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  • squashbuggie
    Banned
    • Dec 2016
    • 371

    #286
    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

    Originally posted by HozAndMoose
    Yeah i had one sim where Mike Minor had 194 IP with no starts.
    all you need to do is use 3-different guys in the LRP throughout the season to get better numbers. you should see the incredibly accurate sim stats I got by doing simple stamina edits to SP/RP. stats are great and very accurate. PM for more info.

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    • CleveCluby
      Pro
      • Feb 2003
      • 808

      #287
      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

      Originally posted by CleveCluby
      Played a game today. LIVE Cleve against Arizona. ( even though that game hasn't been played yet ). Miller pitching for Ari.. Tomlin for Cleve. Miller pitches 6 inn in a scoreless game. He has given up 2 hits, no walks, 8 ks. For some reason, They pull him at the top of the 7th. Now here's the thing, They let him bat in the 6th. And the weird thing is, he is batting 7th in the line up.. Not 9th, but 7th.

      Score is 0 to 0. In the bottom of the 6th. Tomlin gives up a single, next batter hits bunt sac. runner on second, 1 out and they let Miller bat. We get out of the inning. Top of 7th, they pull him. Relief comes in and gives up HR, 2 back to back singles and another HR to Santana. Score 4 to 0. There reliever stays in rest of the game.

      Now if anyone doesn't think there is something seriously wrong with this logic. Then I really don't know what to tell you are you aren't very serious about BB. There is no explanation you can give me to make since of this.
      BTW. This particular game was NOT a QC.. It was a fully played game. I have one simple question. For all of you that say this SP issue is not broken.... Please explain why you did not see this ridiculous logic in 14, 15, or 16 to this extent. You only see this in 17.. Pitchers not being PH for then pulled, Pitchers batting in the 7th spot in the line up. Pitchers being pulled for no reason, Relief pitcher pitching way to long. So if it didn't do it in those versions of the game, and it does it now.. I would say.. It is broken. You can justify it all you like, but the fact is, to many people have experienced it, to many people are looking for a work around. If it were not broken. We wouldn't be doing that. The point is, Rather you call it broken, flawed, needs adjustment, whatever.. It is not working properly. And that is the bottom line. And what I fear is the more people who justify it and make excuses for it. The less the devs may feel they have to fix it. The old saying, If they think it ain't broke. Why fix it.
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      • sfpxgalaxy
        Rookie
        • Aug 2014
        • 132

        #288
        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

        The problem exists in simulated games so it's not a QC thing only.

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        • Bullit
          Bacon is Better
          • Aug 2009
          • 5004

          #289
          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

          Ok guys give me a minute here before everybody attacks me for taking sides or saying one is right and the other is wrong. I personally don't have or see an issue but I am not saying others aren't but I have stumbled onto something while trying to research this for my own curiosity.

          I started a Franchise and went right to the season and started playing. Now out of habit I went and started playing the first game of the season, you know to play the first inning to keep the first HR bug from happening, which happens to be NY@TB. Tanaka v Archer. Well Tanaka went out in the first due to injury and they brought in Mitchell who has a stamina of 71. Well I decided to quick manage the game and just keep track of what was going on.

          Well I found something that may be part of the problem or it may be nothing. Plus you all probably know about it, honestly I did not read the whole thread.

          The problem I found is that pitch counts are not being accurately recorded, specifically balls. Now NY pulled Mitchell in the 6th having thrown only 34 pitches, but this can['t be the case. He walked 3 batters, not intentionally i was watching and bear with me for a minute please? So I go to the analysis screen and under balls it says 3 for number of pitches for walks and only 6 for balls thrown. Even if it only counts the last pitch thrown as a ball for a walk the pitches thrown for balls should still be either 9 or 12. So lets go with 9 for the benefit of doubt.

          Well then now we are up to 43 pitches. So I thought I would check the Strike as well. Well now we have more issues. Mithcell thru 4 SO but pitches thrown says 6 with 28 balls thrown for strikes.

