MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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But Frazier literally strikes out half as much. I get that power is valuable, but I would rather have a first baseman to get on base and put the ball in play than Chris Carter. Especially considering what his value is now, he should be traded. Like where would he be in your lineup? I couldn't put a guy with a .220 batting average any higher than 6.

Gallo was 21!!!!!!!! Baez is a great example. Came up at 21 and struck out at a 41% clip IIRC. He's now 23 and has a 23.4% k rate. Baez has insane power for a middle infielder, but most would agree Gallo has more raw power.

In 36 games as a 21 year old he had a .6 WAR. If you extrapulate that over 500 PA which seems to be a reasonable average that an MLB regular plays, that ends up with about a 2.5WAR. And this is at 21 with a sky high k%.

Even a slight adjustment to the mean, think a Sano level (33%) and he is pretty easily over 3 WAR and closer to 4. If you want a 1st baseman that gets on more, don't get Gallo. It's pretty cut and dry. Plus he had more value as a 3B since his arm is so good.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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But Frazier literally strikes out half as much. I get that power is valuable, but I would rather have a first baseman to get on base and put the ball in play than Chris Carter. Especially considering what his value is now, he should be traded. Like where would he be in your lineup? I couldn't put a guy with a .220 batting average any higher than 6.

Not necessarily. Gallo isn't going to stay above 40%. He's at 29% in AAA this year. Frazier was at about 23% when he was a AAA ballplayer. Gallo's showing some nice improvement in his 2nd tour of duty at Round Rock. Some of this Gallo's a .200 hitter stuff is old news.

It is a bit odd that you are arguing that Gallo is not the type of player you want on your team, yet it's your proposed trade for him that started this convo.....

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Let's not forgot the Michael Brantley discussion...oh man that was great.

Also want some way too early trade advice. Playing as the Stros and I wanna a high end #2/low end #1 (preferably right handed). Only untouchables are Correa, Springer, Bregman, Altuve and Keuchel anyone else I am open to trading. Who are some potential targets?

I could see Sonny Gray as a fit. Teheran could be a possibility as well.

[KBLover]

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But Frazier literally strikes out half as much. I get that power is valuable, but I would rather have a first baseman to get on base and put the ball in play than Chris Carter. Especially considering what his value is now, he should be traded. Like where would he be in your lineup? I couldn't put a guy with a .220 batting average any higher than 6.

I had Carter in my fantasy draft franchise. He batted 3rd and his bat wasn't why I got rid of him, but his defense (granted, he batted .250ish but he K'd 33% of the time). He made the stupidest errors. And this was at 1B lol. I didn't DARE try him in LF. Not even Fenway's LF. I know Manny managed but still...

And no, I couldn't DH him because Schwarber is there (and Schwarber's defense is rated even worse lol)

But, even then a #6 guy who could hit 30 HR? I'd take that, especially if he played decent defense at a reasonably important position like 3B.

Of course, if you follow "The Book" and it's model of lineup construction, 3rd might be the best place for Carter. He lives and dies by the HR, contributes little else. Of course, lineup construction isn't make or break either (except, I guess, if you batted the pitcher #1 or #2 lol).

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Gallo was 21!!!!!!!! Baez is a great example. Came up at 21 and struck out at a 41% clip IIRC. He's now 23 and has a 23.4% k rate. Baez has insane power for a middle infielder, but most would agree Gallo has more raw power.

In 36 games as a 21 year old he had a .6 WAR. If you extrapulate that over 500 PA which seems to be a reasonable average that an MLB regular plays, that ends up with about a 2.5WAR. And this is at 21 with a sky high k%.

Even a slight adjustment to the mean, think a Sano level (33%) and he is pretty easily over 3 WAR and closer to 4. If you want a 1st baseman that gets on more, don't get Gallo. It's pretty cut and dry. Plus he had more value as a 3B since his arm is so good.

Good points. I just would be worried at the lack of improvement.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Not necessarily. Gallo isn't going to stay above 40%. He's at 29% in AAA this year. Frazier was at about 23% when he was a AAA ballplayer. Gallo's showing some nice improvement in his 2nd tour of duty at Round Rock. Some of this Gallo's a .200 hitter stuff is old news.

It is a bit odd that you are arguing that Gallo is not the type of player you want on your team, yet it's your proposed trade for him that started this convo.....

I know haha. It is because Gallo is one of the few top prospects I fell should be available. Plus, 80 grade power is always fun in video games. I also feel like with him you get it and not have it be too overpowered. Also, in a way, I wanted you guys to talk me out of trading for him in a way. After doing more research on him, I like him less and less. But he still would be fun.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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My last 2 cents on Gallo...even if he does have a low average, this guy has an elite walk rate. So look at the OBP as well as the power potential (80 grade) and the throwing arm (80 grade) when thinking about his skills. Even last year when he was relatively bad in an MLB cup of coffee, he walked 12% of the time which is way above average and not just for a 21/22 year old. His OBP is .386 right now in AAA even with that near 30% K-rate.

