MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[WaitTilNextYear]

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The same guy who wrote the trade values chart you just referenced, advocated for a Tyson ross and Derek Norris trade for Gallo before the season!

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-l...s-blockbuster/

And most people agreed that it was a poor deal for the Padres due to Gallo's high bust potential and unprecedented strike out rate.

Clearly this "Gallo is untouchable except for an Ace" sentiment is not a widely held belief. All this talk of "fleecing" the CPU

Interesting to see, but that was a few months ago and this same guy is now saying Gallo is on the cusp of making the Top 50 and Ross is nowhere to be found.

Serious Upside, But Maybe Next Year

Byron Buxton, OF, Minnesota
Joey Gallo, 3B/OF, Texas
Dansby Swanson, SS, Atlanta
Orlando Arcia, SS, Milwaukee
Austin Meadows, OF, Pittsburgh
Tyler Glasnow, SP, Pittsburgh
Blake Snell, SP, Tampa Bay
Trea Turner, SS, Washington

This is a list of some of the game’s top prospects — or former top prospects, in the case of the two guys who have exhausted their rookie status — and guys who could storm up this list in the future, but might not have enough present value to create the kind of bidding war that some other players would generate. All of these guys look like they could become something special, but there’s projection left with each of them, as they need to improve on some core skill before they become a key part of a winning team. Long-term, you’d love to have any of these guys, but they’re maybe just not quite there in terms of present value in order to crack the 2016 Top 50.

Part of the discrepancy is due to Gallo's improvements this year (shocking that a young player got better!) and Ross' injury, which is really user preference as to whether they want to factor these kinds of things into their franchise or not. Part is due to Dave Cameron not being all that good and pumping out a lot of articles that are bound to contradict each other.

If you want to trade for Gallo or recommend that others do so, go for it, but you have the minority opinion here. Most of us wouldn't feel comfortable doing that trade with the cpu. Remember there isn't much "bust potential" in the game as young players pretty much always progress no matter what. Gallo has more value in the game due to that, especially if USER controlled.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I sure don't!

The same peoplele who say that's a poor trade, would have said "No way Phillies give away Hamels without getting Gallo or Brinson"; "No way Royals give up Myers for Shields and Wade Davis"; no way the Braves give up Swanson for Miller.

Your trade is just as good as those minus the Braves one. Really though, you don't need my validation or theirs. Deep down inside you know what reasonable. IRL there is no guarantee Gallo will progress like he does in the Show. That is probably coloring peoples feelings too.

That's fine criticism, I guess. If you're not accounting for the hundreds and thousands of Stanton for a bag of balls and Trout for a can of peanuts trades that this thread has prevented over the years. lol. Nobody is charging fees as a psychic here.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Interesting to see, but that was a few months ago and this same guy is now saying Gallo is on the cusp of making the Top 50 and Ross is nowhere to be found.




Part of the discrepancy is due to Gallo's improvements this year (shocking that a young player got better!) and Ross' injury, which is really user preference as to whether they want to factor these kinds of things into their franchise or not. Part is due to Dave Cameron not being all that good and pumping out a lot of articles that are bound to contradict each other.

If you want to trade for Gallo or recommend that others do so, go for it, but you have the minority opinion here. Most of us wouldn't feel comfortable doing that trade with the cpu. Remember there isn't much "bust potential" in the game as young players pretty much always progress no matter what. Gallo has more value in the game due to that, especially if USER controlled.

Understandable. I did do a few sims though and although Gallo was up into the 30-40 HR range, he bat around .220

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Understandable. I did do a few sims though and although Gallo was up into the 30-40 HR range, he bat around .220

By the way, at this point I am not arguing, I'm just talking baseball. Lol

[Daonlyjmo7]

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And in real life, I think there is no chance Gallo pans out. The Rangers would be crazy not to trade him.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Understandable. I did do a few sims though and although Gallo was up into the 30-40 HR range, he bat around .220

So Chris Carter from the Brewers, except with 50 fielding and a 70 arm at third. That sounds like a guy around 3-4 WAR

[KBLover]

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I for one am not a big fan of projections based on computer formulas. There is no way for a computer to predict how someone will do in the future. The projection formulas use the same weights which assures they will never be accurate.

