This game feels so scripted at times

[C_Bailey24]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

No the game is not unpredictable...at least for me. Its the same every game..at least for me it is. Can't hold a lead no matter what i do. What i find funny in these threads "that we have every single year" is the somewhat conflicting advice and suggestions that are rolled out to us users who are obviously the ones at fault and not the game. Example guy comes in the thread and says hey i've been dealing all game and on 0-2 count i throw (insert non-power hitting player) my fully confident #1 pitch that's been working all game down and just out of the zone and he crushes it to the opposite field for a homer that just convienently puts them into the lead. You know what the response to that is "every single year"? " Hey it's your fault because you should have thrown something else because the CPU picks up on your "patterns". Ok.

Next guy comes into the thread with a similar late game situation and throws, lets say, his number three pitch. You know, for the sake of not pitching into the "pattern" the CPU picks up on. Guess what same home run or double to the gap resulting in a CPU lead. What's the response to that? "Hey it's your fault you shouldn't have thrown your #3 pitch in that situation. You should have went with your best pitch. No wonder it got crushed".

I, and i'm sure others, have read all the advice threads. Use warmup pitches. Use the pitcher/batter analysis within the game. Use defensive shifts. Have relievers constantly warmed up and ready from 6 inning on..sometimes 5th inning. I've read it ALL. And nothing stops the frequency of this comeback crap. Don't tell me it's user fault/error when i give up a homerun or double to the wall and when the next batter comes up and i look at the swing analysis and the PCI IS NOWHERE NEAR THE BALL. I'm talking PCI on inside of plate...ball on outside. I've seen this multiple times. It's annoying to keep going through this and even more annoying to read people keep saying it's ALL user error. That's garbage.

I try my best to find some fun in this game but it's the same thing every game. No matter how many relievers i bring in. No matter what team i use. No matter how many warmup pitches i throw. No matter how many times i try to consciously not pitch in a pattern it's going to happen. The phantom hits. The pitches that sail back over the middle of the plate even though there fully confident and my ball marker is way outside or inside. It's like a helpless feeling and sucks ALL the fun from the game because every game plays out the same. I've won one game in franchise...ONE. I've yet to give up less than six runs. I've replayed the same game about 4 times just this morning because the late-inning score-fest keeps happening. I don't mind losing but i do mind losing in the SAME WAY VERY FREQUENTLY when i'm taking the precautions to try and prevent "the run". I don't have 6-1 games then an 8-4, then maybe a 2-1. I never experience that variety in this game and i have no idea why. But what i do know is it's NOT ALL user error. We're not all morons who know nothing about the game and just expect to win throwing low fastballs all game with no regards to strategy. So yes do we see this same thread every year? Yep. And the same people defend the game to no end. How about this. The ones " who don't experience these issues how about you all post a full game or two on stream or youtube or wherever so we can see just how it's done in the late innings since the rest of us seem to have no clue. Any takers?

[nomo17k]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

And this is the exact point I've been trying to make the entire thread. It's not [b}that[/b] it happens, it's the way it happens that makes it feel like the CPU is getting a bump in the later innings. Clearly these rallies can be thwarted as we've all done it before, but the fact that the team losing (CPU or user) gets these bumps is unrealistic and that's what I mean when I say rubber band AI. Strike zones shouldn't change batter to batter. Teams shouldn't get bumps in later innings. And quick counts shouldn't be dependent on game situation. This is what has long bothered me about this series. And honestly, there's almost no one that can convince me it's not there. I've seen it too many times to question my own experiences.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes me not want to join a discussion like this any more in this forum.

It is totally fine you personally believe in what you wish to believe in, even if that thing factually doesn't exist, but for people like that to chime in, not knowing for them to do so actually only prevents the rest of the forum members to have more meaningful discussions about related issues... it's basically a waste of time.

And the game does not give an edge to one side or another based on situations. That's pretty much a fact by now... that came out of the mouth of the very person who coded up the specific portion of the game. If that bottom line cannot even be agreed, then there is absolutely no useful feedback that come out, as in this thread.

Every year, it's the same. No good feedback that actually help the devs come up to improve the balance of the game. Hence it essentially stays the same. Your frustration also continues.

