

[Arles]

GB may go QB at 56.

[Arles]

Sweed to Pitt.

[stevew]

such a shame that we got a good tall WR.

[st.cronin]

I think Sweed is the best WR in the class.

[Swaggs]

I think Sweed is the best WR in the class.

I hope you are right.

Hard to believe we went for two skill guys on day 1, as we needed depth along both lines. Still, I think those were the best available on each pick, and big WR was a need.

Ben should be happy.

[rjolley]

I don't mind the Bears draft so far. I thought they'd go Otah instead of Williams, but both are rated about the same with Willimas being a better LT, so that's kool. Forte in the second is a bit of a stretch, but the times I saw Forte last year, he looked good. But, if they take a QB there, then grab Choice out of GT or Smith out of UCF, I would've been just as happy. And personally, I was hoping they'd wait until late and take Omon from NW Missouri State (yeah, homer pick there).

[rjolley]

Dola: The Pittsburgh offense looks really interesting now with Mendenhall and Sweed.

[Arles]

Baltimore going with Ray Rice - nice pick.

[Noop]

Oh my gawd. Like Oh Gawd. The Dolphins have a chance to draft a good QB.

[JetsIn06]

There goes Ray Rice. Good luck in Baltimore, I'll be rootin for ya!

[Lathum]

And Rice goes to the Ravens.

He should have stayed in school

[st.cronin]

Ray Rice to Baltimore, odd pick.

[Logan]

Another year in school for Rice and he would've come to the NFL with 1300 carries under his belt. Translation - 4th round.

[NoMyths]

Man, it's exciting to watch the Chiefs have such a great draft so far...we've had such miserable seasons of late that this is giving me a lot of hope for the future.

[INDalltheway]

So what were they arguing about after coming back from break?

[Arles]

Wow, interesting pick for GB - Brohm.

[TazFTW]

Aaron Rodgers is screwed.

[Lathum]

wow. Packers take Brohm

[Cringer]

Holy crap, Brian Brohm. That is funny to me for some reason.

[Noop]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sabotai]

Green Bay must like drama.

[JetsIn06]

Hmmm. I still can't believe Henne is still out there.

[14ers]

Brohm is a great pick for Green Bay. This guy will be able to compete for the job immediately.

[JetsIn06]

dola

Thinkin' Henne goes here to MIA.

[Eaglesfan27]

That should put some pressure on teams to trade up to make sure they get Henne if they want one of the top 4 QB's.

[stevew]

The Lions, Bears, and Vikes all should be ashamed of themselves. I hope Brohm torches them all for the next 10 years, and then the packers lose in the first round.

[Noop]

There are five grown men with four women right who are very angry in my apartment.

[st.cronin]

YESSSSSSSSSS! LOLPHINS TAKE HENNE!

[Swaggs]

Good value for GB and it kind of balances out the value for Nelson, in my opinion (ie: if they were taken in one another's spots, the value would seem about right).

Still, if you are going with Rodgers, get him some help instead of a backup/competition. If GB is in "win now" mode, this is an odd pick.

Not sure what to think on this one. In any case, Brohm is a very good player.

[INDalltheway]

Henne can't do any better than that? She must have a GREAT personality or something..

[sabotai]

Aaron Rodgers is screwed.

And now so is Beck.

[Cringer]

Damn, Miami took Chad Henne. I was hoping the Packers could get him as well with the 60th pick. :D

[JetsIn06]

Henne it is.

[Noop]

Beck is not a good player period.

[NoMyths]

Henne at this point is great value for the Dolphins.

[Arles]

Ted has said GB always goes BPA. All GB needs from this draft is backups, so if you can get a potential franchise guy and hedge your bets with Rodgers, you have to take it.

[Greyroofoo]

At least the Colts are about to draft

[Swaggs]

Thinking it over, Green Bay taking Brohm keeps him from going to the Vikes/Lions/Bears. Apparently, there are not a lot of top QBs expected to be in next year's draft, so, in addition to being a good insurance move, it was a great cockblock move. :)

[stevew]

Beck's already like 28, so he should be mature enough to handle the demotion.

[Swaggs]

I kind of hope the Packers get Steve Slaton in the 3rd or 4th.

If he realizes that he is a 185-lb back, instead of a 200-lb back, he could be a good compliment to Grant this year and have a chance to become a starter in coming seasons.

