2008 NFL Draft Thread-Jake Long Goes #1

[RedKingGold]

Honestly, I think it's more likely that Bill Cowher is the next coach of PSU rather than Schiano.

[Lathum]

Honestly, I think it's more likely that Bill Cowher is the next coach of PSU rather than Schiano.

then explain why Shiano has turned down Miami and Michagan in consecutive years?

[Logan]

First of all, if he was going to leave, it would make sense to take the Miami job where he has a history and a ton of connections.

Second, if that wasn't good enough for him, he would take the Michigan job. PSU is a huge step below Michigan.

Third, the only reason people think Schiano is dying to go to PSU is because he called Paterno his idol about 10 years ago. Would you be dying to follow in the footsteps of the guy who, after Schiano accepted what he described as his dream job at Rutgers, said he made the biggest mistake of his life and commited career suicide?

Please. He's not going to PSU and I'll bet anything on it. If he leaves, it will be for the NFL when he gets his gameday coaching up to an adequate level.

Anyway...not necessary to have this discussion in this thread.

[Lathum]

well we agree to disagree then

[Swaggs]

Your probably right, but my Dad went to RU and I grew up watching them and being a fan. It was nice to see them doing so well after enduring so many brutal years. With Rice leaving I have a feeling they take a step back. Plus as soon as the Penn State job opens up Schiano is gone, then it's back to the basement.

I think Rutgers may slide back a bit, but all teams go up and down. I still feel like they are set up to be successful in the long term. They now have the infrastructure in place to survive the loss of Rice and even Schiano. I think they will be a consistent competitor for the BE title.

I think, with Rice, he probably realizes that he will never be 6'0 and/or weigh 225 lbs and his sub 4.5 at the combine was pretty surprising to most folks, so he tested out as well as he probably could have and it would have been near impossible for him to be more productive than he did this past season. Even if he loved being in college, he probably measured the pros and cons and realized that best case, he could go in the 2nd or 3rd this year and prove himself, and that he could make some money on his second contract.

Going back to school, he could have set some records and enjoyed being BMOC, but he had to consider the risk of injury (Michael Bush-like, or even nagging injuries that could have slowed him down at the combine and individual workouts) and what that added work load of carries would do to his body.

[General Mike]

I agree with Logan. If Schiano ever leaves, it's gonna be for the NFL. New Jersey is broke as a state, and he still gets a $100 Million stadium expansion approved.

[Swaggs]

Honestly, I think it's more likely that Bill Cowher is the next coach of PSU rather than Schiano.

I think Bill Cowher is more likely to be the Carolina Panthers head coach than a college coach.

He felt like he was underpaid his final season with the Steelers when he was making between $5-6 million, so I doubt he would want to go live in Happy Valley, PA making $2-3 million.

I half think that he may choose to just stay retired, but I think if he does come back, it will be with a NFL team.

[st.cronin]

I see Schiano taking a Big 10 job someday, depending on what happens with the Big East, but I assume PSU is going to set up a chain of succession that does not include him.

[Logan]

Swaggs hit it. He wasn't going to be a 1st round RB next year and best-case would've improved his draft position by a half of a round. Not worth the risk. He would have a very good chance at breaking Dayne's rushing record, but 1300 carries entering the NFL is just insane. Get into the league and have an extra year being paid before your body breaks down.

[Swaggs]

I cannot see Schiano as a NFL guy any time soon.

His biggest assets as a head coach are his ability to generate excitement and recruit -- both of which would go to waste in the NFL.

I think he'd take PSU if offered, but I'm not sure he will get the offer. PSU has a huge coaching tree to work from.

Now that Rutgers has the infrastructure in place (facility and fan base-wise) and Schiano has proven that they can be a viable program, they will be fine with or without him, in my opinion.

[Logan]

I see Schiano taking a Big 10 job someday, depending on what happens with the Big East, but I assume PSU is going to set up a chain of succession that does not include him.

What B10 job do you think he would take if he passed over Michigan and you don't think PSU is interested?

When I say Schiano/NFL, I'm talking 15-20 years down the road when he has accomplished what he would want to at Rutgers. As cliche as it sounds, I think he wants to be known as the Paterno of RU.

P.S. Dear NFL, this is why you should have 3 rounds on Day 1! :)

[st.cronin]

What B10 job do you think he would take if he passed over Michigan and you don't think PSU is interested?


Maybe someplace like Northwestern or Illinois, or maybe Notre Dame. And the circumstances would have to be that he believes the Big East is not tenable. Right now that's not the case, but it could be in the future. Right now he believes in the Big East.

[Swaggs]

I think Schiano is still somewhat unproven. Right now, he is riding pretty high, but what he does in the next 2-4 years at Rutgers will probably shape his career trajectory. Coming off an 11-2 record, I doubt most fans thought that Rutgers would have "only" gone 7-5 during the regular season in '07.

I'm guessing if Rutgers goes 6-6 or 5-7 (or worse) and the team misses bowl games in consecutive seasons over the next two years, Schiano is looking a lot less attractive and Rutgers fans may even be wondering if someone else could do a better job.

I'm not saying this will happen, but there is a pretty fine line between a 7 or 8 win season and a 5 or 6 win season (I know this because this was pretty much Don Nehlen's range during much of his time at WVU), so an injury here or there, and we could be looking at Greg Schiano going into his 10th season at a BCS school with a sub .500 record. So, to me he needs to have 3-4 more years of 8+ wins to cement himself as a very good head coach.

[Logan]

As I said in one of my prior posts, I don't think he's anywhere near a "good" coach yet. He has a lot of work to do to get better on gameday.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hey, anyone that knows more about college football than me (read: basically anyone) give me/us the rundown on Forte?

I do however, find it amusing that Angelo swallowed his pride and drafted a RB.

[st.cronin]

Forte, big power back, not too quick but should be strong in the passing game, both receiving and blocking. NFL Comp: Kevin Faulk, maybe.

[Coffee Warlord]

Forte, big power back, not too quick but should be strong in the passing game, both receiving and blocking. NFL Comp: Kevin Faulk, maybe.

Make me feel happy. Just say..."Better than Cedric Fucking Benson". :)

[Atocep]

Hey, anyone that knows more about college football than me (read: basically anyone) give me/us the rundown on Forte?

I do however, find it amusing that Angelo swallowed his pride and drafted a RB.

He tested really well at the combine, has good size and 4.4 speed, and catches the ball well. The comparisons I've heard are to Edgerin James and as far as running style/receiving goes I think its a good fit. IMO, its an outstanding pick in the 2nd round and he should fit with what the Bears want to do.

[st.cronin]

Probably somewhere between Cedric Benson and Edgerrin James. :)

Worst case scenario, he'll have some situational value in the passing game, and he could be a pretty unique feature back.

[Coffee Warlord]

Personally, I vote more Edge and less Cedric.

[Logan]

I was surprised Chicago took Forte over Rice.

[Lathum]

I was surprised Chicago took Forte over Rice.

I was bummed. I can root for the bears.

[st.cronin]

I actually like both of Chicago's selections. I think they did a good job on day 1.

[Ryche]

I was surprised Chicago took Forte over Rice.

I am relieved the Bears took Forte over Rice. Rice is going to be a stud, ala Tiki Barber or Emmitt Smith (Smith may be pushing it)

[MikeVic]

Steelers draft seems god so far. I know I've seen mocks of Sweed being taken with their 1st, so to get him with their second seems like great value.

[Chief Rum]

what Schiano taking the PSU job or RU tanking again

The PSU job opening up. JoePa will be there forever. :)

[QuikSand]

So, the WR position seems baffling this year. I confess I didn't follow a lot of the hype too closely, but *every* mock I saw had two or three wideouts going in round one. Not only do we surprisingly get our of round one with zero WR off the board, but once they started going, it wasn't even the subset predicted who were the ones going off first -- at least two or three "other guys" got peppered in above the near-consensus first-rounders like Thomas, Jackson, Sweed, and Kelly. Just seems like an odd confluence of things at work there.

I have to wonder if some teams targeted WR for a round 2 or 3 pick, and basically didn't really even look at the top three or four guys (assuming they would be long gone before they were ready to pick their WR) and suddenly they ended up with "some guy" atop their WR target list while some of the big names were still sitting there. I don't know what you do in that situation (well, I guess if you're the Redskins, you probably just go ahead and take two of them, even if you haven't laid eyes on them).

Just seems odd to me. I'm used to specific guys falling further than expected, and I'm used to the occasional "wow, they took *some guy* while all these name players were still out there" but I can't recall seeing so much of both at the same position in any draft. This year's WR class is going to look odd in retrospect.

[MizzouRah]

Round 3 - I hope the Rams take LB Dan Connor. I know we need OL help, but we still need a run stopping LB.

[kurtism]

So, the WR position seems baffling this year. I confess I didn't follow a lot of the hype too closely, but *every* mock I saw had two or three wideouts going in round one. Not only do we surprisingly get our of round one with zero WR off the board, but once they started going, it wasn't even the subset predicted who were the ones going off first -- at least two or three "other guys" got peppered in above the near-consensus first-rounders like Thomas, Jackson, Sweed, and Kelly. Just seems like an odd confluence of things at work there.

I have to wonder if some teams targeted WR for a round 2 or 3 pick, and basically didn't really even look at the top three or four guys (assuming they would be long gone before they were ready to pick their WR) and suddenly they ended up with "some guy" atop their WR target list while some of the big names were still sitting there. I don't know what you do in that situation (well, I guess if you're the Redskins, you probably just go ahead and take two of them, even if you haven't laid eyes on them).