Like, okay, based on what you have said, what can Brian@SCEA the programmer do? He cannot fix the issues, because the game in fact does not do funny things you talk about. So it is very likely psychological. But Brian isn't a psychiatrist, and I'm sure you won't appreciate him coming to your place knocking on your door, start talking like a college math professor discussing how to go about fixing your psychological issues, because the game side that cannot be "fixed" in any meaningful way to solve your issues.

You know what I mean?

If you really care about providing good feedback, please do stop being a conspiracy theorist. It does get really tiring to see this every year.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Honestly, it sounds like you're playing on a Difficulty Level that's too hard for you. It's really just that simple.

And to everybody else, I've got a few 11-1 games that would disagree with all of this nonsense.

Did the game just decide to throw me a bone that day? Or that time I lost 11-1, did I just miss the games' signal that it was time for me to start scoring runs now?

So not only is there comeback code, but it's so TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED that it decides on it's own which game to turn on or off during?

You guys are incredible.

[bcruise]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

How about this. The ones " who don't experience these issues how about you all post a full game or two on stream or youtube or wherever so we can see just how it's done in the late innings since the rest of us seem to have no clue. Any takers?

Certainly.

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I would suggest watching from the top of the 8th on (49:00), as it's a good example of two VERY different innings while pitching with a lead. I mean, if some kind of code existed, I should have gotten lit up in the 8th too, right (it was a reliever in there, after all)? As for the 9th....Veras. That's all I have to say about that. You can even hear me getting a bit frustrated, but only because I KNOW he's a bad pitcher and that this happens because of that fact, not because there's scripting built into the game.

Oh, and...if you do watch, you might want to skip the first few minutes while I rant about CC not existing. The basic idea here is that I'm doing a game as a Player Lock Catcher, such that I only call pitches for a CPU pitcher. You can see pretty quickly that they don't go right to where I'm telling him to pitch, especially in Samardzija and Veras' case. And yet I still struck out 6 with Shark thanks to some good strategy.

[C_Bailey24]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Certainly.

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I would suggest watching from the top of the 8th on (49:00), as it's a good example of two VERY different innings while pitching with a lead. I mean, if some kind of code existed, I should have gotten lit up in the 8th too, right (it was a reliever in there, after all)? As for the 9th....Veras. That's all I have to say about that. You can even hear me getting a bit frustrated, but only because I KNOW he's a bad pitcher and that this happens because of that fact, not because there's scripting built into the game.

Oh, and...if you do watch, you might want to skip the first few minutes while I rant about CC not existing. The basic idea here is that I'm doing a game as a Player Lock Catcher, such that I only call pitches for a CPU pitcher. You can see pretty quickly that they don't go right to where I'm telling him to pitch, especially in Samardzija and Veras' case. And yet I still struck out 6 with Shark thanks to some good strategy.

I've seen that video. Also seen the one where you played as the Mariners vs the Tigers. CPU Tigers went on one of those late game multiple scoring inning runs to blow the game open at 7-2. Oh, and that curveball that you thought " was down the middle so i paid for it" actually was not. It was in a good spot down just below the knees and was crushed as if u left it belt-high. But just like you all say don't get mad at one game and that it happens show me multiple games not just the "one" you posted. Because as you say about the ones that believe in the "code" that's its easy to pick out one specific inning, or game. Where my problem lies is i'm frequently having those 7-2 games that you had with The Tigers. If it were a 40%-50% kind of thing i'd have no problem because i've done everything i've could to stay away from this thread and just play through it but it's getting ridiculous now.

[C_Bailey24]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Honestly, it sounds like you're playing on a Difficulty Level that's too hard for you. It's really just that simple.

I've tried different difficulties my friend. I'ts not about difficulty so much as it is about balance. Look at the myriad of threads where people are finding All-Star to easy to pitch and/or hit. You yourself are having a little trouble finding it from what i've been reading in the Classic Pitching thread. I just a little more balance script or code be damned.

[bcruise]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

I've seen that video. Also seen the one where you played as the Mariners vs the Tigers. CPU Tigers went on one of those late game multiple scoring inning runs to blow the game open at 7-2. Oh, and that curveball that you thought " was down the middle so i paid for it" actually was not. It was in a good spot down just below the knees and was crushed as if u left it belt-high. But just like you all say don't get mad at one game and that it happens show me multiple games not just the "one" you posted. Because as you say about the ones that believe in the "code" that's its easy to pick out one specific inning, or game. Where my problem lies is i'm frequently having those 7-2 games that you had with The Tigers. If it were a 40%-50% kind of thing i'd have no problem because i've done everything i've could to stay away from this thread and just play through it but it's getting ridiculous now.