[Cringer]

Ted has said GB always goes BPA. All GB needs from this draft is backups, so if you can get a potential franchise guy and hedge your bets with Rodgers, you have to take it.

Ted, McCarthy, you, and I could tell that to people until they are dead and they would still have the reaction they are having now. "Rodgers is screwed. Packers must be worried about Rodgers to make this pick." blah blah blah. They will think what they want to think.....

[st.cronin]

Thinking it over, Green Bay taking Brohm keeps him from going to the Vikes/Lions/Bears. Apparently, there are not a lot of top QBs expected to be in next year's draft, so, in addition to being a good insurance move, it was a great cockblock move. :)

After Brohm, Quinn, and Leinart all fell as seniors, Stafford, McCoy and Tebow will almost certainly come out, possibly Dirty Sanchez if he has a good year, also the Missouri kid. I think it will be better than this years class.

[Arles]

Now it's time for DBs. I would love for GB to get CB/S Reggie Smith from Oklahoma. I think he'll be a nice fit as the nickel corner who can tackle.

[DeToxRox]

After Brohm, Quinn, and Leinart all fell as seniors, Stafford, McCoy and Tebow will almost certainly come out, possibly Dirty Sanchez if he has a good year, also the Missouri kid. I think it will be better than this years class.

Tebow has no shot of being an NFL QB.

[Logan]

For anyone watching the NFL Network...can you tell me WTF is up with this Alonzo Mourning/G2 commercial?

[Cringer]

Chad Henne has a fat face.

[14ers]

Another good thing about the Brohm pick is, it should close the door on all the Favre comming back crap. Now that the PAckers have a real backup QB Favre can be officially be put out to pasture. :)

[Logan]

Chad Henne has a fat chick.

Seriously.

[Cringer]

Now it's time for DBs. I would love for GB to get CB/S Reggie Smith from Oklahoma. I think he'll be a nice fit as the nickel corner who can tackle.

I would like a DB, but wouldn't be surprised to see it come up as OL or DL.

[st.cronin]

Tebow has no shot of being an NFL QB.

Well, even if that's true, I think its still a better class than this year's.

[Greyroofoo]

I am rather surprised by the Colts pick

[Arles]

Pollak is a nice pick for Indy. He was a stud at ASU.

[Swaggs]

After Brohm, Quinn, and Leinart all fell as seniors, Stafford, McCoy and Tebow will almost certainly come out, possibly Dirty Sanchez if he has a good year, also the Missouri kid. I think it will be better than this years class.

Chase Daniel is going to be too short to be well-rated by the NFL guys. He is listed as 6'0 now, which means he is probably 5'10.

I have a feeling that Tebow will be under a lot of scrutiny, since he is so high profile (think Quinn and Brohm--guys that have been under the public eye for a long time) and plays in a spread offense.

As long as they don't flop this season, Stafford and Sanchez will probably look pretty good to scouts.

[Arles]

Patrick Lee is a nice choice as well. Physical corner that plays press well.

[Cringer]

CB, very nice. 24 yrs old already eh? There must be a story there....

[Greyroofoo]

I can't remember the last time the Colts took an offensive lineman in the draft since Tarik Glenn in 1997

[Greyroofoo]

I hope Ugoh isn't injured or anything.

[DeToxRox]

A guy to watch is JR Dan LeFevour out of Central Michigan. 6'3", 225 lbs. 3600 yards and 27 TD through the air, 1100 yards and 19 TD on the ground last season. Kid is a stud.

[INDalltheway]

I can't remember the last time the Colts took an offensive lineman in the draft since Tarik Glenn in 1997
Tony Ugoh?

[Greyroofoo]

Tony Ugoh?

I'm sorry, I'm drunk and I didn't fully speak my mind.

[st.cronin]

Also next year we'll get:

Curtis Painter
Sam Bradford
Todd Boeckman
Chase Holbrook

I think next year there'll be a vastly better group of QBs than there are this year.

[JeeberD]

A TE, eh? Mmmmkay.

[Pyser]

might be only 1 pick away from connor dropping to the giants. thatd be nice

[TazFTW]

Martellus Bennett?

[JeeberD]

You know, I think UTEP recruited him for basketball back under Gillispie...

[Swaggs]

A TE, eh? Mmmmkay.

Odd that they deal Fasano and go TE in the second.

Parcells must have some blackmail material.

[RedKingGold]

If the Giants get Phillips and Connor, that's already a hell of a draft.

[Swaggs]

This draft actually felt short....

Two rounds in just under 6-hours, with a ton of draft pick trades.

Oddly, not too many veterans traded today.

[INDalltheway]

Also next year we'll get:

Curtis Painter
Sam Bradford
Todd Boeckman
Chase Holbrook

I think next year there'll be a vastly better group of QBs than there are this year.

:D Sorry, I've seen him throw it to the other team too many times to take that seriously. I know he has a NFL arm, but he needs a good senior year to get a real shot I think.

[Lathum]

If the Giants get Phillips and Connor, that's already a hell of a draft.

I would be thrilled. I know Conner has some injury concerns but he'd be a nice fit.

[JeeberD]

Odd that they deal Fasano and go TE in the second.

Parcells must have some blackmail material.

Tell me about it. I thought that Wade/Jerry must have been feeling very confident in Tony Curtis to give Fasano away, but after this I have no clue what's going on...

[TazFTW]

Compares To: KEVIN BOSS-New York Giants...Like Boss, Bennett is a rare-sized tight end whose basketball experience allows him to get to passes most shorter tight ends cannot. He is a more consistent blocker than Boss, but will lose balance and overextend when he can't sink his pads to anchor. He has the long reach to haul in the pass at its high point, but despite good timed speed, he is a marginal route runner who will take unneeded steps in his route progression. Still, based on the talent here, he is the most "complete" tight end in the 2008 draft class.

Ok, I guess that's good.

[Arles]

Nice first day for the Pack, plus the team has 4 picks in the first 2 rounds tomorrow. I expect some OL to be taken then.

[st.cronin]

:D Sorry, I've seen him throw it to the other team too many times to take that seriously. I know he has a NFL arm, but he needs a good senior year to get a real shot I think.

Painter, not Brees or Orton, holds the Purdue single season passing record. I think he's a first day pick.

[Lathum]

and we continue to get younger in the secondary

[Pyser]

wouldve liked a lb, but we certainly need secondary help. cant complain with a cb there for the giants

[NoMyths]

:D Sorry, I've seen him throw it to the other team too many times to take that seriously. I know he has a NFL arm, but he needs a good senior year to get a real shot I think.

Word -- I've watched Painter not come through in too many spots for the Boilermakers to believe he will be an effective NFL QB.

[JeeberD]

Chase Holbrook


*snicker*

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting pick by the Pats with the corner out of Colorado. According to cnnsi.com it seems like a big reach.

[General Mike]

Also next year we'll get:

Curtis Painter
Sam Bradford
Todd Boeckman
Chase Holbrook

I think next year there'll be a vastly better group of QBs than there are this year.

Mike Teel too. I'm serious.

[Cringer]

Wow, Thompson just said the Packers were actually trying to move up from the bottom of the second round and couldn't get anything worked out. He made a joke about trying to show he could move the other way in the draft when he said it.... :D

[st.cronin]

Mike Teel too. I'm serious.

Yeah, there's a lot of guys that if they have a good year could get the same kind of love Matt Ryan gets. Pat White, whatshisname in Alabama, Harrell, and there's probably two or three in the Pac 10 I don't know about.

[Izulde]

My gut reaction to the Dolphins first day drafting

OT Jake Long
We needed a franchise T, along with just about everything else and from all indications, he can be that guy. The safe, solid pick for #1 overall.

DE Phillip Merling
I wanted Brohm here, but Merling makes a hell of a lot of sense. 1st round type talent that fell to the 2nd and we need to get younger on the D-line. Another quality pick.

QB Chad Henne
When Brohm got taken by the Packers, the apartment I was in erupted into screams of fury and swearing from me (Dolphins fan) and the Packers fan. The Bengals and Lions fans in attendence broke out into riotous laughter. Honestly, I'd still have preferred Brohm, but I think Henne will become a pretty good NFL QB. Certainly better than Beck.

All in all, I'm -much- happier about this draft's first day than last year's, though honestly it's not like it could get much worse.

Still, I'm really happy with how the day went. We got a franchise T, a quality young DE and our QB of the future. :)

[rowech]

Bengals picks

Not that Rivers is bad but I don't understand not trading up to get Ellis -- especially only costing a #3 for a #5 to slide up a couple of spots to grab him.

I refuse to acknowledge that the second pick even happened. What a bunch of idiots.

[st.cronin]

I think the Steelers have won this draft, regardless of what happens day 2.

