CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

[bcruise]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

To go back to what I was saying re: working counts - take a look at Kennedy's line from today IRL:

5 IP 3 H 3 ER 5 BB 5 K, 95 pitches

How many of you guys have starter lines like that in this game, or see them from the CPU? Even I don't walk 5 guys with the starter (occasionally I walk that many over a full game).

The game is expecting the average starter to be getting tired by the time he reaches the 5th-6th inning due to his pitch count/energy loss, and I don't feel like that matches up with the way a lot of people play this game. So when the matchup game starts taking over, people feel like it's happening much too early.

That's the sense I'm getting.

[jvalverde88]

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Spoiler

With QC off again, it sucks that people are having these issues with QC off but personally I haven't it seen it. I've only had this issue with QC.

[EWRMETS]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

To go back to what I was saying re: working counts - take a look at Kennedy's line from today IRL:

5 IP 3 H 3 ER 5 BB 5 K, 95 pitches

How many of you guys have starter lines like that in this game, or see them from the CPU? Even I don't walk 5 guys with the starter (occasionally I walk that many over a full game).

The game is expecting the average starter to be getting tired by the time he reaches the 5th-6th inning due to his pitch count/energy loss, and I don't feel like that matches up with the way a lot of people play this game. So when the matchup game starts taking over, people feel like it's happening much too early.

That's the sense I'm getting.

Completely agree.

[richinspirit]

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Just another 'with qc' example. 3rd gsme of the year, so Oakland's 3rd starter Manaea on the mound. Still mid game as just paused to post. Pulled after 4ip, 5h, 4er, 1bb, 2so. Gave up runs in the 1st and 3rd inning, threw 46 pitches according to pitcher analysis (don't know how that takes qc pitches into account) and I have hook on 1...

[richinspirit]

Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

Just another 'with qc' example. 3rd gsme of the year, so Oakland's 3rd starter Manaea on the mound. Still mid game as just paused to post. Pulled after 4ip, 5h, 4er, 1bb, 2so. Gave up runs in the 1st and 3rd inning, threw 46 pitches according to pitcher analysis (don't know how that takes qc pitches into account) and I have hook on 1...

I've just checked and think he must have 'thrown' more than this so that 46 is the number I faced, not total pitches including qc

[PsychoBulk]

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Full games (i never play Quick Counts) and Manager Hook on 2 results in me not seeing this issue at all.

Ive struggled to disagree with any time the CPU has yanked a pitcher, early or late.

[Armor and Sword]

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So I am at the ball field with my son and he is working out with Alex Arias and Alex and I are talking about last nights Yankee game. I said CC looked great 5IP and 0 ER

He laughed and said the MLB' motto with starters that are not Ace's is "5 and fly"

Folks this is the MLB today. I think we are going to see starters going mostly 5-6 innings 80-95 pitches and done.

Also he told me if guys throw 35 pitches or more in one inning goodbye.

Things are changing in the game of baseball.

Now again I have had pretty much no issues with SP logic playing full games no QC.

But simulations in quick manage. I have seen some wonky stuff.




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[hitman23]

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I played a Franchise game yesterday with Armor and Swords sliders where the opposing starting pitcher had the following line and got pulled:

4.0 IP, 0 ER, 1 H, 1 BB

I don't recall what his pitch count was, but it was in the range of 50 - 60 pitches.

I believe I was also playing with quick counts.

That is ridiculous. I hope they patch this.

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[Hardworker33]

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I think we all agree this is a QC problem, not regular mode.

[CleveCluby]

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No sir.. We don't all agree. if you want to find out for yourself. Just start a franchise. Don't use QC, then sim about a month and go check box scores. You will find a lot of 4 and 5 inn SP starts and then you will also see the long relief pitcher finishing the game. So you will see SP 5 inn and LR 4 inn. It's not in every case but there is way, way ,way to much of it and it is an issue that needs to be addressed.

