MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[hampshirestags]

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Glasnow + another equal piece could probably land Cliff Lee. Lee's value is Mid A, High B, Low B which seems reasonable enough. So half of Lee = Glasnow. Half of Mid A + High B + Low B = high B? I'd say two High B's for a Mid A and a low B is fairish. So Glasnow = high B?

Which is where he is at now. I agree with the above trade value but, is Glasnow much less of a prospect than Owens and Fried (lefty so he will rate a tad higher) which are rated higher?

Consistency within a farm system and throughout the league is quite a trick, much easier to debate one-offs. Jeter cap tip to the fellas that put it together.

[AC]

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Maybe prospects values should be equal to their potential.

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[hampshirestags]

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Maybe prospects values should be equal to their potential.

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I've had 4 different thoughts to this and came to this conclusion, pitching prospects are baseball's version of the college bowl system. There will always be debate. Don't change the scale, continue to tweak.

We're debating over a kid that's just got to high A ball...He might hit the mascot tomorrow.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Maybe prospects values should be equal to their potential.

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I already do this for prospects not mentioned on the spreadsheet.

However, for the mega-prospects mentioned in the spreadsheet, I think having 2 or 3 value levels on them (e.g. low A + mid B + mid B) is perfectly ok. It allows super prospects to match up better in 1 for 1 deals without always needing to include 3-5 of them to acquire any solid veteran MLB player.

Personally, I have Glasnow at a low A. I think low A is fair for a guy who's skyrocketed up prospect lists, but has some projection left to take care of. Plus, the Pirates are in no rush to trade him and some sort of A POT would reflect that better than a B, which is more for mid-level guys.

[k_mac]

MLB 14 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

It's hard to gauge a prospect's trade value. Since prospect swaps don't happen that often, I think it would be alright just having their potential as their value. There are obvious exceptions, but it should be a nice catch-all. Prospects are generally very overvalued.

The way I use the spreadsheet is by getting a major league piece's value, and matching each piece from there. So let's say that player one is worth an A potential player. I give that team an A potential prospect without looking at the prospect's value. The only time match values up is when I'm sending a big leaguer in return for another. (That doesn't happen extremely often either)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Starlin Castro is worth a couple B's on the spreadsheet right? There's no way that I think Glasnow is worth more than a 3x all star shortstop.

Edit: I think the best way would probably be assigning values other than their potential to guys considered a lock in the top 100 prospects in baseball.

[Totte]

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In order to keep the spreadsheet as simple to understand as possible, I think all players, prospects or vets, should be judged and valued from the same system under the same criteria.

Might not always be easy to put a value on them but we have some experience on the subject now having done the same thing last year. I think we'll be just fine.

No matter how we do it, there's always gonna be someone who disagrees with the established value. At least we've given everyone a frame of reference to begin with

[Deuce2223]

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Okay, so I know I have been in here alot lately but I am still trying to finish up moves at the Deadline for my M's Franchise.

If you want to see the moves I have made so far here is the link

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2046396251

Here are some moves I plan on making

Colorado SS T. Story to the Mets for D. Gee as per Totte suggestion.

Gee is 4-1 with a 2.41 ERA.

Kansas City is another team in huge need of rotation help

and I posted this earlier with someone suggestion M. Estrada (9-6 3.59)might be a good fit in KC but was wondering who to deal. Spreadsheet says Low B and Mid C.

I was also thinking about sending 2B A. Hill (.252 12 HR's) and SP B. Arroyo (9-6 3.85 ERA) to the Royals as well.

Infante is hitting .226 with 1 HR.

Again spreadsheet says High B Low B for Hill and High C and Mid C for Arroyo who it also says they wouldn't deal, but Arizona is 42-63 in my Franchise so at this point I would think if they could get back a decent young SP they would do it.

With Hill and Arroyo going together would should KC part with Ventura (7-12 with a 4.86 ERA in AAA) or should I go with a lesser SP's like J. Lamb and C. Dwyer who are actually pitching well in AAA. (Lamb is 11-3 with a 2.93 ERA).

Also thought maybe Bubba Starling would look good to the D-Backs as they could use a CF with Eaton gone.

As far as the Milwaukee deal maybe M. Almonte or C. Binford ?


Another team that needs help is Texas. They are fighting Boston for the AL WC and are 5.5 GB of my M's.

Biggest areas of need is 2B/SS (Andrus is hitting .249 6 HR, Profar is hitting .262 with 8 HR and D. Murphy is hitting .179 with 4 HR, well Sardinas is hitting .158 in 57 AB's).

They could also use another OF bat (L. Martin is hitting .240 with 7 HR's and 16 SB's, M. Choice is hitting .224 with 1 HR).

