MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[Dirty_D_]

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Astros get:
OF Kike Hernandez

Dodgers get:
RP Josh Fields

Is this a fair swap, or should I add maybe a C-level prospect like SS Nolan Fontana (if that's enough, that is).

I like this deal with or without the 2nd player

[rovert22044]

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I like this deal with or without the 2nd player

Yeah it seemed fair to me, but I wanted to make sure I'm not overvaluing Astros players due to my bias. Lol That or undervaluing an opposing team's player.

[RedHawk24]

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Just starting a Reds franchise with OSFM 2.5. Obviously looking to rebuild, and willing to trade anything that isn't bolted down. Going for realism, so I won't be trading Votto as he said he won't waive NTC.

What level/# of prospects should I focus on for guys like Bruce and Phillips? Obviously specific teams can't come into play as I'm not sure who'll be in contention come ASG.

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[pootytang]

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Is a Corey Seager trade at all realistic?

Near the ASG in my Rays franchise and I can't hit with my previous SS solution Jose Iglesias.

The Dodgers are in the top wildcard spot and look playoff bound however their staff is letting them down, all starters besides Kershaw have ERAs above 4. Seager is struggling hitting .250 with 2 homers, near identical to Iglesias' line.

Would the Dodgers consider parting with their top prospect for Drew Smyly (2nd in Cy Young race, 2.2FIP, 2.8ERA, 9 k/9, 5/1 k/bb), Jose Iglesias, and B SS prospect Willy Adames?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Thanks for the response! While I agree Aybar in real life does not hold a lot of value right now, lets assume he is putting up his career norms and we're approaching the deadline with Arizona competing for a playoff spot. Does Arizona do O'Brien for Aybar then?

No. Aybar might be the 3rd best SS on the Diamondbacks. Segura and Ahmed are better players at this point so Arizona would have no interest.

[JDiaz1]

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What could I expect to get in return for Adam Jones? I am an Oriole fan and I know trading Jones is not realistic as he is a top 5 center fielder in all of baseball, his deal is a bargain, and he is the leader of the team. But for the last two-three years I have struggled to hit with him. I don't know what happened, it's not like his ratings have changed that much but since my second season of my franchise in MLB 14 I have struggled to hit for average with him. And it has continued this year so far in both franchise and DD.

It's only April 20th in my franchise so I'm not looking to trade him tomorrow but I am just trying gauge what kind of return I could expect if I did pursue a trade of him.

I would just like to point out that you're highly overrating Jones here. He's not a top 5 center fielder, and his numbers have been declining for some years now.

[k_mac]

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Is a Corey Seager trade at all realistic?

Would the Dodgers consider parting with their top prospect for Drew Smyly (2nd in Cy Young race, 2.2FIP, 2.8ERA, 9 k/9, 5/1 k/bb), Jose Iglesias, and B SS prospect Willy Adames?

No, it isn't realistic at all.

If the Dodgers are in a playoff hunt, they have no reason to move their starting shortstop (and SS of the future) for anybody. They'd more than likely look for an internal option (probably Urias/De Leon) or trade prospects (A package around De Leon) for a pitcher.

[RogueHominid]

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Is a Corey Seager trade at all realistic?

Near the ASG in my Rays franchise and I can't hit with my previous SS solution Jose Iglesias.

The Dodgers are in the top wildcard spot and look playoff bound however their staff is letting them down, all starters besides Kershaw have ERAs above 4. Seager is struggling hitting .250 with 2 homers, near identical to Iglesias' line.

Would the Dodgers consider parting with their top prospect for Drew Smyly (2nd in Cy Young race, 2.2FIP, 2.8ERA, 9 k/9, 5/1 k/bb), Jose Iglesias, and B SS prospect Willy Adames?

I don't see Seager moving. He can hit in the 1-3 spots right now, will be able to hit cleanup in a year or two if his power continues to progress, and he has the reaction and arm strength to play either SS or 3B.

That amount of versatility at his age, plus his upside, plus the relative lack of MILB depth in the IF for the Dodgers makes parting with Seager an unrealistic move.

Micah Johnson might be able to play on the parent club in a year or two, but right now their MIF is full of disasters like Utley and Kendrick, as well as aging guys like Turner, which makes Seager's skill and versatility that much more valuable.

The only other guy that could even be in contention for an MLB spot in the IF is Guerrero, and he's a fringe talent at best.

