MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Instead of repeatedly nixing his deals maybe we could help him figure one out like this thread is for.

Sean Doolittle
Brad Hand
Ryan Buchter
Will Smith
Patrick Corbin

What are the stats on these guys?

Mike Dunn, JP Howell, Sean Doolittle were listed for lefty relievers. And I gave him some pitching options that were more in line once he gave me the WAR for Soler. I was nixing his deals because they were continually Sale, Archer, Britton, etc. He asked for top end guys but wouldn't offer top end talent back.

I actually just listed the Soler/Doolittle trade right before your comment. I like the Butcher suggestion too. Let us know which teams are out of it in your franchise and we can try to pull some lefties off those rosters. If you would open yourself up to trading a different package than just focusing on Soler it would open some possibilities as well

[Gagnon39]

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Mike Dunn, JP Howell, Sean Doolittle were listed for lefty relievers. And I gave him some pitching options that were more in line once he gave me the WAR for Soler. I was nixing his deals because they were continually Sale, Archer, Britton, etc. He asked for top end guys but wouldn't offer top end talent back.

I actually just listed the Soler/Doolittle trade right before your comment. I like the Butcher suggestion too. Let us know which teams are out of it in your franchise and we can try to pull some lefties off those rosters. If you would open yourself up to trading a different package than just focusing on Soler it would open some possibilities as well

Those may work, but I'm only in late April, 2017 so it will be a while before teams might be willing to part with any big pieces(if I look to give up more talent). I'm really in desperate need of a fifth starter as (I think I mentioned) Jason Hammel is likely to miss the entire year. One option I've considered is just signing Rich Hill. He's sitting in free agency right now and he's a left starter that's a 78 overall. I could get him pretty cheap and for just this one year while my pitching prospects develop.

[Gagnon39]

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Mike Dunn, JP Howell, Sean Doolittle were listed for lefty relievers. And I gave him some pitching options that were more in line once he gave me the WAR for Soler. I was nixing his deals because they were continually Sale, Archer, Britton, etc. He asked for top end guys but wouldn't offer top end talent back.

I actually just listed the Soler/Doolittle trade right before your comment. I like the Butcher suggestion too. Let us know which teams are out of it in your franchise and we can try to pull some lefties off those rosters. If you would open yourself up to trading a different package than just focusing on Soler it would open some possibilities as well

Do you guys think a Doolittle for Soler straight up is realistic or would it require something else as well? Doolittle is a perfect 7-for-7 in save opportunities for the A's in 2017 while Soler is off to a very slow start, especially since Schwarber is back. As I've said many times, I'm kind of overloaded with outfield options which is why I'm wanting to offload Soler or possibly Almora Jr. I can play Schwarber, Bryant, Contreras, Coghlan, Soler, Zobrist, or even Baez is need be in left right now. And that's not even considering my options at Triple-A Iowa of Almora Jr. and Matt Szczur. But at the same time I don't want to simply give Soler away. Is he going to get top-tier pitching back, no. I agree. But he does have value. I think I'd definitely pull the trigger on a Soler/Doolittle deal if you all think it's reasonable.

And for what little it's worth, the A's are willing to do it straight up in the game.

[BygTonka]

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Do you guys think a Doolittle for Soler straight up is realistic or would it require something else as well? Doolittle is a perfect 7-for-7 in save opportunities for the A's in 2017 while Soler is off to a very slow start, especially since Schwarber is back. As I've said many times, I'm kind of overloaded with outfield options which is why I'm wanting to offload Soler or possibly Almora Jr. I can play Schwarber, Bryant, Contreras, Coghlan, Soler, Zobrist, or even Baez is need be in left right now. And that's not even considering my options at Triple-A Iowa of Almora Jr. and Matt Szczur. But at the same time I don't want to simply give Soler away. Is he going to get top-tier pitching back, no. I agree. But he does have value. I think I'd definitely pull the trigger on a Soler/Doolittle deal if you all think it's reasonable.

And for what little it's worth, the A's are willing to do it straight up in the game.

I think that's a great head up deal.

[AC]

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Mike Dunn, JP Howell, Sean Doolittle were listed for lefty relievers. And I gave him some pitching options that were more in line once he gave me the WAR for Soler. I was nixing his deals because they were continually Sale, Archer, Britton, etc. He asked for top end guys but wouldn't offer top end talent back.

I actually just listed the Soler/Doolittle trade right before your comment. I like the Butcher suggestion too. Let us know which teams are out of it in your franchise and we can try to pull some lefties off those rosters. If you would open yourself up to trading a different package than just focusing on Soler it would open some possibilities as well

Wasn't targeting you. Just not a lot of stats being passed around (maybe I missed them) or a whole lot of progress on anything. Need to compile a list, get stats, figure something out. Easiest way to do these things. On the other hand, Gagnon isn't being particularly helpful. RBIs, HR, and Saves are not how trades should be evaluated.

Gagnon, we need Soler's triple slash, and the respective pitchers' K/9, BB/9, FIP, and IP.

