This game feels so scripted at times

[allstardad]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Why would anyone play a sports video game if you could go 162-0 in a baseball game or 82-0 in a basketball game?

Personally I wouldn't.

No one said it happens on the time, that is why people say at times it seems scripted.

Again if its scripted, then something inside the code has to trigger it to happen.

You can lose a game and know why you lost and those are not the games people are taking about. Those are not the games people complain about.

Its the games where you will be winning in the bottom of the 9th and you will have two errors in a row on easy ground balls with a gold glove IF, then the #9 hitter who has no power hits a home run to win the game on a waste pitch that was not even in the strike zone.

The devs have stated repeatedly that there is no such comeback code/rubber band AI/Scripting of the games.

if you believe its there then I would suggest start recording the end of your games where you think it may happen due to the situation and submit it to the devs for them to review.

Or else figure out what is triggering it to happen. Because otherwise there will be solution to the "problem".

[kchuskey]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Why would anyone play a sports video game if you could go 162-0 in a baseball game or 82-0 in a basketball game?

No one said it happens on the time, that is why people say at times it seems scripted.



You can lose a game and know why you lost and those are not the games people are taking about. Those are not the games people complain about.

Its the games where you will be winning in the bottom of the 9th and you will have two errors in a row on easy ground balls with a gold glove IF, then the #9 hitter who has no power hits a home run to win the game on a waste pitch that was not even in the strike zone.

So basically... Seeing the same things you may see in real life? Seems Legit.

[bcruise]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

if you believe its there then I would suggest start recording the end of your games where you think it may happen due to the situation and submit it to the devs for them to review.

Great idea. The system records the last 15 minutes of gameplay when you press the Share button - that's more than enough time to show the 8th or 9th inning (and if it runs longer, you can always record two videos by just keeping track of how long the first one runs).

The system has the capability, it's just up to people to use it.

[My993C2]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

NBA2K14 never got that memo.

I only started playing NBA2k14 a little while ago soon after buying my new PS4 console and I will admit for the first few days playing the game I suspected that NBA2k14 was scripted. But after playing more games, I don't think NBA2k14 is scripted. Sometimes it may appear that the games are the same, but Basketball is a repetitive sport so naturally the same thing might appear to be happening more than it should. But I have played enough games now in NBA2k14 to see that the games are different. Sometimes the results may appear to be the same, but that is just a coincidence.

Plus as I have said earlier in this thread. MLB 14 The Show is not scripted. Two nights ago I lost to the Kansas City Royals 3-0 mustering only 2 hits against their starter who went 9 dominant innings where my hitters could no little if anything. Then last night I lost again to the Royals, this time losing 6-5 in a 10 inning game where hitting was not my problem on this night. No I lost the game last night because in the bottom of the 10th my Right Fielder Michael Cuddyer tried to make a diving catch on a fly ball, but missed the ball and what should have been a single resulting in base runners on 1st and 2nd with two outs was instead an RBI triple ... game over. Definitely not scripted.

[bibibanax]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

This game is clearly scripted... The team who scores the most runs is always the winner...

[Padgoi]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Personally, I've always been a firm believer that there is some type of logic built into this game to make games closer, but because the developers stated there wasn't, the masses would have you believe that what they say is law. My questions are this:

- If the masses have stated many times that they DO NOT want rubber banding built in and it was, would ANY dev in their right mind admit to it, knowing this could cost them sales?

- If the masses have repeatedly stated they want a competitive and realistic game and the only way to accomplish this would be to build in rubber banding logic, then why wouldn't they?

Now with these points made, do I think there is actual rubber banding maliciously built into the code? No. What I do think is that the developers coded it in such a way that the CPU "buckles down" in the late innings in order to get back in the game so that if you make ANY mistake, they will burn you for it. And I think in order for the CPU to actually "buckle down," certain things have to happen (squeezed and inconsistent strike zones, seeing-eye singles, fighting off tough pitches, etc.) to replicate that action. So do I think it's rubber banding? No. Do I think it's "tougher" AI in later innings? Yes. That's why the devs say there is no rubber banding. It's not rubber banding per se, it's just a livened up AI coupled with inconsistent strike zones, relievers being worse than starters, confidence being poorly coded, and user error.

EDIT: It should be noted that I ONLY believe this type of logic is built in on the higher levels. I played AllStar level and it's a cake walk. I've never seen a HINT of it on AllStar or lower, but on HoF and higher, it manifests itself clearly in my opinion.

[jeremym480]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

The examples are always the same every year. Someone loses a game to the cpu due to the cpu making a comeback and they scream rubber band AI/Comeback Code/Scripted.

It NEVER starts when the human comes back against the cpu. Those are categorized as great accomplishments.

Exactly. It's pretty much the "I want to win every game" mentality.

In games people lose they're up in arms screaming "the game is scripted, comeback code is out in full force, yada, yada yada, I must make a thread to let everyone know of the conspiracy!!!!!". In games they come back they're like "ZOMG best come back eva! To the Franchise Progress thread I go! Everyone must be witness to this great feat!"

