Breaking pitches.

[ktd1976]

Re: Breaking pitches.

If it breaks arm side it's not a curve ball. You could miss direction and throw it inside but it won't break arm side.

Here's a fun video to watch curve nastiness, let me know if any of the curves break inside:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9Zyk2T37XDg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Gallardo has a true 12-6, nasty.

The first one thrown by Gallardo in that video actually appears to have a tiny bit of arm side movement.....

[oldtimey]

Re: Breaking pitches.

That's right. I was taught arm angle should, from shoulder to wrist, be a be backward "L" shape, with the wrist at the top of the "L" turned in with my thumb under the baseball. Then, at the release point, the wrist is snapped forward, resembling the action of pulling down a window shade. When the action is complete, your hand should resemble that same reverse "L" shape, with index and middle finger pointing toward first and your thumb up, pointing toward home plate, as you drive toward it. Not a wrist " twist," but a wrist "snap. That's the way I was taught, anyway. When I miss-timed the snap and the ball doesn't come out of my hand correctly, it will break from 12, but wind up on the arm side of 6, hanging on the inside corner for a righthanded hitter. That's what I have experienced.

[NDAlum]

Re: Breaking pitches.

The first one thrown by Gallardo in that video actually appears to have a tiny bit of arm side movement.....

I'm outta this thread lol, feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

[Speedy]

Re: Breaking pitches.

I don't understand how an overhead armslot curveball could break to the armside.

Phsyics defy this thinking based on the pressure points a pitcher applies and the torque of his wrist.

[ktd1976]

Re: Breaking pitches.

I don't understand how an overhead armslot curveball could break to the armside.

Phsyics defy this thinking based on the pressure points a pitcher applies and the torque of his wrist.

Overhead arm slot, it is very very unlikely. But if the arm slot is off a bit to the non throwing side, then the ball will go arm side. Conversely, if the arm slot is off a bit to the throwing side, the ball will go to the non throwing side.

It very rarely happens, but it CAN happen.

[kehlis]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Overhead arm slot, it is very very unlikely. But if the arm slot is off a bit to the non throwing side, then the ball will go arm side. Conversely, if the arm slot is off a bit to the throwing side, the ball will go to the non throwing side.

It very rarely happens, but it CAN happen.

In order for that to happen not only would the arm slot have to be off but so would the follow through which isn't going to happen to any pitcher.

In order to create the necessary spin the slot would have to be inside of where it's supposed to be but the follow through would have to go the opposite direction of what the pitcher always does which would never happen.

Even if the slot moves to the inside the follow through will still be straight down. Will result in a poor result but still wouldn't break arm side.

[Jr.]

Re: Breaking pitches.

If someone is trying to throw a curveball and it moves armside, there is something very wrong with how they are trying to throw it.

[Jr.]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Overhead arm slot, it is very very unlikely. But if the arm slot is off a bit to the non throwing side, then the ball will go arm side. Conversely, if the arm slot is off a bit to the throwing side, the ball will go to the non throwing side.

It very rarely happens, but it CAN happen.

Please show some video of a person whose arm slot is on their non-throwing side.

Wouldn't they just hit their own head as they tried to throw?

[Speedy]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Overhead arm slot, it is very very unlikely. But if the arm slot is off a bit to the non throwing side, then the ball will go arm side. Conversely, if the arm slot is off a bit to the throwing side, the ball will go to the non throwing side.

It very rarely happens, but it CAN happen.

If a pitcher is throwing on a 3/4 arm slot and his mechanics are off to where he throws it, idk, sidearm or 4/5 arm slot...how will that affect whether the ball runs toward the arm side like you're stating?

Even if a pitcher is submarine, the way the pitcher torques the wrist is the side the pitch will be thrown. Basically - whatever side the palm faces is where the pitch is heading.

Anyways...I think we're digressing from the primary objective of the thread, understanding/seeing different breaks for breaking balls in the video game.

[Garrett59]

Re: Breaking pitches.

This isn't completely true. When I pitched in little league I threw an arm side breaking ball with solid command. I made the county all star team 3 years in a row. Would love to hear your accolades, though. Just because we don't see it much doesn't mean it's impossible. It's just a technique that needs to be instituted at a young age. Muscle memory.

You wnat to know the difference? That County All Star will whiff on a hanging curve, but not big leaguers. You were most likely hanging your curve I highly doubt it was an effective pitch. And seriously who are you trying to impress county all start like really?

[eF 5ive]

Re: Breaking pitches.

You wnat to know the difference? That County All Star will whiff on a hanging curve, but not big leaguers. You were most likely hanging your curve I highly doubt it was an effective pitch. And seriously who are you trying to impress county all start like really?

Chill, Edgar Allen Bro. It's a county that's high on baseball. Plus I was an ace for our church league. The hostility isn't necessary. There are multiple factors that haven't been discussed such as wind variation and grip strength of pitcher. I measured my grip strength at 157 lbs of pressure in my prime. So obviously I am going to be able to throw my curves differently than someone inexperienced as yourself.

[kehlis]

Re: Breaking pitches.

Chill, Edgar Allen Bro. It's a county that's high on baseball. Plus I was an ace for our church league. The hostility isn't necessary. There are multiple factors that haven't been discussed such as wind variation and grip strength of pitcher. I measured my grip strength at 157 lbs of pressure in my prime. So obviously I am going to be able to throw my curves differently than someone inexperienced as yourself.

You fooled me once until I was filled in lol. Won't fool me again.

[zukes]

Re: Breaking pitches.

No, it doesn't. When a pitch backs up on somebody it means they released it incorrectly and missed their location. Therefore you might have the ball flatten out, be more up in the zone, and be closer to the heart/inside of the plate. The curve ball doesn't break arm side.

If you are throwing right over the top and your wrist turns over it absolutely can.

[RyanWreck]

Re: Breaking pitches.

The first one thrown by Gallardo in that video actually appears to have a tiny bit of arm side movement.....

He has never had armside run on his Curves, if anything he gets gloveside sweeping action (at one point his curve swept more than his slider). You can look at his whole career on Brooks, though I took relevant screenshots concerning his CB from 2012-now, which should cover the Curves seen in that video as most seem to come from 2013-2014 season. See:

http://imgur.com/a/HEO22

[Jr.]

Re: Breaking pitches.

If you are throwing right over the top and your wrist turns over it absolutely can.

Then it's not a curveball. You don't pronate your wrist on a curveball. The ball gets top spin, not arm-side spin.

Again, if you're trying to throw a curveball and it breaks arm side, you're doing it very, very wrong.