This game feels so scripted at times

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Heroesandvillains
    MVP
    • May 2009
    • 5974

    #151
    Re: This game feels so scripted at times

    Originally posted by bcruise
    Of course, that didn't stop people from claiming the option was broken and always turned on regardless of the setting (I remember that ALL too well...). Probably why they got rid of the option the following year.
    Those were tough times on OS....

    Yikes! Remember all the "it's reversed!" threads? I think that's when Brian pulled out his hilarious "red shirt" analogy! LOL!

    Comment

    • cardinalbird5
      MVP
      • Jul 2006
      • 2814

      #152
      Re: This game feels so scripted at times

      Originally posted by P.A.D.
      The reason why this community can never have a serious topic about this issue is NOT because of the people complaining about it, it's because of the people defending it with little to no proof other than to say, "that's baseball" or a programmer walking in and saying, "pretty much." The fact is, if COUNTLESS people have complained about it over the years, it's not a farce, it's not just in our heads, we're not seeing phantoms and ghouls . . . something is going on that needs discussion. The proper way to respond to a topic like this is NOT to insult the OP (or the responders) or to say "LOL," it's to provide your own experiences in an attempt to debate the issue at hand in a constructive manner, something this community seems to have a hard time grasping, especially when it comes to this particular subject.

      I believe @kehlis responded a few posts up in response to someone saying he gave up a 2-run homer in the 9th inning of a game he was pitching with Chris Sale, saying something about how that's not really comeback AI and I agree with him 100%. This is not AT ALL what we're debating. Giving up a 2-run jack in the 9th inning with Chris Sale at 25% energy (which is NOT plenty, it's actually QUITE low) to lose a game 2-1 is more on you because in that situation, you should've brought in your closer. And giving up a home run to someone with 65% power is also not uncommon because there are other people in MLB who hit homers besides the Miguel Cabrera's and the Mike Trout's. If anything, I attribute this loss to user mistake, i.e. leaving the starter in too long. You should be lucky you didn't get burned an inning earlier! It's replies like this that bring out the "LOL" responses because they're clearly a frustrated user grasping for straws. I don't know your pitching tendencies, but in situations like this, I almost NEVER throw fastballs because the CPU literally sits on them. Seems this one is more on you than anything.

      My assertion is that there are too many times where I will be up multiple runs late in the game, bring in a reliever fully rested, mix locations, speeds and pitches, and still get burned because the CPU decided to foul 8 consecutive pitches off until they either got something they could handle or draw a walk. And it seems (and I'm not imagining this) that the strike zone gets tighter late in the games in order for this to happen. Is this realistic? I understand we have variable umpiring on, but even in real life where variable umpiring exists, umpires almost always (there are exceptions, please don't link to a random YouTube showing one such occurrence) try to maintain a semblance of a consistent zone and they hear about it if they don't! But in this game, it's literally an every-game occurrence where the strike zone changes depending on the situation.

      I understand that comebacks happen in real life (thanks to the witty people who think one random occurrence proves a point), but not in the way they seem to happen in this game on the higher levels. Look, I don't even play on AllStar difficulty because I think it's too easy and the CPU doesn't play with enough urgency, so if someone is complaining about this on the lower difficulties, I can honestly say that you're doing something wrong because I am able to alleviate any of this by just pitching effectively. My qualm is with the higher levels and because the PCI is so large, the CPU is able to fight off pitch after pitch until they get something they can handle and that's not really baseball.

      Look, do I think there is comeback logic built into the game? No. Do I think there is logic built in that makes something happen on the higher difficulty levels late in games where the CPU gets tougher? Yes. Do I think confidence is overdone to achieve this goal? Yes. Do I think relievers being underestimated is a tool to achieve this? Yes. Do I think the strike zone changes in certain situations to give the team down a greater advantage (user or CPU)? Yes. Do I think some magic code kicks in that absolutely, unequivocally is going to make the CPU get hits and score runs no matter what you do? No. I've said my piece.
      The same can be said for those on the other end. They offer no proof or statistical analysis. It is usually anecdotal evidence based on a few observations that seem to stick in their head because it gave them a loss and it makes them extremely biased and manipulative when trying support their "Comeback code" theory.

      If someone actually made sense when they made these threads then I'd love to have a solid argument. Until then...they won't get any serious responses. I've never had problems playing against the AI in any game ever. You know why? I generally play through multiple seasons and I'm not relying on a few games to support a theory.

      Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

      This applies to a lot of people that make these threads.
      Check out my livestreams and youtube channel where I showcase sim basketball and baseball @ Twitch

      Youtube

      Comment

      • Knight165
        *ll St*r
        • Feb 2003
        • 24964

        #153
        Re: This game feels so scripted at times

        Originally posted by cardinalbird7
        The same can be said for those on the other end. They offer no proof or statistical analysis. It is usually anecdotal evidence based on a few observations that seem to stick in their head because it gave them a loss and it makes them extremely biased and manipulative when trying support their "Comeback code" theory.

        If someone actually made sense when they made these threads then I'd love to have a solid argument. Until then...they won't get any serious responses. I've never had problems playing against the AI in any game ever. You know why? I generally play through multiple seasons and I'm not relying on a few games to support a theory.

        Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

        This applies to a lot of people that make these threads.
        Absolutely....and also add to this perception.
        Two people could play and have the same exact results played out in the same way and come to two different conclusions as to why they lost the game.
        One might say..."made a bad pitch"......or "that's the way it goes sometimes"...
        The other who cannot fathom that they could lose after having what seems like an insurmountable lead or a player that "shouldn't have hit that HR"(Joe McEwing says hi to Randy Johnson!) will blame it on the coding of the game.

        ...and I'm sorry...but two last things.
        If it's going to come down to some players stating they see "weird things" in some losses.....and it has to be comeback code or rubberband AI or whatever...or the devs saying it's not in there....with no other proof other than a story of something that could obviously happen in a real game, regardless of how probable...I'd have to go with the guys who made the game.
        And lastly....there is talk of "no proof"....I'm sorry...again....but the proof should have to come from those saying that something exists....not those saying...it does not.
        Especially when they are in the minority on the subject.

        M.K.
        Knight165
        All gave some. Some gave all. 343

        Comment

        • cardinalbird5
          MVP
          • Jul 2006
          • 2814

          #154
          Re: This game feels so scripted at times

          Yep that happens online a lot.

          Some might say "I lost because I made a bad pitch", while another in the exact situation might blame it on lag or accuse the other player of a center swinger or something. It is just human nature for us not to accept our own faults and in a game like baseball...you don't always have complete control of your wins/losses.

          Biases exist in our heads for virtually every thing we think about. The problem lies when people take no attempt to analyze and evaluate a situation as a whole and provide some actual proof why something happened the way it did. Their first instinct is to blame it on something else and that is why you never see these threads when people win.

          I personally don't experience any comeback AI in any sports games (Madden, NBA 2k or MLB TS), but if people constantly are then please provide some videos along with statistical analysis.

          If you guys are suffering from a lot of blown leads you should read one of Nomo's blogs. He used actual stats and analysis (crazy right?) and his blog made a lot of sense.

          Read it: http://www.operationsports.com/nomo1...ning-comeback/
          Check out my livestreams and youtube channel where I showcase sim basketball and baseball @ Twitch

          Youtube

          Comment

          • kchuskey
            Pro
            • Sep 2006
            • 556

            #155
            Re: This game feels so scripted at times

            Originally posted by P.A.D.
            That's my entire argument though (if you did indeed read my previous posts, if not I apologize). I don't think outcomes are scripted. I don't think results are scripted.

            At least we can both agree to disagree with the thread title, and OP.


            For the record... I also do not believe in Bigfoot. Although many do.
            XBOX Gamertag: KCHuskey
            PSN Gamertag: KCHuskey

            "I remember a day before sliders existed, when we would play an entire season, before dinner."

            Comment

            • Bobhead
              Pro
              • Mar 2011
              • 4926

              #156
              Re: This game feels so scripted at times

              Originally posted by abbysinthe
              This!!!

              I mentioned this in another thread and was attacked. I have pitched 2 seasons worth of games in RTTS. Umps strike zones during the game have whiplash. It's variable strike zones from pitch to pitch, not one game to the next.
              Originally posted by P.A.D.
              This I agree. Variable umpiring should not be pitch to pitch, it should be game to game.
              I agree with this too. The variable umpire system in The Show is honestly sub-par at best. Every borderline pitch is a coin flip, regardless of the ump. Not good.

              Comment

              • abbysinthe
                Rookie
                • Jan 2009
                • 49

                #157
                Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                Originally posted by Bobhead
                I agree with this too. The variable umpire system in The Show is honestly sub-par at best. Every borderline pitch is a coin flip, regardless of the ump. Not good.
                Regardless of a lot of things, pitch type, pitcher, ump, at bat, game situation..

                No, I don't think the game is scripted, no comeback code, or any other conspiracy theory blah blah.. just the variable ump zones during each game from pitch to pitch are crap.

                Comment

                • 24
                  Forever A Legend
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2809

                  #158
                  Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                  I think that the reason why the CPU is able to comeback so often is due to Human error, and hear me out on this one before you bite my head off. The most recent example was today, I was playing an exhibition game. I downloaded Dr.Sublimes Randy Johnson CAP (Which is fantastic by the way you should all check it out.) and placed him on the DBacks. I chose to play against the Cardinals.

                  I was cruising throughout the entire game. I was up 4-0 and The Big Unit couldn't be stopped. I allowed 2 Hits through 7 Innings and Struck out 8 to that point. Things changed in the 8th and Randy got smacked around a bit. I gave up 3 Runs, promptly pulled Randy and proceeded to finnish out the rest of the game. I was pissed I thought it was some comeback code nonsense or something along the lines of that, but then I thought back at the way I was pitching. I progressively made riskier decisions as the game progressed. I started falling behind in counts and tried to bail myself out with Fastballs which were right over the plate. I got careless and started to make poor decisions. Why? because at that point I was comfortable. The CPU couldn't hit water failing from a boat up until that point.

                  What I'm trying to say is, I think it's just us. We are humans, when something is coming easy to us we tend to through normal logic out the window and cruise. In a situation we are comfortable in, we are less likely to be aware of potential mistakes. That's just my take on it though.


                  Comment

                  • x_maxpower
                    Rookie
                    • May 2010
                    • 22

                    #159
                    Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                    It's impossible to prove so you will always have 2 camps on this. I can't prove it either but it certainly seems like beating up or blowing out certain teams is difficult, regardless of their roster. For example, I always have late game errors or balls misplayed when beating the Yankees.

                    It was the same way in NCAA football when playing Notre Dame. No matter how bad they were they would boost for a qtr and score at will. We actually turned it into a verb...you got "Notre Damed". Still use the term in every sports game we play

                    Comment

                    • bkrich83
                      Has Been
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 71577

                      #160
                      Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                      I love these threads. I blew a lead, it must be the games fault.
                      Tracking my NCAA Coach Career

                      Comment

                      • cardinalbird5
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 2814

                        #161
                        Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                        Originally posted by x_maxpower
                        It's impossible to prove so you will always have 2 camps on this. I can't prove it either but it certainly seems like beating up or blowing out certain teams is difficult, regardless of their roster. For example, I always have late game errors or balls misplayed when beating the Yankees.

                        It was the same way in NCAA football when playing Notre Dame. No matter how bad they were they would boost for a qtr and score at will. We actually turned it into a verb...you got "Notre Damed". Still use the term in every sports game we play
                        It may be impossible, but people could at least try and use some evidence to support their claims. Read my post above on Nomo's blog. I don't expect people to get that deep, but they could do something similar and simpler.
                        Check out my livestreams and youtube channel where I showcase sim basketball and baseball @ Twitch

                        Youtube

                        Comment

                        • TheFlamingWeazel
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 407

                          #162
                          Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                          Originally posted by bkrich83
                          I love these threads. I blew a lead, it must be the games fault.
                          Yep, make matters worse it happens in real baseball daily, heck I watched the Jays bullpen explode 2 straight games in minnesota with big leads both times.

                          Comment

                          • TheFlamingWeazel
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 407

                            #163
                            Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                            Originally posted by Bobhead
                            I agree with this too. The variable umpire system in The Show is honestly sub-par at best. Every borderline pitch is a coin flip, regardless of the ump. Not good.
                            Umm What? Watch baseball lately, that is exactly how it is with real umps, seriously I am thinking half the people here never saw a game in their life. Umps are generally terrible in baseball, same pitch same location twice it's a ball, next it's a strike, sorry don't agree with you at all, it's simply false.

                            Comment

                            • underdog13
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 3222

                              #164
                              Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                              Originally posted by TheFlamingWeazel
                              Umm What? Watch baseball lately, that is exactly how it is with real umps, seriously I am thinking half the people here never saw a game in their life. Umps are generally terrible in baseball, same pitch same location twice it's a ball, next it's a strike, sorry don't agree with you at all, it's simply false.
                              Totally agree.
                              PSN: Dalton1985
                              Steam: Failure To Communicate

                              Comment

                              • Bobhead
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2011
                                • 4926

                                #165
                                Re: This game feels so scripted at times

                                Originally posted by TheFlamingWeazel
                                Umm What? Watch baseball lately, that is exactly how it is with real umps, seriously I am thinking half the people here never saw a game in their life. Umps are generally terrible in baseball, same pitch same location twice it's a ball, next it's a strike, sorry don't agree with you at all, it's simply false.
                                Umpires are really not that bad at all, and I watch a LOT of real baseball. Do they follow the book definition of a strike zone? Absolutely not. But whatever their twisted definition of a strike zone is, there's no question that they stick to it, for the duration of the game. It's not nearly as arbitrary as it is in The Show.

                                Maybe they call that pitch at the ankles, but they call it for both pitchers.

                                Comment

                                Working...