MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[rtwilli4]

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But to me that's a bad trade for the Braves. These are my two favourite teams and Baez is one of my favourite players but I'm not convinced he will ever get any better at the plate. No discipline.


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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The Cubs need a starting pitcher now. That's true no matter how their staff is performing in your franchise.

If Tehran is pitching better than 3 of the 5 Cubs starters then maybe him and another pitcher. If the Cubs aren't struggling then it would probably have to be Newcomb. Or Inciarte as they really need a solid CF who can lead off.

Inciarte is more valuable than Baez

[brandonholmes]

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Eloy Jimenez in return be good than?

Sorry man, got busy.

Reports say the Sox wanted Martes, Tucker and Paulino from the Astros in the off-season for Quintana. With that as the baseline, and using some deals we already agreed to, I would think Baez, Jimenez + De La Cruz is probably a fair deal. Baez complicates things because he's already established, but that's reflected in the lower tier third piece you're getting.

That third piece is flexible depending on how Quintana is pitching, etc, but I think if you want Baez and Jimenez, you can get them pretty easily with Quintana. He's insanely valuable.

[rtwilli4]

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Inciarte is more valuable than Baez

I agree. But the Cubs love Baez and I don't think they'd give him up for Teheran and B or C guys. I was trying to make the point that the Braves don't have what the Cubs want/need but I ended up making a second post to do that.

I think it's interesting that Baez has come up twice in the last couple pages of this thread. I love watching him play, he is one of my favourites. But he needs to mature at the plate and show more consistency and leadership in the field before I give up anything to get him on my Braves team.




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[sc050610]

MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Getting ready to start make deadline deals for out of contention teams to improve them for the future. I was going through and looking at potential trade chips and I came to Marlins and really don't know what to do with them to improve them for the future. I know the real life reports of them potentially shopping Yellich, Ozuna, and realmuto. However, in my franchise Yellich is hitting under .240 and would prefer to keep him there. Ozuna is slashing .265/.360/.425 with a WAR of 1.1 and JT Realmuto is playing terribly with a batting average under .220.

What could be realistic returns for Ozuna and Realmuto given how they are performing? I don't have any teams in mind just looking for prospect value for those guys.

What do you guys think? Since I wrote the original post Yellich has been playing better as he took his average from .237 to .258 in a matter of a week and half.

I was playing around tonight with the Cubs as trade partner for the Marlins. The Cubs are in need of an upgrade at CF. Would a deal of Almora, Jimenez, Cease, and Candelario for Yellich (.258/.320/.478, 15 HRs, 46 RBIs, 2.7 WAR) be fair return? Or is that still a little light of a return?


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[rtwilli4]

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What do you guys think? Since I wrote the original post Yellich has been playing better as he took his average from .237 to .258 in a matter of a week and half.

I was playing around tonight with the Cubs as trade partner for the Marlins. The Cubs are in need of an upgrade at CF. Would a deal of Almora, Jimenez, Cease, and Candelario for Yellich (.258/.320/.478, 15 HRs, 46 RBIs, 2.7 WAR) be fair return? Or is that still a little light of a return?


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That deal drastically reduces the quality of the Cubs farm. I don't see them trading away that much for an outfielder.

FWIW... I still think Almora has a lot of upside. He's a better defender than he's shown so far this year... I think all the shuffling around out there has hurt him. And he's going to continue to improve at the plate.

And Jimenez ain't going anywhere... not with the way Schwarber is playing.

Are you the Cubs or Marlins?




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[sc050610]

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That deal drastically reduces the quality of the Cubs farm. I don't see them trading away that much for an outfielder.

FWIW... I still think Almora has a lot of upside. He's a better defender than he's shown so far this year... I think all the shuffling around out there has hurt him. And he's going to continue to improve at the plate.

And Jimenez ain't going anywhere... not with the way Schwarber is playing.

Are you the Cubs or Marlins?




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I am neither team, I actually play as the Orioles. I do a 30 team control and like to make deals for the teams that are out of it come the deadline to try and improve them for the future. And in turn I try make deals for teams in contention looking for one more piece.

For the Cubs Schwarber is actually playing really good as he is slashing .295/.360/.509 with 21 Hrs and 47 RBIs. Even Hayward is hitting over .300. Just both Almora and Jon Jay are struggling in CF.

I kind of figured the deal would be lopsided one way or another as the Marlins wouldn't get enough value back or the other team would deplete their system too much for just one guy.

Thanks for the feedback.


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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I am neither team, I actually play as the Orioles. I do a 30 team control and like to make deals for the teams that are out of it come the deadline to try and improve them for the future. And in turn I try make deals for teams in contention looking for one more piece.

For the Cubs Schwarber is actually playing really good as he is slashing .295/.360/.509 with 21 Hrs and 47 RBIs. Even Hayward is hitting over .300. Just both Almora and Jon Jay are struggling in CF.

I kind of figured the deal would be lopsided one way or another as the Marlins wouldn't get enough value back or the other team would deplete their system too much for just one guy.

Thanks for the feedback.


