Scouting Question

[MLB Bob]

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thank you, i was hoping youd take the post as sincere...i'll take a look a plug some ratings with the info you posted...it does seem odd.

[MLB Bob]

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I did a bit of checking and testing and the ratings presented might give you a 75+ player or so if the intangibles stacked up ok (stuff that isnt measured in the initial scouting report)

My guess is potential is over all potential of A, B, C ect and has no direct correlation to what a scout grades each individual attribute. A 99 would be a highest ceiling guy and his measurables are guesstimated by the scout to be roughly what they report. Scouting is educated guess work anyway.

So to Cavacchi's question or point, no it doesnt seem to matter what a players attributes are potentially to give them an over all potential (as the player could exceed or bust expectations) but having a 99 potential will most likely allow the player the ability to reach his full potential, what ever that is.

Maybe thats the key, potential is how likely he'll reach his potentials and not what his his final ratings will "calculate" to give him for an overall.

Until a dev wants to explain or they just didnt connect the 2 I dont know, either way it doesnt bother me but it is a good question.

[Cavicchi]

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I did a bit of checking and testing and the ratings presented might give you a 75+ player or so if the intangibles stacked up ok (stuff that isnt measured in the initial scouting report)

My guess is potential is over all potential of A, B, C ect and has no direct correlation to what a scout grades each individual attribute. A 99 would be a highest ceiling guy and his measurables are guesstimated by the scout to be roughly what they report. Scouting is educated guess work anyway.

So to Cavacchi's question or point, no it doesnt seem to matter what a players attributes are potentially to give them an over all potential (as the player could exceed or bust expectations) but having a 99 potential will most likely allow the player the ability to reach his full potential, what ever that is.

Maybe thats the key, potential is how likely he'll reach his potentials and not what his his final ratings will "calculate" to give him for an overall.

Until a dev wants to explain or they just didnt connect the 2 I dont know, either way it doesnt bother me but it is a good question.

I don't think that is correct. Pitchers seem to have a much more meaningful relationship between what the scout says in both potential and attributes. The real problem is position players.

When a scout tells his team so and so is a 99 (someone like Trout), I am pretty sure that scout is going to predict with meaningful measurements why he thinks so and so will be that kind of player. As far as what is happening in this game with position players, just makes no sense to me. It's pretty much of no significance, might as well not even bother.

[MLB Bob]

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I don't think that is correct. Pitchers seem to have a much more meaningful relationship between what the scout says in both potential and attributes. The real problem is position players.

When a scout tells his team so and so is a 99 (someone like Trout), I am pretty sure that scout is going to predict with meaningful measurements why he thinks so and so will be that kind of player. As far as what is happening in this game with position players, just makes no sense to me. It's pretty much of no significance, might as well not even bother.

No one in real baseball says so and so is a 99 (even trout) or any other top prospect. And the ones that are very seldom end up being the very best player ever in that draft or a for sure hall of famer. Its an educated guess based on pass examples and applying what they think they know.

As for the game, these instances do seem the dont correlate to how you or I believe they should work, so either we're wrong or the system is flawed. As I said until a dev comments on the issue or how its suppose to work..this is just people guessing.

[kehlis]

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All this guy ever does is ask for help and then argue with anyone who offers any.

Not sure why some bother...

[Cavicchi]

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No one in real baseball says so and so is a 99 (even trout) or any other top prospect. And the ones that are very seldom end up being the very best player ever in that draft or a for sure hall of famer. Its an educated guess based on pass examples and applying what they think they know.

As for the game, these instances do seem the dont correlate to how you or I believe they should work, so either we're wrong or the system is flawed. As I said until a dev comments on the issue or how its suppose to work..this is just people guessing.

I didn't mean 99 as in 99, but 99 as in someone LIKE Trout.

All this guy ever does is ask for help and then argue with anyone who offers any.

Not sure why some bother...

Arguing? And I thought it was just a discussion, just me replying what I think.

[StevenSD]

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What's the efficiency rating of your scouts? That may also be the problem.

My tactic is to use scouts with high discovery early on, then switch to scouts with high efficiency after three weeks or so into the season. From there you have to scout players continuously until the 'accuracy' bar is either filled or almost filled. The more the bar is filled, the more accurate the potential is. So say your 99 SS or whatever stars with a 99 overall like most, the more you scout him with an efficient scout, the more likely that number drops to 85, then lower, and lower until the scout has an accurate report on him.

[Cavicchi]

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What's the efficiency rating of your scouts? That may also be the problem.

My tactic is to use scouts with high discovery early on, then switch to scouts with high efficiency after three weeks or so into the season. From there you have to scout players continuously until the 'accuracy' bar is either filled or almost filled. The more the bar is filled, the more accurate the potential is. So say your 99 SS or whatever stars with a 99 overall like most, the more you scout him with an efficient scout, the more likely that number drops to 85, then lower, and lower until the scout has an accurate report on him.

