Pitching windup animations - list a pitcher that needs a new MoCap

[Flaxseed Oil]

Re: Pitching windup animations - list a pitcher that needs a new MoCap

Excellent post TheMrMan. I pitched in college, and I can tell you it's important to 'tuck' the front side. Pitchers are taught to do it not only for control reasons, but to avoid excess strain on the shoulder which can lead to serious injuries.

If SCEA wants to fly me out for a weekend, I'd be happy to record like 25 pitching motions.

[strawberryshortcake]

Re: Pitching windup animations - list a pitcher that needs a new MoCap

Excellent post TheMrMan. I pitched in college, and I can tell you it's important to 'tuck' the front side. Pitchers are taught to do it not only for control reasons, but to avoid excess strain on the shoulder which can lead to serious injuries.

If SCEA wants to fly me out for a weekend, I'd be happy to record like 25 pitching motions.

... only 25 pitching motion? I think they need to replace most if not all their pitching motions. The follow through, arm velocity, body english is simply not there with MLBtheShow's pitching animations.

[ralphus8]

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What I see with MLBtheShow pitchers is someone who is "tossing" the ball as oppose to actually "pitching" a real baseball with force. There is a lack of realistic body english on follow through. There is a lack of realistic strong leg kicks. There is a lack of realistic upper body/torso strong forceful follow through. There is a lack of realistic real body lean. There is a lack of realistic arm force follow through.

I agree with this. I like to use Sandy Koufax's delivery for my RTTS pitchers -- Koufax had a very violent delivery and it doesn't translate well in the video game.

I hope that animations and player models can be addressed in MLB17.

[Flaxseed Oil]

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I agree with this. I like to use Sandy Koufax's delivery for my RTTS pitchers -- Koufax had a very violent delivery and it doesn't translate well in the video game.

I hope that animations and player models can be addressed in MLB17.

I hope they can be addressed or HAVE been addressed in MLB 16

[ralphus8]

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I hope they can be addressed or HAVE been addressed in MLB 16

Looks like there are going to be some redone pitching animations as well as new pitching animations according to last night's gameplay stream, which is welcome news. I would be very surprised to see new player models for MLB16, though.

[Playboy™]

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I hope they fix Tanaka windup in the game.

[themrman]

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One game that does the piching animations really well is the konami japanese game. I know they pitch differently but if yiu see the animations and thejr real deliveries they are very similar.

https://youtu.be/SASbewQs5ZE

[Flaxseed Oil]

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I hope they fix Tanaka windup in the game.

Agreed. I use Shelby Miller's windup for Tanaka because the legkick is more accurate. But from the stretch they aren't even close.

[Factzzz]

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It doesn't look like the deliveries got any better this year, based on the streams so far. It looks like the same guy/people who did mocap last year did it this year again.

For Example, David Price got a new delivery, you can see it in the IGN stream, looks really bad again, no finish, basically halfway done, doesn't tuck the glove hand in.

I hope they find some new people or a new way to do the mocap for pitching deliveries next year because the direction pitching deliveries have been heading the past 2 years is not a good one.

The years before that it was looking good, don't know why they're going backwards.

[strawberryshortcake]

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It doesn't look like the deliveries got any better this year, based on the streams so far. It looks like the same guy/people who did mocap last year did it this year again.

For Example, David Price got a new delivery, you can see it in the IGN stream, looks really bad again, no finish, basically halfway done, doesn't tuck the glove hand in.

I hope they find some new people or a new way to do the mocap for pitching deliveries next year because the direction pitching deliveries have been heading the past 2 years is not a good one.

The years before that it was looking good, don't know why they're going backwards.

The following doesn't have to do with pitching but didn't want to at present create a new thread. I would when I have the time to back it up with gif images of real players vs MLBtheShow players.

It's not only the pitching deliveries either, it's also the throwing motion of the infielders and outfielders. From the looks of things, I'll being skipping MLBtheShow16. I still have PS4 14' but it has since been retired.

There is no way the team actually motion captured outfielder throwing motion from 365 feet away to home plate or to second base, or even third base. The "effort" and "motion" and "body language" and "follow through" of outfielders are also lacking unfortunately from what I can see. Specifically look at the arm motion. It's telling.

I see a lot of animations that doesn't "fit" properly. Some people may say it's due to user error/input control, but if you solely focus on the CPU, the same throwing motion and animations concerns are present. Nonchalant throws, lack of urgency, etc.

MLBtheShow may look like a pretty game with strong gameplay, but if it wants to take it to the next level, the team needs to actually start removing animation that doesn't fit, and implement contextual animations (that actually look athletically appropriate) that actually fit the scenario.

[themrman]

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They need to remove animations. The default generic 1 pitching motion is so bad it looks hilarious. I know they like guving u options but when random players take the mound with the deliveries it makes me laugh then cry because i dont understand why they cant fix it. I know they are trying to fix the pitching animations but its just kot working
Bluntly it looks terrible and it didnt get any better this year. The best were from mlb 11-12 when it a tually looked like baseball. Right now it looks like they got some random benchwarmer and got him to toss a ball half-assed.
I dont k ow why they cant get any decent mocaps. Im sure there are many pitchers who wouldnt mind recording their motions with a quick bullpen.

If 2k did it with lincecum in his prime im sure sony can do it with at least some minor leaguer.

At the least go through and get rid of all the janky looking motions. Remember though, old does not mean bad nessesarily. Some old ones are very nice. The billy wagner one is great. Generic 1 looks like 50 cent...
Thr new Dallas K motion looks promising the armation looks unbelievable. It looks incorrect from a biomechanics standpoint. No pitcher can pitch with that janky of an arm action and throw over 80.
Im sure whoever tried making the motions tried hard or maybe he is your friends. But the reality is that he is really bad at it and it cannot continue. It takes away from the realism.

Sorry for my bad typing because im tired and on my phone. That also will explain why i am so upset rn.

[MetsFanInPA]

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The following doesn't have to do with pitching but didn't want to at present create a new thread. I would when I have the time to back it up with gif images of real players vs MLBtheShow players.

It's not only the pitching deliveries either, it's also the throwing motion of the infielders and outfielders. From the looks of things, I'll being skipping MLBtheShow16. I still have PS4 14' but it has since been retired.

There is no way the team actually motion captured outfielder throwing motion from 365 feet away to home plate or to second base, or even third base. The "effort" and "motion" and "body language" and "follow through" of outfielders are also lacking unfortunately from what I can see. Specifically look at the arm motion. It's telling.

I see a lot of animations that doesn't "fit" properly. Some people may say it's due to user error/input control, but if you solely focus on the CPU, the same throwing motion and animations concerns are present. Nonchalant throws, lack of urgency, etc.

MLBtheShow may look like a pretty game with strong gameplay, but if it wants to take it to the next level, the team needs to actually start removing animation that doesn't fit, and implement contextual animations (that actually look athletically appropriate) that actually fit the scenario.

Good points here. When the rest of the game looks so tremendous, I agree that these sort of things stand out rather glaringly.

[Eman5805]

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Imagine if there was some amazing way to use videos to mocap. Like if there was a program that could take a loop of someone running and render it into a game engine.

Probably something that won't become real for a long time. But it's fun to dream.