[Gagnon39]

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Wasn't targeting you. Just not a lot of stats being passed around (maybe I missed them) or a whole lot of progress on anything. Need to compile a list, get stats, figure something out. Easiest way to do these things. On the other hand, Gagnon isn't being particularly helpful. RBIs, HR, and Saves are not how trades should be evaluated.

Gagnon, we need Soler's triple slash, and the respective pitchers' K/9, BB/9, FIP, and IP.

Here's the stats. Keep in mind that it's early, 2017 so I think the 2016 stats have more bearing/weight.

Soler played in 126 games in 2016 and got 425 at-bats.

2016
.280/.342/.529

2017 (12 Games, 28 AB)
.179/.258/.321

Doolittle
2016
K/9 9.21, BB/9 2.51, HR/9 1.26 FIP 3.65, 2.72 ERA, 0.88 WHIP, 34 Saves

2017 (7.1 IP)

K/9 13.5, BB 1.29, HR/9 0.00, FIP 0.41

[AC]

Re: MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Heh I think you might be losing that deal a little, considering how cheap Soler is. But tbh it's close enough and suits your needs. Go for it, unless you wanna look at Will Smith or Patrick Corbin (assuming his 2016 performance resembled IRL for you).

[Gagnon39]

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Heh I think you might be losing that deal a little, considering how cheap Soler is. But tbh it's close enough and suits your needs. Go for it, unless you wanna look at Will Smith or Patrick Corbin (assuming his 2016 performance resembled IRL for you).

I'll look at them as well but I really need a lefty reliever. I lost Chapman in the offseason to free agency. He signed with the Nationals. Side note: I just faced him a couple games ago.

But ultimately I think Doolittle's a good fit for me and Soler's not going to be playing much for me anymore.

[Gagnon39]

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And again, as I've been trying to say, Soler's 2016 in my game was much better than his real-life stats/performance.

He's 25-years old and an B potential. I don't think I should get anyone like Gray or especially someone like Sale straight up, but as part of a package I felt like getting Gray might be an option. However, if I can deal him straight up for a piece I need, I'm good with it.

And Soler seems destined for a DH role somewhere.

[AC]

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I don't understand why you feel so strongly that a .280/.340/.520 DH "with B potential" is worth a TOR pitcher. Like, would you say CJ Cron is worth a TOR pitcher?

[Gagnon39]

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I don't understand why you feel so strongly that a .280/.340/.520 DH "with B potential" is worth a TOR pitcher. Like, would you say CJ Cron is worth a TOR pitcher?

I don't. But packaged with some other players and prospects... possibly.

[Gagnon39]

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Ultimately, I think I'm good with Soler for Doolittle straight up to fill the void for a lefty reliever.

However, if I were to package Soler along with two top prospects I think the A's at least consider moving Gray.

And please don't take my responses as being defensive or angry, as I thoroughly enjoy the back-and-forth discussion and the nature of this entire thread. I think it's great.

With that being said, I think that as much as some of you guys have a relatively low value for Soler, it seems like your value of Sonny Gray is a bit inflated. He's not Chris Sale or Clayton Kershaw.

But as of right now, I'm researching the other lefty relievers you mentioned.

Here's the stats for Patrick Corbin and Will Smith (I'll just list 2016 stats unless you think the first month of 2017 is worthwhile).

Corbin

9-5, 2.46 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 175.2 IP, 140 SO, 31 BB, K/9 7.17, BB/9 1.59, HR/9 0.87, FIP 3.23

Smith

21 SV, 5.36 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 40.1 IP, 61 SO, 22 BB, K/9 13.61, BB/9 4.91, HR/9 1.12, FIP 3.35

I'd be very interested in Corbin since I also need a fifth starter.

As it stands right now I've been platooning guys in the fifth spot.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't understand why you feel so strongly that a .280/.340/.520 DH "with B potential" is worth a TOR pitcher. Like, would you say CJ Cron is worth a TOR pitcher?

My bad on the assumptions AC. Gagnon, no team will be willing to give the Cubs an ace unless they win the trade. That means players you just don't want to part with have to be involved. For a TOR arm you could use Soler but it'd probably also need one of Schwarber or Contreras. And one of the upper lever guys in the minors. Look back at trades for aces recently and see how many of them moved for a Soler/CJ Cron type hitter

[Gagnon39]

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Fair enough, I'll probably just do Soler for Doolittle.

Additionally, I run 30-team control and would like to do some other moves for other teams that involved big-name players. Namely Chris Sale. He's in the last year of his deal and I feel like he's done with the White Sox after 2017 (possibly in real life, too).

What are some possible trade scenarios that could get Sale (for any team that might realistically be in the market for him)?

Also, as much as I hate the St. Louis Cardinals, they suck on my game and I'd like to make them more competitive. Any advice on trades for them that might help?

[AC]

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I don't. But packaged with some other players and prospects... possibly.

I will leave this with my strong opinion that there is nothing you can package CJ Cron with to get a TOR pitcher, while still calling it a "CJ Cron trade."