MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Presentation & Commentary

[bcruise]

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Regarding the stadium tagging (which is a cool addition), I am curious if the balls that hit off the metal out of town score board at Fenway Park's Green Monster will resonate with a loud metal "twang" like they do in the real world. Last year I played the season with the Sox and was disappointed that there was no difference in the sound regarding what part of the Green Monster the ball hit. Perhaps I played with the Sox one year too soon?

That's actually a good question, and while I can't give a yes or no (I don't know, I'm in the same position as you), it's something we might be able to infer from what we were shown in the stream. This goes into the stadium meshes I was talking about, and it's a good opportunity to explain it.



Notice how the top half of the monster (not including the seats, I mean the wall itself) is colored differently from the bottom half? Those are two different meshes and the game engine sees them as two different surfaces. That means that they can trigger different effects. Like, say, if a ball hits one of them. Just like Matt can now tell when a ball landed on Sheffield Avenue in Wrigley, the game has knowledge of exactly what surface the ball is striking on the Green Monster, and yes - theoretically could make a more metallic sound when striking the lower half of the board. Matt might even be able to say it hit off the scoreboard.

It's important to note this is only possibility - we won't likely know if it does these things unless devs tell us or we see it in the game. But this stadium tagging thing is the framework for things like that to happen. That's why those of us who understand it are really excited about said possibilities.

[jeffy777]

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That's one of the biggest issues if not the biggest with MLB The Show 17 and all earlier versions it does not sound fluid enough! Like I already said MLB 2K's Commentary is definitely not perfect but remember it's also now a 3 or 4 year old game.

I am sure if MLB 2K17 was being released the Commentary would be mind blowing at this point.

Also I love that you here a woman from a studio talking about the match up before you enter the game. Now that they have MLB Network something like that should also be in MLB The Show!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGFOO4ijZs

Or if you go back to MLB 2K7 you even see outside shots of the stadium and fans walking around stadium Concourse. Hard to believe this was done 10 years ago and MLB The Show still has nothing like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj-92WP6NB8&t=472s

MLB 2k7 had some good pre-game coverage that's for sure. Plus when you paused the game, often they would show some cool panoramic shots of the stadiums and it wasn't always the same shot. Each stadium had 3 or 4 different panoramic shots to choose from.

Yes, 2K7 was very polished for its time. Would love to see pre-game stuff like that in The Show.

[knich]

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Matt Vasgersian's real life commentary is very exciting!! but he's boring in the game. Why?! T.T

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- NBA 2K -

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- EA MADDEN NFL -

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Thanks for this. Hockey still has a ways to go. Ferraro is horrible and repetitive and does not feel part of broadcast. Doc and Eddie are pretty good but way too many repetitive lines.

[videobastard]

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I was asking and hoping for gary thorne and harold reynolds years ago. Gary thorne's commentary sounds more fluid and comes off like he was talking in a real life game. At least reynolds is in. Once the developers said matt is here to stay, it became more about only replacing the other commentators unfortunately.

[Blzer]

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Why aren't more people excited about the stadium tagging? That's a really cool feature. Imagine you're chising as the Cubs and Matt V notes that the ball went onto Sheffield Ave. A hugely immersive tidbit for the home team.

You must've missed my posts. This is one feature that is just very underlooked in the baseball video game library. Only two games now will have featured this. Maybe they can start improving them year after year, where there can be "midway up the bleachers," "high up the scoreboard," etc. Even get Harold and Dan into the conversation as they continue it in the replay, and at the end of the inning.

One can really go places with features like this. It just depends on how far the developers ever plan to take it. Knowing SDS, this is just "year one" of including stadium tags, and next year we will get a 2.0 facelift even for this! Speaking of which...

Pine no more.

Ya'll truly are the best. Already two steps ahead of me.

[knich]

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I was asking and hoping for gary thorne and harold reynolds years ago. Gary thorne's commentary sounds more fluid and comes off like he was talking in a real life game. At least reynolds is in. Once the developers said matt is here to stay, it became more about only replacing the other commentators unfortunately.

I agree Gary Thorne is the best though I hate the Orioles. Very happy with additions though.

[jorge380]

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Yes, 2K7 was very polished for its time. Would love to see pre-game stuff like that in The Show.

Even MLB2K announcers told us about batters stats vs pitcher on every at bat. The show finally doing this in MLB 17.

[MythicalGnome]

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Please don't destroy me with hateful comments for pointing out a simple fix. For those of you that complain about the nationals jersey color looking off, or the grass looking washed out etc... this was bothering me too in the past and I've found that if I simply make a few minor tweaks to my tvs picture menu, for the most part these problems are fixed. I'm at work now l, but I can and will post picture or video later

This does not work and is not a definitive fix or any kind of fix. The grass is always going to look washed out. You can pump your color if you want to but it isn't suddenly going to make poorly shaded and colored grass look like reality. That is an inherent engine characteristic of the game and your TV is not going to change it. Coding is what will change it. Many of us know exactly what we are doing with our sets, have calibrated sets, and have done the same thing you are doing to make the picture look better. And it doesn't work much at all.

