MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

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there you go AC...thanx jess!

[Friar Fanatic]

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What would it take fro the Padres to get Moreland?

[Rosie23]

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If i had to narrow it down to say 3/4 i would say Santana, Bourn and Masterson? Not entirley sure if i will trade Swisher yet.

i would like to get some power hitters, and some speed. and a #1 type pitcher. plus looking to move the prospects since the Indians dont have too many open spots on the big league roster going forward.

Any help..?

[Friar Fanatic]

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Any help..?

Santana could fit very very well with the Dodgers. They need both a 3B and a C both of which Santana fills.

The D-Backs, Mariners and Red Sox could all use Bourn and any team, rebuilding or going for the WS could use Masterson

[Rosie23]

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Does something around:

Santana to LA for Zach Lee work? he could look real good between Bauer and Salazar. would i be able to get 2 of Seager, Joc Pederson and Lee?

Could DJ Peterson from Seattle come back for Bourn?

Fried and Renfoe from SD for Masterson?

one of Owens, Barnes, Swihart for Bourn?

Ideally i would like to add a 3B, CF or RF, and a #1 or #2 potential pitcher. maybe a C and 1B if i got extra pieces.

[Friar Fanatic]

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Does something around:

Santana to LA for Zach Lee work? he could look real good between Bauer and Salazar. would i be able to get 2 of Seager, Joc Pederson and Lee?

Could DJ Peterson from Seattle come back for Bourn?

Fried and Renfoe from SD for Masterson?

one of Owens, Barnes, Swihart for Bourn?

Ideally i would like to add a 3B, CF or RF, and a #1 or #2 potential pitcher. maybe a C and 1B if i got extra pieces.

Seager and Peterson no. Those are their top 2 prospects.

Maybe Zach Lee and Chris Anderson? That seems to work.

No on the Bourn trade. DJ Peterson is their #2 prospect.

SD isn't allowed to trade Renfroe because they just drafted him last year and they won't give up Fried and Renfroe for Masterson.

Masterson to SD for maybe Eflin/Hahn/Ross/Kelly and Rymer Liriano.

No on Owens, yes on Swihart, no on Barnes.

[Rosie23]

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Seager and Peterson no. Those are their top 2 prospects.

Maybe Zach Lee and Chris Anderson? That seems to work.

No on the Bourn trade. DJ Peterson is their #2 prospect.

SD isn't allowed to trade Renfroe because they just drafted him last year and they won't give up Fried and Renfroe for Masterson.

Masterson to SD for maybe Eflin/Hahn/Ross/Kelly and Rymer Liriano.

No on Owens, yes on Swihart, no on Barnes.

they might be LAs top prospects but Santana is a high OBP 20 HR 30 2B 70 RBI guy, under contract until 2017 for about 4 Mil a year. his RBIs and HRs would have been second on LA, and thats playin with alot less offensive power around him.

and SD could trade Renfoe he would just be a PTBNL for a few months, and i dont see why they wouldn't give that up for Masterson. they need pitching help he would probably be their #1, i think its reasonable for the indians to get 2 specs and only 1 in the top 100, but theres no way SD would get Masterson for just a deal with one of elfin/hahn/ross/kelly and Liriano.

i think your putting too much emphisis on unproven prospects.

Santanas value is about where Choo is when the Indians traded choo, they got Trevor Bauer, Shaw, Stubbs and Matt Albers for him. Bauer was the #3 prospect in all of baseball in the mid-season rankings according to John Sickles in 2012

[Friar Fanatic]

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they might be LAs top prospects but Santana is a high OBP 20 HR 30 2B 70 RBI guy, under contract until 2017 for about 4 Mil a year. his RBIs and HRs would have been second on LA, and thats playin with alot less offensive power around him.

Not for $4 million per year. It is $6 million, $8.25 million and $12 million.

