MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Some baseball guy with ESPN released a video today saying the White Sox should trade Chris Sale to the Red Sox (COMPLETE speculation, no actual reports of this, probably won't even happen) but I was curious what a package for Sale would look like. For starters would it cost more or less for Sale than for Sonny Gray? Would a package of Blake Swihart, Rafael Devers, Michael Kopech, and Henry Owens be a good start?

You're starting with Mookie or Xander and adding.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Some baseball guy with ESPN released a video today saying the White Sox should trade Chris Sale to the Red Sox (COMPLETE speculation, no actual reports of this, probably won't even happen) but I was curious what a package for Sale would look like. For starters would it cost more or less for Sale than for Sonny Gray? Would a package of Blake Swihart, Rafael Devers, Michael Kopech, and Henry Owens be a good start?

Why does every Red Sox proposal include Blake Swihart and Henry Owens? I mean, literally every single one? It's just bizarre.

Moncada would be a good start. Mookie Betts would be a good start. Anderson Espinoza would be a decent start. etc

[Shamhat1915]

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Back with my Yankees franchise. Midway through June, and we're out of it. Well, basically out of it as we are 11 games back. Still looking to unload, and I would like to send Brian McCann to the Rangers. I'm not sure how realistic it would be with his salary, but let's take "realism" out of the equation for the moment. What would be a fair package for McCann? This is the stat line for McCann at this point in the season: .274/.333/.448 with 8 homeruns and 37 RBI's with a 1.9 WAR. He's been the best hitter on our team along with Carlos Beltran, who's posting similar numbers.

Speaking of Beltran, what would be a fair trade if I were to send him to KC as a rental? They need a corner outfielder after a season-ending injury suffered by Alex Gordon. Again, not focused more on realism at the moment, but fairness to get some idea.

[redsoxfan31]

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Why does every Red Sox proposal include Blake Swihart and Henry Owens? I mean, literally every single one? It's just bizarre.

Moncada would be a good start. Mooke Betts would be a good start. Anderson Espinoza would be a decent start. etc

Because around here (the Boston area) it's been made known that Moncada, Betts, Bogaerts, and Espinoza in some cases are non-starters. Sox aren't going to trade their highest of high end talent, and I think Swihart is usually a starting piece because unfortunately his defense is far behind the defensive stalwart Vazquez. Owens is usually included because he's a change of scenery guy, he's been good in past season's in the minors but hasn't been able to put it together in Boston. The 3 guys I listed above aren't going to be traded for anybody unless Mike Trout or Kershaw are coming back in return, Espinoza would be available in a trade for the top end pitchers because someone like Fernandez is a developed version of Espinoza so why not skip the development. Sorry for the long winded answer but I just wanted to give a somewhat of an inside look into the minds of Red Sox nation and some of the things Dealin Dave Dombrowski has said

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Because around here (the Boston area) it's been made known that Moncada, Betts, Bogaerts, and Espinoza in some cases are non-starters. Sox aren't going to trade their highest of high end talent, and I think Swihart is usually a starting piece because unfortunately his defense is far behind the defensive stalwart Vazquez. Owens is usually included because he's a change of scenery guy, he's been good in past season's in the minors but hasn't been able to put it together in Boston. The 3 guys I listed above aren't going to be traded for anybody unless Mike Trout or Kershaw are coming back in return, Espinoza would be available in a trade for the top end pitchers because someone like Fernandez is a developed version of Espinoza so why not skip the development. Sorry for the long winded answer but I just wanted to give a somewhat of an inside look into the minds of Red Sox nation and some of the things Dealin Dave Dombrowski has said

To be brief. If you deem them nonstarters stop trying to get elite players. Teams aren't giving you a top 5 pitcher without giving better talent.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Because around here (the Boston area) it's been made known that Moncada, Betts, Bogaerts, and Espinoza in some cases are non-starters. Sox aren't going to trade their highest of high end talent, and I think Swihart is usually a starting piece because unfortunately his defense is far behind the defensive stalwart Vazquez. Owens is usually included because he's a change of scenery guy, he's been good in past season's in the minors but hasn't been able to put it together in Boston. The 3 guys I listed above aren't going to be traded for anybody unless Mike Trout or Kershaw are coming back in return, Espinoza would be available in a trade for the top end pitchers because someone like Fernandez is a developed version of Espinoza so why not skip the development. Sorry for the long winded answer but I just wanted to give a somewhat of an inside look into the minds of Red Sox nation and some of the things Dealin Dave Dombrowski has said

I appreciate the response, but it is still very bizarre that every Red Sox trade scenario is built around dealing Swihart + Owens for ___________________. 99% of the time, the answer is going to be no because people keep filling the blank with Sale, Jose Fernandez, Stanton, etc etc.

