MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Presentation & Commentary

[Cory4AU]

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I really hope we will see her in MLB The Show 18 as a Studio update reporter!

Even just her voice with fancy MLB Network Stat overlays would be fantastic!

Please don't post pictures of my girlfriend again without my permission. Thanks.


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[KnightTemplar]

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Commentary is tough...you can't be all things to all people.

What gets old?
anecdotes
commentary tied to a certain type of hit
any type of joking back and forth between announcers


What does not get old?
comments on player performance during game
comments on player performance during season
comments on player career numbers
stats on how player has performed against pitcher in past
comments on current standings, races

You can see that the items that do not get old are pretty much all stats based...and that's just a few examples. The color guys get old, drag the commentary down to a certain degree. No knock on these guys as announcers, but it is the paradigm the game has to use.

Baseball is about stats. The game sounds fresh, and real, when stats are referenced throughout the broadcast. Personally, I don't really care if Player X spent his summers swinging a bat in a swimming pool (just an example). Stuff like that will be repeated over and over. I usually wind up shutting down the color guys and just listening to PbP during the game.

C

Now, there's a thoughtful post. This is something that might be taken to heart. I can do without a joke, or funny line. I remember some of the commentary being player/team specific (something like Matt Cain is the backbone of the Giants pitching staff.....note: I'm just paraphrasing and don't recall if that was in the game or not, but something like that). But that ruined immersion if Cain got traded and it was said again.

Immersion is when I hear an amazing "He went 0-5 in yesterday's game". Amazing how that is slipped into the game. The "funny" lines seem to be too often repeated (Remember Hudler saying something about "meat", but can't quite recall the line).

[Speedy]

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For the record, I wasn't talking specifically about you but OS in general. Sorry if it came off that way since I was responding to your post. We don't care that we don't have any competition currently. We still strive every year to make the best baseball game ever. We put our all into it. We appreciate that you guys are the hardcore fans and we all want to make the best game possible for you guys. Kirby along with Compton have only had a year and a half on The Show handling play by play and color commentary full time to make their mark on it. Give them some time. They have big plans for it but it's all not going to happen at once.

ETA: And by all means, keep the feedback coming. You guys have some great ideas. You all are passionate fans. We like that we have a partnership with the community and that you guys continue to push us to make the best baseball game we can.

The bolded gets lost with people here on OS.

I don't believe for a second SCEA is lazy or goes the easy way out...rather, they have integrity and dignity to ensure the game is the absolute best of the franchise. Also, they're baseball fans like us! If I recall, one of the devs was talking about their RTTS season last year and how some of the changes this year has him really excited for his own playing.

Whether there is competition such as 2K or another firm, or if SCEA is the only baseball product out there...I truly believe each year's game is the best their team can provide.

[Speedy]

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I understand your point but I don't believe it's naive to think competition isn't necessary to drive a company to new heights. If EA Sports was remaking MVP, I don't think that would change SCEA's model, ideas or gameplans for each years iteration. I believe they've proven, by their own full disclosure and willingness to listen/discuss to their fans that they strive to make the best game that the fans want. Ultimately, competition doesn't matter as much as making a product that satisfies its users.

In any event...that's going outside of the thread here. Send me a PM if you want to discuss it further.

[Caulfield]

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Commentary is tough...you can't be all things to all people.

What gets old?
anecdotes
commentary tied to a certain type of hit
any type of joking back and forth between announcers


What does not get old?
comments on player performance during game
comments on player performance during season
comments on player career numbers
stats on how player has performed against pitcher in past
comments on current standings, races

You can see that the items that do not get old are pretty much all stats based...and that's just a few examples. The color guys get old, drag the commentary down to a certain degree. No knock on these guys as announcers, but it is the paradigm the game has to use.

Baseball is about stats. The game sounds fresh, and real, when stats are referenced throughout the broadcast. Personally, I don't really care if Player X spent his summers swinging a bat in a swimming pool (just an example). Stuff like that will be repeated over and over. I usually wind up shutting down the color guys and just listening to PbP during the game.

C

I dont know how many linbes of commentary was in previous Shows but the over 15,000 added just in 17 makes me think its going to be tough to hear repeats in the same game, at least I hope so.

as for the Shows competition I feel like they do have some really formidable competion, just not from where you would normally expect it. Namely Madde, NBA2K, CoD, Battlefield, GTA, Overwatch and a few others.

[MetsFan16]

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NBA2k gets a ton of commentary love but I was already hearing repeated anecdotes after an hour or two of play. It sounds great and natural but I'd still mute it if I played that game more than casually. I'd preferably have all anecdotes and jokey back and forth removed and focus exclusively on short and sweet PBP, stats and limited situational analysis. I'd also limit the number of different lines and instead record as many takes as possible of each line reading with an emphasis on bringing varying levels of emotion/interest into the booth just as happens in real life from game to game. Opening day announcing ≠ dog days of summer announcing ≠ WS game 7 announcing.

And you're right about where The Show's competition lies. Unfortunately, I think that mostly leads to competition over casual gamers with a focus on superficial elements such as graphics, presentation and, even worse, coming up with ways to make the game as easy and quick to play as possible. For example, your average casual baseball gamer isn't going to care that he couldn't hit Texas leaguers (loved seeing them in one of the streams btw) but the quick counts and fast play options already introduced are sure to make them happy and this year's retro mode gameplay is tailor made for them.

You're right about this. As you can see from the Franchise Video posted today, it's all about how to get through a season faster. Other sports games offer 81 or 16 games per season! Fans of other sports see 162 and almost wet themselves. That's why RTTS and DD are the most popular modes.

That leaves those who play most if not all 162 wishing for more immersive features (which I'm sure they will announce later this week).