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If you use the search feature I had a long back and forth with a guy who got banned about Yelichs value. I think the package you posted is a bit light for Yelich but I'm going off the top of my head.

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[sc050610]

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If you use the search feature I had a long back and forth with a guy who got banned about Yelichs value. I think the package you posted is a bit light for Yelich but I'm going off the top of my head.

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Oh the one who robbed the Computer for a bunch of top level players. I read through that and tried to build a package around what you said. I will keep Yellich on the Marlins has he seems to be more valuable on the Marlins than being traded.

Think I'll focus on trading Ozuna to try get the Marlins some help for the future.


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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Oh the one who robbed the Computer for a bunch of top level players. I read through that and tried to build a package around what you said. I will keep Yellich on the Marlins has he seems to be more valuable on the Marlins than being traded.

Think I'll focus on trading Ozuna to try get the Marlins some help for the future.


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Cardinals are a good logical fit for Ozuna. At least that's what I've read lately

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[rtwilli4]

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I am neither team, I actually play as the Orioles. I do a 30 team control and like to make deals for the teams that are out of it come the deadline to try and improve them for the future. And in turn I try make deals for teams in contention looking for one more piece.

For the Cubs Schwarber is actually playing really good as he is slashing .295/.360/.509 with 21 Hrs and 47 RBIs. Even Hayward is hitting over .300. Just both Almora and Jon Jay are struggling in CF.

I kind of figured the deal would be lopsided one way or another as the Marlins wouldn't get enough value back or the other team would deplete their system too much for just one guy.

Thanks for the feedback.


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I see.

It's realistic to strengthen the Cubs and to tear down the Marlins, but I'm not sure they would be able to help each other out.

Having said that, I did a Cubs franchise in MLBTS 16 and lost to the Bluejays in 2016 WS. Acquired Volquez in the offseason as my 4/5 starter and he helped me beat the Bluejays in the 2017 WS.

I think I traded Happ, Almora, Cease? Maybe only 2 of those guys, I don't remember.

The Cubs are going to go after Archer or Grey or a pitcher of that caliber. Their outfield isn't great but it's still better than average.

If I were the Cubs I'd trade Happ, Almora and a third guy for a high end controllable starter. And I would figure out what my best defence is and play that way, as that is the reason they were so good last year. If that meant playing Bryant in the OF and/or trading Schwarber I would think about it.


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[kenp86]

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I see.

It's realistic to strengthen the Cubs and to tear down the Marlins, but I'm not sure they would be able to help each other out.

Having said that, I did a Cubs franchise in MLBTS 16 and lost to the Bluejays in 2016 WS. Acquired Volquez in the offseason as my 4/5 starter and he helped me beat the Bluejays in the 2017 WS.

I think I traded Happ, Almora, Cease? Maybe only 2 of those guys, I don't remember.

The Cubs are going to go after Archer or Grey or a pitcher of that caliber. Their outfield isn't great but it's still better than average.

If I were the Cubs I'd trade Happ, Almora and a third guy for a high end controllable starter. And I would figure out what my best defence is and play that way, as that is the reason they were so good last year. If that meant playing Bryant in the OF and/or trading Schwarber I would think about it.


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Personally, i think a scwarber deal for Archer is what they want. Theyre in love with archer from what i read. So probably a Schwarber, Happ, Cease deal might work. Schwarber at DH

[MrSerendipity]

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I see.

It's realistic to strengthen the Cubs and to tear down the Marlins, but I'm not sure they would be able to help each other out.

Having said that, I did a Cubs franchise in MLBTS 16 and lost to the Bluejays in 2016 WS. Acquired Volquez in the offseason as my 4/5 starter and he helped me beat the Bluejays in the 2017 WS.

I think I traded Happ, Almora, Cease? Maybe only 2 of those guys, I don't remember.

The Cubs are going to go after Archer or Grey or a pitcher of that caliber. Their outfield isn't great but it's still better than average.

If I were the Cubs I'd trade Happ, Almora and a third guy for a high end controllable starter. And I would figure out what my best defence is and play that way, as that is the reason they were so good last year. If that meant playing Bryant in the OF and/or trading Schwarber I would think about it.


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The notion of flipping Schwarber and Happ for Gray and DooLittle has come up multiple times as it's a deal that seems to benefit both sides.

[sc050610]

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Cardinals are a good logical fit for Ozuna. At least that's what I've read lately

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I was looking at the Cardinals but then I saw Fowler, Piscotty and Grichuk were playing relatively well.

If i do Ozuna to Cardinals would two mid-B prospects be sufficient?

[rtwilli4]

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Personally, i think a scwarber deal for Archer is what they want. Theyre in love with archer from what i read. So probably a Schwarber, Happ, Cease deal might work. Schwarber at DH

It's what they should do... Schwarber for Archer or Schwarber for Gray. Schwarber will be an amazing hitter and might benefit from some time in a smaller market.

Unfortunately Schwarber and the Cubs are victims of their own success. Theo is now afraid to trade the guy. He's a hero!

I know at some point Theo will get there. He's a pro, he has it in him, but it will be tough on everyone.




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