[CBoller1331]

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Gallo was 21!!!!!!!! Baez is a great example. Came up at 21 and struck out at a 41% clip IIRC. He's now 23 and has a 23.4% k rate. Baez has insane power for a middle infielder, but most would agree Gallo has more raw power.

In 36 games as a 21 year old he had a .6 WAR. If you extrapulate that over 500 PA which seems to be a reasonable average that an MLB regular plays, that ends up with about a 2.5WAR. And this is at 21 with a sky high k%.

Even a slight adjustment to the mean, think a Sano level (33%) and he is pretty easily over 3 WAR and closer to 4. If you want a 1st baseman that gets on more, don't get Gallo. It's pretty cut and dry. Plus he had more value as a 3B since his arm is so good.

Was just about to bring up Baez's horrendous debut.

As long has Gallo is open to making adjustments like Baez did, I think he can be a pretty good player.

And he doesn't have to completely do away with his "all or nothing" swing. If you watch Baez, you can tell he picks his spots when to jack up the leg kick, and swing out of his shoes. But its only on first pitches in some occasions, and 2-0, 3-1 counts. Every other time he shortens up (even to an extreme on 2 strikes), and has still shown very good power.

Now of course that doesnt make Gallo a sure thing, no player with that much swing and miss in his game is. But weve seen players with much worse debuts come along and have very good careers. So I wouldn't say there's no chance he pans out.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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I had Carter in my fantasy draft franchise. He batted 3rd and his bat wasn't why I got rid of him, but his defense (granted, he batted .250ish but he K'd 33% of the time). He made the stupidest errors. And this was at 1B lol. I didn't DARE try him in LF. Not even Fenway's LF. I know Manny managed but still...

And no, I couldn't DH him because Schwarber is there (and Schwarber's defense is rated even worse lol)

But, even then a #6 guy who could hit 30 HR? I'd take that, especially if he played decent defense at a reasonably important position like 3B.

Of course, if you follow "The Book" and it's model of lineup construction, 3rd might be the best place for Carter. He lives and dies by the HR, contributes little else. Of course, lineup construction isn't make or break either (except, I guess, if you batted the pitcher #1 or #2 lol).

That is true, but I fell like it would be more of a luxury than a need. And while that piece looks interesting from a glance, I definitely don't agree with the 3rd hitter claim. I would not want to give my third most at bats to a guy who rarely ever gets on base.

[KBLover]

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Agreed. For me, my opinion is the same in all sports. Polish>Raw Talent. If you get both, then that is amazing. That is why I love Chris Paddack who is now with the Padres. I would be shocked if he doesn't make it in the league.

Yeah, speaking of irl trades I wouldn't do in game...I'm not trading Paddack for Rodney. I just...I don't even understand that.

I get they are competitive (for a change) but still...

[Daonlyjmo7]

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My last 2 cents on Gallo...even if he does have a low average, this guy has an elite walk rate. So look at the OBP as well as the power potential (80 grade) and the throwing arm (80 grade) when thinking about his skills. Even last year when he was relatively bad in an MLB cup of coffee, he walked 12% of the time which is way above average and not just for a 21/22 year old. His OBP is .386 right now in AAA even with that near 30% K-rate.

All that is true, but I feel like he becomes an Adam Dunn type player with only three outcomes: Walk, HR, or K. And I never believed in Dunn's value, no matter how fun he was.

[KBLover]

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My last 2 cents on Gallo...even if he does have a low average, this guy has an elite walk rate. So look at the OBP as well as the power potential (80 grade) and the throwing arm (80 grade) when thinking about his skills. Even last year when he was relatively bad in an MLB cup of coffee, he walked 12% of the time which is way above average and not just for a 21/22 year old. His OBP is .386 right now in AAA even with that near 30% K-rate.

Sounds like Adam Dunn with defense!

[CBoller1331]

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I could see Sonny Gray as a fit. Teheran could be a possibility as well.

Oh boy...you really are new. Go back a few pages and see endless arguments about whether either of those two is actually a #1 or #2

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Yeah, speaking of irl trades I wouldn't do in game...I'm not trading Paddack for Rodney. I just...I don't even understand that.

I get they are competitive (for a change) but still...

Lol no kidding. I think Paddack could be great. This would make more sense for a bigger contender like the Giants, Cubs, Rangers, etc. but still, that is an overpay. Maybe it's just because I love Paddack, or maybe it's because I don't really believe in closers, but either way it is an awful trade.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Mike Trout's callup (2011): 135 PA, .220/.281/.390, 5 HR, 16 RBI, 0.7 fWAR

Joey Gallo's callup (2015): 123 PA, .204/.301/.417, 6 HR, 14 RBI, 0.6 fWAR.


Gallo is as good as Mike Trout!

No, but seriously, point is you can find any number of uber prospects that struggled in their debut and still became great players. Part of the reason teams call these guys up is to see if they're ready and if not, go back to working on their craft. Give up on prospects with amazing tools at your own peril, basically.