[JAG]

Tell me about it. I thought that Wade/Jerry must have been feeling very confident in Tony Curtis to give Fasano away, but after this I have no clue what's going on...

In looking up prospects, there was a pretty big dropoff for TE after Bennett was off the board and he gives Dallas another potential offensive weapon on offense while replacing Fasano. I'm at a loss to figure out where Dallas will go for their 3rd and 4th rd picks (DT / WR / LB ?), but I feel pretty good about how they did the first day.

[14ers]

I think the Steelers have won this draft, regardless of what happens day 2.
I liked what the Chiefs did.

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[Logan]

Big fan of the Chiefs draft as well.

[st.cronin]

I like Albert, the Chiefs get good marks too. But the Steelers got maybe the #2 RB and the #1 WR, and weren't drafting in high bonus spots.

[Mustang]

I had no problem with the Packers taking a QB in the first 2 rounds. I don't see it as them worrying about Rodgers, but rather than it really was a position of need. They have Rodgers and then.. nothing. (Ok, I'm not going to count Jerry Babb and whatever else they have on the roster right now)

You need 2 competent QBs on the roster. While I'm not sure if Brohm is going to be that guy it seems like a decent fit given his experience.

I'll give Thompson a pass on Nelson right now. I was scratching my head on Jennings and Jones the last few years so.. I have a hunch Nelson might get a few pounds added to his body and be used similar to David Martin was.

[cthomer5000]

And Rice goes to the Ravens.

He should have stayed in school

Definitely should have stayed. He got some bad advice.

BTW, about a dozen picks earler I said "I hope he goes anywhere but Balitmore." They're probably my most hated team in the league.

[Swaggs]

I think Rice made the right call if he felt like he was ready.

He wasn't going to get any bigger or faster, and those were the only reasons he was not going any higher this year. Another year in college would have been nice for his fans, but all it would have done for him was put another 300 carries of mileage on him and risk injury.

[Lathum]

I think Rice made the right call if he felt like he was ready.

He wasn't going to get any bigger or faster, and those were the only reasons he was not going any higher this year. Another year in college would have been nice for his fans, but all it would have done for him was put another 300 carries of mileage on him and risk injury.

Your probably right, but my Dad went to RU and I grew up watching them and being a fan. It was nice to see them doing so well after enduring so many brutal years. With Rice leaving I have a feeling they take a step back. Plus as soon as the Penn State job opens up Schiano is gone, then it's back to the basement.

[kcchief19]

I don't think you can argue about the Chiefs draft day. Flowers was in a lot of first round mock drafts, so you could certainly argue the Chiefs got three first round-quality players today. Dorsey falling down to No. 5 was very fortunate -- time for Tamba Hali to break out now that he has help inside. In the long run, the question will be if Dorsey was worth letting go of Jared Allen. Hopefully it will be a wash.

I like what I see of Albert and I think he fits in with the Chiefs affinity for strong, mobile linemen. I still don't know if he can pass block from the tackle spot, and I don't think the Chiefs know either. I know his stock rose big time throughout the offseason, but if Albert ends up being a guard -- even a very good guard -- that's a blowing of a first round pick. I lodge my concern with the right to say I'm wrong later. :)

Flowers was a nice value pick. Definitely need help at corner, and Flowers looks to be a good cover 2 guy. I can't say there is anyone taken after Flowers I would rather have had them take. You could make an argument for a receiver like Kelly, Jackson or Sweed, but frankly I would rather have Flowers and Manningham than one of those receivers and any of the corners left.

The Chiefs will be big players Sunday as well -- nine picks tomorrow, including three of the first 19 picks. Definitely expect a WR in that group -- maybe bring Doucet in to reunite with Bowe? Flynn's out there too -- we could just becomes LSU Tigers North.

[Logan]

Plus as soon as the Penn State job opens up Schiano is gone, then it's back to the basement.

Not a fuckin chance of happening.

[Lathum]

Not a fuckin chance of happening.

what Schiano taking the PSU job or RU tanking again

[tucker rocky]

Did anyone notice that no WR's were picked in the 1st round?
(Surprised Detroit didn't) :D

[Logan]

what Schiano taking the PSU job or RU tanking again

"Schiano to PSU" is the most unfounded, baseless rumor there is.

[Lathum]

Your out of your mind if you don't think Schiano takes the PSU job when it's open.

He was all but gone this year and he turned down Miami the year before. If you think he is gonna coach at Rutgers the next 20 years your crazy.