I only started playing NBA2k14 a little while ago soon after buying my new PS4 console and I will admit for the first few days playing the game I suspected that NBA2k14 was scripted. But after playing more games, I don't think NBA2k14 is scripted. Sometimes it may appear that the games are the same, but Basketball is a repetitive sport so naturally the same thing might appear to be happening more than it should. But I have played enough games now in NBA2k14 to see that the games are different. Sometimes the results may appear to be the same, but that is just a coincidence.

Plus as I have said earlier in this thread. MLB 14 The Show is not scripted. Two nights ago I lost to the Kansas City Royals 3-0 mustering only 2 hits against their starter who went 9 dominant innings where my hitters could no little if anything. Then last night I lost again to the Royals, this time losing 6-5 in a 10 inning game where hitting was not my problem on this night. No I lost the game last night because in the bottom of the 10th my Right Fielder Michael Cuddyer tried to make a diving catch on a fly ball, but missed the ball and what should have been a single resulting in base runners on 1st and 2nd with two outs was instead an RBI triple ... game over. Definitely not scripted.

Neither game is scripted. I know that this is off-topic, but in NBA 2k there are runs because basketball is a game of runs. Just ask the Thunder, Clippers and Nets fans about that because their teams have all blown pretty large leads in the last few minutes within the past week or so. In 2k you have to recognize it and find a way to stop it. If you don't then your opponent is going to keep piling on you. There are plenty of threads about it in the 2k forum, so I'll stop with the OT post now.

Back to The Show, I've only played about 10 games so far and I'm getting all kinds of different games/outcomes. I've been blown out by the CPU on Rookie and I've beaten them on All Star. Most of my games are close, but all of the CPU's comebacks against me have been entirely my fault - mostly due to switching back to manual fielding this year after using Auto the last few years. I have yet to see anything that remotely resembles comeback AI or the game being scripted. I'm not surprised we're seeing are yearly thread on it though.... I'm sure this won't be the last one.

[extremeskins04]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

This game is clearly scripted... The team who scores the most runs is always the winner...

Straw man argument.

Once again yes there are games that seem normal, but then there are games where you're up 7-1 in the 8th, you put a reliever in and boom, things happen. All of a sudden a reliever like Robertson (probably one of the best non-closer relievers) gets smoked.

Bases get loaded, then a mediocre hitter will hit a ball outside of the strike zone for a grand slam.

I've seen this kind of comeback AI happen quite a bit in this game.

I can understand if you put a horrible reliever in and you leave balls over the middle of the plate, but not outside of the strike zone and certainly not for HR's by mediocre hitters.

That's what people are talking about. It seems (not every game obviously) that the CPU has a magic way of getting back into ball games, and winning sometimes.

There are times when the count is 1-2 and no matter what pitch I throw it either gets fouled off or hit for a base hit. There were times where it was 3-2 where I was pitching with Chris Sale against some decent contact hitters (not great...maybe mid 70's contact). And no matter where I pitched, the ball was either a foul, a base hit, a HR or a walk. I...could..not..strike...him..out...for...anything .

One time I pitched to a guy and he fouled it 12 times before I finally said hell with it and just walked him on purpose. I got tired of it. He was DETERMINED to get a hit or walk.

[allstardad]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Straw man argument.

Once again yes there are games that seem normal, but then there are games where you're up 7-1 in the 8th, you put a reliever in and boom, things happen. All of a sudden a reliever like Robertson (probably one of the best non-closer relievers) gets smoked.

Bases get loaded, then a mediocre hitter will hit a ball outside of the strike zone for a grand slam.

I've seen this kind of comeback AI happen quite a bit in this game.

I can understand if you put a horrible reliever in and you leave balls over the middle of the plate, but not outside of the strike zone and certainly not for HR's by mediocre hitters.

That's what people are talking about. It seems (not every game obviously) that the CPU has a magic way of getting back into ball games, and winning sometimes.

As I said earlier, I would start recording the end of the games and submitting it to the devs for review. There has to be something that triggers it.

[jeremym480]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Personally, I've always been a firm believer that there is some type of logic built into this game to make games closer, but because the developers stated there wasn't, the masses would have you believe that what they say is law. My questions are this:

- If the masses have stated many times that they DO NOT want rubber banding built in and it was, would ANY dev in their right mind admit to it, knowing this could cost them sales?

- If the masses have repeatedly stated they want a competitive and realistic game and the only way to accomplish this would be to build in rubber banding logic, then why wouldn't they?

Now with these points made, do I think there is actual rubber banding maliciously built in to the code? No. What I do think is that the developers coded it in such a way that the CPU "buckles down" in the late innings in order to get back in the game so that if you make ANY mistake, they will burn you for it. And I think in order for the CPU to actually "buckle down," certain things have to happen (squeezed and inconsistent strike zones, seeing-eye singles, fighting off tough pitches, etc.) to replicate that action. So do I think it's rubber banding? No. Do I think it's "tougher" AI in later innings? Yes. That's why the devs say there is no rubber banding. It's not rubber banding per se, it's just a livened up AI coupled with inconsistent strike zones, relievers being worse than starters, confidence being poorly coded, and user error.

