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  • bwoodring9
    Pro
    • May 2012
    • 683

    #2326
    Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by AC
    Why do they need Byrd? They have enough OF.

    And that isn't nearly enough imo.
    Totte though Byrd would be a good 4th OF option for them as they traded Ethier a while ago. And do you mean not enough of a return for me? And I'm not really sure how to add onto the deal and keep it realistic. I could add another pitcher, but I didn't think they'd give up Urias and Pederson, so I went with Pederson and Lee, plus a solid bullpen option. What else do you think I could add and keep it realistic?

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    • WaitTilNextYear
      Go Cubs Go
      • Mar 2013
      • 16830

      #2327
      Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by rjackson
      Want to gauge this for realism. I want to go ahead and explore trading Sale to try and speed up the rebuild of th ChiSox. I haven't started spring training yet. I looked at who the interest came from for Price and Sale over the off season. KC is obviously going for win now and tried for Price. LAD had some discussion but would not part with Seager for him. I don't want any doubt before I pull the trigger.

      Thoughts on Sale for something like Zimmer, Duffy, Mondesi, Bonafacio?

      Sale for Joc Pedersen, Urias, Seager, ZLee?

      Sale to Texas for NRamirez, Sardinas, Alfaro, or something?
      I like the KC trade. Seems like a good amount of quality and quantity for you.
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      • bwoodring9
        Pro
        • May 2012
        • 683

        #2328
        Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by rjackson
        Just my first glance at this and assuming PHi is selling and LAD are buying, considering Lee's contract, I think Pedersen is all you get if even that.
        Ok, so just Lee for Pederson then?

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        • WaitTilNextYear
          Go Cubs Go
          • Mar 2013
          • 16830

          #2329
          Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by bwoodring9
          Totte though Byrd would be a good 4th OF option for them as they traded Ethier a while ago. And do you mean not enough of a return for me? And I'm not really sure how to add onto the deal and keep it realistic. I could add another pitcher, but I didn't think they'd give up Urias and Pederson, so I went with Pederson and Lee, plus a solid bullpen option. What else do you think I could add and keep it realistic?
          Why not just remove Byrd and keep the rest the same? No need to add anything else.
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          • WaitTilNextYear
            Go Cubs Go
            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #2330
            Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by rjackson
            I believe you hence the Latos comp. TOR would not go Sanchez for Price but would for Sale. I was wondering if you thought the others would though.
            Originally posted by bwoodring9
            Ok, so just Lee for Pederson then?
            I think just Pederson alone is too pessimistic. Remember that the Dodgers use Monopoly money so a few tens of millions of dollars won't really stop them.

            I liked your original proposal minus the addition Marlon Byrd, who would add to an already overcrowded and old OF.
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            • bwoodring9
              Pro
              • May 2012
              • 683

              #2331
              Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
              I think just Pederson alone is too pessimistic. Remember that the Dodgers use Monopoly money so a few tens of millions of dollars won't really stop them.

              I liked your original proposal minus the addition Marlon Byrd, who would add to an already overcrowded and old OF.

              Ok so Lee to LAD for Pederson, Zach Lee, and Dominguez? Is that asking for too many of their top prospects?

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              • AC
                Win the East
                • Sep 2010
                • 14951

                #2332
                Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by rjackson
                I believe you hence the Latos comp. TOR would not go Sanchez for Price but would for Sale. I was wondering if you thought the others would though.
                Dude, Toronto nearly traded EE for Price, but they wouldn't deal Sanchez for Price?

                Trust me, they would lol
                "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                • WaitTilNextYear
                  Go Cubs Go
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 16830

                  #2333
                  Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by bwoodring9
                  Ok so Lee to LAD for Pederson, Zach Lee, and Dominguez? Is that asking for too many of their top prospects?
                  I don't think so. Remember the Dodgers were too stubborn to trade any of those guys for Dempster or Garza when the Cubs were in those agonizing talks a couple of years back, but Cliff Lee is different.

                  The Dodgers are in hyper aggressive win-at-all-costs mode so I don't really see an issue. Add Lee to a rotation with Kershaw an Co. and they'd have that playoff rotation ready to go.

                  Cliff Lee's contract (IRL anyway) is $25 MM this year, $25 MM next year, and a $27 MM vesting option in '16, which he's likely to achieve imo. So, if you deal in mid 2014, that's 2.5 years of Lee for $60-65 MM. Add an additional $20-25 MM to an already $240 MM payroll--I don't see why they wouldn't because they're already into the tax anyway.

