This game feels so scripted at times

[underdog13]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Umpires are really not that bad at all, and I watch a LOT of real baseball. Do they follow the book definition of a strike zone? Absolutely not. But whatever their twisted definition of a strike zone is, there's no question that they stick to it, for the duration of the game. It's not nearly as arbitrary as it is in The Show.

Maybe they call that pitch at the ankles, but they call it for both pitchers.

Well imo the umps in the show are relatively consistent

[Padgoi]

This game feels so scripted at times

Well imo the umps in the show are relatively consistent

And this response makes us think you've never watched (or played) a show game in your life. The pendulum swings both ways. In our opinion, the umpires in the show are variable from pitch to pitch and as Bob said, even in real life, while the interpretation of a strike may change from game to game based on an umpire, any umpire who consistently changed their zone pitch to pitch like it happens in this game would be fired.

I love these threads. I blew a lead, it must be the games fault.

Thanks for providing another example of the reason these types of threads have been derailed in the past and why this one hasn't. Mature responses like this clearly go a long way.

[TheFlamingWeazel]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Umpires are really not that bad at all, and I watch a LOT of real baseball. Do they follow the book definition of a strike zone? Absolutely not. But whatever their twisted definition of a strike zone is, there's no question that they stick to it, for the duration of the game. It's not nearly as arbitrary as it is in The Show.

Maybe they call that pitch at the ankles, but they call it for both pitchers.

LOL, yes they are terrible, they are all over the place but that is human nature, no way a person can detect by an inch or two consistently that a 95 MPH fastball is off the plate accurately. Replays and pitch trackers show this constantly.

[TheFlamingWeazel]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Umpires are really not that bad at all, and I watch a LOT of real baseball. Do they follow the book definition of a strike zone? Absolutely not. But whatever their twisted definition of a strike zone is, there's no question that they stick to it, for the duration of the game. It's not nearly as arbitrary as it is in The Show.

Maybe they call that pitch at the ankles, but they call it for both pitchers.

Stick to it?? LMAo i am sorry that is a ridiculous comment from someone who says he watches a lot of baseball, I see it all the time even in the same inning, pitch that was a strike one inning is not the next, even batter to batter.

[underdog13]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

And this response makes us think you've never watched (or played) a show game in your life. The pendulum swings both ways. In our opinion, the umpires in the show are variable from pitch to pitch and as Bob said, even in real life, while the interpretation of a strike may change from game to game based on an umpire, any umpire who consistently changed their zone pitch to pitch like it happens in this game would be fired.

And umpires in real life are consistent? They change their zone based on the count

How many managers have been ejected this year already for arguing balls and strikes? I know Renteria has been ejected 3 times already.

[Bobhead]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Responding to the same post twice? You really hate umpires huh?

First off, just because you "see it all the time", doesn't at all disprove what I said. The two aren't mutually exclusive. You're falling for a type of logical fallacy that I'm too lazy to look up. Calling a consistent strike zone does not grant immunity to mistakes. I'm not saying umpires don't also blow calls or make mistakes.

Second:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/911552-defining-the-human-element-mlb-umpires-call-995-of-plays-correctly

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/umpires-are-improving/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/op...rong.html?_r=0

http://www.baseballanalytics.org/baseball-analytics-blog/tag/umpires

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/31/sports/la-sp-sn-umpires-ball-strike-call-wrong-20140331

Umpires aren't perfect, but they aren't "terrible" "constantly making mistakes" or any of the other phrasal adjectives you used, either. For someone that claims to watch baseball, you should know better than to try to discuss the sport without using stats to back it up.

Of note in those links, there is only approximately %.7 differential in the error margin between two teams in the same game. That is, the umpire is more or less making the same calls for both teams.

Edit: Also the "pitch trax strike zone or whatever is not accurate itself, so don't pay too much attention to those.

They are on-screen approximations created by cameras that move, are vulnerable to wind, and are positioned in random, unplanned places throughout the ballpark.

[underdog13]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Was gonna post something from the book scorecasting put can't find the section online...Might take a picture of the section and post that if I can find where I placed the book.

[TheFlamingWeazel]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Responding to the same post twice? You really hate umpires huh?

First off, just because you "see it all the time", doesn't at all disprove what I said. The two aren't mutually exclusive. You're falling for a type of logical fallacy that I'm too lazy to look up. Calling a consistent strike zone does not grant immunity to mistakes. I'm not saying umpires don't also blow calls or make mistakes.

Second:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/911552-defining-the-human-element-mlb-umpires-call-995-of-plays-correctly

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/umpires-are-improving/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/op...rong.html?_r=0

http://www.baseballanalytics.org/baseball-analytics-blog/tag/umpires

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/31/sports/la-sp-sn-umpires-ball-strike-call-wrong-20140331

Umpires aren't perfect, but they aren't "terrible" "constantly making mistakes" or any of the other phrasal adjectives you used, either. For someone that claims to watch baseball, you should know better than to try to discuss the sport without using stats to back it up.

Of note in those links, there is only approximately %.7 differential in the error margin between two teams in the same game. That is, the umpire is more or less making the same calls for both teams.

Edit: Also the "pitch trax strike zone or whatever is not accurate itself, so don't pay too much attention to those.

