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  • tessl
    All Star
    • Apr 2007
    • 5683

    #16
    Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

    Potential doesn't tell the whole story. If the CPU is now paying attention to attributes instead of drafting high potential guys who are many years away from ever reaching MLB then it is an improvement.

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    • KBLover
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2009
      • 12172

      #17
      Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

      Originally posted by NDAlum
      I don't feel like it's too easy at all. I snagged a stud with my first pick but it was luck. The 2nd round catcher has a low ceiling but is a guy who can play soon.
      Agreed. My draft was 3 B's, 3 D's, and a C. Hardly dominant.

      And two of those B's were "luck picks" so it could have been a totally awful draft.



      Originally posted by sccavs64
      Really wish they would allow you to start scouting in spring training, an extra 30 days of scouting would be super helpful.
      Yeah, either that or speed up how fast you finish scouting a player (or make EFF more potent), even if the "balance" would be a little more inaccuracy "in the green".
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      • NDAlum
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        • Jun 2010
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        #18
        Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

        Originally posted by IUThor40
        It hasn't happened to me in every draft (I've completed 5), but in 2 of those 5 drafts, there were a handful of guys that were low 60s overall with A potential taken in the 3-6 rounds. That was nice to see as well.
        I think the only A POT guys I had were the blue chips. So you can definitely have "down" years which I'm sure my draft was.

        Originally posted by tessl
        Potential doesn't tell the whole story. If the CPU is now paying attention to attributes instead of drafting high potential guys who are many years away from ever reaching MLB then it is an improvement.
        You can make a case either way. I mean a guy like Jose Berrios was taken by MIN in the 1st round and he is just now making his MLB debut 4 years later ('12 to '16).

        Who's to say the #2 pick in my draft (44 ovr 91 pot OF) can't make the big league club in 3-4 years?

        With that said I'm likely going to make the top 15 picks of the MLB draft have a "floor" of 55 OVR. So I'll improve his ratings anyways so the CPU doesn't take super long project guys and just to get things moving faster. They could still not pan out.
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        • tessl
          All Star
          • Apr 2007
          • 5683

          #19
          Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

          Originally posted by NDAlum


          You can make a case either way. I mean a guy like Jose Berrios was taken by MIN in the 1st round and he is just now making his MLB debut 4 years later ('12 to '16).

          Who's to say the #2 pick in my draft (44 ovr 91 pot OF) can't make the big league club in 3-4 years?

          With that said I'm likely going to make the top 15 picks of the MLB draft have a "floor" of 55 OVR. So I'll improve his ratings anyways so the CPU doesn't take super long project guys and just to get things moving faster. They could still not pan out.

          That's true but with performance now a major factor in progression I would lean toward a C with good attributes than an A who isn't even ready for AA ball. I used to feel guilty about robbing good players with mediocre potential while the CPU wasted picks on A potential guys with poor attributes.

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          • KBLover
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2009
            • 12172

            #20
            Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

            Originally posted by tessl
            That's true but with performance now a major factor in progression I would lean toward a C with good attributes than an A who isn't even ready for AA ball. I used to feel guilty about robbing good players with mediocre potential while the CPU wasted picks on A potential guys with poor attributes.

            I don't know if I'd call it major. I have guys sucking eggs in AA but still gaining attributes. Likewise, the kids doing well don't have more + points than the rest.

            If a kid is that raw, I'd just leave him in A-ball. That way no worries about poor performance and he still gain progression. A-ball does exist, even if it doesn't make stats.

            Assuming players are both young and at a position I want, I'll always lean towards the 40/90 over the 70/75 types. I'm still counting on "luck" in development with the average-but-no-upside types - this time he has to do so well that he'll get elevated projections. I think that's more difficult/uncertain than a 40/90 type doing decent in AA and slowing his development with poor performance, assuming it impacts him that much...and nothing says he can't struggle. I've had 70/A prospects go nowhere. But at least that upside buys more room to fall. 90 falling 10 points is still solid. A 75 falling 10 points is fodder.

            I know performance is supposed to be a factor this year, but after watching my carryover prospect this season and my new MLB16 team's prospects...I'm starting to wonder just how impacting it really is.
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            • NDAlum
              ND
              • Jun 2010
              • 11453

              #21
              Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

              Originally posted by tessl
              That's true but with performance now a major factor in progression I would lean toward a C with good attributes than an A who isn't even ready for AA ball. I used to feel guilty about robbing good players with mediocre potential while the CPU wasted picks on A potential guys with poor attributes.
              I'm not trying to be smart...but have you played the game this year?

