MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I'm trying to think of a middle ground and can only come up with Danny Duffy from Kansas City. Assuming KC is out of the playoffs in my franchise would Duffy for Arcia be realistic?

Duffy just resigned with KC it isn't realistic that he is traded

[holden57]

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Alright looks like I'll probably do Arcia + Erceg + Woodruff for Quintana then. Thanks guys!

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Alright looks like I'll probably do Arcia + Erceg + Woodruff for Quintana then. Thanks guys!

Since others in here seem lower on Arcia than I am, I think you have to change Woodruff to Hader. So Arcia + Hader + Erceg. Its expensive to get an ace

[holden57]

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Since others in here seem lower on Arcia than I am, I think you have to change Woodruff to Hader. So Arcia + Hader + Erceg. Its expensive to get an ace

Would CWS throw in a reliever then? Something like Arcia+Hader+Erceg for Quintana+Jennings?

[hampshirestags]

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Drew was a bad defender and Swanson has good defensive metrics. Drew was so bad he had a -.6 WAR his second year and even as bad as Swanson started the year he has a break even WAR so far.

Who do you think NYY, HOU and LAD would actually offer? Because the Brewers have an elite farm and could pretty easily match an offer that includes Arcia. But I can agree its in the Brewers best interest to keep him.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/insta...orlando-arcia/ this was written when he was brought up last August. He doesn't profile as a star but he profiles as having a high likelihood of being an above average regular

I think he goes to Houston for Martes+Tucker+'whatever they need to add to get NYY to go away'. The size of the 3rd piece will be determined by the perceived value of the flavor-of-the-moment RP added from CHW and the level of determination of the Yankees (I really don't see LAD heavily involved). The Brewers have the chips to play at this table but Arcia is the ante, not the bet. While we're at it, Gray moves to CHC or NYY and Archer/Cole stay put. I could also see STL chasing Donaldson if TOR is so inclined.

That's not a bad write-up on Arcia. Though "...productive piece on the next competitive Brewer team" doesn't exactly make me tingle, I don't think a A.Hechavarria type of comp is totally out of the question. Even with that though, and I'm a Heck fan...headline a 100mm+ surplus value trade? Nah.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I think he goes to Houston for Martes+Tucker+'whatever they need to add to get NYY to go away'. The size of the 3rd piece will be determined by the perceived value of the flavor-of-the-moment RP added from CHW and the level of determination of the Yankees (I really don't see LAD heavily involved). The Brewers have the chips to play at this table but Arcia is the ante, not the bet. While we're at it, Gray moves to CHC or NYY and Archer/Cole stay put. I could also see STL chasing Donaldson if TOR is so inclined.

That's not a bad write-up on Arcia. Though "...productive piece on the next competitive Brewer team" doesn't exactly make me tingle, I don't think a A.Hechavarria type of comp is totally out of the question. Even with that though, and I'm a Heck fan...headline a 100mm+ surplus value trade? Nah.

That's fair, but he's also too much for someone like Hellickson or Chris Tillman. Maybe he would headline for a #2/#3 type? But it doesn't make logistical sense for him to be traded at this point. You don't rebuild a team and trade former top prospects before they've played like 100 games on the MLB roster

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Would CWS throw in a reliever then? Something like Arcia+Hader+Erceg for Quintana+Jennings?

I'm sure they would add any reliever not named Nate Jones or Robertson to that trade. Adding a reliever to a deal when you're rebuilding isn't something to fret over

[holden57]

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Okay so what about Arcia for Cobb+B.Miller+Cedeno?

I realize Brewers shouldn't trade Arcia, but I'm going for it and can't hit with him. This trade would fill a few holes for my playoff run. More realistic than Quintana?

[sc050610]

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Okay so what about Arcia for Cobb+B.Miller+Cedeno?

I realize Brewers shouldn't trade Arcia, but I'm going for it and can't hit with him. This trade would fill a few holes for my playoff run. More realistic than Quintana?

The Rays would do that in a heartbeat but you are getting basically nothing in return for what was once a former top 5 prospect. Cobb has no value as he is coming off multiple injury filled seasons and is a free agent at years end. Brad Miller is just a utility player who at best is probably only worth a C potential prospect.

