This game feels so scripted at times

[kehlis]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

So both Kemp and Napoli couldn't touch the 2 seamer, but Kottaras with 79 overall and a 65 power rating vs lefties hits a 410 ft big fly?

Sure I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt.






I think...

So here's the thing.

What you're describing isn't even "rubber banding" or whatever other phrase has been used.

I'm confident that the biggest proponents of AI comeback would agree that the scenario you described is nowhere near what they are talking about.


They talk about large leads shrinking suddenly. Not a one run lead going away after one pitch.



Again, the scenario you described was on you.

Not sure if you watch baseball or not but that happens all the time, sometimes the hero is not who you expect it to be, nothing new.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Alot of you guys are just over analyzing the game of baseball. The average score in a baseball game is 4-3 and the average run difference per game is around a run.

You add in the fact that relievers are hit or miss with their confidence, plus they are generally the lowest rated pitchers on their team and yeah you'll get blown games.

It happens. The best teams in baseball still lose 4/10 of their games.

[jvalverde88]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

So both Kemp and Napoli couldn't touch the 2 seamer, but Kottaras with 79 overall and a 65 power rating vs lefties hits a 410 ft big fly?

Sure I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt.






I think...

Bucky Dent

[GerryH3]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Exactly, what if that Rays 7-0 comeback on the last day of the season that qualified them for the playoffs (2 years ago) happened in this game. I could just see the player coming here calling for an CIA investigation into SCEA San Diego about that, just freaking out

I was at that game and that one was definitely scripted. Heck, the rays even arranged for the rain delay and late comeback in the Boston/Baltimore game just to make it even more scripted.

[underdog13]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

One thing you NEVER hear is someone who has played 80,100,162 games complaining about comeback code. It is always this one game.

And to the person several posts above 60+ power is pretty good in the show.

[Pared]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

I was at that game and that one was definitely scripted. Heck, the rays even arranged for the rain delay and late comeback in the Boston/Baltimore game just to make it even more scripted.

Well then it certainly wasn't scripted then. We all know there are no rain delays here.

[Skyboxer]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Bucky Dent

Aaron Boone..

Granted it was a knuckle ball but...

[jeremym480]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Aaron Boone..

Granted it was a knuckle ball but...

This thread has been a riot guys. Please keep the "comeback" stories coming.

[eF 5ive]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Is 25% energy a lot left? If you were up 1-0, why not bring in a 100% energy closer.

IMO you got greedy going for the shutout and now have to live with the consequences until the situation rises again.

But this is baseball. I run into these situations at least one time every series.

"Should I have used a pinch hitter?"

"Damn he's making solid contact but he's 0-3 tonight, do I walk him?"

"If I had put in my reliever instead of trying to get that extra inning in"

It's the life of an MLB the Show franchise manager, bro.

You win some, you lose some.

If you won, you probably would've started a thread bragging about your best pitched game. I don't get why some of you don't see the excitement even in a loss. You pitched a hell of a game and just couldn't close it out. It's not some insane CPU coding, it's just baseball.

Also, you can pitch a good game, but if the CPU is making contact , you have to be weary that eventually your luck of warning track balls is going to run out. Not saying this was happening, but plenty of times I pull a starter early because I know even tho the scoreboard is empty, my opponent is tracking the ball well.

[kchuskey]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

I bet Jeff Samardzija would LOVE this thread. I wonder if he thinks real life is scripted. He has started 8 games, has a 1.45 ERA, pitched over 50 innings, and he is wait for it........ 0-3.

Gotta love baseball.

[Aensland]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Anyone who actually watched baseball should know how likely the unexpected can happen. Things like how the final out seems to be the hardest one to get (ask Yu Darvish). Also, a power rating of 60+ is pretty decent; in past MLB games they've hit anywhere from 15-30 home runs.

[Skyboxer]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Can you imagine the threads if/when this happens in The Show. Great comeback if the user was controlling the Mets. Comeback AI if Boston.

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[Knight165]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Can you imagine the threads if this happened in The Show. Great comeback if the user was controlling the Mets. Comeback AI if Boston.

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[PsychoBulk]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Is 25% energy a lot left? If you were up 1-0, why not bring in a 100% energy closer.

IMO you got greedy going for the shutout and now have to live with the consequences until the situation rises again.

But this is baseball. I run into these situations at least one time every series.

"Should I have used a pinch hitter?"

"Damn he's making solid contact but he's 0-3 tonight, do I walk him?"

"If I had put in my reliever instead of trying to get that extra inning in"

It's the life of an MLB the Show franchise manager, bro.

You win some, you lose some.

If you won, you probably would've started a thread bragging about your best pitched game. I don't get why some of you don't see the excitement even in a loss. You pitched a hell of a game and just couldn't close it out. It's not some insane CPU coding, it's just baseball.

Also, you can pitch a good game, but if the CPU is making contact , you have to be weary that eventually your luck of warning track balls is going to run out. Not saying this was happening, but plenty of times I pull a starter early because I know even tho the scoreboard is empty, my opponent is tracking the ball well.

Excellent post.

Much common sense spoken here.

[Padgoi]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

The reason why this community can never have a serious topic about this issue is NOT because of the people complaining about it, it's because of the people defending it with little to no proof other than to say, "that's baseball" or a programmer walking in and saying, "pretty much." The fact is, if COUNTLESS people have complained about it over the years, it's not a farce, it's not just in our heads, we're not seeing phantoms and ghouls . . . something is going on that needs discussion. The proper way to respond to a topic like this is NOT to insult the OP (or the responders) or to say "LOL," it's to provide your own experiences in an attempt to debate the issue at hand in a constructive manner, something this community seems to have a hard time grasping, especially when it comes to this particular subject.

I believe @kehlis responded a few posts up in response to someone saying he gave up a 2-run homer in the 9th inning of a game he was pitching with Chris Sale, saying something about how that's not really comeback AI and I agree with him 100%. This is not AT ALL what we're debating. Giving up a 2-run jack in the 9th inning with Chris Sale at 25% energy (which is NOT plenty, it's actually QUITE low) to lose a game 2-1 is more on you because in that situation, you should've brought in your closer. And giving up a home run to someone with 65% power is also not uncommon because there are other people in MLB who hit homers besides the Miguel Cabrera's and the Mike Trout's. If anything, I attribute this loss to user mistake, i.e. leaving the starter in too long. You should be lucky you didn't get burned an inning earlier! It's replies like this that bring out the "LOL" responses because they're clearly a frustrated user grasping for straws. I don't know your pitching tendencies, but in situations like this, I almost NEVER throw fastballs because the CPU literally sits on them. Seems this one is more on you than anything.

My assertion is that there are too many times where I will be up multiple runs late in the game, bring in a reliever fully rested, mix locations, speeds and pitches, and still get burned because the CPU decided to foul 8 consecutive pitches off until they either got something they could handle or draw a walk. And it seems (and I'm not imagining this) that the strike zone gets tighter late in the games in order for this to happen. Is this realistic? I understand we have variable umpiring on, but even in real life where variable umpiring exists, umpires almost always (there are exceptions, please don't link to a random YouTube showing one such occurrence) try to maintain a semblance of a consistent zone and they hear about it if they don't! But in this game, it's literally an every-game occurrence where the strike zone changes depending on the situation.

I understand that comebacks happen in real life (thanks to the witty people who think one random occurrence proves a point), but not in the way they seem to happen in this game on the higher levels. Look, I don't even play on AllStar difficulty because I think it's too easy and the CPU doesn't play with enough urgency, so if someone is complaining about this on the lower difficulties, I can honestly say that you're doing something wrong because I am able to alleviate any of this by just pitching effectively. My qualm is with the higher levels and because the PCI is so large, the CPU is able to fight off pitch after pitch until they get something they can handle and that's not really baseball.

Look, do I think there is comeback logic built into the game? No. Do I think there is logic built in that makes something happen on the higher difficulty levels late in games where the CPU gets tougher? Yes. Do I think confidence is overdone to achieve this goal? Yes. Do I think relievers being underestimated is a tool to achieve this? Yes. Do I think the strike zone changes in certain situations to give the team down a greater advantage (user or CPU)? Yes. Do I think some magic code kicks in that absolutely, unequivocally is going to make the CPU get hits and score runs no matter what you do? No. I've said my piece.