Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

[Steven78]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

The entire bunting mechanic needsca complete overhaul imo.

Just hitting a button and getting down perfect bunts is ridiculous. You should have to aim just like swinging.

[cardinalbird5]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Maybe you should have to use a separate cursor to bunt and bunt rating affects how big ur cursor is when bunting. This way there takes some skill and user input when bunting.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Maybe you should have to use a separate cursor to bunt and bunt rating affects how big ur cursor is when bunting. This way there takes some skill and user input when bunting.

That doesn't really help my issue although I like the idea. My problem is that it's the cpu that bunts perfect everytime. When I bunt it goes foul or other things quite a bit.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Ugh here's a video of the end of my last game.

https://youtu.be/kKU1_p8w-a0

I'm so sick of this. I've lost 4 games now this way. it seems that a bunch of little things that are just plain broken with this game are starting to out weigh the things I'm enjoying. mlb the show is my favorite game every year but I'm starting to get jaded. I thought the patch was suppose to help this garbage.

[bcruise]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Ugh here's a video of the end of my last game.

https://youtu.be/kKU1_p8w-a0

I'm so sick of this. I've lost 4 games now this way. it seems that a bunch of little things that are just plain broken with this game are starting to out weigh the things I'm enjoying. mlb the show is my favorite game every year but I'm starting to get jaded. I thought the patch was suppose to help this garbage.

Thanks for posting that. That's pretty crazy - especially the bunt out of the strike zone. That's something I haven't seen post patch.

It's definitely sac bunting twice in a row like that because of the game situation - it's trying to push the winning run across. That's clear enough because it's squaring so early. When the first bunt goes for a hit instead of a sacrifice it snowballs and, because there's still nobody out the game situation dictates that they do it again to make scoring that run an even higher percentage chance.

I plugged this situation into the Community Challenge thing and I think I can see what's going on here. With a runner on 1st, the default defense holds the runner on 1st but plays the 3rd baseman back. Problem is, 1B doesn't charge the bunt once the batter squares - it's up to the Pitcher and Catcher. Throw is late, and it's first and 2nd.

Now think about the situation - winning run at 2nd, nobody out. I know the AL guys don't like this kind of thing, but getting that runner to 3rd with less than 2 out sets up a very high chance of winning the game. That's the reason for the second bunt. Of course, 3rd is STILL playing back and 1B doesn't charge so the situation repeats.

The solution to this, as it exists right now in the game, is for the user to shift the 3rd baseman individually into bunt defense, which will cause BOTH the 1st and 3rd basemen to charge after the batter squares (1B will still hold the runner on). It'll be the pitcher or the 2B covering 1st on the throw - and if it's the pitcher he might still lose the race to the bag against a speed guy like Bourn. But at least it's a higher percentage play than what the default gives you.

BTW...in the challenge scenario I tried this many times, controlling both teams. Whether I was batting or pitching it played out very similarly - that is, the CPU can't defend this correctly either.

All of that said....the defense not covering this correctly in the auto shift really needs to be fixed.

[CujoMatty]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Thanks for posting that. That's pretty crazy - especially the bunt out of the strike zone. That's something I haven't seen post patch.

It's definitely sac bunting twice in a row like that because of the game situation - it's trying to push the winning run across. That's clear enough because it's squaring so early. When the first bunt goes for a hit instead of a sacrifice it snowballs and, because there's still nobody out the game situation dictates that they do it again to make scoring that run an even higher percentage chance.

I plugged this situation into the Community Challenge thing and I think I can see what's going on here. With a runner on 1st, the default defense holds the runner on 1st but plays the 3rd baseman back. Problem is, 1B doesn't charge the bunt once the batter squares - it's up to the Pitcher and Catcher. Throw is late, and it's first and 2nd.

Now think about the situation - winning run at 2nd, nobody out. I know the AL guys don't like this kind of thing, but getting that runner to 3rd with less than 2 out sets up a very high chance of winning the game. That's the reason for the second bunt. Of course, 3rd is STILL playing back and 1B doesn't charge so the situation repeats.

The solution to this, as it exists right now in the game, is for the user to shift the 3rd baseman individually into bunt defense, which will cause BOTH the 1st and 3rd basemen to charge after the batter squares (1B will still hold the runner on). It'll be the pitcher or the 2B covering 1st on the throw - and if it's the pitcher he might still lose the race to the bag against a speed guy like Bourn. But at least it's a higher percentage play than what the default gives you.

BTW...in the challenge scenario I tried this many times, controlling both teams. Whether I was batting or pitching it played out very similarly - that is, the CPU can't defend this correctly either.

