MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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Just gauging realism here.

Rays Get:
P Jamie Garcia (Performing/Healthy)
OF Oscar Tavares
One or two of Reyes/Jenkins/Kaminsky/Gonzales (All B pot. SPs)
3B Patrick Wisdom (B Pot.)

Cardinals get:
SP David Price
SS Tim Beckham (C Pot.)

Please dont be too harsh if you dont like the deal

Well this definitely is not an underpay. Imo.. I think the Rays have to add a 'B' prospect.

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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Would something around
Masterson and Bourn to Seattle work for Walker?
Masterson to the Cubs for Soler?
Bourn and Cabrera to Tampa for Cobb or Archer?
Masterson to the Red Sox for Allen Webster?
Masterson to Baltimore for Cruz or Markakis?
Bourn to Miami for Eovaldi?
Masterson to the Pirates for Marte?
Murphy to the Rockies for Brett Anderson?
Murphy to the Reds for Cigranni?
Bourn, Anderson (Prospect), Jose Ramirez (prospect), to Cubs for Samardzija?
Raburn for Bartolo Colon?



any of these work?

I can give you insight on the Cubs deals:

1) Masterson for Soler is very do-able for the Cubs. However, only if the Cubs are in contention somehow. If not, no way they are acquing a FA To be.

2) That Jeff Samardzija trade is not enough for him. I don't think the Indians have the upper level talent the Cubs need, but you'd have to start with Danny Salazar. Then Clint Fraizer. Then more (I'm not too familiar with the Indians' system), probably like 1-2 'B' pitching prospects. Yeah, the price gonna be STEEP and i'm not sure if you guys have the minor league system for it.

[AC]

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Would something around
Masterson and Bourn to Seattle work for Walker?
Masterson to the Cubs for Soler?
Bourn and Cabrera to Tampa for Cobb or Archer?
Masterson to the Red Sox for Allen Webster?
Masterson to Baltimore for Cruz or Markakis?
Bourn to Miami for Eovaldi?
Masterson to the Pirates for Marte?
Murphy to the Rockies for Brett Anderson?
Murphy to the Reds for Cigranni?
Bourn, Anderson (Prospect), Jose Ramirez (prospect), to Cubs for Samardzija?
Raburn for Bartolo Colon?



any of these work?

The only one of these that the other team would consider is the Red Sox-Masterson one, which you're losing big time imo. I don't really like any of these.

Just gauging realism here.

Rays Get:
P Jamie Garcia (Performing/Healthy)
OF Oscar Tavares
One or two of Reyes/Jenkins/Kaminsky/Gonzales (All B pot. SPs)
3B Patrick Wisdom (B Pot.)

Cardinals get:
SP David Price
SS Tim Beckham (C Pot.)

Please dont be too harsh if you dont like the deal

That seems fine, although Tampa could stand to add a bit more. Throw in Hanigan or Molina (preferably the former) and it'd be fine.

I can give you insight on the Cubs deals:

1) Masterson for Soler is very do-able for the Cubs. However, only if the Cubs are in contention somehow. If not, no way they are acquing a FA To be.

2) That Jeff Samardzija trade is not enough for him. I don't think the Indians have the upper level talent the Cubs need, but you'd have to start with Danny Salazar. Then Clint Fraizer. Then more (I'm not too familiar with the Indians' system), probably like 1-2 'B' pitching prospects. Yeah, the price gonna be STEEP and i'm not sure if you guys have the minor league system for it.

If RA Dickey (6 win pitcher ATT) goes for TDA + Synder and James Shields 4 win pitcher ATT)goes for Myers + Odorizzi then Jeff Samardzija (2.5 win pitcher ATT) most CERTAINLY does not go for Salazar + Frazier. There's a high asking price and then there's getting hung up by every GM in the league. That's just too much to ask for a guy who's 99th percentile projection is James Shields' likely projection, when Shields went for less than you're asking for.

[mmorg]

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Frazier is alot closer then 3-4 years, 3 is probably the max. the only thing stopping him from shooting thru the minors is getting a better strikeout/walk ratio.

