MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Daonlyjmo7]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

I don't know how many times I have to say it. 80 grade power doesn't get traded. If it will get traded it would be for a long term controlled piece or an ace. An 85 wRC+ as a 21 year old rookie is hardly helpless. I can give you examples of players who struggled their first 30 some games as a rookie, but most weren't 21 when they debuted. Gallo also has his k% at 28.9% in AAA this season, so it seems like there is improvement there.

You don't trade for what Gallo is right now. You trade for the value his bat will provide over the 6 years of team control. There is a very reasonable chance that those 6 years are substantially more valuable than 2 years of Ross.

Let's assume Ross would be a 4 WAR pitcher in 2016 and 2017. He's making $9.6 million in 2016 and if he was that successful he would bump over $15 million for 2017. So 2 years $25 to be conservative. (8*4*2=64-25=$39 million surplus value) That only leaves about $40 million in surplus which just doesn't get a top-10 prospect.

I understand that, but a guy who has a close to 40% K percentage is very risky. I also think that Miller is a very fair benchmark, because while the DBacks obviously way overpass, the Rangers could be a Tyson Ross away from a World Series appearance. I honestly don't love Gallo, but the 80 grade power is fun and I feel like it is a move Preller could make. Also. Don't forget about the fact that Norris could be included too.

What if I went even further and added Rodney? The Rangers were rumored to be targeting him before he went to the Marlins. To make the contracts work out, I would add one of Mitch Moreland, Coly Lewis, Derek Holland, or I could take on the awful contract of Shin-Soo Choo. I would be giving them Ross, Norris, and Rodney.

I feel like it would be crazy for the Rangers to say no, and I also feel like the Padres get a player with sky high potential. What do you think about that package?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I understand that, but a guy who has a close to 40% K percentage is very risky. I also think that Miller is a very fair benchmark, because while the DBacks obviously way overpass, the Rangers could be a Tyson Ross away from a World Series appearance. I honestly don't love Gallo, but the 80 grade power is fun and I feel like it is a move Preller could make. Also. Don't forget about the fact that Norris could be included too.

What if I went even further and added Rodney? The Rangers were rumored to be targeting him before he went to the Marlins. To make the contracts work out, I would add one of Mitch Moreland, Coly Lewis, Derek Holland, or I could take on the awful contract of Shin-Soo Choo. I would be giving them Ross, Norris, and Rodney.

I feel like it would be crazy for the Rangers to say no, and I also feel like the Padres get a player with sky high potential. What do you think about that package?

The Rangers got Cole Hamel without giving up Brinson, Mazara or Gallo. What makes you believe 1.5 to 2 year of Ross would get him instead? You're the Padres I understand you want to fleece the Rangers but few on here will say it's fair or reasonable. You haven't given us the stats for all players involved so we have to go off of real life.

You seem to have your mind made up after not liking the feedback you got. It's your franchise so do as you wish

[KBLover]

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I honestly don't love Gallo, but the 80 grade power is fun and I feel like it is a move Preller could make.

From a straight MLB16 perspective, it seems Gallo will skyrocket, or at least in my fresh MLB16 franchise he did.

Granted he had success, but any player like that, I would value highly on a pure in-the-game perspective. I admit I don't understand or can find surplus value as a metric or how much a player has, nor do I know if that translates to The Show well, etc. (How much $$$ is 1 WAR worth in MLB16?)

But if I had Gallo and he jumped to 99 POT in one season like he did for me, I'd have to get a top level player, at least, in return. I agree with those saying that to be the case strictly from an in-game aspect. Like if this was an OOTP league in it's own universe. You want Gallo from me, unless he was tanking and not progressing well or I felt I couldn't afford him, it would have to be for a top talent.

Rodney...is that Fernando Rodney? He's 39, right? The way 39-year-old progress in this game?

Like was said, do as you want in your universe. But I wouldn't see Ross and a 39-year-old who'll probably collapse (in the game, whether he does irl doesn't really matter to MLB16's progression) as solid return. If this was proposed to me by the CPU, I'd hit the circle button to decline ASAP.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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If I came off snarky I apologize. You have three options. 1) Disregard what we tell you and do as you wish, its totally acceptable to do it this way. 2) Give us absolutely no details about whats going on in your franchise, and we will have to go based off of real life. 3) Give us actual information from your franchise, like k/9 FIP, k% what level Gallo is in etc, and we can base things off of your franchise.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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If I came off snarky I apologize. You have three options. 1) Disregard what we tell you and do as you wish, its totally acceptable to do it this way. 2) Give us absolutely no details about whats going on in your franchise, and we will have to go based off of real life. 3) Give us actual information from your franchise, like k/9 FIP, k% what level Gallo is in etc, and we can base things off of your franchise.

