MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[hampshirestags]

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Shelby definitely isn't untradable like he used to be, but the upside is still there if he figures things out. Yadi is great at calling games, but I know Cruz has started several games this year with Shelby starting, including his complete game shutout vs. the Jays, I believe.

In terms of value by the organization, I'd say it's definitely possible that he's part of a trade to get Price or another big name this year. I don't think we'd trade him just to get rid of him, though, as his market value is likely low, but yet we've seen what the upside can be should he find form again. In sum, if you're looking to trade a big name player he could be part of the trade, but just trying to acquire him for prospects or something of that nature would likely require an overpay of current market value.

He hasn't lost his stuff, just his location. I didn't realize Cruz caught his shutout, good info. Obviously I think highly of him, I was just hoping his value would come down as a reaction to the demotion and the Cards rumored to want to upgrade the rotation. He'll be back in the second half, I'm sure.

[AC]

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I was at Shelby's CG against the Jays or however long he pitched for. He may be broken but the talent is in there somewhere. He can be fixed.

[CBoller1331]

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As broken as people say the logic is, I seem to have no problem putting together trades that work and are fair, including some mentioned here (like the Salty for Montero you gave me - that's pretty much straight up even according to the spreadsheet and the CPU took it without any working around or other pieces).

It needs work and fleshing out, but I don't use 30-team control and can still do just fine in making trades while letting the CPU "negotiate" who it does and does not want.

I agree. The trades are fair just not realistic. I've been having trouble trying to complete the Shark deal w/ the CPU, but I'm hoping that as the deadline nears, the A's will go into "playoff push" mode and will be willing to part with Addison a Russell.

An example of broken logic though:
Nats offered Fister and Clippard for Baez ....and Bryant ....and Almora ...in mid April . Can't get much worse than that

[kmoser]

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I agree. The trades are fair just not realistic. I've been having trouble trying to complete the Shark deal w/ the CPU, but I'm hoping that as the deadline nears, the A's will go into "playoff push" mode and will be willing to part with Addison a Russell.



An example of broken logic though:

Nats offered Fister and Clippard for Baez ....and Bryant ....and Almora ...in mid April . Can't get much worse than that

Just lower Russell's potential to 50 or something


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[CBoller1331]

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Just lower Russell's potential to 50 or something


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That's a good idea that is kind of cheating...but not really.... Thanks

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Guys, just play with force trades on...problem solved. No need to get your deals validated with a "broken trade logic approves this message" stamp. If you are not planning on exploiting it and you check your deals here anyway, there is no downside to force trades.

[kmoser]

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Guys, just play with force trades on...problem solved. No need to get your deals validated with a "broken trade logic approves this message" stamp. If you are not planning on exploiting it and you check your deals here anyway, there is no downside to force trades.

To me there is no need to play with it on. The CPU is usually OK when you are trying to trade with them, it's just the CPU trading with other CPU teams.
If I offer a trade that I think the CPU should accept but they don't, then I really believe they want more and think the player is more valuable than what I am offering.


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[WaitTilNextYear]

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To me there's no need to play with it off.

[AC]

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Deeeeffffinitely play with it on. 100%

Sure, the encoded logic may think it wants more than 3 A prospects for a setup guy, but the encoded logic is also extremely poor.

[kmoser]

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To me there's no need to play with it off.

Deeeeffffinitely play with it on. 100%

Sure, the encoded logic may think it wants more than 3 A prospects for a setup guy, but the encoded logic is also extremely poor.

I like how the CPU sometimes doesn't want to give up a certain guy so you have to add something extra. Gives it sort of a challenge and I kinda feel like it's more realistic. I don't try stupid trades so don't worry about me talking about that.
I'm not taking anything away from how you guys play, I just like the little challenge every once in a while.


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[KBLover]

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I like how the CPU sometimes doesn't want to give up a certain guy so you have to add something extra. Gives it sort of a challenge and I kinda feel like it's more realistic. I don't try stupid trades so don't worry about me talking about that.
I'm not taking anything away from how you guys play, I just like the little challenge every once in a while.

Same here. I don't like the idea of forcing teams to take deals I come up with (no matter how "fair") doesn't sound any more realistic.

That's why I don't even do any of the editing potentials down or whatever "to make them take it". If the other team doesn't want the deal, so be it.

[KBLover]

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Not to beat this up but... I will anyway. KBLover is correct that the logic needs some work but keep in mind, the code was written for SCEA rosters, not OS. The CPU doesn't know names, it knows data. Why is Baez offered as trade bait? Because CHC has too many prospects and not enough players. The CPU is filling holes and making playoff push teams overpay because that is what is was told to do. The moment a custom roster is loaded, the results are invalid.

That's why I don't get agitated over it.

The trades the CPU makes - most of them are no worse than what I've seen two human GMs make in a sim baseball league.

The universes that are our franchises aren't the same as the real MLB. Otherwise, I should be up in arms that the Mets are the best team in the NL. Not exactly how it's working for them in reality.

[AC]

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I don't care if Javier Baez is traded for Tyler Clippard, I care that an A prospect is traded for a reliever. The CPU needs to be more analytical of alternatives. Rather than just saying "we have A prospects and no relievers so we should trade A prospects for relievers" the CPU should consider the value going out and the value going in. The game needs a value scale encoded. Other games have seemingly done this. NHL (bar value), NBA (star value), even 2k got this I think.

[KBLover]

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I don't care if Javier Baez is traded for Tyler Clippard, I care that an A prospect is traded for a reliever. The CPU needs to be more analytical of alternatives. Rather than just saying "we have A prospects and no relievers so we should trade A prospects for relievers" the CPU should consider the value going out and the value going in. The game needs a value scale encoded. Other games have seemingly done this. NHL (bar value), NBA (star value), even 2k got this I think.

It needs work, but even a game as polished like OOTP has warts in the trade department.

The deals it offers can be WTF inducing. Sounds familiar to me. I mean, it will offer me RF...and I have Stanton. Why in the world would I want a RF when the weakness of the team is infield? I mean, if you don't have infielders - we're not a trade match here.

The other teams don't consider their weaknesses as much as they should - or even mine to try to make the offer enticing. The valuing isn't exactly super great (often undervaluing prospects). I haven't seen a baseball game that really nails this part of it. Always seems to be too easy or too hard, and there's always some sort of "way" to get the AI to capitulate.

And this is from the game many consider the best around for baseball management.

[AC]

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And this is from the game many consider the best around for baseball management.

I'm not asking for perfection; such would be unreasonable. I'd just like a balance of need and value. So maybe the CPU gives a little too much, but at least it was at the right position. Or maybe the CPU's already got a starter in RF, but it's useful depth at an appropriate value. I don't want all perfect trades. Computerized perfection like that is.. not what I want to keep this short and sweet, lol. I like the imperfection of trades and the irrational market. I just don't like it at the extreme that it's at now.

NHL 14 pretty much has trade logic down. Can't get away with much. Sure, you can send 7 first round picks for Drew Doughty, but is that really a good idea? Just the realism needs to be worked on and trading frequency but you can't really ask for much more than what EA's got going there.

If you're using 30 team control, you don't need force trades on. Just scroll to whatever team you're trading with and accept it from their end.

It saves you the 20 seconds that takes.