Just seems odd to me. I'm used to specific guys falling further than expected, and I'm used to the occasional "wow, they took *some guy* while all these name players were still out there" but I can't recall seeing so much of both at the same position in any draft. This year's WR class is going to look odd in retrospect.

I recall Mike Mayock at NFLN saying that he did not have any WR with a first-round grade this year - could just be that there were a bunch of second-round-graded wideouts, and that teams went for "their guy" based on his primary skillset...

[Logan]

So, the WR position seems baffling this year. I confess I didn't follow a lot of the hype too closely, but *every* mock I saw had two or three wideouts going in round one. Not only do we surprisingly get our of round one with zero WR off the board, but once they started going, it wasn't even the subset predicted who were the ones going off first -- at least two or three "other guys" got peppered in above the near-consensus first-rounders like Thomas, Jackson, Sweed, and Kelly. Just seems like an odd confluence of things at work there.

I think it has to do with these guys having a couple major questions about them. Thomas: one year wonder, work ethic; Jackson: size, consistency; Sweed: consistency, speed, injury; Kelly: horrible timed speed, work ethic/maturity. These guys probably just didn't match-up with the skillset these teams were looking for.

[Comey]

I'm kind of irritated with ESPN Insider right now. Yesterday was a day that just seemed to fight me the entire way through.

The clinching blow was when I went to check out their pick-by-pick analysis. Being an Eagles fan, I was most interested in pick 47 and 49.

Well, Trevor Laws' analysis is there.

But DeSean Jackson's analysis is not.

In fact, he is the only pick to not have analysis. They completely skipped him. Kind of odd to me, but also rather fitting, in a day where not much seemed to go right. It made me laugh, though only to the point of a chuckle.

[DeToxRox]

Looks like Detroit traded up to the top of the third .. Come on Charles or Connor.

[DeToxRox]

Lions swap the 10th pick in the third it looks like plus a 6th for this pick. Not bad.

[Logan]

Kevin Smith.

[DeToxRox]

Meh. Smith is okay but 450 carries last year?

[MizzouRah]

Greco? DAMMIT!!! Connor was right there for the taking!

[Sublime 2]

In normal BB/Pioli fashion the Pats pick up an 09 2nd rounder and the 160th pick overall this year from SD for their 3rd rounder.

[Logan]

It's not an okay deal since they had so many picks anyway, but as long as SD doesn't collapse next season, they traded a high 3rd for a 5th and a very low 2nd, discounted for being next season.

[Coffee Warlord]

Angelo goes OL, RB, WR with his top 3 picks. I'm scared.

[Northwood_DK]

The 49ers have still not drafted a WR?

[Logan]

I don't think WR is as pressing of a need as people think. Jason Hill will be given a shot to earn the starting spot opposite Bruce.

edit to add: I do think they'll take a developmental guy, but with Bruce, Battle, Bryant Johnson and Hill it's a little crowded already, even if there's no #1.

[DeToxRox]

KC with two good picks this round in Charles and Morgan. Amazing draft.

[Arles]

So, the WR position seems baffling this year. I confess I didn't follow a lot of the hype too closely, but *every* mock I saw had two or three wideouts going in round one. Not only do we surprisingly get our of round one with zero WR off the board, but once they started going, it wasn't even the subset predicted who were the ones going off first -- at least two or three "other guys" got peppered in above the near-consensus first-rounders like Thomas, Jackson, Sweed, and Kelly. Just seems like an odd confluence of things at work there.
Ted Thompson talked about this in his post draft press conference. He said a lot of people get caught up in measureables and don't think to ask if the guy can play football. He said that's why people thought Greg Jennings and James Jones were reaches in the past two drafts and why some will think Jordy Nelson wasn't the best pick this year.

[NoMyths]

I can't be more pleased with the Chiefs' draft so far -- all of a sudden I'm having to question my dislike of Carl Peterson, and that's maybe the biggest surprise of the draft for me so far. :D

[Logan]

ZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTAH!

[Arles]

I'd like to see GB go OL here (Oniel Cousins maybe?).

[Swaggs]

Steve Slaton goes a little earlier than expected.

Anyone know much about Houston's running back situation?

[Arles]

Need a second TE who can catch - Finley's solid.

[rjolley]

I think for the blocking scheme Houston uses, Slaton is a great pick. I also like NE picking up Shawn Crable out of Michigan and Indy picking up Phillip Wheeler out of GT. Very solid picks for established teams.

[Raiders Army]

I hope Steve Slaton will do a great job in the NFL.

[Lathum]

I love the Manningham pick. 2 solid young receivers, plus we did well with the last Michagin receiver. Plus my team in the fantasy alma mater league is Michagin

[rjolley]

If Slaton can stay healthy, I think he can be good. The big question I have is why did he disappear so much in games. Seemed like if you got to him early, he was a non-factor for the rest of the game, even if the focus of the defense shifted to White or Devine.

[SteveMax58]

I like Manningham here in the 3rd round. I wasnt too big on taking him in the 2nd or 1st, but here it's pretty good value and worth a shot.

[DeToxRox]

Another WR for Cinncy? Apparently Chad won't be playing for them, or at least they don't think so.

[Clark]

I love the Manningham pick. 2 solid young receivers, plus we did well with the last Michagin receiver. Plus my team in the fantasy alma mater league is Michagin

Not sure about him. He scored a 6 on his Wonderlic test. Also a failed drug test.

[JW]

Jacob Hester to San Diego in the 3rd round. San Diego got a good one. Early in that game, Florida DB's were taunting Hester, calling him "vanilla ice." Uh huh.

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[Thomkal]

Not too surprised the Cards went WR in the third round, even though they have got to go with a RB at some point during this draft. Especially after letting Bryant Johnson go in free agency they have very little behind Boldin and Fitzgerald, and who knows if Boldin will be on the roster at the start of the season.

[Doug5984]

Jacob Hester to San Diego in the 3rd round. San Diego got a good one. Early in that game, Florida DB's were taunting Hester, calling him "vanilla ice." Uh huh.

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Agreed- I'm surprised he went this early, but I think they got a great player- watching LSU games you knew he wasn't the most talented back they had, but he was always the one making the important plays, a great special teams guy, good blocker, good runner, good receiver- I wish the Saints would've had a need for a FB/RB/ ST guy- I would've loved to have him on the team.

[JeeberD]

I just got home from work...what's up with the Cowboys trading away their picks? Are they all for future picks?

[JeeberD]

Dola-

Crap...Demps to the EAGLES?!?!? :mad:

[kcchief19]

Couldn't be more pleased the Chiefs went local and took Will Franklin. He needs to work on a few things but he has blazing speed and nice hands. He's a hugh deep threat, assuming Croyle can throw the ball deep.

The homer in me would have preferred Rucker to Cottam at TE. Rucker's going to be a nice pick for Cleveland.

Somewhat surprised at the Charles pick to start the third. The Chiefs seemed sold on Kolby Smith as a No. 2 back. Still need more help at OL and might need another WR and DB. Wouldn't be surprised to see them take a flier on a QB. Some interesting names are going to be available late in this draft.

[JeeberD]

Another RB? :confused:

[MizzouRah]

Couldn't be more pleased the Chiefs went local and took Will Franklin. He needs to work on a few things but he has blazing speed and nice hands. He's a hugh deep threat, assuming Croyle can throw the ball deep.

The homer in me would have preferred Rucker to Cottam at TE. Rucker's going to be a nice pick for Cleveland.

Somewhat surprised at the Charles pick to start the third. The Chiefs seemed sold on Kolby Smith as a No. 2 back. Still need more help at OL and might need another WR and DB. Wouldn't be surprised to see them take a flier on a QB. Some interesting names are going to be available late in this draft.

The Cheifs have done one hell of a job in the draft... imho. I was hoping the Rams would get Franklin.. at least he'll be close.

Rucker is an EXCELLENT pick for Cleveland.. I really think he's a sleeper.. even if I'm bias.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The homer in me would have preferred Rucker to Cottam at TE. Rucker's going to be a nice pick for Cleveland.

Barring further injury, I think you'll grow to like Cottam.

He was underutilized at UT for most of his career, when he played & was used he proved he could make a big play. Surprisingly athletic for his size and he's smart.

[INDalltheway]

Painter, not Brees or Orton, holds the Purdue single season passing record. I think he's a first day pick.
This is a from a few pages back but this is a really bad way to look at this one record Painter holds.. If you followed Purdue football at all you would know the reason he holds this record is because Purdue's defense was so bad. Teams would score so fast and forced Purdue to throw the ball like crazy. I agree though that he does look like the prototypical NFL quarterback, but from watching him, he's no where close.

[Swaggs]

If Slaton can stay healthy, I think he can be good. The big question I have is why did he disappear so much in games. Seemed like if you got to him early, he was a non-factor for the rest of the game, even if the focus of the defense shifted to White or Devine.

From my perspective, there are two schools of thought on Slaton.

The biggest is that he put on about 10-15 lbs of muscle because he thought he would be a better NFL prospect as a 200 lb RB and that caused him to lose some speed.

The second is that he was overthinking things last season, causing him to take too long to choose his hole(s). That lead him to have a lot of negative and minimal gains.