However, with these new additions to make seasons go by faster, more people buy the game because the task isn't as daunting, more copies sold, more resources for next years cycle.

[knich]

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Are you kidding me? That horse is a liquid now. You guys have beaten it so hard and for so long that there are no solids left. Believe me, we're well aware of your issue with Matt. The more you continue to pound on it isn't going to make a difference. We're doing our best to address it but even with thousands of new Vasgersian lines, this year was primarily about replacing 10 years of color commentary. No small feat. Our entire team is only about a quarter the size of 2Ks. There's only so much we can do in a year. We busted our butts this year to get in all that we could. I'm sure we set a single year record for time in the recording studio for the 15 years I've been working on this game.

But by all means, continue to beat this horse. You're only going to splatter yourself with horse matter.

I did not know that. Amazing work given your size. You have my ok to hire more people.

For the record, I wasn't talking specifically about you but OS in general. Sorry if it came off that way since I was responding to your post. We don't care that we don't have any competition currently. We still strive every year to make the best baseball game ever. We put our all into it. We appreciate that you guys are the hardcore fans and we all want to make the best game possible for you guys. Kirby along with Compton have only had a year and a half on The Show handling play by play and color commentary full time to make their mark on it. Give them some time. They have big plans for it but it's all not going to happen at once.

ETA: And by all means, keep the feedback coming. You guys have some great ideas. You all are passionate fans. We like that we have a partnership with the community and that you guys continue to push us to make the best baseball game we can.

You can definitely learn a lot from 2k12 presentation and broadcast. I hope you have a look.

Here's random sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ecTkbyTX3w.

The in play camera and cut scenes are also fantastic.

[kaptainkarl76]

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If 15000 lines are added..how many are removed?

[Caulfield]

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If 15000 lines are added..how many are removed?

With all of Karros' and Psychos gone, I bet at least 80% if not all of Mattys are gone as well.

[MythicalGnome]

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I understand your point but I don't believe it's naive to think competition isn't necessary to drive a company to new heights. If EA Sports was remaking MVP, I don't think that would change SCEA's model, ideas or gameplans for each years iteration. I believe they've proven, by their own full disclosure and willingness to listen/discuss to their fans that they strive to make the best game that the fans want. Ultimately, competition doesn't matter as much as making a product that satisfies its users.

In any event...that's going outside of the thread here. Send me a PM if you want to discuss it further.

Definitely, this is true to some extent. But if MVP came out with photorealistic grass and players you better bet your bum The Show team would be working overtime to match that. And they don't seem interested atm, though, small strides are being made here and there. The players are improving very much, but this has also been due for years.

It's crazy that anyone thinks this, and that so many people agree here. SCEA's gameplan would definitely change and react to competition lol. This is how business works. To deny this is to deny reality. Sony is a very conservative company. Some studios have a long leash and some do not. I doubt SD has a super long leash, as in they are allowed to do their own thing in the face of hard competition.

It's always easy to say we would not change when there is no competition. The minute things heat up is the minute things start changing faster. Been there done that. Happens every single time.

But.... there is no competition. So there ya go.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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First of all, this "The Show doesn't have any competition" thing is beyond beating a dead horse. That horse is also liquid by now. Been there, done that, nothing new under the sun for anyone to add.

Secondly, for all the "competition makes the world go 'round" side of the argument being presented here, your argument lacks two main pieces.

A. The devs are competing against themselves to actually be good at their jobs. This piece of the puzzle is CONSTANTLY left out by people clamoring for more companies to be making mediocre baseball games just for the sake of "competition." The devs also play the game and want a good game just as much as we all do. That is plenty of motivation without the boogeyman of external competition. Personally, I don't need to "compete" against anyone externally to want to be good/better at my job. I think a lot of people take pride in what they do and don't need to be coerced into trying harder to be good.

B. They have plenty of competition for our time. They don't have to be competing against another baseball game to try to keep our attention on this game. There is a whole world of other activities, video game and otherwise, that their product is always competing against for our time and money. If the game ever falls behind and the devs get lazy, then people will spend their time elsewhere. And then people get laid off.

Third of all, I just don't get what SCEA's level of competition has to do with the specific presentation and commentary features at hand (that we are supposed to be discussing in this thread in the first place).

[JustSteve]

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Yeah, I brought up competition but we have no control over what other companies do. When I started working on baseball at SDS, we had lots of competition. EA, Acclaim, Midway, 3DO (High Heat), and later 2K. Somehow we're the last ones standing. We're not going anywhere.

Bring it!

[jeffy777]

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Yeah, I brought up competition but we have no control over what other companies do. When I started working on baseball at SDS, we had lots of competition. EA, Acclaim, Midway, 3DO (High Heat), and later 2K. Somehow we're the last ones standing. We're not going anywhere.

Bring it!

[Blzer]

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I guess Plesac will be the first time the Show gets commentary from a pitchers perspective.
And I cant remember the last time any game had a former pitcher on the commentary crew.If ever?

Mike Krukow of the MVP Baseball series. Can't think of any others.

As for competition talk, I believe it potentially breeds excellence (though based on the horse's mouth, you can't deny they do that already), but it is probably best for consumer only, not the companies themselves. The only real advantage I can see for a company is other games can inspire them to do new things that no one else had done before. I remember when some game (maybe a 2K game?) started with an e-mail system to the GM/Owner, what have you. Every game after that put it in. Things like that really bring about the best in game quality, but as I said that helps out the customer more than anybody else.

I may miss competition because I miss choice and flavor, but if there was only one PS4 baseball game out on the market, I'm sure glad this is the one. Too bad it didn't work that way for football.

[Blzer]

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