All of that said....the defense not covering this correctly in the auto shift really needs to be fixed.

The strategy by the cpu is solid and that doesn't bug me so much other than maybe the squeeze play. There is 2 things in my video that really eats at me. 1 on the first bunt I'm controlling the catcher and he just runs over the ball because an animation for the pitcher had started it seems like. If it would have let me pick it up with the catcher I would have got him out at first. 2nd thing is that the cpu doesn't ever foul off or miss or even just lays a crappy bunt down. It's always perfect or almost perfect. I've seen the cpu bunt I bet 50 times and I've never seen a foul ball or a miss. I'm not kidding not 1 foul ball. There was literally nothing I could do in that video but bend over.

[My993C2]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

"You're kidding me right? I mean you've got to be kidding me."

Even the in game commentary is shocked at how the game plays.

[bhnjkio]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

I just played the braves and Eric Young bunted all four times he was up to bat. Was stupid! Needs to be resolved.

[msmith05]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Ugh here's a video of the end of my last game.

https://youtu.be/kKU1_p8w-a0

I'm so sick of this. I've lost 4 games now this way. it seems that a bunch of little things that are just plain broken with this game are starting to out weigh the things I'm enjoying. mlb the show is my favorite game every year but I'm starting to get jaded. I thought the patch was suppose to help this garbage.

You prolly won't want to do this but I went to manual fielding and this has cut this garbage at least 75 %

[Wavebird99]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Complaining about bunt variety falls a bit into the "trivial" category for me - the CPU almost never bunts anyway (unless its a pitcher), and in most cases its a solid, not amazing bunt. I'm not opposed to the CPU being pretty able to consistently bunt runners along.

In fact, I'd probably be more annoyed if the opposite was in effect. So yeah, I'm not really uproarious about this at all.

[Wavebird99]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

You prolly won't want to do this but I went to manual fielding and this has cut this garbage at least 75 %

What I will say is that by default the fielding sliders arent great. I like the game, but I think heres actually been a step back in fielding this year when compared to 14.

Turn down runner speed, turn up fielder reaction (but turn down their speed as well - on default guys are a little too skaty for me) and you will avoid alot of what you saw there.

Even with there supposed "adjustments" to avoid rushing a throw to first on routine grounders, default still has far too many guys beating out grounders.

[BrianU]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Complaining about bunt variety falls a bit into the "trivial" category for me - the CPU almost never bunts anyway (unless its a pitcher), and in most cases its a solid, not amazing bunt. I'm not opposed to the CPU being pretty able to consistently bunt runners along.

In fact, I'd probably be more annoyed if the opposite was in effect. So yeah, I'm not really uproarious about this at all.

Why not have it tuned according to the real life statistics as far as sac bunts and bunts for hits? No reason it shouldnt be, everything else is done that way to the smallest detail like strike percentage of full count pitches... What we really need is a bunt success slider, just like a trade frequency slider. I understand the devs may not have time to test everything but give the power to the community. Outsource as much as possible we will figure out what is best.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Ugh here's a video of the end of my last game.

https://youtu.be/kKU1_p8w-a0

I'm so sick of this. I've lost 4 games now this way. it seems that a bunch of little things that are just plain broken with this game are starting to out weigh the things I'm enjoying. mlb the show is my favorite game every year but I'm starting to get jaded. I thought the patch was suppose to help this garbage.

There must be some kind of odd thing going on because I have been playing the show since 09 and I have not once seen the CPU try to bunt the winning run home and I have never seen the CPU bunt more then like 2 times in the same inning. This is like the opposite of what the CPU dose against me. I just don't get how people like you have this happened but other people like me don't have the CPU do this to them.

[nomo17k]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

There must be some kind of odd thing going on because I have been playing the show since 09 and I have not once seen the CPU try to bunt the winning run home and I have never seen the CPU bunt more then like 2 times in the same inning. This is like the opposite of what the CPU dose against me. I just don't get how people like you have this happened but other people like me don't have the CPU do this to them.

In my CPU vs. CPU games, I'm seeing bunting/squeezing in late innings in many (probably majority?) close games (tied, one-run, etc.) I think.

Has anyone filed a bug report on this yet? I think there are issues on bunt success rate as well as frequency of attempting...

If necessary, I believe it's not impossible for me to count the number of occurrences in game logs, but it's such a glaring issue that I don't even think that is necessary.

[HouseKeepinItReal]

Re: Bunts are such a glaring problem compared to everything else

Bunts are such a glaring problem it shouldn't even be allowed. Baseball on ice, now that's a solution.