They are on-screen approximations created by cameras that move, are vulnerable to wind, and are positioned in random, unplanned places throughout the ballpark.

They are not terrible, maybe a strong word, but they are horribly inconsistent, just as the show is, and that should be expected, the human eye is not that good. It;'s why managers, batters always get frustrated with strike/ball calls.

I don't hate umpires that's an idiotic thing to say, they are wildly inconsistent, like I said, it's not their fault, anytime you have humans judging a round white ball going 90 + MPH, judging where it went over the corner of the plate, you will get that. The show does a fine job of replicating that.

I had a game of MLB 14 earlier, and this ump had a low strike zone consistently in the game, would not call the high strike, but he missed some inside and out all game, that's normal. Show me 1 full inning of baseball where an ump got every close correct correct?

[cardinalbird5]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Umm What? Watch baseball lately, that is exactly how it is with real umps, seriously I am thinking half the people here never saw a game in their life. Umps are generally terrible in baseball, same pitch same location twice it's a ball, next it's a strike, sorry don't agree with you at all, it's simply false.

That is not entirely true at all.

I wish this game went more based on umpire tendencies rather than just flipping a coin in the border line pitches. Then you could actually adjust and take advantage of the strike zone. You can hit the same spot 10 times in a row and half of them will be balls other half will be strikes. Most umpires in MLB are, at least, consistent with their strike zones.

I really laugh at people who say umpires are terrible in every sport. Some of you have no idea how hard it can be. Sure they do make some terrible calls, but they're human and people forget that. I think for the most part, MLB umpires are better than NBA, NFL, and NHL.

[Spokker]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

I think the problem is many that video game players want the game to always go their way. They never want to lose. They never want to blame themselves for failing. This is true for genres other than sports. This is part of the reason, in my opinion, why games are becoming more streamlined. This is why you are seeing quotes like, "Game overs are a failure of game developers."


In sports as well as games, you have to be okay with losing. It's going to happen. Hell, this is a sport where if you make something happen at the plate 30 percent of the time, you are doing pretty good.


Although The Show doesn't have game overs, there are going to be times where you go a few games without a hit. You are going to allow that home run. The game isn't any more at fault than you are.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

The game is scripted. But that script ends when the ball leaves the pitchers fingers.

[caseyj622]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

I think the problem is many that video game players want the game to always go their way. They never want to lose. They never want to blame themselves for failing. This is true for genres other than sports. This is part of the reason, in my opinion, why games are becoming more streamlined. This is why you are seeing quotes like, "Game overs are a failure of game developers."


In sports as well as games, you have to be okay with losing. It's going to happen. Hell, this is a sport where if you make something happen at the plate 30 percent of the time, you are doing pretty good.


Although The Show doesn't have game overs, there are going to be times where you go a few games without a hit. You are going to allow that home run. The game isn't any more at fault than you are.

I know this is the feeling of many people but I just don't get it. Never losing would be make absolutely miserable. I NEED the game to be a simulation and have absolutely realistic results. I don' want to hit .350 with my whole team because it just doesn't happen IRL.

The umpires do drive me insane at times, but that's how it is IRL too. Anyone who watches baseball on a regular basis can see that many umpires strike zones are below average at best. The only thing that really puzzles me on the show is they call very high strikes at the letters which are never called IRL. Most borderline called strikes IRL are either low or outside. They almost never call the letter high strikes IRL like they do on the show and they do it consistently on the show and it has been that way since I've been playing since 08. I wish they would lower the strike zone a bit.

[HustlinOwl]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Thanks for providing another example of the reason these types of threads have been derailed in the past and why this one hasn't. Mature responses like this clearly go a long way.

I love it now those that either fail to realize outcomes are ON THEM/NOT THE GAME play the victim role

[bad_philanthropy]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Long time Show player, and I don't necessarily have a problem, and certainly not with rubber banding, but it seems like all of my wins and losses in franchise are by one or two runs. Like maybe 8/10 games result this way.

Maybe this is consistent with the real life average, and it's something I simply didn't realize. Just feels like I rarely get a blowout or blown out.

I will say that at times it does feel a bit unnatural with RISP at bats, but I'm also willing to concede that this could be a psychological thing.

Again, no real complaints, just throwing the sense I'm getting into the fray. Could be early days with this version, and maybe I haven't quite adapted to some of the tweaks. Having a great time with the game as usual.

[PRBoricua]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Don't really have a place to ask this, so I'll ask it in this thread.

How do you guys go about stopping the inevitable "run" the CPU goes on?

For instance this afternoon I was playing the Mariners as the Angles and was playing pretty well against them, but no matter what I do, the CPU somehow manages to match me with-in an inning or two of any runs I manage to produce.

David Freese hits a three run HR in the first inning, the Mariners manage to score three in the third inning.

Freese hits another bomb in the sixth inning, the Mariners match it in the bottom half of the same inning.

This happens a lot and I wind up playing a ton of extra-inning games because no matter how hard I try, I cannot for the life of me hold onto any leads. This game I lost in the 10th when Cano hit a walk-off HR in the tenth

Again, I'm not accusing the A.I of having "comeback code" or being "scripted", just a little frustrated at constantly giving up leads in this game and I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong?