Right Stick Passing: Could be a revolution. also Forza3=BB?

[randombrother]

How many of you here have played Gears of Wars? There's a particular weapon in the game affectionately know as the "boomstick". It's basically a rocket launcher. But when you use it it reminds you more of throwing the projectile to your target rather than launching it. While playing the game I always thought that the mechanics of using this weapon would fit beautifully with a football game. I wasn't the only one either. When launching one from great distance that hits the opponent square many people have referred to it as "touchdown".

Do you guys think this is what BB has in mind with the "right stick passing"? I really hope so. I think that would revolutionize the football genre.

Also I notice Forza 3 has a "dummy" mode for people who just want to drive around and not worry about a thing (not even breaking) yet have the game be as technical as it was in the past with pure simulation physics. I see BB mentions something like this wanting anyone to pick up the game and play yet have a vet mode for guys who want to play hardcore. I wonder if this is a new trend for games now.

[buddha9009]

Quote: Originally Posted by randombrother

How many of you here have played Gears of Wars? There's a particular weapon in the game affectionately know as the "boomstick". It's basically a rocket launcher. But when you use it it reminds you more of throwing the projectile to your target rather than launching it. While playing the game I always thought that the mechanics of using this weapon would fit beautifully with a football game. I wasn't the only one either. When launching one from great distance that hits the opponent square many people have referred to it as "touchdown". Do you guys think this is what BB has in mind with the "right stick passing"? I really hope so. I think that would revolutionize the football genre. Also I notice Forza 3 has a "dummy" mode for people who just want to drive around and not worry about a thing (not even breaking) yet have the game be as technical as it was in the past with pure simulation physics. I see BB mentions something like this wanting anyone to pick up the game and play yet have a vet mode for guys who want to play hardcore. I wonder if this is a new trend for games now.

Hm right stick passing on a football game like Madden?

Actually I like the idea. As long as you could adjust the sensitivity like in shooters to one's liking. Kind of execute it a bit like an "invisible cone" without it being physical and more....tactical?

[Valdarez]

Personally, the idea sounds bad. Implementation will be everything, but in general I haven't liked right analog stick implementation for games that have traditionally used buttons. The kicking game in APF2K8 is one that I really liked. I didn't like the Fight Night changes / implementations (I know others loved it, but I didn't like it, too many years playing boxing games with buttons).

[kjcheezhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

Personally, the idea sounds bad. Implementation will be everything, but in general I haven't liked right analog stick implementation for games that have traditionally used buttons. The kicking game in APF2K8 is one that I really liked. I didn't like the Fight Night changes / implementations (I know others loved it, but I didn't like it, too many years playing boxing games with buttons).

This is exactly why I like the idea. I've used the same controls for years and in madden, it's getting really stale. It's gonna be nice to have to learn a game again instead of picking up the controller, setting the game to "all-madden" and going 16-0 season 1.

[Valdarez]

Quote: Originally Posted by kjcheezhead

This is exactly why I like the idea. I've used the same controls for years and in madden, it's getting really stale. It's gonna be nice to have to learn a game again instead of picking up the controller, setting the game to "all-madden" and going 16-0 season 1.

Yeah, I can see that, new controls / controllers can make or break a game. That's all I was trying to say. There are some games on the Wii for example that I can't imaging playing the old way (Resident Evil 4 on the Wii RUINED me for Resident Evil 5 on the XBox 360 for example). I'm open to the idea, but have reservations. The implementation will be everything.

[headsigh]

I liked the idea of stripping down the highlight stick to a 360 "real-time" feature. Instead of similar animations, you could basically string together movements with the analog stick (eg pushing down then left on the analog stick would mean you stop and then take a hop step/juke to the left). It was just a thought, though.

[gamerk2]

Quote: Originally Posted by headsigh

I liked the idea of stripping down the highlight stick to a 360 "real-time" feature. Instead of similar animations, you could basically string together movements with the analog stick (eg pushing down then left on the analog stick would mean you stop and then take a hop step/juke to the left). It was just a thought, though.

But you see, that requires more breaks in animations, break tackle animations for each possible animation sequence, and like it or not, the combinations you could do would be limited by what animations EA bothered to put in.

Hence, why animation based engines don't make much sense for what you want to accomplish, as you are limited to the devs imagination and game animation engine. Now, make a body move fluidly through a physics engine, and then you can seemlessly do what you are thinking of.

Besides, EA actually update Madden? Lets see, we lost formation subs (which makes NO sense whatsoever), but gained the fight for the football...*sigh*

[e0820]

John Elway football in the arcades had stick passing. Maybe they mimic'd that. I know some of you youngers guys are saying, "Who is John Elway and whats an arcade?"