Thoughts were IF D. Solano (75/C) .287 7 HR 32 RBI from the Marlins

then moving Moreland to RF and Rios to CF, which would open up the DH spot.

For DH maybe

C. Carter (79/B) .254 17 HR 48 RBI
K. Morales (78/C) .310 5 HR 13 RBI in 84 AB’s
G. Dobbs (62/C) .269 12 HR 53 RBI

[CameRoN0407]

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In the upcoming deluxe version of the spreadsheet that I've been working on with added top 30 BA prospects for each organization, I have Glasnow as a mid A and a mid B. Does that sound right to you?

Low B for Keuchel?

2 High C's for Infante?

Hamilton is currently two Mid B's. What are you suggesting? Bumping one of those to a high B instead? Should he also be a Don't Even Bother?

I personally like that

Higher than that. Like a High B, Mid B.

That sounds right for a struggling Infante

Low A, High B, Mid B. He's not yet ready to be a Don't even bother (I personally reserve that for guys the look like future HoFers)

Glasnow + another equal piece could probably land Cliff Lee. Lee's value is Mid A, High B, Low B which seems reasonable enough. So half of Lee = Glasnow. Half of Mid A + High B + Low B = high B? I'd say two High B's for a Mid A and a low B is fairish. So Glasnow = high B?

But Glasnow's potential is a Low A if I'm not mistaken. He has risen tremendously on the prospect boards, and is a piece Pittsburgh wants to save for a big name. At least put him as unrealistic.

Maybe prospects values should be equal to their potential.

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I don't like that. Buxton should not be valued at just another High A. He is worth a lot more than that.

[hampshirestags]

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I would use Lamb and Starling for Estrada.

To get both ARZ guys you're going to have to give Ventura or Bonoficiao and I don't know how keen KC would be on that. I forget the handle but I know there is a KC fan around here.

There was some TEX stuff but it came up jumbled text/symbols on my tablet :-|

[Deuce2223]

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I would use Lamb and Starling for Estrada.

To get both ARZ guys you're going to have to give Ventura or Bonoficiao and I don't know how keen KC would be on that. I forget the handle but I know there is a KC fan around here.

There was some TEX stuff but it came up jumbled text/symbols on my tablet :-|

Thanks for the input.. I know there are some huge Bubba Starling fans in this forum but


The Texas stuff might have messed up because I originally submitted then went back and edited in Texas stuff because that is another deal I am working on..

[ESexton18]

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I find the spreadsheet very useful for at least basing trade ideas around. However it should be understood that the spreadsheet is not tailored for everyone's franchise. Players could over/under perform their values thus changing things. But it gives a good baseline for what to look for in any deals.

I think also it depends on what roster set you use. OSFM is different than others and can affect values. Prospects especially, can be B potential in the OSFM but in real life could be blowing up and worthy of an A which changes their spreadsheet value.

I think using the spreadsheet and then asking here for more clarification is a good way to keep things fair and realistic so thanks to everyone who participates regularly.

Now AC - with your blue jays knowledge would you consider a Hamels/Lee + Utley for Pompey Sanchez and Norris fair value?

[hampshirestags]

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Thanks for the input.. I know there are some huge Bubba Starling fans in this forum but


The Texas stuff might have messed up because I originally submitted then went back and edited in Texas stuff because that is another deal I am working on..

On the TEX stuff, Solano can be had for cheap and isn't a bad idea for depth. However, I'd gladly take .262 from Profar (sb?) and they play in a hitters park, make the $100mm SS hit his way back from the .240's

[ClarkWGrizwold]

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Which path to go for my Mets franchise? I'm currently 4 games under in June and looking to make a change for now and for the future. The Marlins and Cubs are out and in rebuild mode and the Rockies are in it and need help at SP and 2b and have a ton of OF. So I have 2 paths to choose from. All my proposals were accepted but I didn't save the roster as I'm not sure wich way to go.

Path 1.

Mets get Javier Baez for R Montero and another P prospect.
Mets get C Dickerson, Josh Rutledge, T Chatwood for Niese and Murphy.

Path 2

Mets get Giancarlo and no name low prospect for Niese, Murphy, Plawecki and Montero.

[BlueJays09]

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Okay I've settled on Murphy+Gee or Colon+Chris young from the mets to the jays. What would I have to give to get that package either with colon or gee? Also what would the package be to get headley+Kennedy from padres ?


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[Xcavs31x]

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So made a trade in my LAD chise. I moved zach lee to San Fran for Sandoval. The giants are almost 20 games out of first. Plus he wasn't playing great. I saw the trade suggested before and it appears to match the spreadsheet. Just wanted opinions