It's clear from your proposed deals that you don't have a realistic view of player value. I have access to a number of scouting reports and even the most bullish scouts have Frazier playing in the majors at the end of 2017 at the earliest, and probably playing Left Field. He has 2 weeks of A ball under his belt, we don't really know what his k:bb ratio looks like. I think you need to go back to the drawing board.

[Totte]

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Just gauging realism here.

Rays Get:
P Jamie Garcia (Performing/Healthy)
OF Oscar Tavares
One or two of Reyes/Jenkins/Kaminsky/Gonzales (All B pot. SPs)
3B Patrick Wisdom (B Pot.)

Cardinals get:
SP David Price
SS Tim Beckham (C Pot.)

Please dont be too harsh if you dont like the deal

Realistically Taveras won't be moved but I suppose your asking for fair in this case?

Unfortunately Garcia carries no value but just asking for fair and if he's healthy and performing, he's like a high C. You'd be better off keeping Garcia and flip him in a separate deal IMO. Would you consider parting with Carlos Martinez? He and Taveras will do the trick alone in my book.

If not, I'd consider going Tim Cooney, Rob Kaminsky, Patrick Wisdom and Taveras for Price/Beckham. I'm intrigued by the southpaw Cooney and hopefully he can develop into a solid no 2. I believe the Rays would love to get an arm like his

[Kipnis22]

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I can give you insight on the Cubs deals:

1) Masterson for Soler is very do-able for the Cubs. However, only if the Cubs are in contention somehow. If not, no way they are acquing a FA To be.

2) That Jeff Samardzija trade is not enough for him. I don't think the Indians have the upper level talent the Cubs need, but you'd have to start with Danny Salazar. Then Clint Fraizer. Then more (I'm not too familiar with the Indians' system), probably like 1-2 'B' pitching prospects. Yeah, the price gonna be STEEP and i'm not sure if you guys have the minor league system for it.

yeah thats 100% wrong. Samardizja doesn't have anything close to that value. He's a career ERA over 4 and a career ERA over 4 as a SP. Masterson and Samardizja are very compareable players, but Masterson is more of an esablished starter, and they are near identical in WHIP, H/9, HR/9, BB/9, K/9 and BB/W ratio. the only thing Samardizja has a sizeable diffrence is in ERA and thats because he's been a RP most of his career.

So if you think thats Samardizjas value, then realistically i should get Kris Bryant and Jorge Soler to start.

[Kipnis22]

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It's clear from your proposed deals that you don't have a realistic view of player value. I have access to a number of scouting reports and even the most bullish scouts have Frazier playing in the majors at the end of 2017 at the earliest, and probably playing Left Field. He has 2 weeks of A ball under his belt, we don't really know what his k:bb ratio looks like. I think you need to go back to the drawing board.

HAHAHAHAHAHA look at this guy. First lets be realistic, you dont have access to anythhing second, So your saying Clint Frazier wont see the Majors until he's almost 24 and his minor league contract ends? might as well label him a bust now and write him off to accomplish anything then. Good Call Cheif, you wont find a single person on earth who agrees with you that knows anything about baseball.

[mmorg]

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HAHAHAHAHAHA look at this guy. First lets be realistic, you dont have access to anythhing second, So your saying Clint Frazier wont see the Majors until he's almost 24 and his minor league contract ends? might as well label him a bust now and write him off to accomplish anything then. Good Call Cheif, you wont find a single person on earth who agrees with you that knows anything about baseball.

19+3=22

Now we've established that you literally have no idea what you are talking about.

[Kipnis22]

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19+3=22

Now we've established that you literally have no idea what you are talking about.

you should learn how to read before you run your keystrokes next time chump. First of all you clearly said 3-4 years, second he turns 20 in a few months

whats 20+4 again? oh right, 24.

and im the one who's wrong, LOL! HAHAHAHA welcome to my first ignore dip

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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yeah thats 100% wrong. Samardizja doesn't have anything close to that value. He's a career ERA over 4 and a career ERA over 4 as a SP. Masterson and Samardizja are very compareable players, but Masterson is more of an esablished starter, and they are near identical in WHIP, H/9, HR/9, BB/9, K/9 and BB/W ratio. the only thing Samardizja has a sizeable diffrence is in ERA and thats because he's been a RP most of his career.

So if you think thats Samardizjas value, then realistically i should get Kris Bryant and Jorge Soler to start.

