Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

[DarthRambo]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

If your highest rated stamina guys are 99, then, yes. Just subtract 15 from the starters' stamina rating. Your highest rated stamina guys should be 85. I know 99 - 15 = 84, but 85 seems like a better number for top of the scale. If you have minor league starters with ratings of 60-65, you can leave those alone. Make 60 the lowest rating you would give a starter. With my slider settings (Starter stamina = 4, reliver stamina = 0, manager hook = 5), a starter with a 60 stamina rating will give you a quality start of about 90-95 pitches. Oh, for the days of third-party tools that would allow you to global edit! This would be so easy.

I also have SP/RP stamina set at 4/0 and feel I get good results but not perfect. What about just lowering SP stamina to 3 or maybe even 2? Seems like that'd be easier than editing all the pitchers.

[oldtimey]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

I also have SP/RP stamina set at 4/0 and feel I get good results but not perfect. What about just lowering SP stamina to 3 or maybe even 2? Seems like that'd be easier than editing all the pitchers.

In my Show experience, the biggest impact on how the cpu handles pitch counts has been the stamina rating. I started experimenting with this in MLB The Show 13 after watching a cpu-cpu game with John Lackey, then of the Red Sox pitching a shutout until he had to be removed because of injury after throwing more than 150 pitches. The starter stamina slider setting set any lower than 4 makes the cpu manager anticipate a starter's fatigue rather react to it when it shows in the game. This was very glaring during the postseason with that exclusive postseason stamina "fix" in last year's game. To combat this, I had to max-out the setting to 10. At this setting, Kershaw pitched a complete game. But before I made this adjustment, the cpu removed starters without regards to pitch count.or effectiveness. It just determined the beginning of fatigue, then here comes the hook. I also believe that using the individual stamina ratings gives more varied results from game to game. Some good, some bad, but surely varied.

[DarthRambo]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

I find myself switching to control the cpu in order to properly manage their bullpen. That I don't mind as a "workaround" but trying to catch the cpu from not pulling their SP so early is difficult, but possible. But nonetheless I wish they could/would address this.

[oldtimey]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

I find myself switching to control the cpu in order to properly manage their bullpen. That I don't mind as a "workaround" but trying to catch the cpu from not pulling their SP so early is difficult, but possible. But nonetheless I wish they could/would address this.

I do not pitch or hiit for either team. I am strictly a cpu-cpu player. The only time I intervene in a live game is when the cpu manager pinch hits or runs for the catcher and puts that player behind the plate, irregardless of their fielding ratings or which arm he throws with. Or when the cpu puts a left-handed thrower in an infield position other than first base. I want as little to do with the final score as possible. That's the way I play. With the adjustments I have tried to explain and slider settings, The Show plays the most compelling game of baseball I have ever witnessed, with me acting as 30-team GM, announcer (I always turn the announcers off) and Baseball God. I tried to get into OOTP, but it's biggest weakness is in-game management. I want little to do the games I watch as possible. I would not be in my 4th franchise seaon of The Show if it did not play itself well, game to game, after some adjustments, slider settings and/or house rules. I have been playing baseball sims this way since the 1980s and Earl Weaver baseball on the Commodore 64.

[KBLover]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

I just faced a cp who went 10 innings

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Game went 21 innings in a franchise player lock game. My last at bat rosenthal threw his 180th pitch

Did they run out of pitchers or something? Wow

[Smallville102001]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

Last game I had, playing against Padres as A's. Down 7-8 in the Bottom of the 9th.

Padres bring in Drew Pomeranz to start the 9th, gets 1st out.

Padres bring in Carlos Villanueva to relieve, Gets 2nd out.

Padres bring in Fernando Rodney(Closer) to Close, gets 3rd out.

This needs to patched badly.

Wow I have never seen that before in like any year of the show. I have always found Bullpen usage to be a issue in the show though. I don't think the CPU is bad when it comes to pulling starters. I think the issue is they don't use guys the way they should when it comes to left and rightly match ups. Also Bullpen pitchers have way to long of a leash.

[digger3210]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

Did they run out of pitchers or something? Wow

Yeah, it looks like they burnt the entire bullpen. Looks like there is no logic for the CPU to bring in a starter or position player in that situation.

Really don't see how THIS specific situation is a deal breaker. How often do you see 20+ inning games?

[Dynasty Legend 99]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

I always set my Manager Hook to 4 on Starters (Depending on the Place in the Rotation I'm Facing) However, I always switch to 10 immediately when they go to the bullpen. The only thing for me that really needs fixing is the fact of the Closer not coming in right away in a save situation.

[countryboy]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

I must say the more I play the game, the more I believe that this aspect of the game has been improved. Could it be better? Yes absolutely, but I'm seeing the cpu make "better" decisions with using his bullpen than I have in past releases of the Show.

[Dynasty Legend 99]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

I must say the more I play the game, the more I believe that this aspect of the game has been improved. Could it be better? Yes absolutely, but I'm seeing the cpu make "better" decisions with using his bullpen than I have in past releases of the Show.

Perhaps you're right. I've only played 3 full (Broadcast 9 innings) games at this point since release. Sample Size.

[KBLover]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

Yeah, it looks like they burnt the entire bullpen. Looks like there is no logic for the CPU to bring in a starter or position player in that situation.

Can you bring in a starter?

I know when I go to the bullpen screen, I don't see my other SP listed.

Which is funny because we CAN leave a position player out there (PH for pitcher and don't relieve...though I don't know how AL teams can do it), but you can't warm up a SP.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

Can you bring in a starter?

I know when I go to the bullpen screen, I don't see my other SP listed.

Which is funny because we CAN leave a position player out there (PH for pitcher and don't relieve...though I don't know how AL teams can do it), but you can't warm up a SP.

I forget which shoulder button it is (L2? R1?) but yeah you can; they're just on a different page from the rest of the relievers.

[The Kid 24]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

If your highest rated stamina guys are 99, then, yes. Just subtract 15 from the starters' stamina rating. Your highest rated stamina guys should be 85. I know 99 - 15 = 84, but 85 seems like a better number for top of the scale. If you have minor league starters with ratings of 60-65, you can leave those alone. Make 60 the lowest rating you would give a starter. With my slider settings (Starter stamina = 4, reliver stamina = 0, manager hook = 5), a starter with a 60 stamina rating will give you a quality start of about 90-95 pitches. Oh, for the days of third-party tools that would allow you to global edit! This would be so easy.

Thanks!

Think I know what I'm doing when OSFM comes out.

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[Smallville102001]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

I always set my Manager Hook to 4 on Starters (Depending on the Place in the Rotation I'm Facing) However, I always switch to 10 immediately when they go to the bullpen. The only thing for me that really needs fixing is the fact of the Closer not coming in right away in a save situation.

Like how much of a differences is there between Manager hook at 5 default and 10 when it comes to the way the CPU uses there Bullpen?

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Elephant in the Room: AI Bullpen Usage

Like how much of a differences is there between Manager hook at 5 default and 10 when it comes to the way the CPU uses there Bullpen?

It's hard to say because while it may fix one problem, it inevitably can create another (like the closer being pulled before ever blowing a save).

I'm holding out hope this can still be addressed this year, and soon.