[bhlloy]

Jacob Hester to San Diego in the 3rd round. San Diego got a good one. Early in that game, Florida DB's were taunting Hester, calling him "vanilla ice." Uh huh.



I'm stoked about the Hester pick. Seems like he has a great chance to play signifcant minutes as the big back, some FB and be a stud on special teams. Two very solid players for the Bolts so far.

[bhlloy]

DOLA - JD Booty goes to Minnesota. Gotta think he has a great chance to start at some point this season. I guarantee you he is a better passer than Tavaris Jackson right now. Great pick for player and team.

[ISiddiqui]

DOLA - JD Booty goes to Minnesota. Gotta think he has a great chance to start at some point this season. I guarantee you he is a better passer than Tavaris Jackson right now. Great pick for player and team.

Yep, Jackson's time is coming to a close quickly. Though I'm surprised they didn't take Brohm or Henne in the 2nd round... perhaps Booty will be decent.

[Eaglesfan27]

DOLA - JD Booty goes to Minnesota. Gotta think he has a great chance to start at some point this season. I guarantee you he is a better passer than Tavaris Jackson right now. Great pick for player and team.

Yep. Very happy for Booty, probably the best situation for him in the entire league - poor competition at QB, great running back, very good offensive line, and a solid defense. If they get some better receivers, he could be very solid there.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dola-

Crap...Demps to the EAGLES?!?!? :mad:

What is the scouting report on Demps?

[NoMyths]

Yep. Very happy for Booty, probably the best situation for him in the entire league - poor competition at QB, great running back, very good offensive line, and a solid defense. If they get some better receivers, he could be very solid there.

And don't forget that he'll be playing indoors for half of the season -- I kind of wondered if KC might not take him, but Arrowhead weather conditions don't suit his game as well.

[MrBug708]

Matt Slater to the Pats. Good pickup for them as they now have a dangerous kick return man

[Eaglesfan27]

Heh. Dennis Dixon to the Steelers. I look forward to seeing how creatively they use him.

[Swaggs]

Steelers taking a lot of guys with injury concerns. Seems like Sweed, Tony Hills, and now Dixon are all coming off season ending injuries.

Hopefully they are getting good value and not fragile players.

[DaddyTorgo]

meh - if looking at cnnsi's blurbs about the Pats draftees is any indication they're having a shitty draft - idk...not a lot of names i'm at all familiar with, i'll need to do some digging

[MrBug708]

meh - if looking at cnnsi's blurbs about the Pats draftees is any indication they're having a shitty draft - idk...not a lot of names i'm at all familiar with, i'll need to do some digging

Slater will do nothing but return kicks for you. That's all he did at UCLA, had a few taken back for TD's as well

[Galaril]

My Titans draft quite possibly could go down as one of the worst jobs by a GM in the history of the draft. They picked a scatback,Chris Johnson,East Carolina that most likely will be at best be a backup and worst a third string/ 3rd downsituational guy. Already the experts say without a downfield threat this guy is a total waste. The 2nd round pick was a reach on DE from E.Michigan and the 3rd rounder was for a blocking TE out of California. Then they trade a 4th and 5th pick so they can move to take a small slow DE Hayes, Winston Salem University who wasn't even expected to be drafted. This guy was suppose to be undrafted free agent invite type and they wasted the 103 pick in the top of the 4th round on him. After that they picked Desean Jackson backup who will compete for the end of a mediocre WR corp in tennessee. The next pick was a small quick OLB from Purdue that will be a special teams guy. They still have 6 and 7th rounder to go but that is it. Just terrible when other teams in there division namely the Jags were very agrressive and successful in the draft. Alot of Titans fans are starting to speculate that the Tennessee FO/coach have given up on Young. Most certainly they did nothing to help imrove this kids passing by getting him a viable down the field wr threat in Free AGENCY OR THE DRAFT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS!

[DeToxRox]

Well, I am going to say the Titans know Vinces limitations. He can't throw the ball down the field, so you get Chris Johnson and let him line up all over and let him make plays after the catch.

They could move it down the field with Collins in at QB, but not Vince. They probably know what they have by now.

[Swaggs]

My Titans draft quite possibly could go down as one of the worst jobs by a GM in the history of the draft. They picked a scatback,Chris Johnson,East Carolina that most likely will be at best be a backup and worst a third string/ 3rd downsituational guy. Already the experts say without a downfield threat this guy is a total waste. The 2nd round pick was a reach on DE from E.Michigan and the 3rd rounder was for a blocking TE out of California. Then they trade a 4th and 5th pick so they can move to take a small slow DE Hayes, Winston Salem University who wasn't even expected to be drafted. This guy was suppose to be undrafted free agent invite type and they wasted the 103 pick in the top of the 4th round on him. After that they picked Desean Jackson backup who will compete for the end of a mediocre WR corp in tennessee. The next pick was a small quick OLB from Purdue that will be a special teams guy. They still have 6 and 7th rounder to go but that is it. Just terrible when other teams in there division namely the Jags were very agrressive and successful in the draft. Alot of Titans fans are starting to speculate that the Tennessee FO/coach have given up on Young. Most certainly they did nothing to help imrove this kids passing by getting him a viable down the field wr threat in Free AGENCY OR THE DRAFT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS!

I think Lavelle Hawkins could be a solid slot guy. Not a bad pick for a late 4th. Overall, I think you are right, though. It almost seems like they took each of their first 3 picks a round early. Johnson would have been a great 2nd round pick and Jones would have been pretty solid as a 3rd.

[Swaggs]

Seattle just moved up my list of teams to like.

Owen Schmitt was a great college player and a lot of fun to cheer for. Hopefully, he gets a good shot with the Seahawks.

[bhlloy]

Not as happy with the Chargers third pick. Not sure why we needed another big back. I guess they weren't planning on playing Hester at RB, but if that was the case he's a big reach in the third round.

[stevew]

FOFC fave Thomas Brown just got drafted by the Falcons.

[Cringer]

Colt Brennan to the Redskins.

[Shkspr]

Colt Brennan to the Redskins.

I'm skeptical of his ability to rush the passer from the edge.

[Noop]

I'm skeptical of his ability to rush the passer from the edge.

:confused:

[timmynausea]

From my perspective, there are two schools of thought on Slaton.

The biggest is that he put on about 10-15 lbs of muscle because he thought he would be a better NFL prospect as a 200 lb RB and that caused him to lose some speed.

The second is that he was overthinking things last season, causing him to take too long to choose his hole(s). That lead him to have a lot of negative and minimal gains.

I actually think it was quite a bit of both. I was leaning more toward the second group until some of Coach Stew's comments recently. He basically said that Slaton got bad advice in needing to bulk up and Barwis did a horrible job of bulking him up. I guess Slaton pulled his hamstring several times last year, which is attributable completely to the way he added the extra muscle. Stewart was pretty emphatic that he had definitely lost a step, too.

If he can drop 5 or 10 pounds and get that speed back, I definitely think he could make it in the pros and even do very well, especially in a zone blocking scheme like the Texans use. The bigger, slower Slaton of '07 probably wouldn't stick around more than a few years, though.

[Shkspr]

:confused:

One of Washington's key needs was a pass rusher. They've taken a 2nd string TE, a punter, and a 4'6" cover corner along with the biggest gimmick QB in a decade instead of getting even one big body to put along the DL.

[Noop]

Shit San Diego drafted Tribble.

[timmynausea]

Glad to see Ryan Mundy go to the Steelers. He didn't even get invited to the combine, but the numbers he put up at the WVU pro day were on par with some of the top safeties in the draft.

[Noop]

Ugh... I might have to be a Patriot fan....

[Noop]

Thank Goodness.

[Noop]

Andre' Woodson hasn't been drafted? Wow talk about a major drop.

[cartman]

Mike Hart is still on the board as well.

[Noop]

Well Woodson just got drafted.

[ISiddiqui]

And the Giants grab him.

[DeToxRox]

Mike Hart will be a solid pro. I am shocked he has lasted so long. I expect Indy to scoop him up with one of these two picks.

[DeToxRox]

Erin Henderson is another kid I really like that is still on the borad.

[Buccaneer]

Andre' Woodson hasn't been drafted? Wow talk about a major drop.

Seems like a long time ago they were talking about Brohm, Ryan and Woodson being the top 3 QBs.

[timmynausea]

I definitely agree on Henderson. I'm really surprised that he's still around.

I thought there were enough questions about Woodson (delivery and reading defenses) and Hart (speed and size) that I'm not shocked that they've dropped. I do think both have a chance to make it, but there are some limitations to their upsides. I have no idea what the problem with Henderson would be. Did he have a horrible combine or something?

[Noop]

I have to admit when the day started I wasn't stressed because I figured by the 6th round I would be happy. Right now I am stressed...

[Mike1409]

Well Woodson just got drafted.


And the rumor is the Giants picked up Tim Couch to complete their Kentucky QB trifecta.

[DeToxRox]

Maybe it's the fact Detroit didn't have a sixth but this round is dragging.

[DeToxRox]

Dola - I know there are like 8 extra picks because of the comp selections but even still.

[DeToxRox]

Figured. I think this is a really good fit for Hart too.

[Noop]

Mike Hart will be a solid pro. I am shocked he has lasted so long. I expect Indy to scoop him up with one of these two picks.

You got it right.

[DeToxRox]

I am surprised McFadden found the time in his busy schedule of having kids out of wedlock to be interviewed.

[INDalltheway]

I like Hart backing up Addai!

