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stewart#28 · 10-01-2011, 02:34 PM

I was hoping to get some input for recruiting and general player roster analysis in it's most basic form, ala "Idiots Guide to Recruiting/Evaluations"....my thought on this is what is the one or two single most important things took look for when setting your depth chart or evaluation a potential recruit for your team...
Easy Example
QB
Throw Power B and above
Throw Accuracy B and above
If your looking for a running QB B and above

where it get's a little tricky for me is OL/DL/LB/HB/WR/TE players...so if you could point to one or two attributes that seem to have the most significant effect what would it be?

Run Blocking OL?
Pass Blocking OL?
Run Stopping DL?
Pass Rushing OL?
etc....for all the positions.

....can you offer up what are the most important 2/3 things to look for?

Pielet · 10-01-2011, 03:33 PM

Good discussion Gruden! Important offensive attributes from what I've seen and read about.....

QB
Throwing Power, Accuracy
Awareness
Depending on your style you may want good Acceleration, Agility, Carrying, Ball Carrier Vision for a mobile QB. Personally I'll adapt my style to what QB I can attract to my school.

HB
40 time, Squat, Acceleration, Break Tackle, and Carrying
I never seem to be able to attract elite HBs to my schools. I generally appreciate good balanced tailbacks who can catch the ball.

FB
Run Block Strength, Run Block Footwork
The under appreciated fullback. I generally appreciate a FB who can catch in my pro style offense. Since they share attribute strengths with a TE, I'll typically recruit a TE and move them, but Awareness takes a hit when you move positions so consider that. Don't be fooled by *'s for a fullback. I've seen 2* FBs come in as mid 80 overalls.

TE
Run Block Strength, Catching.
Personally for me I like height. A good 6'7"+ TE is a great weapon.

WR
40, Acceleration, Agility, and Catching.
Again height is a nice attribute to have, especially this year with rocket catching back en vogue.

OL
Run/Pass Block Strength, Footwork
My understanding from others is the generic Run Blocking and Pass Blocking are "sim" only attributes. As far as Run or Pass specialties I will take what I can get.

From there I then utilize my custom playbook to set up formations that I can easily sub in specialties to. For example, I will generally run a lot out of Ace Big, so I will formation sub in my two best run blocking TEs, my best run blocking OL, my best run blocking WR, etc. In shotgun sets, I'll do the opposite and sub in my pass blocking OL. In terms of WRs I do the following on my depth chart:

My two outer WRs (#'s 1/2 on depth) I look for a good release, speed, and acceleration. Out of these two, the one with the highest Spectacular Catch I'll put at 1. My slot WR I'll put my best catcher (highest catching and catching in traffic).

Hope it makes sense Gruden!

Pielet · 10-01-2011, 03:52 PM

Philosophy on defensive recruiting......

DE
40, Bench, Squat, Acceleration, Block Shedding, Power Moves, and Finesse Moves
Pass Rushers will be smaller and quicker, versus the brute Run Stoppers. Formation sub in the appropriate fit for the scheme: Run Stoppers on base 4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5, 3-3-5, 4-4. Pass Rushers on Nickel, Dime, Quarters.

DT
Bench, Squat, Block Shedding, Power Moves, and Finesse Moves
Depending on my balance between DE and DTs, I would plug Pass Rushing DEs into DT slots via formation subs on some Nickel (3-3-5, Normal), Dime, and Quarters packages.

LB
40, Bench, Squat, Tackling, Play Recognition, Block Shedding
Again use formation subs to plug in for strength. Put run stoppers into the 4-4 package. In general if you blitz a lot more from the left, put the Pass Rusher into the LOLB slot and put the better Coverage LB into the ROLB slot. For the MLB in general I prefer Run stoppers as I'll formation sub typically a SS into the LB slots for Dime and Quarters packages. For a Dime 3-2-6, LOLB will formation sub a Pass Rusher as they're usually the designated blitzer.

Secondary
40, Agility, Tackling, Man Coverage, Zone Coverage, Press, Play Recognition
If man coverage ratings are similar (I pretty much run a man style defense), I'll put my best Pressers in the 1/2 depth chart slots. My best Man Coverage CB I'll formation to the slot on Dime and Quarters packages. For the safeties I'll look more to Zone Coverage ratings for my base Cover Two philosophy. If from the base 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 you run a lot of SS Dogs type plays, you might consider Pass Rushing LBs formation subs for the two SS.

Kicking
Kicking Power and Accuracy
Take what you can get.

Overall again height is an undervalued tool in defense. Especially on the line for pass swatting and in the secondary.

Any thoughts?

stewart#28 · 10-01-2011, 04:08 PM

wow, great stuff pielet, you went above and beyond, and I really appreciate the insight, thanks!

KingV2k3 · 10-01-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stewart#28


	wow, great stuff pielet, you went above and beyond, and I really appreciate the insight, thanks!

That is some really quality insight...

Here's a link to a few pages of threads on this topic you may get some info from as well:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...archid=4383802

Pielet · 10-01-2011, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingV2k3


	That is some really quality insight... Here's a link to a few pages of threads on this topic you may get some info from as well: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...archid=4383802

Linkey no workey

KingV2k3 · 10-02-2011, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pielet


	Linkey no workey

Darn thing worked when I put it up...

I searched Recruiting Tips and got pages of high post / read count threads...

Try this one:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ting-tips.html

That had the most reads / views / etc.

