MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[WaitTilNextYear]

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God, are we still debating Chris Archer's surplus value? lol

I didn't need to do the math to come to an obvious conclusion, but thanks AC. I mean are people even noticing what Kershaw's been doing lately? His stats are in another galaxy.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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And in my original post I wrote "Archer might be the most valuable pitcher in baseball" and was attacked by the usual suspects.

Key phrase: the usual suspects.

Yeah I couldn't resist (laughing the entire time I did this).

[pootytang]

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I'm not even sure if your first statement is factual but your second definitely isn't and I stopped reading there because I'm pretty sure you're the only one who gives a **** about this

Edit: Actually, no. You managed to piss me off enough that I actually did math. That's something in and of itself, and minus the fact that you were collectively noticed to have provided a valid point you continued your condescension while simultaneously being generally wrong.



Last year's surplus value + this year's Steamer(U) surplus value. It's basic math so I assumed I could take it at face value but you're factually wrong on last year, vastly wrong on this year, and egregiously wrong in saying that over the courses of their contracts that Archer projects for more surplus value. This doesn't even adjust for scarcity. It's not close. If you're going to run around this thread being petty and arrogant then be right, please. That's what I generally aim to do.

I did the math earlier by rounding their fwar to the nearest half just to make it easier to do mentally. I was off by about $700k no need to act so tough.

Not taking in to account the 60 innings the guys have pitched this year. We can get to that next year.

Need I remind you this discussion started about trade value and I've still seen absolutely no evidence that Kershaw has more trade value than Archer.
You also completely ignore the fact Archer has 6 more years of control than Kershaw.

The way you conduct discussion in this thread is really off-putting. Maybe there's a reason only 3 guys make up about 80% of the posts (and maybe it's not because of their vastly superior knowledge of baseball).

[Vtownwaves]

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Last time I asked about trading Arietta to the mets for Syndergaard. Even though the show will offer a trade with him in it for arietta, I get everyone's complaints. He's the future of the organization with a favorable contract while arrieta is due arbitration(and its gonna be a big contract).

So I've decided to go a different route entirely. I dont watch enough to know everyone anymore, so I dont know who to get for what I have. Here's my trading block, you tell me who your(or any) team would give for them. Combine any of them together for better players but I want more players than I give barring a better player in return. Whatever you would trade if you saw them available, I'll check it out. I have the os roster version 3.5.

96ovr SP Arrieta(30), 90ovr SP Jon Lester(32), 88ovr 2B Ben Zobrist(34), 88ovr CF Dexter Fowler(30), 83ovr SP John Lackey(37), 80ovr RP Pedro Strop(30), 79ovr SP Jason Hammel(33), 78ovr C Miguel Montero(32)


I'd also be willing to throw in someone like Jorge Soler or some other prospects in AAA-A in any trade. Of course I'd want something good in return(prospects or mlb ready). With the names listed, I'd need SP(at least 4 mlb ready 80+), 2nd base, cf, rp. Id like some more SS's as well as they can be moved anywhere in the infield usually(same for cf and the outfield).

[MindBeats]

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Last time I asked about trading Arietta to the mets for Syndergaard. Even though the show will offer a trade with him in it for arietta, I get everyone's complaints. He's the future of the organization with a favorable contract while arrieta is due arbitration(and its gonna be a big contract).

So I've decided to go a different route entirely. I dont watch enough to know everyone anymore, so I dont know who to get for what I have. Here's my trading block, you tell me who your(or any) team would give for them. Combine any of them together for better players but I want more players than I give barring a better player in return. Whatever you would trade if you saw them available, I'll check it out. I have the os roster version 3.5.

96ovr SP Arrieta(30), 90ovr SP Jon Lester(32), 88ovr 2B Ben Zobrist(34), 88ovr CF Dexter Fowler(30), 83ovr SP John Lackey(37), 80ovr RP Pedro Strop(30), 79ovr SP Jason Hammel(33), 78ovr C Miguel Montero(32)


I'd also be willing to throw in someone like Jorge Soler or some other prospects in AAA-A in any trade. Of course I'd want something good in return(prospects or mlb ready). With the names listed, I'd need SP(at least 4 mlb ready 80+), 2nd base, cf, rp. Id like some more SS's as well as they can be moved anywhere in the infield usually(same for cf and the outfield).

Im guessing you could get this world and the moon for how Arrieta is playing irl

[AC]

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I did the math earlier by rounding their fwar to the nearest half just to make it easier to do mentally. I was off by about $700k no need to act so tough.