Neither are a lot of scout/analyst/expert human opinions on a player's future, though.

There is no "accurate" - just varying degrees of non-zero error, imo.

There's no way for anyone or anything to 100% accurately predict the future. And if there was, I doubt we'd have any access to it in the form of articles or projection data published on a site like fangraphs.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Actually the more I think about it, that sounds like a left handed Todd Franzier. And 6 years of that would be pretty damn valuable

[WaitTilNextYear]

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By the way, at this point I am not arguing, I'm just talking baseball. Lol

No worries, this thread has seen a lot more heated arguments than this. This is tame.

I would be careful about the bumping posts things that Gamecocks mentioned (that and asking too many deals gets you ignored with the quickness) and also you don't want to get a reputation as asking for advice and then shooting down everyone's feedback (another great way to get ignored). Discussing feedback is just fine and encouraged, but there have been a few in the past that would ask for advice and then basically tell everyone they thought the advice was dumb and they knew better...

[KBLover]

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So Chris Carter from the Brewers, except with 50 fielding and a 70 arm at third. That sounds like a guy around 3-4 WAR

I have a player similar to this in my carryover. He's batting .219 and is on pace for 33 HR in 560 PA (that's how many he had in his last season).

He currently has 1.3 WAR. If he keeps his pace up, he could end up with 3.5 WAR. His defense is very high (90 fielding, 90 arm, also at 3B). I don't know how much (if any) defensive value is given to WAR in the game, but assuming at least some, I think 3 WAR would be a good guess if he had Gallo's defense.

[CBoller1331]

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I'm not necessarily an impatient person, but it's just one of those days where I have none. My bad guys.

No problem. We all have those days. It can definitely be frustrating to come into the thread thinking you have a good trade, only to have it picked apart by us opinionated, favorite team biased "experts" (thats probably a little harsh, but you get the point)

Believe me, just about all of us have proposed at least one horrendous trade. You've just got to learn from what's suggested

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Actually the more I think about it, that sounds like a left handed Todd Franzier. And 6 years of that would be pretty damn valuable

But Frazier literally strikes out half as much. I get that power is valuable, but I would rather have a first baseman to get on base and put the ball in play than Chris Carter. Especially considering what his value is now, he should be traded. Like where would he be in your lineup? I couldn't put a guy with a .220 batting average any higher than 6.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Neither are a lot of scout/analyst/expert human opinions on a player's future, though.

There is no "accurate" - just varying degrees of non-zero error, imo.

There's no way for anyone or anything to 100% accurately predict the future. And if there was, I doubt we'd have any access to it in the form of articles or projection data published on a site like fangraphs.

Agreed. For me, my opinion is the same in all sports. Polish>Raw Talent. If you get both, then that is amazing. That is why I love Chris Paddack who is now with the Padres. I would be shocked if he doesn't make it in the league.

[redsox4evur]

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No worries, this thread has seen a lot more heated arguments than this. This is tame.

I would be careful about the bumping posts things that Gamecocks mentioned (that and asking too many deals gets you ignored with the quickness) and also you don't want to get a reputation as asking for advice and then shooting down everyone's feedback (another great way to get ignored). Discussing feedback is just fine and encouraged, but there have been a few in the past that would ask for advice and then basically tell everyone they thought the advice was dumb and they knew better...

Let's not forgot the Michael Brantley discussion...oh man that was great.

Also want some way too early trade advice. Playing as the Stros and I wanna a high end #2/low end #1 (preferably right handed). Only untouchables are Correa, Springer, Bregman, Altuve and Keuchel anyone else I am open to trading. Who are some potential targets?

[Daonlyjmo7]

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No problem. We all have those days. It can definitely be frustrating to come into the thread thinking you have a good trade, only to have it picked apart by us opinionated, favorite team biased "experts" (thats probably a little harsh, but you get the point)

Believe me, just about all of us have proposed at least one horrendous trade. You've just got to learn from what's suggested

Haha exactly. You live to learn in this thread, I can see. But I do like it. You guys all seem to really know your stuff.