Performance-Based Player Progression (Official Thread)

[jaysfan17]

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I think it's great that this forum has gotten a lot of attention. I hope SCEA see's this and hopefully they can nerf the regression.


I did poking around online and I found MLB 14 first patch. It happened in July, so if we were to see changes I'd expect same time as last year.

[loveOSFM12]

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Hey everyone, I came across this forum while looking for info about progression and regression because this game still feels like MLB 14 in terms of the "new" Performance-Based Player Progression.


I read everyone's post and I am very interested in what you had to say. My only question is; Will there be a patch to fix this issue and if so, when?


Cheers

[Cavicchi]

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I'm confused as to what's going on with Trout. After two regular season games, power against LHP and RHP has dropped one number. Since he hasn't faced a LHP, the one number drop doesn't make sense to me. I see that in out-of-game lineup and in-game player stats. Sometimes there is a difference between the two for other players on my team.

[Knight165]

Re: Performance-Based Player Progression (Official Thread)

Hey everyone, I came across this forum while looking for info about progression and regression because this game still feels like MLB 14 in terms of the "new" Performance-Based Player Progression.


I read everyone's post and I am very interested in what you had to say. My only question is; Will there be a patch to fix this issue and if so, when?


Cheers

I don't think....and I don't think SCEA thinks there is anything to fix.

M.K.
Knight165

[soxnut1018]

Re: Preformance-Based Player Progression (Official Thread)

The rating distribution causes about a ten point decline in league wide batting averages, which in turn lowers the league wide ERA down to about 3.30-3.40, which is quite a bit lower than league average(AL 2014 ERA 3.81 and NL 2014 ERA 3.66). There is a lot of data that I have yet to look at, but the initial results tell me the game is not properly balanced(at 2014 level statistics) for multi year franchises.

While I agree with your general point about player ratings, the stats actually look ok. While the league ERA was 3.74 in 2014, it was 4.46 in 2004. ERA has gone down pretty much every year for a while now. A .30 decrease in ERA in 20 years isn't that unrealistic.

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If I edit a players ratings inside of Franchise mode, does it impact their progression in a negative way?

[sljivo]

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This is a major issue. Position players are not the problem. They come into the league with reasonable attributes and progress and regress rather normally. However, after playing and simming until 2025 I can tell you that major league pitchers have become too dominant. More than a handful of teams have rotations resembling the Atlanta Braves of the early 90's (Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine). This should be a rarity, not a norm! Even the worst teams have an average attribute overall for SP's of 85. ERA's have plummetted and strikeouts have increased to unbelievable levels. I grew up watching the Big Unit and none since has gotten 300 k's in a season. Just last night in season 2025 6 pitchers got to 300! Very unrealistic. Yes, era's have been decreasing in real life but not like this. The freaking batting champion batted .298!

The performance progression is also to blame. If a B potential player plays well in the minors, he's almost guaranteed to become an A potential. After that, he's almost sure to progress to a 90 overall or higher.

If they don't patch this, everyone is going to have to edit 100+ players in their franchise modes. Every year. That would be lame.

By the way, this is with knights osfm rosters. No better than wih stock rosters.

[geisterhome]

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From which year does it become an obvious problem?

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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I think there is too much reward for pitchers, with the performance based progression. I see too many pitchers move significant bumps in progression (10 plus). I think it needs to be toned down a little or have it go the other way just as fast.

Too many STUD pitchers flood the league. Considering the default rosters have really good number 2 pitchers at 84-85 overall. In later seasons those level pitchers are AA-AAA caliber.

[sljivo]

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From which year does it become an obvious problem?

For me, year 5 was obvious with about 20 pitchers putting up cy young award stats. In year 8, strikeout totals are insane. 6 players reached the 300 mark.


They definitely need to tone down the performance based stats for pitchers. I had a crappy b potential sitting in aa and he skyrocketed to a 90 a potential in a few years. He's obviously going to do well in aa since he was a 70 and a b right? Do they really need to make him an a potential?