[Noop]

I am surprised McFadden found the time in his busy schedule of having kids out of wedlock to be interviewed.

Is that necessary? How many people nowadays are born out of wedlock? At least he has to my recollection taken responsibility for his kids.

[DeToxRox]

Is that necessary? How many people nowadays are born out of wedlock? At least he has to my recollection taken responsibility for his kids.

Sure it was. People got a lot of mileage out of Travis Henry, and McFadden is even more high profile. It's all in fun.

[DeToxRox]

I love what the Colts have done this round. It's no surprise they're the best drafting team in the NFL.

[Noop]

Flynn is off the board.

[ISiddiqui]

To the Pack, LOL.

[Cringer]

DUDE! Aaron Rodgers lost his job yesterday to Brohn, and now Brohn lost his job today to Flynn. The Packers are crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrazy! ;)

[Swaggs]

Glad to see Ryan Mundy go to the Steelers. He didn't even get invited to the combine, but the numbers he put up at the WVU pro day were on par with some of the top safeties in the draft.

Glad to have a Mountaineer heading to play for the Steelers. I think Mundy could be a pretty good find for a late round pick.

[Noop]

I hope Sinorce or Santana can make it happen.

[Shkspr]

Erin Henderson is another kid I really like that is still on the borad.

ACLs are overrated.

[Arles]

Love these geniuses on Scouts.inc in the ESPN tracker:

rob (tampa): Why would GB take Matt Flynn and Brian Brohm

Scouts, Inc.'s Doug Kretz: Rob.. two reasons 1) best player available & 2) maybe they aren't sold on Aaron Rodgers

yeah, they take a QB in the 7th (who will probably be on the practice squad) and that shows they don't like their starter. By that logic, the Pack didn't like Favre when they drafted Hasselbeck in the 6th and had another backup. Sheesh.

[Buccaneer]

Despite toughness shown in his rehabilitation, he is graded by scouts as only a marginal character guy.

This is what they said about Glenn Sharpe. Why?

[stevew]

Glad to have a Mountaineer heading to play for the Steelers. I think Mundy could be a pretty good find for a late round pick.

Maybe he'll put Lord tyrone out to pasture.

[Noop]

This is what they said about Glenn Sharpe. Why?

Truthfully Glenn didn't like the new staff at all and I think they didn't do him any favors when scouts came to them asking questions about him. Also their was an incident last summer that might have been what this scout in particular heard about.

The incident was a total misunderstanding but Miami coaches despite hearing the truth were kinda of cold toward him.

[Swaggs]

Maybe he'll put Lord tyrone out to pasture.

How will Tyrone afford all of his car payments? :)

[Logan]

This is what they said about Glenn Sharpe. Why?

Probably for hanging out with Noop :).

[Young Drachma]

I see Schiano taking a Big 10 job someday, .

Only if Rutgers moves to it. (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=529755)

[Izulde]

A little disappointed Miami hasn't taken a WR.

[stevew]

How will Tyrone afford all of his car payments? :)

Someone else will have to post bond the next time his dumbass brother (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2379521) gets in jail.

[MikeVic]

Do you think Glenn Sharpe gets drafted?

[DeToxRox]

Only if Rutgers moves to it. (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=529755)

Well considering he lost three of his own states best to Michigan last year, I'd say he has a lot of work to do in his own backyard before someone elses.

[Schmidty]

That was the first time I've seen a Lions pick cheered and applauded.

[Noop]

Do you think Glenn Sharpe gets drafted?

I thought he was going to New England earlier but so far he has mostly invites.

[Buccaneer]

Truthfully Glenn didn't like the new staff at all and I think they didn't do him any favors when scouts came to them asking questions about him. Also their was an incident last summer that might have been what this scout in particular heard about.

The incident was a total misunderstanding but Miami coaches despite hearing the truth were kinda of cold toward him.

Well, as Logan said, tell him to stay away from you. :)

[Noop]

Nice. It had nothing to do with me but whatever you shouldn't assume.

[st.cronin]

Steelers taking a lot of guys with injury concerns. Seems like Sweed, Tony Hills, and now Dixon are all coming off season ending injuries.

Hopefully they are getting good value and not fragile players.

I don't think Sweed is much of an injury concern. He had a serious injury as a senior, but I don't think its going to have any long-term implications.

[Swaggs]

That was the first time I've seen a Lions pick cheered and applauded.

It's a nice story -- hopefully he works out and makes it.

[Noop]

It's a nice story -- hopefully he works out and makes it.

+1

[Passacaglia]

So is this guy like an anti-Pat Tillman?

[bhlloy]

What worse - being sent to Iraq or being drafted by the Lions?

[Noop]

What worse - being sent to Iraq or being drafted by the Lions?

I am going to do a career with the Lions in FOFC...

[st.cronin]

I am disappointed Miami didn't draft Mario Manningham.

[st.cronin]

New Mexico's pick: Marcus Smith to the Ravens in the 4th round; I honestly don't think he can play in the NFL, I'll be surprised if he's ever more than a special teams guy.

Wisconsin's picks: Jack Igegwuonu to the McNabb's in the 4th round; dude has serious character issues, and he's got bad knees too. Very high risk pick. Nick Hayden in the 6th round by Carolina; I'm not sure what position he projects to play in the league, he's a little small for DT, and doesn't seem to have the skills for DE. Taylor Mehlaff to New Orleans in the 6th; should be a really good kicker, he was great in college. Paul Hubbard to Cleveland in the 6th; could be a major steal, he's very talented.

[Arles]

In the true Ted Thompson form, GB trades its last 7th (gained from moving down earlier) to the Saints for a pick in 09. Ensuring that GB can have yet another draft with 9-13 picks next year.

[Izulde]

Yet another DE?

You'd think they would've gotten at least one WR.

Yeah, I'm a bit disgruntled with the second day right now.

[Cringer]

In the true Ted Thompson form, GB trades its last 7th (gained from moving down earlier) to the Saints for a pick in 09. Ensuring that GB can have yet another draft with 9-13 picks next year.

I loved that move. A small thing, but very nice at that point since they could get an extra 6th next year and be happy signing a few undrafted free agents instead of having that 3rd 7th round pick on the day.

[JeeberD]

Very glad to see UTEP RB Marcus Thomas go to SD, where he has a shot to make the team as LT's backup.

[JeeberD]

Dola-

What is the scouting report on Demps?

Not great size, but good speed and a GREAT nose for the ball. He is, I believe, second or third in school history in interceptions, and he took several of those back for scores, including two 100+ yard returns this past season. He's also a solid return man, he took a couple of those back as well. His run defense isn't great, though he can make some hard hits.

[Eaglesfan27]

Thanks, Jeeber. The Eagles need another good return guy and some depth at S so he sounds like a good 4th round value for the Eagles.

[digamma]

I'm pretty much guaranteed to take a trip up to Oxnard to the Cowboys' training camp this summer--wearing a #22 Tashard Georgia Tech jersey and all.

[JeeberD]

Thanks, Jeeber. The Eagles need another good return guy and some depth at S so he sounds like a good 4th round value for the Eagles.

Not a problem. Hopefully he'll make the team and make plays (except against the 'Boys)...while the rest of the teams sucks enough to make them lose. ;)

[TazFTW]

Colt Brennan to the Redskins.

blech but I guess it is a good situation for him. A known starter and a veteran backup ahead of him. Zorn is also a QB coach so that should help with development.

Shame none of the Hawaii WRs got drafted but it looks like they have all signed FA deals. Bess is going to Miami, Rivers to Tennessee, Grice-Mullins to Houston, and OL Hercules Satele to Arizona.

[JeeberD]

Here's some numbers from the UTEP website, Doc...

Demps, a two-time first-team All-C-USA honoree (2006 and 2007) was an honorable-mention All-American by SI.com as a senior. Demps is UTEP's all-time leader for interception yards (404), tied for first in interceptions for touchdowns (three), second in interceptions (17) and tied for second in pass break-ups (24).

Additionally, he earned 47 starts, making 275 tackles-including .5.5 for losses, five forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries and two blocked kicks.

In 2007, Demps ranked 15th nationally in punt returns (13.3 avg.) and tied for 24th in interceptions (0.4 avg.). He also became the first player in NCAA history to have two 100-yard interception returns in a single season.

[Buccaneer]

blech but I guess it is a good situation for him. A known starter and a veteran backup ahead of him. Zorn is also a QB coach so that should help with development.



Wow. Your Rainbows goggles extend to the NFL too? ;)

He will be much better suited for the CFL or esp. the AFL.

[Raiders Army]

So is this guy like an anti-Pat Tillman?

no

[SackAttack]

Woo, just saw that a couple of guys I interviewed for the COC newspaper back in the day after Cougar football wins got drafted. Joey LaRocque in the 7th to Chicago, Justin Tryon in the 4th to Washington.

Tryon was a ballhawk when I saw him play, and LaRocque had a habit of just laying nasty hits on guys over the middle. Been a couple years since I've seen either one play, but I hope they manage to stick with their new teams.

[flounder]

I'm pretty much guaranteed to take a trip up to Oxnard to the Cowboys' training camp this summer--wearing a #22 Tashard Georgia Tech jersey and all.

I've already informed the wife I'm getting a Tashard Choice jersey. He'll have a lot to live up to wearing 22 in Dallas though.

[mckerney]

Someone else will have to post bond the next time his dumbass brother (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2379521) gets in jail.