Yes that is too much for Samardzija. But, my point is Theo and Jed will be asking for A LOT. Sorry if that original deal sounds ridiculous, I went too far. Theo would probably ask for Salazar and a B prospects or so. No Frazier.

[Kipnis22]

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Yes that is too much for Samardzija. But, my point is Theo and Jed will be asking for A LOT. Sorry if that original deal sounds ridiculous, I went too far. Theo would probably ask for Salazar and a B prospects or so. No Frazier.

They could ask for the moon, doesn't mean they would get it. it would probably be Salazar for Samardizja straight up at best and even then Cleveland (and most MLB teams) probably say no. Salazar is probably a top 10-15 prospect if he would have still been eligable to be a prospect. Kid has been dominant the last 2 years in both majors and the minors. was a K per inning at both Majors and minors and under 2.50 ERA in the minors last year and a 3.10 ERA with a 1.1 WHIP in 10 starts in the majors as a rookie last year.

If it was just prospects the Cubs were looking for then its probably Cody Anderson (high-mid B) , Jose Ramirez (high-mid B), and Jesus Aguliar (high C)

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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They could ask for the moon, doesn't mean they would get it. it would probably be Salazar for Samardizja straight up at best and even then Cleveland (and most MLB teams) probably say no. Salazar is probably a top 10-15 prospect if he would have still been eligable to be a prospect. Kid has been dominant the last 2 years in both majors and the minors. was a K per inning at both Majors and minors and under 2.50 ERA in the minors last year and a 3.10 ERA with a 1.1 WHIP in 10 starts in the majors as a rookie last year.

If it was just prospects the Cubs were looking for then its probably Cody Anderson (high-mid B) , Jose Ramirez (high-mid B), and Jesus Aguliar (high C) and Tony Wolters (high C)

Very true re Salazar. Theo would still start there, and if Samardzija's dominating like he is in real life this year, it would be worth it for Cleveland

Not saying the Indians would cough up Salazar, but the Cubs would definitely ask

[Kipnis22]

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Very true re Salazar. Theo would still start there, and if Samardzija's dominating like he is in real life this year, it would be worth it for Cleveland

Not saying the Indians would cough up Salazar, but the Cubs would definitely ask

no it still wouldnt be worth it for Cleveland, even if he keeps pitching that well this year his value will go up, but being a FA after the year and not very established, plus will be 30 next year also while Salazar should only get better and has 4 more years before he's arb eligable/FA IIRC. but since im taking into acount before this season started, i think Anderson (23 yr with a career minor league ERA of 2.86 and WHIP of 1.2 before this year) Ramirez (21 year old Inf with a career .310 BA and .360 OBP in minors) and Aguliar (24 year old 1B/3B with .275 career BA and .345 OBP) would be a good return if you were just looking for prospects.


Cleveland would lose Masterson, Samardzija and Salazar all in a year, that would get everyone fired on the spot including Tito.

[Cubs1984Nostaglia]

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no it still wouldnt be worth it for Cleveland, even if he keeps pitching that well this year his value will go up, but being a FA after the year and not very established, plus will be 30 next year also while Salazar should only get better and has 4 more years before he's arb eligable/FA IIRC. but since im taking into acount before this season started, i think Anderson (23 yr with a career minor league ERA of 2.86 and WHIP of 1.2 before this year) Ramirez (21 year old Inf with a career .310 BA and .360 OBP in minors) and Aguliar (24 year old 1B/3B with .275 career BA and .345 OBP) would be a good return if you were just looking for prospects.


Cleveland would lose Masterson, Samardzija and Salazar all in a year, that would get everyone fired on the spot including Tito.

Welp, the Cubs would still ask for him, right or not.

That second package is solid.

[redsox4evur]

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HAHAHAHAHAHA look at this guy. First lets be realistic, you dont have access to anythhing second, So your saying Clint Frazier wont see the Majors until he's almost 24 and his minor league contract ends? might as well label him a bust now and write him off to accomplish anything then. Good Call Cheif, you wont find a single person on earth who agrees with you that knows anything about baseball.

If you read mlb.com top 20 prospects by team you will see Frazier is 2 in Indians system. If you read the ETA it is 2017. So he is not wrong about Frazier making it to the league at age 22.