To the poster who inquired about Kike to the Astros, I don't see that either. The Dodgers lack utility gloves who can also start for an extended stretch without hurting the club. Kike can do that. He plays as well in the IF as the OF, and his contact ratings are high enough to keep an offense from tanking if a key injury happens that puts a starter out for a couple of weeks.

Plus, Kike's the platoon guy for Pederson, whose contact ratings vs. LHP make him a non-starter except in case of injury vs. LHP. That increases Kike's value to the team, especially when one considers that they already have up to 2 bench bats who hit lefty and specialize vs. RHP (Ethier and Crawford). Kike's lefty killer bat plays very well in that lineup, and I'd have to think that dealing him would have to return another lefty killer.

Just my .02 as someone who watches almost every Dodger game.

[sc050610]

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I would just like to point out that you're highly overrating Jones here. He's not a top 5 center fielder, and his numbers have been declining for some years now.

Declining numbers for some years? Last year because of injury snapped his 5 year streak of hitting at least .280. He has still hit at least 25 homeruns and drove in at least 80 runs every year since 2010. I am not saying he is better than trout or McCucthen but he is still top 5 or 7 center fielders in the game.

[CKW11]

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Declining numbers for some years? Last year because of injury snapped his 5 year streak of hitting at least .280. He has still hit at least 25 homeruns and drove in at least 80 runs every year since 2010. I am not saying he is better than trout or McCucthen but he is still top 5 or 7 center fielders in the game.

Yeah I'd have to agree, he's pretty easily top 5 CFer. After Trout and Cutch, it's between Jones, Cain and Pollack.

[AC]

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Trout
Cutch
Cespedes
Cain
Pollock
Kiermaier
Pillar?
Eaton?
Herrera?
Polanco/Betts? (Not CFs but would take them)

Jones isn't top 10 imo

[NothingTrivial]

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This isn't realistic at all but what would fair value be for Deerfield Gordon. I just can't hit with him no matter what I do, so I'd like to move him for somewhere near fair value.

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[JDiaz1]

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Declining numbers for some years? Last year because of injury snapped his 5 year streak of hitting at least .280. He has still hit at least 25 homeruns and drove in at least 80 runs every year since 2010. I am not saying he is better than trout or McCucthen but he is still top 5 or 7 center fielders in the game.

Here are Jones' wRC+ from the last 5 seasons (league average is 100)

2012: 127
2013: 119
2014: 116
2015: 109
2016: 62

Now, lets look at the top 10 CF's last year in terms of WAR

1. Mike Trout (9.0 WAR)
2. A.J. Pollock (6.6 WAR)
3. Lorenzo Cain (6.6 WAR)
4. Andrew McCutchen (5.8 WAR)
5. Kevin Kiermaier (5.5 WAR)
6. Mookie Betts (4.8 WAR)
7. Kevin Pillar (4.3 WAR)
8. Odubel Herrera (3.9 WAR)
9. Adam Jones (3.6 WAR)
10. Adam Eaton (3.6 WAR)

So, as you can see... Jones is not a top 5 center fielder. Although Eaton and Betts are no longer center fielders, Jackie Bradley Jr. is a better player than Jones, so he would replace Betts on that list ahead of Jones, and Eaton is below him, so it doesn't really affect the list too much. Cespedes also plays CF most of the time now, so he too would slot ahead of Jones and push him down the list.

Jones still has his pop. But, his walk rate was 8th worst in all of baseball last year at just 4.1% (year before was 2.8% which is laughably bad). He still strikes out a fair amount, and despite the gold gloves (which is more proof how irrelevant they are) he has been a poor defender every year since 2009 besides 2014 and 2015. Yes, he will hit for a decent batting average, but batting average really isn't as valuable as it once was. Especially when you refuse to take a walk.

[WildPotato]

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Here are Jones' wRC+ from the last 5 seasons (league average is 100)

2012: 127
2013: 119
2014: 116
2015: 109
2016: 62

I agree with what you're saying, but come one now. April just ended, you can't exactly use 2016 as evidence when one month has been played.

[JDiaz1]

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I agree with what you're saying, but come one now. April just ended, you can't exactly use 2016 as evidence when one month has been played.

That is why I used a five year sample size. Even if I were to replace 2016 with 2011, his wRC+ was still just 109.