10-01-2011, 02:34 PM	#1
stewart#28 MVP OVR: 0 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ventura, California	Idiots guide book.... I was hoping to get some input for recruiting and general player roster analysis in it's most basic form, ala "Idiots Guide to Recruiting/Evaluations"....my thought on this is what is the one or two single most important things took look for when setting your depth chart or evaluation a potential recruit for your team... Easy Example QB Throw Power B and above Throw Accuracy B and above If your looking for a running QB B and above where it get's a little tricky for me is OL/DL/LB/HB/WR/TE players...so if you could point to one or two attributes that seem to have the most significant effect what would it be? Run Blocking OL? Pass Blocking OL? Run Stopping DL? Pass Rushing OL? etc....for all the positions. ....can you offer up what are the most important 2/3 things to look for? __________________ Coach Gruden 14' 12-4 13' 10-6 12' 12-4 Last edited by stewart#28; 10-01-2011 at 02:36 PM.

10-01-2011, 03:52 PM	#3
Pielet Pro OVR: 12 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 768	Re: Idiots guide book.... Philosophy on defensive recruiting...... DE 40, Bench, Squat, Acceleration, Block Shedding, Power Moves, and Finesse Moves Pass Rushers will be smaller and quicker, versus the brute Run Stoppers. Formation sub in the appropriate fit for the scheme: Run Stoppers on base 4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5, 3-3-5, 4-4. Pass Rushers on Nickel, Dime, Quarters. DT Bench, Squat, Block Shedding, Power Moves, and Finesse Moves Depending on my balance between DE and DTs, I would plug Pass Rushing DEs into DT slots via formation subs on some Nickel (3-3-5, Normal), Dime, and Quarters packages. LB 40, Bench, Squat, Tackling, Play Recognition, Block Shedding Again use formation subs to plug in for strength. Put run stoppers into the 4-4 package. In general if you blitz a lot more from the left, put the Pass Rusher into the LOLB slot and put the better Coverage LB into the ROLB slot. For the MLB in general I prefer Run stoppers as I'll formation sub typically a SS into the LB slots for Dime and Quarters packages. For a Dime 3-2-6, LOLB will formation sub a Pass Rusher as they're usually the designated blitzer. Secondary 40, Agility, Tackling, Man Coverage, Zone Coverage, Press, Play Recognition If man coverage ratings are similar (I pretty much run a man style defense), I'll put my best Pressers in the 1/2 depth chart slots. My best Man Coverage CB I'll formation to the slot on Dime and Quarters packages. For the safeties I'll look more to Zone Coverage ratings for my base Cover Two philosophy. If from the base 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 you run a lot of SS Dogs type plays, you might consider Pass Rushing LBs formation subs for the two SS. Kicking Kicking Power and Accuracy Take what you can get. Overall again height is an undervalued tool in defense. Especially on the line for pass swatting and in the secondary. Any thoughts? wepr3 likes this. __________________ Thank you to all the men and women who serve in this great nations armed forces.

10-01-2011, 04:08 PM	#4
stewart#28 MVP OVR: 0 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ventura, California	Re: Idiots guide book.... wow, great stuff pielet, you went above and beyond, and I really appreciate the insight, thanks! __________________ Coach Gruden 14' 12-4 13' 10-6 12' 12-4

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10-01-2011, 03:33 PM	#2
Pielet Pro OVR: 12 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 768	Re: Idiots guide book.... Good discussion Gruden! Important offensive attributes from what I've seen and read about..... QB Throwing Power, Accuracy Awareness Depending on your style you may want good Acceleration, Agility, Carrying, Ball Carrier Vision for a mobile QB. Personally I'll adapt my style to what QB I can attract to my school. HB 40 time, Squat, Acceleration, Break Tackle, and Carrying I never seem to be able to attract elite HBs to my schools. I generally appreciate good balanced tailbacks who can catch the ball. FB Run Block Strength, Run Block Footwork The under appreciated fullback. I generally appreciate a FB who can catch in my pro style offense. Since they share attribute strengths with a TE, I'll typically recruit a TE and move them, but Awareness takes a hit when you move positions so consider that. Don't be fooled by 's for a fullback. I've seen 2 FBs come in as mid 80 overalls. TE Run Block Strength, Catching. Personally for me I like height. A good 6'7"+ TE is a great weapon. WR 40, Acceleration, Agility, and Catching. Again height is a nice attribute to have, especially this year with rocket catching back en vogue. OL Run/Pass Block Strength, Footwork My understanding from others is the generic Run Blocking and Pass Blocking are "sim" only attributes. As far as Run or Pass specialties I will take what I can get. From there I then utilize my custom playbook to set up formations that I can easily sub in specialties to. For example, I will generally run a lot out of Ace Big, so I will formation sub in my two best run blocking TEs, my best run blocking OL, my best run blocking WR, etc. In shotgun sets, I'll do the opposite and sub in my pass blocking OL. In terms of WRs I do the following on my depth chart: My two outer WRs (#'s 1/2 on depth) I look for a good release, speed, and acceleration. Out of these two, the one with the highest Spectacular Catch I'll put at 1. My slot WR I'll put my best catcher (highest catching and catching in traffic). Hope it makes sense Gruden! wepr3 likes this. __________________ Thank you to all the men and women who serve in this great nations armed forces. Last edited by Pielet; 10-01-2011 at 04:11 PM.

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