EDIT: It should be noted that I ONLY believe this type of logic is built in on the higher levels. I played AllStar level and it's a cake walk. I've never seen a HINT of it on AllStar or lower, but on HoF and higher, it manifests itself clearly in my opinion.

You bring up some interesting points and like you said I believe that most of the CPU late inning success can be attributed to tired starters, relievers being a step down from most 5th starters and user error.

However, that did get me to thinking.... Are there any websites that show the average score per inning? If so, it should be pretty easy to compare those to numbers from The Show.

[bcruise]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

One time I pitched to a guy and he fouled it 12 times before I finally said hell with it and just walked him on purpose. I got tired of it. He was DETERMINED to get a hit or walk.

Admittedly, this is the part about the higher difficulties that bothers me too - it happens because the hitter's PCI gets very large on HOF and Legend, and it happens all throughout the game and is not limited to late innings, although bad reliever ratings (HitsPer9) can magnify it even more. But I could ask you if you should have been able to throw 12 straight strikes for the batter to foul off? Would you have felt cheated just the same if you missed the zone with the 3rd or 4th pitch instead of the 12th? Do you just automatically feel you should win that battle just because you were able to throw that many strikes in a row?

I totally agree that those types of deadlocks happen more often than they should on the upper levels, but eventually one side or the other has to give. Either the pitcher misses, or the batter puts it in play/strikes out.

[roolz]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Im 6-18 in my Mets 'chise... thats right, a ropey 6-18 using Bulks sliders (thanks bud )

Anyway I look at my losses and what do I notice... and what dont I learn from... pitching a dead horse! I always go that one out to many with my starter and think yeah just work another and that will do me... bang, he gets tired, my pen isnt ready and im watching batters run around the diamond

So yeah I agree comebacks are there, but could I have prevented... hell yeah and did I deserve to get comeback on... of course because I mis-managed the ball game.

To me, Baseball games and the Show in particular cant have money plays or moments, as every at bat is its own set piece in a big picture... its not like Madden throwing the same pass to get your 10 yards, or NHL and cutting infront of the net with a spinarama to get your goals...

You can read my franchise here on the ShowNation boards if you like http://forums.theshownation.com/showthread.php?t=26652

[extremeskins04]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Personally, I've always been a firm believer that there is some type of logic built into this game to make games closer, but because the developers stated there wasn't, the masses would have you believe that what they say is law. My questions are this:

- If the masses have stated many times that they DO NOT want rubber banding built in and it was, would ANY dev in their right mind admit to it, knowing this could cost them sales?

- If the masses have repeatedly stated they want a competitive and realistic game and the only way to accomplish this would be to build in rubber banding logic, then why wouldn't they?

Now with these points made, do I think there is actual rubber banding maliciously built in to the code? No. What I do think is that the developers coded it in such a way that the CPU "buckles down" in the late innings in order to get back in the game so that if you make ANY mistake, they will burn you for it. And I think in order for the CPU to actually "buckle down," certain things have to happen (squeezed and inconsistent strike zones, seeing-eye singles, fighting off tough pitches, etc.) to replicate that action. So do I think it's rubber banding? No. Do I think it's "tougher" AI in later innings? Yes. That's why the devs say there is no rubber banding. It's not rubber banding per se, it's just a livened up AI coupled with inconsistent strike zones, relievers being worse than starters, confidence being poorly coded, and user error.

EDIT: It should be noted that I ONLY believe this type of logic is built in on the higher levels. I played AllStar level and it's a cake walk. I've never seen a HINT of it on AllStar or lower, but on HoF and higher, it manifests itself clearly in my opinion.

I play on All-Star with Classic Pitching and I've seen mediocre CPU hitters in the 8th inning foul off about 10-12 pitches before he belted one to the parking lot. Ball was pitched inside but out of the strike zone. (you know that area where it's supposed to jam hitters)....Nope ..he crushed it. It was against one of the better relievers (Robertson) and I don't remember the guy batting. He had low to mid 70's contact with 50's power.

I've actually tested this. I purposely drafted Craig Kimbrel and had him close a game that I was winning by 5 runs. He faced 4 hitters in the mid to late 70's that smoked him in the 9th inning.

Sorry but that's ridiculous.

[allstardad]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

I play on All-Star with Classic Pitching and I've seen mediocre CPU hitters in the 8th inning foul off about 10-12 pitches before he belted one to the parking lot. Ball was pitched inside but out of the strike zone. (you know that area where it's supposed to jam hitters)....Nope ..he crushed it. It was against one of the better relievers (Robertson) and I don't remember the guy batting. He had low to mid 70's contact with 50's power.

I've actually tested this. I purposely drafted Craig Kimbrel and had him close a game that I was winning by 5 runs. He faced 4 hitters in the mid to late 70's that smoked him in the 9th inning.

Sorry but that's ridiculous.

Do you throw the same sequence of pitches to batters?

[HustlinOwl]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Setup community challenges and let us have at it and see the different results you get. Whats even great you can setup the Pitchers energy and confidence to boot.