If Arcia was the headline for a deal to the Rays then it would probably be expected that Archer or at the very least Jake Ordorizzi would be the return. Since it looks like you don't want to part with much in addition to Arcia, Ordorizzi should be your return with maybe a reliever and Miller coming back too. I'll leave the value to the experts but that is just my two cents.

[holden57]

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I like the return of Odorizzi much better than Cobb. I'm just trying to find a middle ground as it seems like Quintana/Gray/Archer might be too much. If I can get a youngish #2/3 and a couple other pieces to help my MLB roster than I'm happy. Again, I know it's not realistic on the Brewers side for this type of deal but I cannot hit with Arcia for the life of me and am more interested in just going for the playoffs.

[Trent Booty]

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You aren't getting enough for Britton. Would need at least one of Fedde, Kieboom or Soto and more than just the one prospect. Frazier you could probably switch Chavis to Dalbec.


And I hate to be that guy but there have been trades with most of these guys already in the thread.

Braun:Braun is good, but expensive and has his 10/5. Headline him with a guy around the top 50 and build on that. That should be consistent with things we've said in the past.

Madson:He's a meh reliever, he will get a meh return

Doolittle: Doolittle is hard because he's always hurt.

Gray: Gray won't be cheap pitching like he is. He's going to get a package similar to Quintana. So it will take the best prospect from most teams as a headliner.

Saunders:C+ prospect, maybe you can get lucky and get a B-. He's always hurt

Kendrick:Look at what the Phillies gave the Dodgers and go from there

Hellickson:He's expensive, a rental and not great. Again something like a C+ or low B. Best case is something like the Mike Leake rental trade

Johnson:C+ prospect and maybe a C on top of that.

Garcia:Injury prone pitcher that's missed time for injury? C+ is the best you could hope for

Phillips:C prospect. He was traded for pennies and has a partial no trade clause

Suzuki:None of those 3 teams make sense. Minnesota just let him go in FA. Colorado has better internal options. Detroit does too.

Britton:Like 90% of the Andrew Miller deal. Britton is pretty great

Castillo:Maybe a B prospect. He was non-tendered and he is playing decent but you won't get a stud for him.

Cabrera:Very little. Former PED guy who is playing marginally

Robertson:Look at the reports that are all over the news

Quintana:Like what I wrote for Gray. We've also seen examples of what CHI SOX turned down.


If you start asking about only a couple guys you'll get more responses. Its not exactly easy to give responses on like 15 guys especially when a chunk have had trades built already in the thread.

Sorry, yeah I've literally read through this entire thread the last two nights so I'm finally getting back to knowing a lot more about prospects and values but I'm still shaky. Just wanted to see if stats changed player's values like Melky and Suzuki. I used to be on this thread all the time a couple years ago.

Thanks! What about Glover, Soto, and Ward for Britton?

Also, how does David Robertson to the Rangers for RJ Alvarez and Jose Almonte look?

[Trent Booty]

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Sonny Gray/Jose Quintana to the Astros for Martes + Bukasuskas?

Sonny Gray/Jose Quintana to the Yankees for Frazier + Sheffield?

Sonny Gray/Jose Quintana to the Mets for Rosario + Szapucki?

[rtwilli4]

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I like the return of Odorizzi much better than Cobb. I'm just trying to find a middle ground as it seems like Quintana/Gray/Archer might be too much. If I can get a youngish #2/3 and a couple other pieces to help my MLB roster than I'm happy. Again, I know it's not realistic on the Brewers side for this type of deal but I cannot hit with Arcia for the life of me and am more interested in just going for the playoffs.

Either you want to win in 2017 or you don't. If you're trading Arcia then why not go all in? Put together a package to get an ace. You certainly have the pieces.







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[holden57]

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Sonny Gray/Jose Quintana to the Astros for Martes + Bukasuskas?

Sonny Gray/Jose Quintana to the Yankees for Frazier + Sheffield?

Sonny Gray/Jose Quintana to the Mets for Rosario + Szapucki?

Can't comment on the Yankee/Astros packages, but why would the Mets move Rosario for more pitching? I would think they'd want an upgrade at 3rd, or maybe even SS, if they're going all in.

[Trent Booty]

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Can't comment on the Yankee/Astros packages, but why would the Mets move Rosario for more pitching? I would think they'd want an upgrade at 3rd, or maybe even SS, if they're going all in.

I was going to do it with the intention of moving Zach Wheeler to the bullpen full time. They're actually getting good production out of Wright and Cabrera.