The players I noted above were fully scouted. I don't know all their Efficiency or Discovery ratings at the moment. Still, any scout who says a player is 99 potential should have a reason, right or wrong, he should have a basis for that belief.

[MLB Bob]

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The players I noted above were fully scouted. I don't know all their Efficiency or Discovery ratings at the moment. Still, any scout who says a player is 99 potential should have a reason, right or wrong, he should have a basis for that belief.

Agreed it should. For fun if you get around to it check that info out and post it here as well. None of us programmed the game so we'll have to wait for a dev to comment to satisfy your current questions, but it would be interesting to know the scouts stats.

[StevenSD]

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I'm interested to see it too, because I've only rarely had a few pitchers stay at a 99 potential when fully scouted. (I've drafted two of them, and around 4-5 years developing they are close to that potential)

[Cavicchi]

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Agreed it should. For fun if you get around to it check that info out and post it here as well. None of us programmed the game so we'll have to wait for a dev to comment to satisfy your current questions, but it would be interesting to know the scouts stats.

I don't see where that would make any difference, what my scouts have. Any scout who says so and so is going to be a superstar, and that is what a 99 rating would indicate, would report ratings/attributes befitting that of a superstar. If a scout is bad, he still has to report why he believes someone to be a superstar. He still has to account for that projection. He may be wrong as to what happens in the future, but he should have reasons for the 99 projection, such as the player has lots of power, or will have lots of power. How do scouts in real baseball report on their projections?

My scouts:

R. Nielsen - West

Pitcher 94
Position Player- 96
Discovery--98
Efficiency--49

This is the scout I use to fully scout position players. I also use P. Miller to scout for position players: Position Player 87 Discovery 91 Efficiency 55.

I'm interested to see it too, because I've only rarely had a few pitchers stay at a 99 potential when fully scouted. (I've drafted two of them, and around 4-5 years developing they are close to that potential)

I have position players fully scouted with potential 99.

I have stated earlier in this thread the problem is position players. Pitchers have high 90 potential with meaningful attributes, something that makes sense for their high rating.

The players I'm talking about are with regard for actual vs. potential:

43--99
Contact 35--63 Power 36--52 speed 35--55 Fielding 38--67 Arm 36--47

41--99
Contact 38--63 Power 27--47 speed 38--69 Fielding 28--71 Arm 32--63

[Cavicchi]

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No one in real baseball says so and so is a 99 (even trout) or any other top prospect. And the ones that are very seldom end up being the very best player ever in that draft or a for sure hall of famer. Its an educated guess based on pass examples and applying what they think they know.

As for the game, these instances do seem the dont correlate to how you or I believe they should work, so either we're wrong or the system is flawed. As I said until a dev comments on the issue or how its suppose to work..this is just people guessing.

I agree with that!

[MLB Bob]

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I don't see where that would make any difference, what my scouts have. Any scout who says so and so is going to be a superstar, and that is what a 99 rating would indicate, would report ratings/attributes befitting that of a superstar. If a scout is bad, he still has to report why he believes someone to be a superstar. He still has to account for that projection. He may be wrong as to what happens in the future, but he should have reasons for the 99 projection, such as the player has lots of power, or will have lots of power. How do scouts in real baseball report on their projections?

It would make a difference in the fact the game is trying to build in uncertainty and you dont like how they are doing it. Its a video game, theyre not real people. I can understand the need for clarity but the game is trying to show not everything is exact...much like real scouting. a #1 prospect which could have the potential to be a "99" will not have 80 skill in his 5 tool ratings on the 20-80 scale, this is a video game..not reality..the scouts arent going to be held accountable for their numbers..Its not real ( just hope the area gets improved and make a suggestion)

[Cavicchi]

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It would make a difference in the fact the game is trying to build in uncertainty and you dont like how they are doing it. Its a video game, theyre not real people. I can understand the need for clarity but the game is trying to show not everything is exact...much like real scouting. a #1 prospect which could have the potential to be a "99" will not have 80 skill in his 5 tool ratings on the 20-80 scale, this is a video game..not reality..the scouts arent going to be held accountable for their numbers..Its not real ( just hope the area gets improved and make a suggestion)

The uncertainty is if the player will perform to expected ability.

You say I don't like how they are doing it and have stated you don't know how they are doing it.


"As I said until a dev comments on the issue or how its suppose to work..this is just people guessing."

[NDAlum]

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I'm a fan of how fluid the ratings/potential are

I understand the OP's question as this is something we're not accustomed to with video games. Before everything was so exact and this is rather free flowing.