As long as he convinces his cousin to play for Minnesota over Miami, I'll be happy whatever the Steelers do for him.

[mckerney]

Erin Henderson is another kid I really like that is still on the borad.

Henderson has signed with the Vikings.

[Groundhog]

Though I'm only familiar with about two/two-and-a-half round's worth of rookies, I like what Denver, Kansas City, Dolphins, Carolina, and the Jets did.

[JeeberD]

Apparently QB/WR/ATH Lorne Sam has signed a free agent deal with the Broncos. I'm 98% sure he'll be trying to make the team as a WR, where he showed some good potential.

[Cringer]

Speaking of WRs. I didn't have much of a problem with the Packers taking Jordy Nelson with their first pick at all. I chuckled a little when they drafted another WR in the 7th, because I knew some fans would be having a fit.

Now though, I am wondering. Who is going to be cut out of the WR party in GB? Jordy makes the 53 man roster I am sure. With the Packers often running 4 and 5 WR sets, keeping 6 active wouldn't be a big deal for them. Still, there is a ton of competition at WR for the Packers.

Donald Driver
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Koren Robinson
Ruvell Martin (don't overlook this guy, Favre liked him and he is said to be Rodgers' favorite WR since he worked with him the most)
Carlyle Holiday (another 2nd year guy like Martin and Jones, who the first half of the year was the 5th WR instead of Martin)

Now throw in two rookies and 3 others young WRs already on the roster. Holy crap that will be a crazy training camp at WR. Maybe they will be able to trade someone near the end of camp for a draft pick or something if it goes good enough.

[Logan]

Chiefs fans...I already loved your draft but now I have a personal interest in the team. Rutgers FS Ron Girault has signed a UDFA deal with KC. The kid can absolutely play. You watch him and he doesn't really do anything spectacular but at the same time, he makes all his tackles, doesn't get burned by receivers, and is in the right place at the right time. His agent said he chose KC over other offers because of the lack of depth on the roster and if that's true (not really sure where you stand but I know they took a S in the 3rd), I think he'll play his way onto the 53-man. He's got good size and ran a 4.46 at Rutgers' Pro Day.

[miked]

Chiefs fans...I already loved your draft but now I have a personal interest in the team. Rutgers FS Ron Girault has signed a UDFA deal with KC. The kid can absolutely play. You watch him and he doesn't really do anything spectacular but at the same time, he makes all his tackles, doesn't get burned by receivers, and is in the right place at the right time. His agent said he chose KC over other offers because of the lack of depth on the roster and if that's true (not really sure where you stand but I know they took a S in the 3rd), I think he'll play his way onto the 53-man. He's got good size and ran a 4.46 at Rutgers' Pro Day.

You obviously weren't watching the Louisville game :)

Then again, anyone who has to make up for the god awful McCourty twins gets my vote.

[cartman]

Noop, I heard that Glenn signed a FA deal with the Falcons. Is that right? If so, that's kinda cool that two big time college players with FOFC ties ended up on the same team.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Chiefs fans...I already loved your draft but now I have a personal interest in the team. Rutgers FS Ron Girault has signed a UDFA deal with KC. The kid can absolutely play. You watch him and he doesn't really do anything spectacular but at the same time, he makes all his tackles, doesn't get burned by receivers, and is in the right place at the right time. His agent said he chose KC over other offers because of the lack of depth on the roster and if that's true (not really sure where you stand but I know they took a S in the 3rd), I think he'll play his way onto the 53-man. He's got good size and ran a 4.46 at Rutgers' Pro Day.

We've got two young safeties that basically started out of necessity last year. They've got potential, but I'd agree with his assessment that there's no veterans that stand in his way. Also, Herm Edwards is not afraid to throw young players into the mix if they perform well in training camp.

[miked]

In other RU news, my friend tells me Foster signed with the Colts, and Renkart is close to signing with the Jets. If anyone needs shitty kickoffs, they can sign Ito. Maybe on a weekly basis, teams that are playing the Bears can ink Ito so they can ensure no kickoffs actually reach him.

[Thomkal]

anybody got a link to the undrafted free agent signings? Or tell me who the Cards got?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

anybody got a link to the undrafted free agent signings? Or tell me who the Cards got?

This is one of the best sites I've found for free agent signings..........

http://fflivewire.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=128822

[JonInMiddleGA]

Mizzou beat me to it, that's the best one I've found so far.

[mckerney]

anybody got a link to the undrafted free agent signings? Or tell me who the Cards got?

QB Anthony Morelli
G Carlton Medder
DL Bryan Robinson
DL Kellen Dykes

[JonInMiddleGA]

anybody got a link to the undrafted free agent signings? Or tell me who the Cards got?

from the link mentioned earlier
Cardinals T Thaddeus Coleman (Mississippi Valley State)
Cardinals QB Anthony Morelli (Penn State)
Cardinals T Hercules Satele (Hawaii)
Cardinals DT Keilen Dykes (West Virginia)
Cardinals DL Bryan Robinson (Wesley College)
Cardinals G Carlton Medder (Florida)
Cardinals FB Dionte Johnson (OSU)
Cardinals LB Ali Highsmith (LSU)

[rjolley]

Nice to see the 2 NW Missouri State players get picked up. Omon, a very good RB, was drafted in the 6th round by Buffalo, and Peterson, a TE, was signed by Green Bay. I'll be a casual fan of the Bills for a bit, but not even a fellow Bearcat on the squad can make me feel anything but rivalry hate for the Packers.

[SackAttack]

I can't believe Tony Temple didn't get drafted. I hope he survives the cuts in Cleveland.

I'm also surprised, for a team that was #1 in the country at one point, how many Missouri players were UDFA signees. You'd have thought there'd be a little more interest in them than that.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I can't believe Tony Temple didn't get drafted. I hope he survives the cuts in Cleveland.

I'm also surprised, for a team that was #1 in the country at one point, how many Missouri players were UDFA signees. You'd have thought there'd be a little more interest in them than that.

At some level, I'm sure NFL execs are writing off the offensive numbers as part of the system that Mizzou runs. Temple had some pretty large openings to run through thanks to that passing attack. Wideouts everywhere help the receiver numbers. I do think that Rucker is going to end up being a fine player for Cleveland. His athletic ability for his size is amazing. There's a lot of similarities between him and Tony Gonzalez.

Draft position shouldn't be too much of an issue next year for Mizzou. William Moore is already considered a top 10 pick for next year and another big year for Chase Daniel should be a big boost for his stock. Chase Coffman will also be a high pick.

[Eaglesfan27]

Draft position shouldn't be too much of an issue next year for Mizzou. William Moore is already considered a top 10 pick for next year and another big year for Chase Daniel should be a big boost for his stock. Chase Coffman will also be a high pick.

Chase Daniel will not be a high draft pick. Maybe a midround pick at best, no matter what he does this year, unless he figures out a way to grow a few inches.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Chase Daniel will not be a high draft pick. Maybe a midround pick at best, no matter what he does this year, unless he figures out a way to grow a few inches.

He's actually still growing. He's hit the 6 foot mark roughly a year ago, which is generally the starting point as far as height to be a draftable QB. He started at 5'10" when he first arrived at Mizzou. They expect him to reach 6'1" by the time he graduates. If he can reach 6'1", he could easily be a 2nd round pick assuming another big year, which would be quite good.

[Swaggs]

I can believe that Chase Daniel has grown from 5'10 to 6'1 in the Mizzou media guide, but I would guess that the folks that do the measuring for the NFL may see things differently.

[Eaglesfan27]

I can believe that Chase Daniel has grown from 5'10 to 6'1 in the Mizzou media guide, but I would guess that the folks that do the measuring for the NFL may see things differently.

Exactly. Humans generally don't grow 3 inches after their 18th birthday.

[stevew]

6 foot nothing QB's are usually successful at the NFL level. Remember how Wuerffel tore shit up?

[rkmsuf]

6 foot nothing QB's are usually successful at the NFL level. Remember how Wuerffel tore shit up?

don't dis doug flutie

[Thomkal]

thanks guys for the links and Cards signings

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I can believe that Chase Daniel has grown from 5'10 to 6'1 in the Mizzou media guide, but I would guess that the folks that do the measuring for the NFL may see things differently.

He's a legit 6 foot. Let's just say I have some pretty good knowledge of the situation. He measured out at 6 feet, 1/4 inches during spring drills. 6'1" is an inflated number.

[stevew]

This has potential to devolve into one of the dumbest arguments in FOFC history.

[rkmsuf]

This has potential to devolve into one of the dumbest arguments in FOFC history.

was he wearing shoes during the measurement?

[stevew]

Flip Flops, socks and jean shorts.

[rkmsuf]

Flip Flops, socks and jean shorts.

how thick were the flip flops?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

This has potential to devolve into one of the dumbest arguments in FOFC history.

Agreed. I'm not sure what the big debate is. For that matter, the fact that the NFL execs lend that much credence to the difference between 5'11" and 6'0" rather than their talent level is equally as baffling.

[Arles]

Now though, I am wondering. Who is going to be cut out of the WR party in GB? Jordy makes the 53 man roster I am sure. With the Packers often running 4 and 5 WR sets, keeping 6 active wouldn't be a big deal for them. Still, there is a ton of competition at WR for the Packers.