His stats look good compared to LA because both Kemp and Hanley missed half of last year and Puig came up late. They won't give up their top 2 prospects for Santana. All of which hit better for average and steal more bases as well.

and SD could trade Renfoe he would just be a PTBNL for a few months, and i dont see why they wouldn't give that up for Masterson. they need pitching help he would probably be their #1, i think its reasonable for the indians to get 2 specs and only 1 in the top 100, but theres no way SD would get Masterson for just a deal with one of elfin/hahn/ross/kelly and Liriano.

i think your putting too much emphisis on unproven prospects.

Renfroe hasn't even played a full year in the minors yet. They aren't gonna just trade him away. They wanna know what he has first. He was their first round pick. Teams don't trade away first round picks the year after they are drafted. It just doesn't happen. Fried is definitely not going anywhere. Him and Wisler are projected to be their 1-2 starters of the future (maybe 2-3 if Cashner blows up) and better than Masterson. Masterson could help their pitching RIGHT NOW sure. But that doesn't help them. They wont be contending for 4-5 years with the pace their team is at now. They need young future players. That being said they would like Masterson but not for their top prospects.

If you feel the Indians wouldn't trade for anything less of Fried and Renfroe then you my friend have seen what it is like in real life. Neither team wants to give up much/wants a lot in return. If both teams disagree then the trade doesn't happen.

You gotta understand the context. Masterson to a team in contention will overpay. A team who is 4-5 years away from contending will underpay.

[Coper3000]

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they might be LAs top prospects but Santana is a high OBP 20 HR 30 2B 70 RBI guy, under contract until 2017 for about 4 Mil a year. his RBIs and HRs would have been second on LA, and thats playin with alot less offensive power around him.

and SD could trade Renfoe he would just be a PTBNL for a few months, and i dont see why they wouldn't give that up for Masterson. they need pitching help he would probably be their #1, i think its reasonable for the indians to get 2 specs and only 1 in the top 100, but theres no way SD would get Masterson for just a deal with one of elfin/hahn/ross/kelly and Liriano.

i think your putting too much emphisis on unproven prospects.

Santanas value is about where Choo is when the Indians traded choo, they got Trevor Bauer, Shaw, Stubbs and Matt Albers for him. Bauer was the #3 prospect in all of baseball in the mid-season rankings according to John Sickles in 2012

I don't see, from a business or trade standpoint, why the Padres would give up their best prospect- in Fried, and Renfroe - whom, as already stated, they just drafted, for a half year of Masterson. He would be their #2 as well, behind Cashner. I could see a trade centered around Wisler, Eflin, or Joe Ross for Masterson. Or, a combination of two.

I like Masterson, but Fried and Renfroe would be almost have to be dealt for a P with a team friendly contract. Otherwise, the Pads have a possibility of shooting themselves in the foot.

Edit - Good words Friar Fanatic!

[Friar Fanatic]

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I don't see, from a business or trade standpoint, why the Padres would give up their best prospect- in Fried, and Renfroe - whom, as already stated, they just drafted, for a half year of Masterson. He would be their #2 as well, behind Cashner. I could see a trade centered around Wisler, Eflin, or Joe Ross for Masterson. Or, a combination of two.

I like Masterson, but Fried and Renfroe would be almost have to be dealt for a P with a team friendly contract. Otherwise, the Pads have a possibility of shooting themselves in the foot.

Wisler is in the same class as Fried. So it's the same deal with him.

Eflin/Ross/Kelly/Erlin are your best bets for Padres pitchers. Luebke too if you would even want him. And as Cooper said, Masterson would only be the number 2 in SD. Cashner is already better and younger.