If you exacerbate contrast and color settings for one part of the game other parts start to look off. And the whole color scheme and lighting in this game is not realistic for grass and dirt. With advancements in other Sony studios people are expecting more when it comes to grass, dirt, lighting, and overall realism.

And this is not because we do not have HDR, or we have poorly tuned sets. The game seems like it is just entering into the HD world. In a year or two it should look much better and more cohesive. They just ditched the PS3 this year so it may take some time. But we hope it improves drastically in the next few years.

[kaptainkarl76]

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Regarding the stadium tagging (which is a cool addition), I am curious if the balls that hit off the metal out of town score board at Fenway Park's Green Monster will resonate with a loud metal "twang" like they do in the real world. Last year I played the season with the Sox and was disappointed that there was no difference in the sound regarding what part of the Green Monster the ball hit. Perhaps I played with the Sox one year too soon?

The sound of a baseball whapping sheet metal sound..It's a beautiful sound and loud..

[Blzer]

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Notice how the top half of the monster (not including the seats, I mean the wall itself) is colored differently from the bottom half? Those are two different meshes and the game engine sees them as two different surfaces. That means that they can trigger different effects. Like, say, if a ball hits one of them. Just like Matt can now tell when a ball landed on Sheffield Avenue in Wrigley, the game has knowledge of exactly what surface the ball is striking on the Green Monster, and yes - theoretically could make a more metallic sound when striking the lower half of the board. Matt might even be able to say it hit off the scoreboard.

I'm definitely certain the tagging is there to note that Matt will say one versus the other.

As far as the sound difference, I'm hopeful they even at least put in the same sound that you when it's hit off of the foul pole (assuming they don't have another sound for it in place yet, that would be the closest substitute I suppose).

If that's the case, I really wish they would get some more ball-off-bat sounds. I think they have like four: one for a normal hit, bunt, foul tip, and broken bat hit. I'm not certain because I haven't played in a while, but at least from the videos I can't also seem to differentiate hits that are long home runs, jam jobs, cued off the end of the bat, or even contact from a check swing.

Our GameStop Mondays trailer on presentation had a swing at the very end of the video with a different hit sound effect, and I don't know if I liked it more or not, but I did note how different it sounded. Unfortunately, I think it was only used for the trailer, and wasn't necessarily a sound recapture. Listen to the Turner home run at 1:52 to hear what I'm talking about (not the one at 1:49, which also sounds different but then again we thankfully don't have slow-mo contact sounds in replay anymore).


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Do I want that exact sound? Not necessarily. Am I looking for a different sound for hits soon enough? Probably. If not, at least differentiating those different hit types that I mentioned above.

[RogerDodger]

I absolutely love the MLB Network presentation, although I was hoping it would be a fourth option and not a replacement for one of the three from last year.

[RogerDodger]

After reading this thread, I think some people need to change their mindset in how this game is delivered. SSDS has done what they can, and that I can get behind and respect. They have changed and fixed the Astros throwback road jersey after years, they have added the alternates, they have added closed roofs, they have added improved player models, they have brought in PBR, they are trying to incorporate PS Pro tech...


They're doing what they can with what they have and the people that are there.


That's all I ask, and thank you very much. This game has actively gotten massively better (literally night and day) between MLB 15 and MLB 17. I don't get why they are so honor-bound by the style guide being wrong, but it's been explained multiple times that the style guide is the law. Whatever the jerseys look like in the 'real world' means absolutely nothing to the work of SSDS. The style guide is what matters. You've got to get your head in that space. It took me awhile too.

But they are trying, and that's what I ask.


It's literally -- a whole new ballgame.

Such a good post :thumbs:

[Reed1417]

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I agree Gary Thorne is the best though I hate the Orioles. Very happy with additions though.

Hate the O's how is that possible? I mean unless you're a Red Sox or Yankees fan then I can understand [emoji14] they always beat up on my Birds.

Reed is comin' atcha!

[aguero90]

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My top 3 announcers: Tom Hamelton, John Sterling, Jon Miller. Thorne right behind them. I base it on excitement, entertainment, and voice. Notice how I put my teams voice second, I love John Sterling, but Tom is a bit better in terms of excitement on every play. Love the new commentary!! I think tagging will make a world of difference in terms of emersion.

[Impetuous65]

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Last year they introduced stories into the commentary. Now that the other 2 dudes are gone, I'm wondering if that advancement is a one and done project. Or will they do like most companies re-introduce it as a feature down the line.