Fair enough. To be honest, I haven't even started my franchise yet. While it might not be the most realistic way, I like to get my trades done before I start. We would be going off of last years numbers.

Norris is a player coming off a down year. He bat .250 with a .709 OPS in 2015. However, he is still only a year off of an All Star season with the A's. He had a wRC+ of 98 in 2015, but a 122 going back to 2014.

Rodney would be coming off of a season half with the Mariners and half with the Cubs. Between the two, he had 16 saves and 8 K/9. He also is Fernando Rodney, and is a proven bullpen arm.

The centerpeice is Ross. He is coming of a year with 9 K/9, a 3.26 ERA, and a 2.98 FIP. Although he has control issues he had a 25% K% and a 61% GB%.

Gallo, on the other hand, would be coming off of an up and down year. He dominated AA batting over .300 with 9 HRs and a 192 wRC+. Then, in AAA, he only had a 90 wRC+ while batting .195 with 14 HRs with almost twice the number at bats that he had in AA. Somehow, that was enough to be called up, and it was a disaster. He bat .204 even with a .356 BABIP, struck out almost 50% of the time, and only had a 85 wRC+.

Another offer I am looking at is Ross to the Red Sox for a deal centered around Rafael Devers. What do you guys think on either. While I probably will think Devers is more realistic, I would obviously rather do Gall n

[CBoller1331]

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I don't really see Tyson Ross getting traded for a top-15 prospect overall. I think a #30-#50 overall is more likely to be a centerpiece.

[Tmizzle]

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From a straight MLB16 perspective, it seems Gallo will skyrocket, or at least in my fresh MLB16 franchise he did.

Granted he had success, but any player like that, I would value highly on a pure in-the-game perspective. I admit I don't understand or can find surplus value as a metric or how much a player has, nor do I know if that translates to The Show well, etc. (How much $$$ is 1 WAR worth in MLB16?)

But if I had Gallo and he jumped to 99 POT in one season like he did for me, I'd have to get a top level player, at least, in return. I agree with those saying that to be the case strictly from an in-game aspect. Like if this was an OOTP league in it's own universe. You want Gallo from me, unless he was tanking and not progressing well or I felt I couldn't afford him, it would have to be for a top talent.

Rodney...is that Fernando Rodney? He's 39, right? The way 39-year-old progress in this game?

Like was said, do as you want in your universe. But I wouldn't see Ross and a 39-year-old who'll probably collapse (in the game, whether he does irl doesn't really matter to MLB16's progression) as solid return. If this was proposed to me by the CPU, I'd hit the circle button to decline ASAP.

I am about at the all star break with my Twins chise and Gallo is the Rangers everyday 3B. He is tearing the cover off the ball.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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I don't really see Tyson Ross getting traded for a top-15 prospect overall. I think a #30-#50 overall is more likely to be a centerpiece.

My franchise is still day one. While Gallo may be far fetched, at the beginning of the season, Devers was #35 for baseball prospectus.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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My franchise is still day one. While Gallo may be far fetched, at the beginning of the season, Devers was #35 for baseball prospectus.

And they have him #19 in the midseason update

[Daonlyjmo7]

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And they have him #19 in the midseason update

But he would be #35 in my franchise.

[Still2REal]

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Nobody is right or wrong, because nobody knows the truth.

Myers, Swanson, etc. have proven that prospects get traded regardless of how Keith Law feels about it.

When teams are ready to contend prospects tend to decline in value. I'd have no problem taking the risk of Gallo for Ross and Norris if I was the Rangers BEFORE this season started. I'm ready to win a WS now, I don't have time for Gallo to figure it out.

Phillies probably took more prospects over 1 big one, plus the $20M annually they were losing on Hamels didn't hurt.

To each their own.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Nobody is right or wrong, because nobody knows the truth.

Myers, Swanson, etc. have proven that prospects get traded regardless of how Keith Law feels about it.

