MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[k_mac]

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Would a package consisting of Soler, Montero and Dylan Cease be to much for Shields and Benthencourt? Hammel is out for year 8 games in and looking desperately for a replacement because I don't think I have anyone in house to carry the 5 spot. Or do I roll with what I have "rotating Peirce Johnson and Clayton Richard", until Im further along in season? Brought P Johnson up as I said and he came in extra innings in the 12th inning against Cincinnati and got manhandled. So my confidence with him is already shaky. Using Hybrid roster. Any advice is great. Along with Hammel I've also lost Russell 60 days to broken shin and Schwarber out year just for a side of realism...Tuff start lol.

If Hammel is only out one turn of the rotation, (unless you mean 8 starts) use Clayton Richard, Trevor Cahill, Adam Warren, or Travis Wood. All of those guys can start in a pinch. If you don't feel comfortable going through the order more than twice with them, use two in conjunction.

[Negan]

I'm sorry. He went out for the year 8 games into season.

[k_mac]

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I'm sorry. He went out for the year 8 games into season.

No, that's totally my fault. Didn't catch the out for the year part, was too caught up in the actual trade itself.

As for the trade, yes I think it is too much. I wouldn't give up Soler for Shields and his contract, even if he wasn't playing/playing poorly. Although what I said about Cahill and Warren still applies. I know the game doesn't reflect it with stamina (unless the hybrid does, haven't really looked that far into it..) but those guys would be the answer if Hammel went down IRL.

Shields is owed 42 million over the course of 2017 and 2018 in a player option, and he would be stupid to not take that. I don't really see the Cubs tying themselves to that kind of deal with the players they have on their roster that will either be free agents or up for arbitration bumps in the next two years. San Diego would have to eat a chunk of that deal to get anything like Soler (or Cease). Montero wouldn't really have much value to a team in that position.

There are cheaper, rental types out there that could be targeted if you just absolutely hate pitching with Adam Warren.

[pootytang]

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No, that's totally my fault. Didn't catch the out for the year part, was too caught up in the actual trade itself.

As for the trade, yes I think it is too much. I wouldn't give up Soler for Shields and his contract, even if he wasn't playing/playing poorly. Although what I said about Cahill and Warren still applies. I know the game doesn't reflect it with stamina (unless the hybrid does, haven't really looked that far into it..) but those guys would be the answer if Hammel went down IRL.

Shields is owed 42 million over the course of 2017 and 2018 in a player option, and he would be stupid to not take that. I don't really see the Cubs tying themselves to that kind of deal with the players they have on their roster that will either be free agents or up for arbitration bumps in the next two years. San Diego would have to eat a chunk of that deal to get anything like Soler (or Cease). Montero wouldn't really have much value to a team in that position.

There are cheaper, rental types out there that could be targeted if you just absolutely hate pitching with Adam Warren.

Yeah if the Cubs are dealing Soler they can get a better pitcher than Shields.

[Negan]

Ok thanks, I went with the trade finder on the game and got that offer so I guess in a desperate moment it raised an eyebrow.
I think I'll try a Warren/Richard combo until I'm closer to deadline depending on outcome and see what happens. I had brought up P Johnson and he is 2 days away from what's suppose to be his start so I'll atleast see how he does. Two big injuries in a matter of one game time really makes ya nervous lol

[k_mac]

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Ok thanks, I went with the trade finder on the game and got that offer so I guess in a desperate moment it raised an eyebrow.

I think I'll try a Warren/Richard combo until I'm closer to deadline depending on outcome and see what happens. I had brought up P Johnson and he is 2 days away from what's suppose to be his start so I'll atleast see how he does. Two big injuries in a matter of one game time really makes ya nervous lol

Absolutely. Thankfully for you, Javy Baez can hold down SS for at least 60 days. He's not a defensive liability and, if you can hit with him, can be productive.

I've always liked Johnson, but that has nothing to do with how he's pitched in the organization. He's had some really tough-luck types of injuries. Nothing that jumps out on paper as a mechanical flaw, just a bunch of random occurrences. I watched him throw in college and he was magnificent. It would be cool to see him put it all together.