First off, thanks for watching the videos. I didn't know you saw the Tigers/M's one too.

A curveball that catches any part of the plate is a hittable pitch. If it's the one I'm thinking of in the Detroit game that was a 2-0 count, and I only threw it because I'd been throwing a lot of hard stuff and wanted to change the timing. It hung and he hit it. HOF is a hard level, mistakes like that are punished sometimes. It's not scripted, that's the way the game plays all the time.

Here's the video that he's talking about (it's not on youtube):

http://www.twitch.tv/bcruise/c/4241435 (Tigers/M's starts at 1:07:49)

I'm not going to do another game like that just for the sake of sample size to disprove scripting (how many games do I need to show? 5? 10? 100?), because I'm busy enjoying an RTTS. But I do plan on playing a franchise at some point, and I'm likely to stream all those games too.

If you want to continue this and say I'm backing down by not wanting to show more, go for it. I don't enjoy arguing with brick walls.

[fjackson18]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

Not sure there is comeback code in the game. I actually don't think there is. But the cpu does put teams (BOTH HUMAN AND CPU) in position to put runs on the board. I think the game tries to make the player feel squeezed and have pressure on the mound. it's almost routine now, If I score first the AI will score within two innings to tie or take the lead but I know I will score again at some point cause its how the game works. I don't care about that what I see that is borderline crazy is my team becomes a little league team on defense. For example I was beating K.C last night 5-2 I put in Perkins for the save and my infield could not field a grounder if their life depended on it. balls deflecting off two fielders on the same play. one play Dozier let a ball drop over his head Arcia was right behind him and he went to field it and it fell out his glove. When they tied it the next grounder was fielded and I got the runner out. My game log was almost a paragraph long because of all the "deflections".

I agree with someone who posted earlier. If there was comeback code I could care less I win plenty of games as is. I don't agree with my team suddenly lacking the skill to play baseball having to be the reason for it. I am 7-4 with the twins Glen Perkins was 4-4 on SO. I am second in the league early on with Hrs and league low in team ERA. I am not complaining just adding input to the topic. Being scripted does not just mean "comeback or rubberband A.I" but that things are going happen in majority of the games. and in every game I play there is a inning I have 3-4 balls that don't get fielded routinely resulting in the A.I manufacturing a run or two.

[hawley088]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

i used to think this and I was also too stubborn to take my starter out real early in the game, but I got lit up in the first inning last night, i gave up 6. I left him in for 2 more innings, didnt give any more runs but I still gave up a lot of hits. Once I took him out and used the bullpen, the game went much better for me, I was only able to get 3 runs, so i lost 6-3 but point is, if it gets to the point where you are nervous about every pitch, take that guy out and get someone new in there

even the best pitchers and hitters who have ever played have had a ton of terrible games

[C_Bailey24]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

First off, thanks for watching the videos. I didn't know you saw the Tigers/M's one too.

A curveball that catches any part of the plate is a hittable pitch. If it's the one I'm thinking of in the Detroit game that was a 2-0 count, and I only threw it because I'd been throwing a lot of hard stuff and wanted to change the timing. It hung and he hit it. HOF is a hard level, mistakes like that are punished sometimes. It's not scripted, that's the way the game plays all the time.

Here's the video that he's talking about (it's not on youtube):

http://www.twitch.tv/bcruise/c/4241435 (Tigers/M's starts at 1:07:49)

I'm not going to do another game like that just for the sake of sample size to disprove scripting (how many games do I need to show? 5? 10? 100?), because I'm busy enjoying an RTTS. But I do plan on playing a franchise at some point, and I'm likely to stream all those games too.

If you want to continue this and say I'm backing down by not wanting to show more, go for it. I don't enjoy arguing with brick walls.

That curve caught none of the plate. Trust me. It was below the strike zone and that was one of those cpu boost moments not a user mistake.