                  Cliff Lee is also a guy, who although he's 35, he could probably pitch at a high level for another 4-5 years just because his delivery is so tricky and his command is ridiculous. Lee has walked 9 batters in 68 IP so far this year and has a ridiculous 1.3 BB/9 since going to, of all places, Philly.

                  You really just have to look yourself in the mirror bwoodring, and ask yourself if you want to deal Cliff Lee today, lol.
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                  • bwoodring9
                    Pro
                    • May 2012
                    • 683

                    #2334
                    Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                    I don't think so. Remember the Dodgers were too stubborn to trade any of those guys for Dempster or Garza when the Cubs were in those agonizing talks a couple of years back, but Cliff Lee is different.

                    The Dodgers are in hyper aggressive win-at-all-costs mode so I don't really see an issue. Add Lee to a rotation with Kershaw an Co. and they'd have that playoff rotation ready to go.

                    Cliff Lee's contract (IRL anyway) is $25 MM this year, $25 MM next year, and a $27 MM vesting option in '16, which he's likely to achieve imo. So, if you deal in mid 2014, that's 2.5 years of Lee for $60-65 MM. Add an additional $20-25 MM to an already $240 MM payroll--I don't see why they wouldn't because they're already into the tax anyway.

                    Cliff Lee is also a guy, who although he's 35, he could probably pitch at a high level for another 4-5 years just because his delivery is so tricky and his command is ridiculous. Lee has walked 9 batters in 68 IP so far this year and has a ridiculous 1.3 BB/9 since going to, of all places, Philly.

                    You really just have to look yourself in the mirror bwoodring, and ask yourself if you want to deal Cliff Lee today, lol.
                    I definitely want to deal him haha! We're not even done May and we're 11 games under .500! I think Pederson will be a great addition, and Dominguez could be a nice middle reliever in the future. Thanks to you and everyone else who helped me figure this trade out! I'll probably wait until closer to the deadline to deal him though, if that sounds reasonable.

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                    • rjackson
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 1661

                      #2335
                      Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by AC
                      Dude, Toronto nearly traded EE for Price, but they wouldn't deal Sanchez for Price?

                      Trust me, they would lol
                      I believe you, you'd know better as a TOR fan. I am just going with what I read earlier trying to research comps. It ambiguously stated Sanchez and Stroman so it could have meant both - it was stated by hearsay

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                      • AC
                        Win the East
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 14951

                        #2336
                        Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by rjackson
                        I believe you, you'd know better as a TOR fan. I am just going with what I read earlier trying to research comps. It ambiguously stated Sanchez and Stroman so it could have meant both - it was stated by hearsay
                        If I'm reading this right...

                        I did say both. The Blue Jays would deal both Stroman and Sanchez, among others, for Chris Sale. And that's not even the best the Sox could do.
                        "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                        • rjackson
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 1661

                          #2337
                          Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by bwoodring9
                          Ok so Lee to LAD for Pederson, Zach Lee, and Dominguez? Is that asking for too many of their top prospects?
                          I think so but I am the dissenting opinion. Lee's value is dimished and contrary to popular belief, they don't want to trade prospects and run rich for too long. But, they may think otherwise with a chance at Lee even if his salary reduces his value to one B, the market could look different with Lee out there.

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                          • AC
                            Win the East
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 14951

                            #2338
                            Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Cliff Lee worth one B? Holy no. You guys realize he's /worth/ his salary, right? 4.0 fWAR/180. That's an ace. Aces get paid 20+ million. He's older, but his statistical profile is one that ages well. As long as he's not injured like IRL, I have no concerns. I don't think that's even enough, personally.
                            "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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                            • rjackson
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 1661

                              #2339
                              Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by AC
                              If I'm reading this right...

                              I did say both. The Blue Jays would deal both Stroman and Sanchez, among others, for Chris Sale. And that's not even the best the Sox could do.
                              No, I meant what I read in Price rumors was they wouldn't do both because of his rising salary and lessening years of control.

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                              • AC
                                Win the East
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 14951

                                #2340
                                Re: MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by rjackson
                                No, I meant what I read in Price rumors was they wouldn't do both because of his rising salary and lessening years of control.
                                The Jays would kill for David Price. They'd be morons for doing so, as he isn't that great, but eh.
                                "Twelve at-bats is a pretty decent sample size." - Eric Byrnes

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