MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Tmizzle]

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He isn't a moron. He made an informed decision for what was best for Lucroy not what was best for Cleveland. I doubt you would do something that negatively impact your ability to make money.

Well that is when you have to decide as a player how you want t be remembered. You want to be remembered as the guy who wanted to make the most money he could or the guy who took less to win rings. Also, Texas apparently sent a trade offer and told lucroy they would also accept his option. Many teams don't want to give up top dollar for a catcher who will walk after one year.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Well that is when you have to decide as a player how you want t be remembered. You want to be remembered as the guy who wanted to make the most money he could or the guy who took less to win rings. Also, Texas apparently sent a trade offer and told lucroy they would also accept his option. Many teams don't want to give up top dollar for a catcher who will walk after one year.

He's underpaid by like $12 million per year. No one should fault him. He's probably going to be traded to a contender. He gave away money to get the NTC. That's why he used the leverage he had. He's completely in the right to use that NTC.

No one will remember Lucroy for wanting more money. Griffey never won a World Series and we all know how great he was.

*I realize Lucroy is not nearly as good as Griffey, but I am lazy today and this was close enough to make my point*

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Just to clarify, are you thinking take out Jackson as well? I was thinking Diekman or Jackson, but it's hardly a breaking point for me.

I didn't say to take out both Diekman and Jackson--I think you could get Jackson in the deal. I just don't think structuring a massive salary dump on top of getting Gallo is going to work.

In fact, to make this deal a bit more realistic, you probably should be eating a little bit of McCann's deal (maybe by taking back some dead money from Texas).

Something like...

McCann (great stats, btw, but very expensive) + Eovaldi (good stats and a SP that they could use) for Gallo (the guy you want, your Scott Brosius of the future) + Luke Jackson (a 7th inning guy, the next Jeff Nelson for you) + [insert salary dump guy here]

I don't think you need to take back Prince Fielder or anything, but if you can find someone who's not playing or playing well and making a few million, it would enhance the realism. Maybe Tolleson, Holland, or Colby Lewis would fit into the salary dump spot depending on their stats etc..

[Tmizzle]

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He's underpaid by like $12 million per year. No one should fault him. He's probably going to be traded to a contender. He gave away money to get the NTC. That's why he used the leverage he had. He's completely in the right to use that NTC.

No one will remember Lucroy for wanting more money. Griffey never won a World Series and we all know how great he was.

*I realize Lucroy is not nearly as good as Griffey, but I am lazy today and this was close enough to make my point*

If Lucroy wanted the money he shouldn't of signed that deal to take less for the NTC, plain and simple. Also, That comparison was horrible lol. 3 things remind me of Griffey.
1. That beautiful swing!
2. Hitting the warehouse at Camden yards
3. Injury riddled late career

[KBLover]

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Well that is when you have to decide as a player how you want t be remembered. You want to be remembered as the guy who wanted to make the most money he could or the guy who took less to win rings.

Who would you consider to be in that vein? I'm sure it's happened, but I can't think of any player remembered specifically for taking less money.

Many teams don't want to give up top dollar for a catcher who will walk after one year.

Yeah, that's why I can see the team's side in this, too. I mean, I wouldn't trade a ton to get 3 months of a catcher. It's Lucroy's right to say what he wants in order to waive NTC, but it's also the team's right to say "this is what we'll do going forward, would you be on board with this?".

Lucroy said no to that and the Indians said no to Lucroy's request.

I don't see a "bad guy" here or a "side" to take. Both sides acted up front looking to fill their interests and couldn't find common ground. So it goes.

[CBoller1331]

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If Lucroy wanted the money he shouldn't of signed that deal to take less for the NTC, plain and simple. Also, That comparison was horrible lol. 3 things remind me of Griffey.
1. That beautiful swing!
2. Hitting the warehouse at Camden yards
3. Injury riddled late career

He admitted Griffey was not a good comparison....he was just trying to point out that players dont get remembered for winning championships in the MLB like they do in other sports. You cant win baseball games with one player dominating. If you did, the Angels would have won 4 by now.

Also, Lucroy signed that deal after his first full season when he was a 1.5 WAR player. He quickly out performed his contract. He has every right to want to hit free agency and get the money he deserves

[Mattchu12]

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I didn't say to take out both Diekman and Jackson--I think you could get Jackson in the deal. I just don't think structuring a massive salary dump on top of getting Gallo is going to work.

In fact, to make this deal a bit more realistic, you probably should be eating a little bit of McCann's deal (maybe by taking back some dead money from Texas).

Something like...

McCann (great stats, btw, but very expensive) + Eovaldi (good stats and a SP that they could use) for Gallo (the guy you want, your Scott Brosius of the future) + Luke Jackson (a 7th inning guy, the next Jeff Nelson for you) + [insert salary dump guy here]

I don't think you need to take back Prince Fielder or anything, but if you can find someone who's not playing or playing well and making a few million, it would enhance the realism. Maybe Tolleson, Holland, or Colby Lewis would fit into the salary dump spot depending on their stats etc..