[CBoller1331]

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As a general rule for acquiring superstar talent, you are going to have to trade at least one player who you deem untouchable. There's just no other way to get a deal done.

ESPECIALLY if the team you are trading with has no reason to trade the player you want.

With Sale or Fernandez, sure weve heard rumors that teams have asked about them. But that doesn't mean that the Sox or the Marlins are actively shopping them around. There's a reason that those are just rumors and nothing more....because the starting point for any of those trades is an "untouchable prospect" ++.

So if youre trying to make a deal a superstar, it is going to hurt. You won't get away with dealing a bunch of second tier prospects.

[redsoxfan31]

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The only reason I asked about Chris Sale with that package was because I haven't seen any packages for Sonny Gray that include Moncada, Bogaerts, or Betts. So I was just wondering where the line of great pitcher (Gray) crosses into the line of elite (Chris Sale, Jose Fernandez) didn't know what the difference of values were between those two tiers

[Zim]

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Its July 26th 2016 in my franchise and I am looking at doing something like

Red Sox get Teheran 4-8 3.82 ERA 2.8 WAR and Vizcaino 25 saves 0.62 WAR

Braves get Benintendi .292 15HR 57 RBI 12 SB in AA and Kopech 5-6 4.23 ERA 124 SO 112 Innings

I assume I have to give up another peice but I am not sure how valuable it needs to be. I could maybe give up a bit more and get B. Davidson back, I read some Braves fans think Wren might push for a few of his guys back in a trade and after Benintendi leaves my OF prospect depth is pretty bad unless I shift YM to LF, which I might due if the game doesn't start forcing Pedroias ratings to nosedive soon.

Unlike a lot of my fellow fans I understand that you have to lose talent to get it and as much as losing nintendo sucks the Red Sox need a young starter with team control and both these arms have at least three years of control I think.

Could Owens be another peice, unlike real life, he is pitching well in AAA 7-6 2.71 134 SO 138 Innings

[GamecocksLaw17]

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The only reason I asked about Chris Sale with that package was because I haven't seen any packages for Sonny Gray that include Moncada, Bogaerts, or Betts. So I was just wondering where the line of great pitcher (Gray) crosses into the line of elite (Chris Sale, Jose Fernandez) didn't know what the difference of values were between those two tiers

Sale is controlled through 2019 at a super reasonable rate. It tops out at $13.5 million. And the A's would ask for Moncada to trade Gray, and we have probably already said so in this thread. You mentioned those 3 as only for a Kershaw/Trout type, and thats not true unless you meant all 3 in the same deal.

[CBoller1331]

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The only reason I asked about Chris Sale with that package was because I haven't seen any packages for Sonny Gray that include Moncada, Bogaerts, or Betts. So I was just wondering where the line of great pitcher (Gray) crosses into the line of elite (Chris Sale, Jose Fernandez) didn't know what the difference of values were between those two tiers

Makes sense. Sale is definitely in the elite range that would cost ton....Sonny Gray is good, but well below the 'elite' tier

[CBoller1331]

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Unlike a lot of my fellow fans I understand that you have to lose talent to get it and as much as losing nintendo sucks the Red Sox need a young starter with team control and both these arms have at least three years of control I think.

That would suck......

And i don't really think you need to include another top prospect, maybe another high C.

[k_mac]

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How the mighty have fallen..

I remember when Swihart was the catcher of the future and both him and Owens were the type of "high end talent" that wouldn't be traded for anything short of *insert incredibly valuable superstar here*.

Also, Sale >>>>>> Gray.

[Bard]

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How the mighty have fallen..

I remember when Swihart was the catcher of the future and both him and Owens were the type of "high end talent" that wouldn't be traded for anything short of *insert incredibly valuable superstar here*.

Also, Sale >>>>>> Gray.

I honestly just think we're ready to stop counting on prospects and get talent that will help us now. I know I am.

I love both Swihart and Owens, but I wouldn't be sad to see them go anymore to be honest. They both used to be top prospects, and they both hold solid value, but we do need to add in an Epinoza or a Benintendi for an elite arm or bat.

[Tmizzle]

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I honestly just think we're ready to stop counting on prospects and get talent that will help us now. I know I am.

I love both Swihart and Owens, but I wouldn't be sad to see them go anymore to be honest. They both used to be top prospects, and they both hold solid value, but we do need to add in an Epinoza or a Benintendi for an elite arm or bat.

As I am the Twins,if I had a chance to acquire a guy like Sale, I would easily give up Gordon and Jay to start and add onto that