I think if you're in need of a starter and want to move Soler, one of the Rays guys would be interesting. You'll have to give up Soler ++ for Archer and probably Soler + for guys like Odorizzi and Smyly.

[pootytang]

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Absolutely. Thankfully for you, Javy Baez can hold down SS for at least 60 days. He's not a defensive liability and, if you can hit with him, can be productive.

I've always liked Johnson, but that has nothing to do with how he's pitched in the organization. He's had some really tough-luck types of injuries. Nothing that jumps out on paper as a mechanical flaw, just a bunch of random occurrences. I watched him throw in college and he was magnificent. It would be cool to see him put it all together.

I think if you're in need of a starter and want to move Soler, one of the Rays guys would be interesting. You'll have to give up Soler ++ for Archer and probably Soler + for guys like Odorizzi and Smyly.

Soler doesn't even start a conversation about Archer. Archer is probably the most valuable pitcher in baseball.

Don't like Soler for Odo or Smyly either as the Rays outfield is already crowded and Soler's value is at an all time low. Any conversation with the Rays about SP needs to start with Baez

[AC]

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Soler doesn't even start a conversation about Archer. Archer is probably the most valuable pitcher in baseball.

Uhhh, what?

[pootytang]

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Uhhh, what?

Chris Archer, pitcher for the Tampa Bay Rays, has the most value of any pitcher in the MLB.

If you don't agree take it up with Jonah Keri

http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/03/04/mlb-trade-value-player-rankings-part-3

[Mattchu12]

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Chris Archer, pitcher for the Tampa Bay Rays, has the most value of any pitcher in the MLB.

If you don't agree take it up with Jonah Keri
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/03/04/mlb...ankings-part-3

I don't usually take absolute stances, but Jonah Keri is just wrong. Give me Chris Sale every day of the week.

[mockme]

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My original post got buried under the ongoing conversation, so I guess I'll ask again: what's Rosenthal's value? In last year's spreadsheet it's Low A+Mid B+High C. Something similar this year? His production really hasn't dropped in my franchise and closers seem to go for a lot more than bullpen guys generally should.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Chris Archer, pitcher for the Tampa Bay Rays, has the most value of any pitcher in the MLB.

If you don't agree take it up with Jonah Keri
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/03/04/mlb...ankings-part-3

I don't usually take absolute stances, but Jonah Keri is just wrong. Give me Chris Sale every day of the week.

Keri just loves Tampa Bay too much after he wrote that Moneyball knock-off book about ANDREW FRIEDMAN and the Rays (The 2% or whatever it was called). Can't help himself. He's objectively wrong and aside from striking everybody out, Archer is pitching like poop this year.

It doesn't even matter that he's making $30 million per year, Clayton Kershaw is the best value in baseball. He's on his way to becoming an all-timer and a pitcher that's a threat to win the MVP basically every year is unheard of. I'll put his surplus value up against anyone year in, year out.

[pootytang]

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Keri just loves Tampa Bay too much after he wrote that Moneyball knock-off book about ANDREW FRIEDMAN and the Rays (The 2% or whatever it was called). Can't help himself. He's objectively wrong and aside from striking everybody out, Archer is pitching like poop this year.

It doesn't even matter that he's making $30 million per year, Clayton Kershaw is the best value in baseball. He's on his way to becoming an all-timer and a pitcher that's a threat to win the MVP basically every year is unheard of. I'll put his surplus value up against anyone year in, year out.

Clayton makes 30 a year. Chris archer will make that over the next 5 years.

[MindBeats]

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I still don't get the love for Julio Teheran, at all.

Its cuz he has a star next to his name

[AC]

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Chris Archer, pitcher for the Tampa Bay Rays, has the most value of any pitcher in the MLB.

If you don't agree take it up with Jonah Keri
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/03/04/mlb...ankings-part-3

There is literally no methodology here. It's just arbitrary and ends up having Sonny Gray 20th (?????????????) and shocking that Keri would choose a Rays player. Bill Simmons of baseball. But yes, agreeing with pundits is the way to go.

And yes, Kershaw likely does edge out Archer when you use an actual methodology. But then Carrasco, Kluber, Bumgarner and Sale blow him out of the water. All are pitchers with essentially identical contracts who are just better.