              My first two picks were absolute crap shoots and I got lucky. Outside of the blue chips you really don't know what you're going to get unless you luck out and have some studs scouted.

              There's no way I could cherry pick the best players out there.
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              • tessl
                All Star
                • Apr 2007
                • 5683

                #22
                Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

                Originally posted by NDAlum
                I'm not trying to be smart...but have you played the game this year?

                My first two picks were absolute crap shoots and I got lucky. Outside of the blue chips you really don't know what you're going to get unless you luck out and have some studs scouted.

                There's no way I could cherry pick the best players out there.
                To answer your question I have played the game this year, last year, year before that etc. I also have played High Heat baseball, Tony LaRussa Baseball, Earl Weaver Baseball and Micro League Baseball. Before that I played strat-o-matic and when I was a kid I actually played baseball (although I wasn't very good).

                If you re-read my post you might discover I was talking about previous versions of the show.

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                • Sgexpat
                  Rookie
                  • May 2016
                  • 292

                  #23
                  Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

                  Originally posted by sccavs64
                  Last year was so ridiculous, you could find a All-Star caliber player in round 7 with your eyes closed.
                  I never experienced this but I was probably doing something wrong - I have read whatever tips I could find online but really never understood it. I only ever got prospects by trading for them or 1st / 2nd round guys. the mid/ late rounders I drafted were all worthless really.

                  Could anyone point me to any resource to learn how to do this properly?

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                  • IUThor40
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 173

                    #24
                    Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

                    Originally posted by Sgexpat
                    I never experienced this but I was probably doing something wrong - I have read whatever tips I could find online but really never understood it. I only ever got prospects by trading for them or 1st / 2nd round guys. the mid/ late rounders I drafted were all worthless really.

                    Could anyone point me to any resource to learn how to do this properly?
                    Best way to figure things out is just to do a practice 'chise and just sim through do different drafts with scouting along the way. Just figure out what works for you and then go back to your real franchise.
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                    • sccavs64
                      Pro
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 587

                      #25
                      Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

                      Originally posted by IUThor40
                      Best way to figure things out is just to do a practice 'chise and just sim through do different drafts with scouting along the way. Just figure out what works for you and then go back to your real franchise.
                      I agree ^^ I probably did 50 "test" drafts before I felt like I got the hang of scouting and drafting and started a franchise for real.

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                      • tessl
                        All Star
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 5683

                        #26
                        Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

                        Originally posted by Sgexpat
                        I never experienced this but I was probably doing something wrong - I have read whatever tips I could find online but really never understood it. I only ever got prospects by trading for them or 1st / 2nd round guys. the mid/ late rounders I drafted were all worthless really.

                        Could anyone point me to any resource to learn how to do this properly?
                        Hire good scouts - spend the money. Figure out what kind of players you are looking for and discover and scout that type of player.

                        If you are looking for a leadoff man scout speed and contact. Looking for a power hitter scout power. For starting pitchers I discover makeup and scout for h/9 and bb/9 and since stamina doesn't seem to progress only draft starting pitchers who have good stamina. A bad defensive catcher will cost more runs than he will get with his bat so I scout defense first at catcher - same with shortstop.

                        Avoid any player with high injury risk.

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                        • Syce
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                          • Dec 2012
                          • 1386

                          #27
                          Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

                          my first draft class in my blue jays franchise there was a total stud in the draft 76 overall with a 98 Potential and 18 or 19 years old. but i had a late first round pick and another team picked him up
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                          • Ghost Of The Year
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                            • Mar 2014
                            • 6354

                            #28
                            Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

                            Originally posted by Sycecg
                            my first draft class in my blue jays franchise there was a total stud in the draft 76 overall with a 98 Potential and 18 or 19 years old. but i had a late first round pick and another team picked him up
                            You mean he wasn't the overall number one pick?
                            T-BONE.

                            Talking about things nobody cares.

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                            • KBLover
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 12172

                              #29
                              Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question.

                              Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
                              You mean he wasn't the overall number one pick?
                              Yeah really. That's Bryce Harper-esque right there.
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                              • mwjr
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 1393

                                #30
                                Re: Franchise drafting/scouting question

                                I just got the game. Is anyone having issues with the scouts auto scouting even though you have it set to manual in the mode specific settings?

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