Im assuming the computer does this on their teams as well, hence the unreasonable pitching attributes.

[sljivo]

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I think there is too much reward for pitchers, with the performance based progression. I see too many pitchers move significant bumps in progression (10 plus). I think it needs to be toned down a little or have it go the other way just as fast.

Too many STUD pitchers flood the league. Considering the default rosters have really good number 2 pitchers at 84-85 overall. In later seasons those level pitchers are AA-AAA caliber.

Yes! Exactly my point. One year my triple A staff looked like it could take a bad offensive team to the world series.

There are a lot of smart people on these forums. Since the developers didn't fix this, we have to somehow work around it. I doub they will nerf the pitcher progression.
Smart people! Lets think of something smart! I really dont want to sit in front of my tv editing drafted pitchers for an hour. Id rather be playing the game i spen money for.

Can anyone think of a global way to solve pitcher progression without individually editing cpu potentials?

Please help us long term franchise users!

By they way, the only scea player still dominating in 2025 is clayton kershaw. He's in his mid30's and has 3,500 career strikeouts. Beast of a player.

[Cavicchi]

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Yes! Exactly my point. One year my triple A staff looked like it could take a bad offensive team to the world series.

There are a lot of smart people on these forums. Since the developers didn't fix this, we have to somehow work around it. I doub they will nerf the pitcher progression.
Smart people! Lets think of something smart! I really dont want to sit in front of my tv editing drafted pitchers for an hour. Id rather be playing the game i spen money for.

Can anyone think of a global way to solve pitcher progression without individually editing cpu potentials?

Please help us long term franchise users!

By they way, the only scea player still dominating in 2025 is clayton kershaw. He's in his mid30's and has 3,500 career strikeouts. Beast of a player.

Well, that's good to know because he's on my team! Of course, with me doing the pitching, Kershaw may wind up in the minors in 2025

[Ctstrohm]

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Bartolo Colon is 4-0 with a 0 ERA and somehow his attributes have went down three or four points in each category. Doesn't seem so performance based to me...


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[tabarnes19_SDS]

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I've been doing alot of thinking on progression/regression and performance. I still believe that performance has/and never will impact player growth. I believe everyone agrees that training does impact it to a degree.

What I would like to see is a totally revamped training and scouting setup. Teams could hire different training "companies." Each training company has a risk/reward to it.
Trainers A are maintenance specialists. They specialize in prolonging a players career. Their training style reduces the regression of older players. On the flip side younger prospects do not progress as quickly due to the training style.

Trainers B. are neutral. They develop and maintain players. Progression of prospects is moderate and regression is moderate.

Trainers C are Prospect centered. Their job is develop young prospects. There is more growth from younger players and a greater risk of rapid regression with older players.

Of course there would be varying qualities of each trainer and the they would have attribute ratings as well. The better they are the more expensive. They can even progress. (think nba2k with scouts having a potential rating)

As far as scouting you would have major league scouts. There job would be to "scout" major league rosters. They would give a scouts take of what they player rating is, with accuracy based on the ability of the scout, this could even allow for error so that even the best scouts are not 100% accurate. By doing this teams would value players differently. One team that feels another player on a different team is a 80 may trade a couple good prospects when the team that owns that player only values him as a 74.

To work with the crowd that wants to see performance impact. I think the place where performance actually has an impact is in confidence, which could be translated through progression/regression in the clutch rating. High performance can increase the clutch.

With these changes the only way to see the actual ratings and potential would be through the player edit screen.

[sljivo]

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Bartolo Colon is 4-0 with a 0 ERA and somehow his attributes have went down three or four points in each category. Doesn't seem so performance based to me...


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Bartolo colon is 40 yrs old. Of course he's going to regress. Maybe if he didnt play well he'd regress even more, like 6 points.

Who knows.

Overall, the performance progression seems to me to just alter a players potential rating when he's young and in the minors. The league just becomes flooded with A's and B's. Someone earlier mentioned nfl blitz and how broken it was. Somehing similar is happening here.