Secondly, I never said the game is scripted. I was pointing out the contradictory advice and suggestions that go on in threads like this because how is someone supposed to correct their "mistakes" when every thing they do is met with "well u should have done xyz". Hindsight is always 20/20. My problem is these boosts the cpu gets are unnecessary. Just let the ratings play out. I find it funny that with Madden and 2K their "boosts" are criticized but with this game people just make excuses for it and say that's baseball. It's not all user error. The game plays a part in it also.

[bcruise]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

That curve caught none of the plate. Trust me. It was below the strike zone and that was one of those cpu boost moments not a user mistake.

Secondly, I never said the game is scripted. I was pointing out the contradictory advice and suggestions that go on in threads like this because how is someone supposed to correct their "mistakes" when every thing they do is met with "well u should have done xyz". Hindsight is always 20/20. My problem is these boosts the cpu gets are unnecessary. Just let the ratings play out. I find it funny that with Madden and 2K their "boosts" are criticized but with this game people just make excuses for it and say that's baseball. It's not all user error. The game plays a part in it also.

I said I wasn't going to go on with this, but I'm not going to allow you to just flat out lie when the evidence is right there for everyone to see.

1 : 59 : 52 of the Twitch video I posted above. That's the homerun pitch. It's NOT a good 2-0 pitch - it's a curveball in the strike zone (on the corner, but still in the zone). It SHOULD have been hammered on HOF difficulty, and was.



If that's NOT the pitch you're referring to, tell me. I'll also tell you that there was an equally bad pitch later on in the inning that got smacked for a 2 run homer - a 2-1 changeup low in the zone, but in the zone nonetheless.

Those are mistake pitches. They are SUPPOSED to get hit hard. I don't understand how you can use a strike zone curveball to claim that the CPU was scripted to destroy that pitch. If I see something like that float up to the plate I'm feasting on it.

[Jr.]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

I said I wasn't going to go on with this, but I'm not going to allow you to just flat out lie when the evidence is right there for everyone to see.

1 : 59 : 52 of the Twitch video I posted above. That's the homerun pitch. It's NOT a good 2-0 pitch - it's a curveball in the strike zone (on the corner, but still in the zone). It SHOULD have been hammered on HOF difficulty, and was.

If that's NOT the pitch you're referring to, tell me. I'll also tell you that there was an equally bad pitch later on in the inning that got smacked for a 2 run homer - a 2-1 changeup low in the zone, but in the zone nonetheless.

Those are mistake pitches. They are SUPPOSED to get hit hard. I don't understand how you can use a strike zone curveball to claim that the CPU was scripted to destroy that pitch. If I see something like that float up to the plate I'm feasting on it.

It looks like a decent pitch to me, but it did look in the strike zone. Definitely not a mistake pitch as it's a 2-0 breaking ball at the bottom of the zone, which is exactly where you want a 2-0 pitch to end up. Not saying that it still won't get hit hard if a hitter is looking for that or recognizes it early, but I wouldn't call that particular breaking ball a mistake pitch at all.

[bcruise]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

It looks like a decent pitch to me, but it did look in the strike zone. Definitely not a mistake pitch as it's a 2-0 breaking ball at the bottom of the zone, which is exactly where you want a 2-0 pitch to end up. Not saying that it still won't get hit hard if a hitter is looking for that or recognizes it early, but I wouldn't call that particular breaking ball a mistake pitch at all.

Fair enough. It wasn't terrible overall, but it's still something the batter can look for on 2-0 - I'll compromise on that. It obviously wasn't where I wanted it though (which is why I call it a mistake pitch) - I was hoping to either have it miss slightly out of the zone or nip the very edge of the zone. It got a lot more of the plate than I wanted, and that's the way it goes sometimes with relievers' control.

Some folks equate that to scripting. I see it as a reliever making a mistake.

[underdog13]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

@BCruise

How do you get your twitch broadcasts to save? I have the option checked to save broadcasts but they never save.

[bcruise]

Re: This game feels so scripted at times

@BCruise

How do you get your twitch broadcasts to save? I have the option checked to save broadcasts but they never save.

Hmm...it works fine for me. You're sure you've got it checked on the user settings on Twitch's website?

Just an idea, but you might try unchecking it, saving, running a quick stream, then checking the box again and saving. Might reset whatever's causing that to not work.

The videos should show up on your dashboard page under "recorded" once they're archiving.