Donald Driver
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Koren Robinson
Ruvell Martin (don't overlook this guy, Favre liked him and he is said to be Rodgers' favorite WR since he worked with him the most)
Carlyle Holiday (another 2nd year guy like Martin and Jones, who the first half of the year was the 5th WR instead of Martin)

Now throw in two rookies and 3 others young WRs already on the roster. Holy crap that will be a crazy training camp at WR. Maybe they will be able to trade someone near the end of camp for a draft pick or something if it goes good enough.
My guess is Driver, Jennings, Jones, Jordy, K-Rob and Martin make the team. Then, Swain goes to the practice squad. Holiday was released in Feb and is no longer on the team. One guy I could see get moved is Robinson - he was more of a Favre favorite and isn't really needed now.

I see them having Driver as the SE, Jennings as the flanker and Jones/Jordy in the slot. Both have good speed and are strong across the middle. Jordy was compared to Dwight Clark or Ed McCaffrey with a little more speed. K-Rob is more of a homerun threat with questionable hands. And, given Jones and Jordy have similar speed, there's no real reason to play him over those guys (who have more upside).

[stevew]

Agreed. I'm not sure what the big debate is. For that matter, the fact that the NFL execs lend that much credence to the difference between 5'11" and 6'0" rather than their talent level is equally as baffling.

Either way, he's still not big enough. Most NFL Execs will not want to risk their career on him by making him an early draft pick. Guys around 6 foot often times have trouble making the necessary pro throws.

[JPhillips]

Daniels' bigger problem is his performance against upper echelon teams. Over the past two years he's struggled against Oklahoma and bowl opponents. Until he shows that he can put up the same numbers against top competition, I believe NFL guys will hesitate.

[Arles]

Packers TE Michael Peterson (Northwest Missouri State)
Packers LB Danny Lansanah (UConn)
Packers RB Kregg Lumpkin (Georgia)
Packers WR Taj Smith (Syracuse)
Packers LS J.J. Jansen (Notre Dame)
Packers P Ken Debauche (Wisconsin)
Packers RB Justin Beaver (UW-Whitewater)
Packers LB Marcus Riley (Fresno State)
Packers C Brennen Carvalho (Portland State)
Packers WR Jake Allen (Mississippi College)
I could see DeBauche giving Ryan a run at punter. I also think TE Peterson has an outside chance at the 3rd TE spot depending on his ST play. Do any SEC guys know much about the Georgia RB? All I've read is that he's had some bad injuries (ACL and thumb).

I'm guessing 1-2 of the rest may make the practice squad. GB's always had a strong showing for undrafted guys (a la Bigby, Grant, Gado).

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Daniels' bigger problem is his performance against upper echelon teams. Over the past two years he's struggled against Oklahoma and bowl opponents. Until he shows that he can put up the same numbers against top competition, I believe NFL guys will hesitate.

Well, Oklahoma is the only bowl team that Mizzou lost to last year. They handily won against all of the other opponents, including a convincing win over the Orange Bowl champs. But I do agree that he needs to lead them to a B12 conference title and a BCS win to improve his stock to that higher level.

[rkmsuf]

Agreed. I'm not sure what the big debate is. For that matter, the fact that the NFL execs lend that much credence to the difference between 5'11" and 6'0" rather than their talent level is equally as baffling.

NFL QBs(other than complete scrubinies) 6-1 or less:


Rex Grossman 6-1
Brooks Bollinger - he's probably a scrubiny at this point
Drew Brees 6-1
Mark Brunell 6-1
Seneca Wallace 5-11
Brock Berlin 6-1 - I've heard of him I guess. #3 for the Rams is pretty scrubiny.
Jeff Garcia 6-1
Bruce Gradowski 6-1


he better get to 6-1 to have a whif of a chance. even then it's not a great list outside of Brees and maybe Garcia

[JonInMiddleGA]

Do any SEC guys know much about the Georgia RB? All I've read is that he's had some bad injuries (ACL and thumb).

SD or GD or one of the actual UGA fans could give you a more detailed assessment but basically he was a guy who didn't get all that many chances in his career.

His career stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=146665) tell at least some of the story.

His senior season was a wash due to injuries & being stuck behind several other backs. His junior season ('06) was his most productive, but even then he lost some carries to Thomas Brown & Danny Ware. He can catch some passes out of the backfield for you, and has been at worst an acceptable running option during his college career. Nothing that really jumps out at you but nothing that really makes him a surefire miss either.

I would have to think he's hoping to have something of the same situation that Danny Ware has gotten, making an NFL roster in spite of relatively limited action in college.

My two cents worth.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

NFL QBs(other than complete scrubinies) 6-1 or less:


Rex Grossman 6-1
Brooks Bollinger - he's probably a scrubiny at this point
Drew Brees 6-1
Mark Brunell 6-1
Seneca Wallace 5-11
Brock Berlin 6-1 - I've heard of him I guess. #3 for the Rams is pretty scrubiny.
Jeff Garcia 6-1
Bruce Gradowski 6-1


he better get to 6-1 to have a whif of a chance. even then it's not a great list outside of Brees and maybe Garcia

Interestingly enough, your examples provide a good argument that Chase Daniel should be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round assuming he puts up similar senior numbers to his junior year. Brees and Grossman are the two players in the list that have college statistics in similar offenses at similar levels to what Chase Daniel put up last year. Grossman was drafted in the 1st round at the 22nd pick and Brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round when he was drafted. Daniel, Grossman, and Brees were all finalists for both the Heismann Trophy and the Davey O'Brien Award. Now, arguing whether Daniel will be a good pro or not is another thing, but previous precedent judging from those examples shows that Daniel should be drafted in the first two rounds of the NFL draft.

[rkmsuf]

Interestingly enough, your examples provide a good argument that Chase Daniel should be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round assuming he puts up similar senior numbers to his junior year. Brees and Grossman are the two players in the list that have college statistics in similar offenses at similar levels to what Chase Daniel put up last year. Grossman was drafted in the 1st round at the 22nd pick and Brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round when he was drafted. Daniel, Grossman, and Brees were all finalists for both the Heismann Trophy and the Davey O'Brien Award. Now, arguing whether Daniel will be a good pro or not is another thing, but previous precedent judging from those examples shows that Daniel should be drafted in the first two rounds of the NFL draft.

I'm not sure Grossman is helping you sell him here into the first or second round.

There are 8 QBs that EXIST in the NFL 6-1 or under.

He better be ultra good next year to even receive consideration on day 1.

[Dr. Sak]

Were they measuring to the top of his skull or the top of his spiked hair?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm not sure Grossman is helping you sell him here into the first or second round.

There's 8 QBs that EXIST in the NFL 6-1 or under.

He better be ultra good next year to even receive consideration on day 1.

Grossman's overall performance since he was drafted has little to do with what occured on draft day. When he was drafted, he was good enough to warrant a 1st round pick. As I mentioned, the credentials between Daniel, Brees and Grossman are VERY similar.

I agree that he needs to be 'ultra good'. I don't think it's a stretch to say that a junior QB who was a Heismann finalist and will be playing on a top 5 ranked team easily has the opportunity to be 'ultra good'. Time will certainly tell.

[stevew]

He had heely's on when they measured him.

[rkmsuf]

Grossman's overall performance since he was drafted has little to do with what occured on draft day. When he was drafted, he was good enough to warrant a 1st round pick. As I mentioned, the credentials between Daniel, Brees and Grossman are VERY similar.

I agree that he needs to be 'ultra good'. I don't think it's a stretch to say that a junior QB who was a Heismann finalist and will be playing on a top 5 ranked team easily has the opportunity to be 'ultra good'. Time will certainly tell.

Maybe the Bears can take him in the first round.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Were they measuring to the top of his skull or the top of his spiked hair?

If you were truly creative, you would have referenced him picking his nose.

[Dr. Sak]

If you were truly creative, you would have referenced him picking his nose.

No way...I pick my nose all the time.

[INDalltheway]

I think the kicker was him eating the boog..

[ISiddiqui]

Grossman's overall performance since he was drafted has little to do with what occured on draft day. When he was drafted, he was good enough to warrant a 1st round pick. As I mentioned, the credentials between Daniel, Brees and Grossman are VERY similar.

Actually I think it matters a great deal. It can be used as an example where a team thought that the on field performance was good enough to ignore the size issue and they were wrong. It can be a cautionary tale for others who are on the smallish side.

[rkmsuf]

Actually I think it matters a great deal. It can be used as an example where a team thought that the on field performance was good enough to ignore the size issue and they were wrong. It can be a cautionary tale for others who are on the smallish side.

basically he wasn't good enough to be a first round pick yet the bears picked him anyway

[Cringer]

My guess is Driver, Jennings, Jones, Jordy, K-Rob and Martin make the team. Then, Swain goes to the practice squad. Holiday was released in Feb and is no longer on the team. One guy I could see get moved is Robinson - he was more of a Favre favorite and isn't really needed now.

I see them having Driver as the SE, Jennings as the flanker and Jones/Jordy in the slot. Both have good speed and are strong across the middle. Jordy was compared to Dwight Clark or Ed McCaffrey with a little more speed. K-Rob is more of a homerun threat with questionable hands. And, given Jones and Jordy have similar speed, there's no real reason to play him over those guys (who have more upside).

Yes, I agree the battle is mostly at the bottom. I am just real interested in how it works out now though, more then I was before the draft. I didn't know Holiday was cut, that is interesting. I guess they didn't think he would improve much?

So you throw in the draft picks and now you have two more WRs in the undrafted FA signings.....

Packers TE Michael Peterson (Northwest Missouri State)
Packers LB Danny Lansanah (UConn)
Packers RB Kregg Lumpkin (Georgia)
Packers WR Taj Smith (Syracuse)
Packers LS J.J. Jansen (Notre Dame)
Packers P Ken Debauche (Wisconsin)
Packers RB Justin Beaver (UW-Whitewater)
Packers LB Marcus Riley (Fresno State)
Packers C Brennen Carvalho (Portland State)
Packers WR Jake Allen (Mississippi College)


I really like that they went out and signed a guy for the long snapper spot. Packers haven't had to worry about that about as long as QB.

[Pyser]

anyone have a link to a list of all the trades? i cant find the list anywhere

[Honolulu_Blue]

anyone have a link to a list of all the trades? i cant find the list anywhere

I too have been looking for this unsuccessfully. The Lions appeared to make any number of trades and I couldn't keep track.

Edit:

This link appears to summarize all of them:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/27/sports/FBN-NFL-Draft-Trades.php

[kcchief19]

NFL QBs(other than complete scrubinies) 6-1 or less:

Rex Grossman 6-1
Brooks Bollinger - he's probably a scrubiny at this point
Drew Brees 6-1
Mark Brunell 6-1
Seneca Wallace 5-11
Brock Berlin 6-1 - I've heard of him I guess. #3 for the Rams is pretty scrubiny.
Jeff Garcia 6-1
Bruce Gradowski 6-1

he better get to 6-1 to have a whif of a chance. even then it's not a great list outside of Brees and maybe Garcia
Everything I've seen list Drew Brees at 6-0, not 6-1, unless it's the Saints media guide. I also assume that at least an inch has been added to each of these guy's heights as well. That's also not a complete list -- David Garrard is listed at 6-1. Vick is 6-0 but that doesn't help my case.

Drew Brees is the Chase Daniel model, and I don't think there is any doubt that as a QB Daniel is better than Brees.

Is there a correlation between height and success as a QB in the NFL? Anecdotally you could certainly say that the list of "great" NFL quarterbacks taller than 6-2 is longer than the list of "great" QBs shorter than that. But there are plenty of successful 6-0 and 6-1 QBs around, even in the NFL right now. And I know Chase is taller than Doug Flutie. :)

But here's the reverse of the argument about height -- Joey Harrington is 6-4. Being tall isn't a guarantee. At some point, it's about throwing the ball where it needs to be. I've seen Rex Grossman throw a ball and I'll argue this until the cows come home -- he doesn't throw bad passes because he's 6-1. He throws bad passes because he has no touch, no brain and no confidence. Daniel has all three in spades.

[Cringer]

I've seen Rex Grossman throw a ball and I'll argue this until the cows come home -- he doesn't throw bad passes because he's 6-1. He throws bad passes because he has no touch, no brain and no confidence. Daniel has all three in spades.

Rex Grossman has thrown a few damn good passes in his time, but the guy just plain sucks overall. I agree that is more about his other 'attributes' and not about his height.

[Logan]

Drew Brees is the Chase Daniel model, and I don't think there is any doubt that as a QB Daniel is better than Brees.

Um...

[INDalltheway]

Drew Brees is the Chase Daniel model, and I don't think there is any doubt that as a QB Daniel is better than Brees.
Maybe a little homer in me, but I think that there is some doubt..

[Buccaneer]

And here I thought MJ4H was the poster boy for blind homerism. Lol. :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't think there is any doubt that as a QB Daniel is better than Brees.

Hmm ... perhaps one of those words doesn't quite mean what you think it means.

doubt
noun
1. the state of being unsure of something
2. uncertainty about the truth or factuality or existence of something

;)

[Tigercat]

What a college QB isn't undoubtedly better than a NFL pro bowler?

[ISiddiqui]

Drew Brees is the Chase Daniel model, and I don't think there is any doubt that as a QB Daniel is better than Brees.


LOL... just LOL.

[Swaggs]

Missouri Fans = http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/Homer_Simpson_2006.png/200px-Homer_Simpson_2006.png???

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Missouri Fans = http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/Homer_Simpson_2006.png/200px-Homer_Simpson_2006.png???

Your compliment is appreciated.

[Logan]

Hmm ... perhaps one of those words doesn't quite mean what you think it means.

doubt
noun
1. the state of being unsure of something
2. uncertainty about the truth or factuality or existence of something

;)

Maybe he doesn't really know what "Brees" means. Or made some kind of weird connection with "Leaf" blowing in a "Brees."

I don't think I've ever seen such universal disagreement about a sports-related opinion.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

FYI for those that might be interested. Glenn Dorsey is going to do an interview at 1:00 PM CDT on a local KC radio station. Live streaming audio can be found at http://www.810whb.com/

[Noop]

Some of the questions from the Wonderlic Test:

1. If the Ohio State tailback gets $42,000 from a Buckeye booster but the Escalade he wants is $57,000, he should:

a) Buy a different SUV
b) Take a job he doesn't have to show up for from another booster to cover the difference
c) Ask Maurice Clarett to borrow one for him
d) Transfer to an SEC school with more generous boosters

2. Texas A&M scores 46 points against Miami in a bowl game. How many staff members will Larry Coker fire the next week?

3. If Joe Paterno's team loses a close game, how long before his players will be allowed to talk to the media again? Bonus: How long will Penn State fans complain on their message boards?

4. Which of these numbers in the following group is the largest?

a) 10 x 14 x 5
b) 632
c) 1,000 - 275 + 30
d) Charlie Weis' cholesterol level

5. A linebacker is 21. The underage girl he sleeps with is 16. At Tennessee, how many plays against a non-conference team would he have to miss as punishment?

6. If ESPN's Gameday crew were to go to Arkansas to cover a game, how much netting would be needed to protect Kirk, Lee and Chris Fowler from objects thrown by Razorback fans?

a) none
b) 200 feet
c) all Home Depot sells in a three city area
d) Trick question: Gameday would never go to Arkansas

7. Marcus Vick runs a 4.3 and Maurice Clarett runs a 4.48 but the 9mm Glock hidden in Vick's waistband is heavier. Who has a better chance of out-running the cops and evading arrest?

8. If the world's largest sequoia tree is almost 3,000 years old and the earth's crust is 5 billion years old, how old is Bobby Bowden if he started coaching before either?

9. If Michigan has a 12 point lead with under 9 minutes left in the game, how much time will be left on the clock when the opposing team scores the winning touchdown?

a) 3 minutes
b) 1 minute
c) :35 seconds
d) none, last play of the game and immediately named ESPN Instant Classic

10. Your team's stadium holds 96,000 fans but regularly only sells 32,000 tickets to its home games. How long will it take the team bus to drive back to Westwood?

11. Which would be more unbearable: Spending a hot day in the stall of Ralphie, the Colorado Buff mascot, or driving across Kansas in a vinyl-seated, non-air conditioned '73 Nova with Jayhawks coach Mark Mangino. Explain.

12. If you watch two hours of ESPN pre-game, four hours of post-game and six versions of SportsCenter during which Beano Cook appears 15% of each broadcast, how many times will you want to gouge your eyes out with a tongue depressor?

13. Floyd of Rosedale is:

a) Barney Fife's neighbor from the old ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW
b) The current WWF champion
c) A college football trophy as coveted as winning a giant stuffed animal at the state fair

14. If a Onepeat.com LSU fan wastes 60% of each day stewing over the shared title with USC in 2003, how many hours will he have left each week to not date women?

15. The ninth month of the year is:

a) June
b) January
c) November
d) The time when the Kappa Kappa Gamma girls arrive back on campus to start doing your homework again

EXTRA CREDIT: If Lou Holtz is brought in to rebuild your program, how many years of NCAA probation will your school receive when he leaves?

[Dr. Sak]

Hilarious! Where did you find that Noop?

[Swaggs]

I like those, Noop. Pretty well smacks everyone around. :)

The UCLA one is the most brutal, IMO.

[Noop]

On warchant.

[JeeberD]

Tebow has no shot of being an NFL QB.

Todd McShay doesn't agree with you (at all)...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3372132&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft08%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dmcshay_todd%26id%3d3372132%26campaign%3drss%26source%3dESPNHeadlines

7. Chicago Bears -- Tim Tebow*, QB, Florida
It's almost certain that the Bears will need a quarterback come next offseason. Unfortunately, next year's crop of signal-callers does not look promising at this point. Bears fans won't be thrilled if the team uses a high pick on another Gators quarterback following the failed Rex Grossman experiment, but Tebow's unique blend of skills and rare intangibles might be too good to pass up. Should Tebow elect to leave school early, however, his uncommon skill set could make him the most difficult prospect at any position to grade.

[Buccaneer]

2009 Mock Draft


1. Chiefs (via trade with Falcons) -- Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia * -- A quarterback has gone No. 1 overall six out of the past eight years, and Stafford looks like the most likely candidate to develop into that kind of elite QB. His numbers were mediocre last year, but he had no line or receivers. The Falcons will have the worst record, but be able to field trade offers because they don't need a QB.

2. Raiders -- Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech * -- Plays in a big numbers system, but his size and speed still make him an elite receiver. And he will fit into the "Al Davis kind of player" category.

3. Lions -- Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State * -- Wells said he wants to stay four years at Ohio State, but an elite running back trying to save wear and tear on his body would be foolish not to go pro as soon as possible.

4. Falcons (via trade with Chiefs) -- Andre Smith, OT, Alabama * -- Smith doesn't get the publicity of Ole Miss offensive tackle Michael Oher, but we'll take a shot on a player many considered the top prospect in his high school class.

5. Rams -- James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State -- Could have been a top-15 pick this year. Goes higher than usual for an inside linebacker because of athleticism.

6. Dolphins -- Fili Moala, DT, USC -- Moala is one of the few dominant defensive tackles in this draft and will someday require double-teams in the NFL.

7. 49ers -- Michael Oher, Mississippi -- You'll see him in other mocks in the top three. Word from Oxford is that the coaching staff isn't thrilled with Oher's performance last year and work ethic. But he's still a huge natural talent.

8. Bengals -- C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson* -- Spiller, a standout at track as well, averaged 7.3 yards per carry last season and is a bona fide home run threat. His backfield partner, James Davis, could also be a top-45 pick.

9. Ravens -- Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma -- At 6-foot-8 and at least 350 pounds, Loadholt could draw some comparisons to Jonathan Ogden. He's not that good, but certainly grades as a first-rounder.

10. Bills -- Rey Maualuga, LB, USC -- I hate putting the Bills this low, but I don't have much confidence in their quarterbacks. Look for them to take one in the second round of the '09 draft (perhaps Hunter Cantwell or Graham Harrell).

11. Cardinals --Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU -- Jackson had a disappointing '07 campaign, but he still has impressive physical skills and he may go even higher if he bounces back this season.

12. Eagles (via Panthers) -- Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin -- One of two first-rounders for Eagles after a '08 draft-day trade with the Panthers. Beckham had 75 catches for 982 yards last season and should be a nice safety blanket Eagles quarterback Kevin Kolb.

13. Jets -- Derrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland * -- Heyward-Bey is tall and fast, he'll have great combine numbers. The question: Is he physical enough to be a star in the NFL?

14. Packers -- Taylor Mays, S, USC * -- You have to love athletic USC safeties. Mays could follow in Troy Polamalu's and Ronnie Lott's footsteps and be a star in the NFL.

15. Broncos -- George Selvie, DE, South Florida * -- Selvie struggled toward the end of last season, but if he gets a little stronger he should get a lot of attention from the NFL.

16. Titans -- Lydon Murtha, OT, Nebraska -- This may be my one true darkhorse in the first round. Not on anyone's radar right now, but he was a huge recruit out of high school who runs a very fast 40 for a big man. If he can stay healthy, expect a breakout year.

17. Texans -- Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss -- Jerry gets overshadowed by defensive end Greg Hardy at Mississippi, but should have a strong enough season to vault up into the first round.

18. Bears -- Demetrius Byrd, WR, LSU -- I really want to give the Bears a quarterback, but I think most of the QBs in this draft are second-rounders. Look for them to grab the best available receiver. Byrd hasn't produced yet, but has blazing 40 speed.

19. Browns -- Greg Middleton, DE, Indiana * -- Middleton had 16 sacks last season and will be a nice complement to Kamerion Wimbley.

20. Buccaneers -- Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State -- Others have projected him as a top-five pick, but there's buzz he won't be able to produce that kind of 40 time.

21. Redskins -- Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas -- Scouts like Orakpo's size and speed and the Skins would love to be able to pressure the QB more.

22. Vikings -- Percy Harvin, WR, Florida * -- He's not very big (5-foot-11, 185 pounds), but the Vikes will find a place for him.

23. Seahawks -- Alex Boone, LT, Ohio State -- He should be part of an outstanding offense at Ohio State that will make him look good.

24. Eagles -- Michael Jones, WR, ASU -- The Eagles are undoubtedly still trying to trade for a premiere receiver this offseason, but if they can't, watch out for Michael Jones. Jones had just 46 catches as a junior, but 10 of them were for touchdowns and those numbers will go up this year.

25. Saints -- Brian Cushing, LB, USC -- This is an optimistic place for the Saints, but I'll give them the edge over the Bucs in the watered-down NFC South.

26. Giants -- Myron Rolle, S, Florida State * -- Not related to Samari or Antrel, but we won't hold that against him. He could go even higher if he improves this season.

27. Steelers -- Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech -- A 6-7 DE/LB hybrid with great speed who should have a good season at Georgia Tech.

28. Jaguars -- Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn * -- After strengthening the ends in this year's draft, the Jags bolster the interior of the defensive line.

29. Chargers -- Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma -- With the recent emphasis on guards around the league, the massive Robinson will be a hot prospect.

30. Colts -- Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State -- Colts will be eager to get back to a better running back tandem (sorry Kenton Keith).

31. Cowboys -- Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State -- Receivers Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn are getting old.

32. Patriots -- Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State -- His character issues may very well push him out of the first round (he was arrested for allegedly assaulting a police officer this offseason), but the Patriots think they can fix talented players.

*Indicates underclassmen
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[Buccaneer]

Note, the author passed on slotting Tebow.

[Dr. Sak]

FWIW Tebow is only a Junior and from what I've heard, has no plans on leaving early.

[DeToxRox]

FWIW Tebow is only a Junior and from what I've heard, has no plans on leaving early.

I don't doubt it. Slow white TE's aren't exactly the rage.

[Noop]

Myron Rolle is not a first round safety. He is slow and beyond average.

[GrantDawg]

2009 Mock Draft


Stafford will have to improve a lot to warrant that. He has the size and arm, but not the accuracy yet.

[BishopMVP]

In somewhat cool news, my friend at West Point is roommate's with the Lions pick from Army.

[rkmsuf]

So then based on the mock draft the Pats are going to win the Superbowl next year.


BOOYEAH

[st.cronin]

Personally I think Tebow is an excellent QB prospect.

[Dr. Sak]

Personally I think Tebow is an excellent QB prospect.

If his passing skills continue to grow like they did from his Freshman to Sophomore year, I agree completely with that statement. The kid has a good head on his shoulders and is an intelligent football player.

[rkmsuf]

Personally I think Tebow is an excellent QB prospect.

yeah but you drive a miata, dude

[timmynausea]

I don't think there's any way Selvie is a top 15 pick unless he puts on 20 or 30 pounds and maintains his speed/quickness. He reminds me of Corey Moore of VT - amazing college DE that was just too small for the NFL. He went from All-American with all the awards to a 3rd round pick that was out of the league within 2 or 3 years.

Selvie might be one of the top 15 in college football, though. I noticed that all 32 guys on that mock are from BCS conference schools, and my guess is that it's more a ranking of talented college players rather than really projecting skills/athleticism to the next level.

[Logan]

I have to find the GIF of the vicious stiff arm Ray Rice pulled on Selvie this year.

edit: This will have to do.

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[st.cronin]

Travis Beckum is great, but it seems weird to me that he's considered an elite NFL TE prospect, because he just doesn't look like a TE. His build reminds me more of somebody like Kobe Bryant.

[Honolulu_Blue]

2009 Mock Draft

This mock draft is off. There is NO WAY the Lions will be drafting third. Further, why in the hell would they need to draft Wells when they'll have Rookie Of The Year, Kevin Smith at running back?

FAIL.

(I tried to write that with as much conviction as possible, but it's hard. Welcome to Detroit, Beanie!)

[Ksyrup]

This is the first time I've stepped foot in this thread, so forgive me is this was posted already. Jerry Jones at the post-draft party:

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m169/carryon47/jerrygirl.jpg

[Cringer]

This is the first time I've stepped foot in this thread, so forgive me is this was posted already. Jerry Jones at the post-draft party:

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m169/carryon47/jerrygirl.jpg

I thought I accidently clicked on the "What the hell do you look like?" thread by accident somehow. No offense, I just didn't recognize the drunken Jones at first.....

[rkmsuf]

I thought I accidently clicked on the "What the hell do you look like?" thread by accident somehow. No offense, I just didn't recognize the drunken Jones at first.....

I thought that was pumpy.

[mckerney]

Travis Beckum is great, but it seems weird to me that he's considered an elite NFL TE prospect, because he just doesn't look like a TE. His build reminds me more of somebody like Kobe Bryant.

I think he could be a top TE prospect, I think it's wrong to automatically assume he will be at this point. If he shows that he can add some weight and be a better blocker while not losing speed I think he can easily be a top 15 pick, but I wouldn't just assume that he will do that. It's silly to do mock drafts at this point, but even worse when they assume players like Lydon Murtha will get a lot better and players like Beckum will automatically answer the questions that kept them from entering this years draft.

[ISiddiqui]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m169/carryon47/jerrygirl.jpg

Eli Manning in 30 years.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I thought I accidently clicked on the "What the hell do you look like?" thread by accident somehow. No offense, I just didn't recognize the drunken Jones at first.....

On the other hand, the really really drunk guy behind Jones & blond to the right could easily be an FOFC'er.

[QuikSand]

Eli Manning in 30 years.

Who's the old dude with him?

[stevew]

On the other hand, the really really drunk guy behind Jones & blond to the right could easily be an FOFC'er.

Probably Schoonover on his recent vacation.

[TazFTW]

On the other hand, the really really drunk guy behind Jones & blond to the right could easily be an FOFC'er.

Given the Arkansas connection, that's obviously MJ4H.

[Buccaneer]

Jerry Jones thinks he is a cool studmuffin, doesn't he? (first-time user of studmuffin here at FOFC!).

By the way, that mock draft was done by CNN/SI, fwiw.

[Logan]

Eli Manning in 30 years.

PING: Eli/Shorty pic.