When teams are ready to contend prospects tend to decline in value. I'd have no problem taking the risk of Gallo for Ross and Norris if I was the Rangers BEFORE this season started. I'm ready to win a WS now, I don't have time for Gallo to figure it out.

Phillies probably took more prospects over 1 big one, plus the $20M annually they were losing on Hamels didn't hurt.

To each their own.

In today's market, $23MM for a guy like Hamels is a very attractive rate. It seems like a lot, but it's become a deal. Also, remember the Rangers dumped the contract of Matt Harrison's corpse on Philly to partially offset Hamels in the deal. That's $28MM Harrison was owed, so about 1+ years of Hamels' 3-4 years left for free.

So the Rangers got 3-4 years of Hamels with some salary paid along with not having to give from Gallo/Mazara/Brinson/Tate. Nick Williams was still a pretty big piece though not at Gallo's level. I would also argue that Ross doesn't have more than 75% of Hamels' trade value due to performance, team control, and injury risk. Hamels going from a HR-heavy environment (Citizen's Bank Park) to Texas is also a bit more certainty than whatever Ross would become without Petco to lean on.

In short, if I were to trade Ross for Gallo, I would feel cheap about it.

I actually did trade Ross in my Padres franchise (lol, everybody's using the Padres for some reason now) and I dealt him along with Derek Norris to Houston for Jon Singleton, Francis Martes, and Preston Tucker. People thought A.J. Reed was too rich of a return as Gallo would be.

[CBoller1331]

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Nobody is right or wrong, because nobody knows the truth.

Myers, Swanson, etc. have proven that prospects get traded regardless of how Keith Law feels about it.

When teams are ready to contend prospects tend to decline in value. I'd have no problem taking the risk of Gallo for Ross and Norris if I was the Rangers BEFORE this season started. I'm ready to win a WS now, I don't have time for Gallo to figure it out.

Phillies probably took more prospects over 1 big one, plus the $20M annually they were losing on Hamels didn't hurt.

To each their own.

This. If you think Ross and Norris are worth Gallo, do it. But don't expect me to give it my stamp of approval

[AC]

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I'm somewhat on the fence for a valuation for a fictional in my carryover (currently in 2022).

I'm not sure I will deal him, but I also might.

Details:

Time: Late-May

Team: Marlins, first place currently. Looking ahead to potential arbitration issues across the roster. Budget is high, but these arbitration contracts are getting up there.

Player Performance: 2.02 ERA, 2.52 FIP, 64 ERA-, 79 FIP- (league adjusted to the performance of the franchise itself, not MLB)

Projection: 3.04 ERA, 3.27 FIP, 96 ERA-, 103 FIP- (Projected using franchise league averages, not MLB)

Prior two seasons: 3.32 ERA, 3.36 ERA

Age: 27, 2 years service.

Contract situation: 3 years of team control left (via arbitration). Currently making $800K, but that will likely skyrocket now that he's entering ARB years.

Ratings: 90 STA, 84(+2)/73/76/69(+2), 63/94/74, 92 (rising)/A (steady)

Scouting report: Five-pitch arsenal that he can use to change speeds and eye level. Sometimes struggles with command and can let things get to him on the mound. However, when he's right, he very difficult to attack. 2SFB sits around 95-96, but his 4SFB is 97-99.

Seeking: Likely prospects of any kind except perhaps at CF/RF. Well catcher too...because there are no catcher prospects in this franchise lol (I mean that literally, they all suck), so I won't even bother there.

I'm in the fence a bit because those projections aren't wonderful, but then again, he is a rising talent (already gaining more points) and the projection might be underselling some growth. I don't have a specific target in mind yet (one-team franchise and haven't really shopped him to see what the CPU thinks yet), but just wanted some opinions of how high you'd set the price.

This is a beautiful post. I would just be careful using Marcel-esque projections cause they don't necessarily use enough information, but for a video game is is awesome.

In today's market, $23MM for a guy like Hamels is a very attractive rate.

I wouldn't say very attractive. I think that's a fair market value, $0 surplus.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I wouldn't say very attractive. I think that's a fair market value, $0 surplus.

Not if he's a 4-5 WAR guy as he's been since 2008. There's plenty of surplus value there. He'd need to dip to about 3 WAR annually to be a neutral asset according to all the math you guys like to do, lol.