Extremely helpful. Always appreciate the insight.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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If Lucroy wanted the money he shouldn't of signed that deal to take less for the NTC, plain and simple. Also, That comparison was horrible lol. 3 things remind me of Griffey.
1. That beautiful swing!
2. Hitting the warehouse at Camden yards
3. Injury riddled late career

You have your opinion of Lucroy for not doing the trade but o disagree. I think your assessment that he's "greedy" or just looking for more money is wrong. That's just my opinion. That's why I said the comp was bad. You chose not to accept the Hamels example. Brandon Phillips turned down trades to get more money based on his NTC. That's literally how it works. Players have a right to use their leverage.

Lastly, if a team doesn't pay Lucroy the owner will just pocket the money. So it's not really something fans should get worked up about

[Tmizzle]

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You have your opinion of Lucroy for not doing the trade but o disagree. I think your assessment that he's "greedy" or just looking for more money is wrong. That's just my opinion. That's why I said the comp was bad. You chose not to accept the Hamels example. Brandon Phillips turned down trades to get more money based on his NTC. That's literally how it works. Players have a right to use their leverage.

Lastly, if a team doesn't pay Lucroy the owner will just pocket the money. So it's not really something fans should get worked up about

You didn't quote me in the Hamels comment so I figured it wasn't directed towards me. I never said Lucroy was greedy, I just stated he was a moron for the choice he made because he does want to go to a winner but Lucroy has to see things from a GM perspective that they don't want to unload the farm for a guy who will only stay one year and doesn't want his option to go through because of the contract he signed to have it in there. It almost feels like the NTC he wanted is biting him in the butt right now. I hope he does go to a contender because he deserves it but if not, it is his own dam fault.

[NothingTrivial]

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You didn't quote me in the Hamels comment so I figured it wasn't directed towards me. I never said Lucroy was greedy, I just stated he was a moron for the choice he made because he does want to go to a winner but Lucroy has to see things from a GM perspective that they don't want to unload the farm for a guy who will only stay one year and doesn't want his option to go through because of the contract he signed to have it in there. It almost feels like the NTC he wanted is biting him in the butt right now. I hope he does go to a contender because he deserves it but if not, it is his own dam fault.

Looks like he'll end up going to Texas, who isnt on his no trade clause.

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[jdiaz891]

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In my franchise 3 of 5 pitchers in the Braves rotation are sporting an era above 5 and I believe that Jon Niese is the odd man out in the Pirates rotation that's performing well . Jon Niese is 3-7 with a 4.52 era. I know it's not realistic but I am looking for fairness . I was thinking someone like SS Johan Camargo for Jon Niese. Any ideas are welcome .thanks

[CBoller1331]

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You didn't quote me in the Hamels comment so I figured it wasn't directed towards me. I never said Lucroy was greedy, I just stated he was a moron for the choice he made because he does want to go to a winner but Lucroy has to see things from a GM perspective that they don't want to unload the farm for a guy who will only stay one year and doesn't want his option to go through because of the contract he signed to have it in there. It almost feels like the NTC he wanted is biting him in the butt right now. I hope he does go to a contender because he deserves it but if not, it is his own dam fault.

1. He doesn't have to see things from a GM's perspective. He is a player. He doesn't work in the front office. And his agent was probably communicating with both front offices, so he probably knows exactly how each side felt
2. He probabaly does understand the Indians not wanting to overpay for a rental....and it was the Brewers who decided they didn't want to give up 1.5 years of Lucroy for the price of a rental
3. It's not biting him in the butt b/c he didn't want to go to Cleveland and now he doesn't have to

[Tmizzle]

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1. He doesn't have to see things from a GM's perspective. He is a player. He doesn't work in the front office. And his agent was probably communicating with both front offices, so he probably knows exactly how each side felt
2. He probabaly does understand the Indians not wanting to overpay for a rental....and it was the Brewers who decided they didn't want to give up 1.5 years of Lucroy for the price of a rental
3. It's not biting him in the butt b/c he didn't want to go to Cleveland and now he doesn't have to

Biting him in the butt do to the fact he won't have a chance at a ring this year. Texas isn't winning the ship. Also, how was it the Brewers choice? Lucroy vetoed the deal, not the organization lol

[kenp86]

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From what I read, they told him that next year Yan Gomes would. be there full time starter and. he'd be backup. Add that to the option not being dropped, I wouldn't accept the trade either. Hurts his value next year

[Tmizzle]

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From what I read, they told him that next year Yan Gomes would. be there full time starter and. he'd be backup. Add that to the option not being dropped, I wouldn't accept the trade either. Hurts his value next year

I would have been 50-50 on the deal if i was Lucroy. I would want the feeling of winning a world series. The Yan Gomes thing I wouldn't be worried about because if Gomes played like how he was this year, Lucroy would be the starter by all star break or before that.