Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

[canes21]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

Lol, what? Yes, if a player has a better rated team, they do have an edge as they should.

[KBLover]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

Yes ratings should be involved when it comes to player attributes, but not giving the better team the edge just because they're rated better. Human skill is completely out the window when that happens.

Okay so what should be the difference between a 50 contact hitter and a 90 contact hitter?

Making the 90 hitter better at making contact would be ratings based. He should also have the advantage over a 50 contact hitter.

Likewise, a pitcher with 80 H/9 vs a hitter with 45 contact - shouldn't he pitcher have the advantage?

Doesn't mean the 45 contact hitter can't get a hit, but your human skill should be challenged more based on the match up. If not, then what's the point of ratings?

Even manipulating the size of the PCI or timing window is not "all" human skill (the game is still dictating your general chance of success).

How do you propose the game to represent player ability without impacting human skill?

If anything, I always think PvP in sports games minimizes ratings. Why bother worrying about having good players if your skill overcomes their bad abilities? That seems as unrealistic as if the game forced outcomes. I want my skill to be able to maximize what my PLAYERS can do - not make them perfect if my input was perfect. If I have Hechavarria, I have Hechavarria. He shouldn't turn into Trout because I had perfect input.

[Artman22]

Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

Lol, what? Yes, if a player has a better rated team, they do have an edge as they should.

So you would feel perfectly fine if you're losing to someone who has half your skills and baseball iq, but is solely winning because he has a better team? And even if you're perfectly timing your hits and hitting solid with your PCI you shouldn't get those hits because you have the inferior team? And struggle to score any runs on the better team because you have the inferior team?


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[Smooth Pancakes]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

So you would feel perfectly fine if you're losing to someone who has half your skills and baseball iq, but is solely winning because he has a better team? And even if you're perfectly timing your hits and hitting solid with your PCI you shouldn't get those hits because you have the inferior team? And struggle to score any runs on the better team because you have the inferior team?


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Yep, pretty much.

[thescottyglasgow]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

Yep, pretty much.

I would like it be that you are a manager/coach effecting the players. If I hit good timing in the zone middle or bottom half of the PCI, I want at the very least a lineout or sharp grounder... In real life there are stretches when players hit or pitch like hall of famers but then other periods where they seem helpless and everything is out of whack Shelby Miller Ubaldo Jimenez Ian Desmond for example. I want it to be if I am hitting all the spots and timing everything perfect then a lower rated player can easily succeed against the better rated player because the better player is late with timing or swinging at bad balls. I the coach/manager am teaching the lower rated player to swing at the good balls and lay off the bad balls and to adjust mechanics to get timing down or to get pitching mechanics perfect to hit the corners and not leave meatballs over the plate.

[canes21]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

I would like it be that you are a manager/coach effecting the players. If I hit good timing in the zone middle or bottom half of the PCI, I want at the very least a lineout or sharp grounder... In real life there are stretches when players hit or pitch like hall of famers but then other periods where they seem helpless and everything is out of whack Shelby Miller Ubaldo Jimenez Ian Desmond for example. I want it to be if I am hitting all the spots and timing everything perfect then a lower rated player can easily succeed against the better rated player because the better player is late with timing or swinging at bad balls. I the coach/manager am teaching the lower rated player to swing at the good balls and lay off the bad balls and to adjust mechanics to get timing down or to get pitching mechanics perfect to hit the corners and not leave meatballs over the plate.

And you can adust the difficulty level and sliders to the point where user input heavily outweighs ratings. The problem is people want to stay on Hall of Fame for a pride factor or something. I used to be like that. It had to be sliders for Hall of Fame, All Madden, etc. Then I realized I can make the game play how I want on other levels. So now I play with my own sliders on all star and get a game that plays exactly how I want it to.

[raneman85]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

Has zero to do with how tired I am. I had no trouble hitting on time with previous versions. Why does it always have to be the person playing the problem? Can it be that the devs changed it in this years game?


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Dude, had nothing to do with your expertise playing level. I agree with you, the developer changed a few things which caused me (not you) to make a few adjustments. Was just making a friendly comment on a post you wrote which I no longer give a crap about. Enjoy your hitting.

[Detroitfan4life1993]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

Anyone else really struggle to pull fastballs? No matter what I try I just can't seem to pull fastballs and I really struggle to hit home runs because of it.

[canes21]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

I used to, but I realized I was never looking for them. I was backwards and always lookimh off speed and adjusted for the fast ball. I think the rdiculous change ups made me that way.

Once I flipped my mindset around, I've been able to pull them a lot better which has helped my hitting a great amount.

[Detroitfan4life1993]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

I used to, but I realized I was never looking for them. I was backwards and always lookimh off speed and adjusted for the fast ball. I think the rdiculous change ups made me that way.

Once I flipped my mindset around, I've been able to pull them a lot better which has helped my hitting a great amount.

You might be right. I think I might just start looking for fastballs every at bat.

[bigd51]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

You might be right. I think I might just start looking for fastballs every at bat.

Here's a cheap tip. Sometimes, if I'm facing a pitcher with say 3 fastball pitches all around the same speed and one off speed pitch like a change-up that's much slower than the other pitches, I guess the off speed pitch without guessing location, so the beep will alert me the change-up is coming. I do this before every pitch.

Reason for this is with the fastballs around the same speeds, you will know if you don't hear feedback from the guess pitch on a change-up that a fastball is coming and to swing fast. If you hear the feedback, the change-ups coming and you'll know to hold back.

You can also do this with a pitcher with one fast pitch and 3 mid to lower 80's pitches. Just guess the fast pitch every play. If it beeps, swing fast. If it doesn't, prepare to hold off.

It's not a flawless option, but an option nonetheless.

[canes21]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

That's not a bad idea. I personally don't use guess pitch, but that definitely is a good idea for those that use it

[Bobhead]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

I don't think timing or speed were drastically changed this year. What WAS changed is the pitch trajectories. Every pitch moves in a completely different manner than it moved in previous years. So it could be that you are not properly adjusted to the new trajectories, and thus your recognition is lagging behind previous years (which would make you late a lot).

Try experimenting with different camera angles and work on really reading and recognizing the pitches, directly out of the hands of the pitchers.

[tdogg097]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

I was a firm believer that the timing was off in this year's version. I was hitting at AS with the only slider adjustment was to bump up human timing to 6. Even with this adjustment I was late on 95% of fastballs and my splits were probably 10% pull, 30% center, 60% oppo. If it wasn't a fastball then I was usually early.


I could not figure out how to have good timing against the fastball to the point I tuned pitch speed to 4 and that still didn't help. Then I read this thread and saw someone mention watching the ball out of the pitchers hand. I can tell you this makes all the difference for me personally. My timing was so much better I actually tuned the timing/pitch speed to 5. I have even been early on 4FB which may have happened 1% of the time before. I will say since making the adjustment I have struggled to hit a bit but I chalk that up to inexperience with this new approach.

[bigd51]

Re: Why is batting timing so off in MLB 15?

I don't think timing or speed were drastically changed this year. What WAS changed is the pitch trajectories. Every pitch moves in a completely different manner than it moved in previous years. So it could be that you are not properly adjusted to the new trajectories, and thus your recognition is lagging behind previous years (which would make you late a lot).

Try experimenting with different camera angles and work on really reading and recognizing the pitches, directly out of the hands of the pitchers.

Something I haven't thought of... this could be very true considering the new trajectory preview they added to this years game. They may have had to tune the trajectories of each pitch to mimic the trajectory preview as close as possible, thus pitches could look much different because in previous years, we could never truly see a visual of the pitches complete trajectory, so we don't have a visual preview of how the trajectories looked in the past.

I was a firm believer that the timing was off in this year's version. I was hitting at AS with the only slider adjustment was to bump up human timing to 6. Even with this adjustment I was late on 95% of fastballs and my splits were probably 10% pull, 30% center, 60% oppo. If it wasn't a fastball then I was usually early.


I could not figure out how to have good timing against the fastball to the point I tuned pitch speed to 4 and that still didn't help. Then I read this thread and saw someone mention watching the ball out of the pitchers hand. I can tell you this makes all the difference for me personally. My timing was so much better I actually tuned the timing/pitch speed to 5. I have even been early on 4FB which may have happened 1% of the time before. I will say since making the adjustment I have struggled to hit a bit but I chalk that up to inexperience with this new approach.

As Bobhead said too, I would also recommend experimenting with different camera angles as well. Even the cameras set up behind the pitcher. I was like you, but started playing with different cameras and tried the broadcast views while batting for the first time and now, the broadcast views are all I use. I can even hit now with pitch speed set to 7 or 8 because of the broadcast view and can even read breaks and control my plate discipline on an insanely accurate level now. Damn near every at bat now, I can work the count deep and making the pitchers throw many more pitches during the game.

I know you might think you'll 'reset' all the progress you've made by trying out a new camera, but from my experience, if you don't like the other ones, it isn't hard at all to readjust to the camera you were using before. So don't be afraid to give it a shot if you want to try and improve more.