MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Oh boy...you really are new. Go back a few pages and see endless arguments about whether either of those two is actually a #1 or #2

I don't care if they are a #1 or a number two. I believe that either is an upgrade over Colin McHugh.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Mike Trout's callup (2011): 135 PA, .220/.281/.390, 5 HR, 16 RBI, 0.7 fWAR

Joey Gallo's callup (2015): 123 PA, .204/.301/.417, 6 HR, 14 RBI, 0.6 fWAR.


Gallo is as good as Mike Trout!

No, but seriously, point is you can find any number of uber prospects that struggled in their debut and still became great players. Part of the reason teams call these guys up is to see if they're ready and if not, go back to working on their craft. Give up on prospects with amazing tools at your own peril, basically.

But Trout had a reputation to hit for average. He also didn't have a strikeout problem. I don't think that anyone was too surprised with Gallo's struggles (or at least I wasn't), but Trout was more surprising.

[redsox4evur]

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Mike Trout's callup (2011): 135 PA, .220/.281/.390, 5 HR, 16 RBI, 0.7 fWAR

Joey Gallo's callup (2015): 123 PA, .204/.301/.417, 6 HR, 14 RBI, 0.6 fWAR.


Gallo is as good as Mike Trout!

No, but seriously, point is you can find any number of uber prospects that struggled in their debut and still became great players. Part of the reason teams call these guys up is to see if they're ready and if not, go back to working on their craft. Give up on prospects with amazing tools at your own peril, basically.

Not as great but still a good player. Jackie Bradley, Jr. Dude rakes in ST in 2013, something like .345 average shows some doubles power. Makes the team outta ST. ****s the bed to put it bluntly in 2013 and 2014 has an average of around .175. Goes back to AAA. Gets called back up middle of last year (and probably some other calls up I'm forgetting). Dude rakes for the rest of 2015 and is a damn All-Star this year.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Sounds like Adam Dunn with defense!

If you don't think that adding defense to Dunn is a big deal, honestly Adam Dunn with Gold Glove defense is a somewhat serious HoF candidate (basically becomes a bizarro Andruw Jones). Dunn's defense was soooooo bad. According to Baseball Reference, he had 34.5 oWAR, but gave back 29.6 dWAR by being so bad in the field.

If you can get that same offense from Gallo and play even average to above average defense, that's a nice player.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Not as great but still a good player. Jackie Bradley, Jr. Dude rakes in ST in 2013, something like .345 average shows some doubles power. Makes the team outta ST. ****s the bed to put it bluntly in 2013 and 2014 has an average of around .175. Goes back to AAA. Gets called back up middle of last year (and probably some other calls up I'm forgetting). Dude rakes for the rest of 2015 and is a damn All-Star this year.

Also JBJ wasn't 21 when he failed hard in 2013...

[Daonlyjmo7]

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If you don't think that adding defense to Dunn is a big deal, honestly Adam Dunn with Gold Glove defense is a somewhat serious HoF candidate (basically becomes a bizarro Andruw Jones). Dunn's defense was soooooo bad. According to Baseball Reference, he had 34.5 oWAR, but gave back 29.6 dWAR by being so bad in the field.

If you can get that same offense from Gallo and play even average to above average defense, that's a nice player.

Good player for sure, but I don't love the idea of having a CIELING of a .220 average.

[KBLover]

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Not as great but still a good player. Jackie Bradley, Jr. Dude rakes in ST in 2013, something like .345 average shows some doubles power. Makes the team outta ST. ****s the bed to put it bluntly in 2013 and 2014 has an average of around .175. Goes back to AAA. Gets called back up middle of last year (and probably some other calls up I'm forgetting). Dude rakes for the rest of 2015 and is a damn All-Star this year.

Yeah - career arcs can be funny things. I always find it amusing when careers are talked of as being smooth curves.

One thing I don't like about The Show is how they are often too smooth (OOTP too, though with OOTP is more "yep, he's a bust, write him off, he's done" instead of sucking for a bit, getting sent down and then regrouping - Taijuan Walker faltered in my OOTP franchise...and was out of baseball at 28. Was hoping to see this kind of curve instead...but nope).

It takes a lot of RNG to replicate this type of fits-and-starts beginning to a career. I guess video games can't (or won't) emulate this kind of curve intentionally.

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Yeah - career arcs can be funny things. I always find it amusing when careers are talked of as being smooth curves.

One thing I don't like about The Show is how they are often too smooth (OOTP too, though with OOTP is more "yep, he's a bust, write him off, he's done" instead of sucking for a bit, getting sent down and then regrouping - Taijuan Walker faltered in my OOTP franchise...and was out of baseball at 28. Was hoping to see this kind of curve instead...but nope).

It takes a lot of RNG to replicate this type of fits-and-starts beginning to a career. I guess video games can't (or won't) emulate this kind of curve intentionally.

Unless you are playing OOTP

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Good player for sure, but I don't love the idea of having a CIELING of a .220 average.

You realize Adam Dunn had 5 seasons with a .260 or better batting average right?

I'd hardly say .220 is his ceiling

[Daonlyjmo7]

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You realize Adam Dunn had 5 seasons with a .260 or better batting average right?

I'd hardly say .220 is his ceiling

I mean in a cieling comparison. I realize Dunn got up to .260, but that as a career high isn't anything to be proud of (nothing against Dunn)

[KBLover]

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If you don't think that adding defense to Dunn is a big deal, honestly Adam Dunn with Gold Glove defense is a somewhat serious HoF candidate (basically becomes a bizarro Andruw Jones). Dunn's defense was soooooo bad. According to Baseball Reference, he had 34.5 oWAR, but gave back 29.6 dWAR by being so bad in the field.

If you can get that same offense from Gallo and play even average to above average defense, that's a nice player.

Yep and I thought I was expressing that...guess I should have been clear I liked Dunn's hitting

Just looking at his UZR's...whew.

[KBLover]

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Unless you are playing OOTP

Well, even in OOTP, I get more "this guy is a bust" and he just disappears.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I mean in a cieling comparison. I realize Dunn got up to .260, but that as a career high isn't anything to be proud of (nothing against Dunn)

Gallo's ceiling is 2013 Chris Davis. He had a 7 WAR that year.

Also I think making it to the majors is something to be proud of, and hitting .267 sure is something to be proud of

[Daonlyjmo7]

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Gallo's ceiling is 2013 Chris Davis. He had a 7 WAR that year.

Also I think making it to the majors is something to be proud of, and hitting .267 sure is something to be proud of

Lol that's not what I meant.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Lol that's not what I meant.

In 2015 the league average for BA was .254. So it seems reasonable that hitting .260, while also hitting around 40 home runs is actually a great if not elite outcome (hard to be certain without knowing the wRC+, other statistics)

I mean in 2004 Dunn hit .266 and 46 HR. Had a wRC+ of 142 and a WAR of 5.3 while playing below average defense (bordering on putrid).

In 2015 a 142 wRC+ would have been good for #13 in all of baseball.