And even if it was just a QC problem, which I firmly believe it is not . It would still need to be patched or adjusted because many people play QC. With all the talk about it, I have no doubt that the devs are aware of it and will hopefully fix it.

But with all the talk about it, I would think the devs would at least acknowledge it and let us know they are working on it or at least aware of it. I think that would go along way in calming the situation down..

[EWRMETS]

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"Calm the situation"

[TNKNGM]

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Full games (i never play Quick Counts) and Manager Hook on 2 results in me not seeing this issue at all.

Ive struggled to disagree with any time the CPU has yanked a pitcher, early or late.

Bingo!!!

I never play quick counts and reduced CPU Manager Hook to 2 - I'm wrapping up a game right now where I faced Corey Kluber who was up at 90 pitches and 2 runs allowed through 6 innings....he came out for the 7th inning and was not removed until he gave up back to back doubles which brought in the 3rd run

Final line 6+ IP, 3 er, 98 pitches thrown

[BobSacamano]

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So I played this game today. I can't remember what Eovaldi's pitch count was when he was pulled (and therefore couldn't tell you his energy level), but it was certainly no more than 85 or maybe 90. The "fielder's choice" right before he was pulled was bizarre. There was a man on 1B and a slow grounder was hit to 3B. Longoria took his time and then threw to second to try to get the lead runner. The runner beat the throw by a mile (as in he had already stood back up after the slide), and everyone was safe.

Anyways, what's more troubling to me than the no-hitter pull in the 6th inning is that the CPU then let the next reliever get absolutely shelled until the game was out of reach. You can see what happened in the game log (the 7th inning is the one on top). Two of the 5 ER were inherited runners, but still. The quick pull of the starter followed by sticking with the next reliever even after he gets shelled is (1) bad, and (2) happens frequently.

[countryboy]

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So I played this game today. I can't remember what Eovaldi's pitch count was when he was pulled (and therefore couldn't tell you his energy level), but it was certainly no more than 85 or maybe 90. The "fielder's choice" right before he was pulled was bizarre. There was a man on 1B and a slow grounder was hit to 3B. Longoria took his time and then threw to second to try to get the lead runner. The runner beat the throw by a mile (as in he had already stood back up after the slide), and everyone was safe.

Anyways, what's more troubling to me than the no-hitter pull in the 6th inning is that the CPU then let the next reliever get absolutely shelled until the game was out of reach. You can see what happened in the game log (the 7th inning is the one on top). Two of the 5 ER were inherited runners, but still. The quick pull of the starter followed by sticking with the next reliever even after he gets shelled is (1) bad, and (2) happens frequently.

I don't have a problem with this pull of the starting pitcher. Even if he had only 85 pitches through a 5 2/3 IP, he had given up 4 walks. So it doesn't seem that he had his best stuff. I get that he had a no-hitter, but the chances of him going a full 9 innings and completing the no hitter were slim and none. If he's at 85 pitches, even if he strikes out every other hitter in the 7th, 8th, and 9th, on 3 pitches, which is highly unlikely, he would end up at 112 pitches.

Just my .02

[BobSacamano]

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Yes, I can conceive of a scenario where pulling the starter makes sense. And I know that the game is seeing numbers and not that he got two quick outs before a walk and a weak contact ground ball to 3B. I would be fine with all of this if I could consider it an isolated instance.

However, this game fit the exact pattern that I have laid out in my previous posts: starter is pulled in the 5th/6th inning at the first sign of trouble, and then the next reliever is left in for a long, long time despite the results screaming for him to be pulled. The fact that this pattern is happening repeatedly and predictably is what's bothering me and why I know there needs to be a fix. I'm hoping for a patch, but if there is a slider workaround, I'm all ears.

By the way, I am pretty convinced that the logic being used in my games (which are played with QC, btw) is the same logic being used in Quick Manage games. I think there's something to that, but I don't know what.


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