[Rosie23]

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yes an average of 4 mil per year. his contract was only 5/21, which is a steal for a guy like santana, and thats not why his stats look good, his stats look good because he is that good. Injuries are a part of baseball, and did you just talk about stealing bases for a catcher?

you can make the excuses about injuries for Kemp, but Santana has 3 70+ RBI seasons to Kemps 4, while Kemp has 4 more years on Santana, and thats with Kemp having alot more firepower around him

Ramirez has played 10 years and like Kemp, only has 1 more year of 70+ RBIs playing on more talented teams

Like i said, Sin Shoo Choo, who didnt have any more value when he was traded then Carlos Santana does now, went for a top 5 overall prospect in baseball, plus Bryan Shaw, Drew Stubbs and Matt Albers.

i think its very, very safe to say Santana could pull 1 top 50 prospect and only 1 other top 75 prospect in a 2 for 1 deal

Not for $4 million per year. It is $6 million, $8.25 million and $12 million.

His stats look good compared to LA because both Kemp and Hanley missed half of last year and Puig came up late. They won't give up their top 2 prospects for Santana. All of which hit better for average and steal more bases as well.



Renfroe hasn't even played a full year in the minors yet. They aren't gonna just trade him away. They wanna know what he has first. Fried is definitely not going anywhere. Him and Wisler are projected to be their 1-2 starters of the future (maybe 2-3 if Cashner blows up) and better than Masterson. Masterson could help their pitching RIGHT NOW sure. But that doesn't help them. They wont be contending for 4-5 years with the pace their team is at now. They need young future players. That being said they would like Masterson but not for their top prospects.

If you feel the Indians wouldn't trade for anything less of Fried and Renfroe then you my friend have seen what it is like in real life. Neither team wants to give up much/wants a lot in return. If both teams disagree then the trade doesn't happen.

You gotta understand the context. Masterson to a team in contention will overpay. A team who is 4-5 years away from contending will underpay.

[mgcst5]

MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Masterson probably will be a rental for a contender in which case he would definitely not fetch Fried and Renfroe isn't getting traded until they know what they have.

As far as Santana is concerned, there is no way he fetches the two top prospects in the LAD ORG. His below average defense at catcher and slightly above average offense for third greatly diminish his value. He might fetch Lee+ but i only say that because ive read a few reports that he is more of a mid rotation prospect

[Rosie23]

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I don't see, from a business or trade standpoint, why the Padres would give up their best prospect- in Fried, and Renfroe - whom, as already stated, they just drafted, for a half year of Masterson. He would be their #2 as well, behind Cashner. I could see a trade centered around Wisler, Eflin, or Joe Ross for Masterson. Or, a combination of two.

I like Masterson, but Fried and Renfroe would be almost have to be dealt for a P with a team friendly contract. Otherwise, the Pads have a possibility of shooting themselves in the foot.

Edit - Good words Friar Fanatic!

yeah cleveland doesn't even consider that deal

[Rosie23]

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Masterson probably will be a rental for a contender in which case he would definitely not fetch Fried and Renfroe isn't getting traded until they know what they have.

As far as Santana is concerned, there is no way he fetches the two top prospects in the LAD ORG. His below average defense at catcher and slightly above average offense for third greatly diminish his value. He might fetch Lee+ but i only say that because ive read a few reports that he is more of a mid rotation prospect

Your saying that Santana cant pull 1 top 50 guy and 1 top 75 guy? I call BS.
he would easilly fetch that, very very very easilly

[Coper3000]

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Wisler is in the same class as Fried. So it's the same deal with him.

Eflin/Ross/Kelly/Erlin are your best bets for Padres pitchers. Luebke too if you would even want him. And as Cooper said, Masterson would only be the number 2 in SD. Cashner is already better and younger.

I agree with Wisler, and I was reluctant to include his name. For the combination I meant Ross + Eflin. No way would I trade Wisler, I just meant in a Franchise if the Padres were playing so good, and they really liked Masterson, that the Indians would probably want Wisler or the combination above.

On the flip side, I'm not sure I would want Luebke, Kelly, or Erlin if I'm the Indians. It just seems like a bad trade for both sides, when as you mentioned, a team in a Win Now Mode would overpay for Masterson.