Chill out dude. You were wrong about Kershaw, no big deal. Happens to everyone. I promise not to hold it against you

[kenp86]

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I don't have numbers as I'm currently working, but is a Teheran to Boston for swihart and Owens deal possible? Would I have to throw in a prospect to Boston?

Also, I run Colorado as well and what kind of young pitchers can I get for CarGo? Second year, he's batting roughly .280-.290 and 11 HRs just after the draft.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't have numbers as I'm currently working, but is a Teheran to Boston for swihart and Owens deal possible? Would I have to throw in a prospect to Boston?

Also, I run Colorado as well and what kind of young pitchers can I get for CarGo? Second year, he's batting roughly .280-.290 and 11 HRs just after the draft.

That seems in the right range for Teheran. We mentioned a Swihart centered deal a while back for him. I don't think it would take a Braves prospect headed back unless you switched Owens for someone like Espinoza.


CarGo in year 2 is a rental. He could still command a young pitcher, but it will depend on which teams are contending and need a strong OF bat. If you can get us a list of who is contending it would help try to find a partner. Think the Cespedes deal, or the Jay Bruce deal that fell through (Wheeler) as a framework

[MindBeats]

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I don't have numbers as I'm currently working, but is a Teheran to Boston for swihart and Owens deal possible? Would I have to throw in a prospect to Boston?

Also, I run Colorado as well and what kind of young pitchers can I get for CarGo? Second year, he's batting roughly .280-.290 and 11 HRs just after the draft.

I have recently traded CarGo for Eduardo Rodriguez + Travis from Boston

[HartmanTeets6]

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I have recently traded CarGo for Eduardo Rodriguez + Travis from Boston

Boston isn't doing this,ever. Not ever. Maybe a straight up swap for Sam Travis but not E-Rod. He's a 23 year old front line rotation starter already. Sam Travis is considered the future 1B, and I'm not sure they'd even give him up straight up for Car Go and his contract.

[kenp86]

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That seems in the right range for Teheran. We mentioned a Swihart centered deal a while back for him. I don't think it would take a Braves prospect headed back unless you switched Owens for someone like Espinoza.


CarGo in year 2 is a rental. He could still command a young pitcher, but it will depend on which teams are contending and need a strong OF bat. If you can get us a list of who is contending it would help try to find a partner. Think the Cespedes deal, or the Jay Bruce deal that fell through (Wheeler) as a framework

I run the Sox as well and didn't want to feel like I was just helping one team out more than the other and felt this was the closest thing to realize as I could get and possibly the best I could get from anyone as Atlanta sorely needs a catcher.

And on CarGo, basically a high b and c then? Fulmer being the high b and cessa the c prospect?

[MindBeats]

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Boston isn't doing this,ever. Not ever. Maybe a straight up swap for Sam Travis but not E-Rod. He's a 23 year old front line rotation starter already. Sam Travis is considered the future 1B, and I'm not sure they'd even give him up straight up for Car Go and his contract.

Oh really? I didn't realize that. Should I get ERod back in Boston?

[k_mac]

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96ovr SP Arrieta(30), 90ovr SP Jon Lester(32), 88ovr 2B Ben Zobrist(34), 88ovr CF Dexter Fowler(30), 83ovr SP John Lackey(37), 80ovr RP Pedro Strop(30), 79ovr SP Jason Hammel(33), 78ovr C Miguel Montero(32)

I would suggest doing a fantasy draft if you're looking to get rid of 30+% of the MLB roster. It would be much easier than trying to trade all of those guys. You'd have pretty much everyone you'd want that way as well.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Oh really? I didn't realize that. Should I get ERod back in Boston?

I think you did fine. If anything you should overpay a touch in trades when you're not positive. Travis has a torn ACL and isn't a top 100 prospect or a top 10 first base prospect. Corner infielders need to have a good deal of power for the bat to profile and I don't think many see that in Travis even if he has an above average hit tool.

[adamj2281]

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So, not to beat a dead horse, but Boston's SP is suspect at best and they are 3 games out of AL East on July 11, so........

Braves Get:
Andrew Benintendi (A Propect I believe)
Blake Swihart (LF/C struggling in the game - AAA)
Michael Chavis (B- 3B prospect)

Red Sox Get:
Julio Teheran
Some RP help, either Ogando or Johnson, or frankly any of them except Vizcaino.

Obviously not the haul that Miller got, but Benintendi can slide into LF in 2017, with Incarte moving to RF, Smith in CF. Swihart is starting Catcher with Tyler Flowers spelling him.

Rio Ruiz will start at 3B in 2017 with Chavis possibly challenging him that year or more likely in 2018.