          Archer thru 6 SO but Analysis says 7 with 39 strikes thrown. At this time in the game Archer has supposedly only thrown 48 pitches going into the 6th. So that would with his 6 SO and 4 BB he as only thrown 11 other pitches.

          So anyway what I think I am getting at is why don't WE take a deeper look at this. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, pitchers are not getting taken out to early maybe we are not getting the right Pitch Counts displayed.

          Again I am not trying to defend or attack either side. I just found discrepancies and thought I would point them out for review.


          EDIT: Ok just continued with quick manage to the 7th. Archer is gassed and it says he has thrown 107 pitches. But the Analysis screen says he has only thrown 75 pitches. Pics to follow
          Last edited by Bullit; 04-08-2017, 10:18 AM.
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          • underdog13
            MVP
            • Apr 2012
            • 3222

            #290
            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

            Guy on reddit was pulled after 70 pitches throwing a no-no

            https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBTheShow/...0_pitches_and/


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            • BigOscar
              MVP
              • May 2016
              • 2971

              #291
              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

              Originally posted by Bullit
              Ok guys give me a minute here before everybody attacks me for taking sides or saying one is right and the other is wrong. I personally don't have or see an issue but I am not saying others aren't but I have stumbled onto something while trying to research this for my own curiosity.

              I started a Franchise and went right to the season and started playing. Now out of habit I went and started playing the first game of the season, you know to play the first inning to keep the first HR bug from happening, which happens to be NY@TB. Tanaka v Archer. Well Tanaka went out in the first due to injury and they brought in Mitchell who has a stamina of 71. Well I decided to quick manage the game and just keep track of what was going on.

              Well I found something that may be part of the problem or it may be nothing. Plus you all probably know about it, honestly I did not read the whole thread.

              The problem I found is that pitch counts are not being accurately recorded, specifically balls. Now NY pulled Mitchell in the 6th having thrown only 34 pitches, but this can['t be the case. He walked 3 batters, not intentionally i was watching and bear with me for a minute please? So I go to the analysis screen and under balls it says 3 for number of pitches for walks and only 6 for balls thrown. Even if it only counts the last pitch thrown as a ball for a walk the pitches thrown for balls should still be either 9 or 12. So lets go with 9 for the benefit of doubt.

              Well then now we are up to 43 pitches. So I thought I would check the Strike as well. Well now we have more issues. Mithcell thru 4 SO but pitches thrown says 6 with 28 balls thrown for strikes.

              Archer thru 6 SO but Analysis says 7 with 39 strikes thrown. At this time in the game Archer has supposedly only thrown 48 pitches going into the 6th. So that would with his 6 SO and 4 BB he as only thrown 11 other pitches.

              So anyway what I think I am getting at is why don't WE take a deeper look at this. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, pitchers are not getting taken out to early maybe we are not getting the right Pitch Counts displayed.

              Again I am not trying to defend or attack either side. I just found discrepancies and thought I would point them out for review.


              EDIT: Ok just continued with quick manage to the 7th. Archer is gassed and it says he has thrown 107 pitches. But the Analysis screen says he has only thrown 75 pitches. Pics to follow
              Based on what I've read so far, this game is a pretty poor example because the SP got injured in the first inning, thus negating any chance of an early pull. Plus they have a genuine long reliever who didn't get beaten up, so him pitching a lot of innings isn't unusual in this scenario. Multiple times SP are pulled early, when they get into anything resembling a tough situation, then relievers are getting left in while they are getting absolutely slaughtered. That seems to be the meat of the problem (along with closers sometimes getting pulled midway through save situations for a lefty/lefty matchup, which realistically should never happen). The missing pitch count in Quick Manage I think is a separate problem.

              The logic is clearly off, putting far too much emphasis on match ups in tough situations in close games, regardless of whether it's a starter or even closer in that jam. Once you get past about the 4th inning, it treats all these situations like a manager would when using his regular relievers, when in real life a manager would usually give his starter or closer a chance to get themselves out of a jam. Then not paying nearly enough attention to situations once the game isn't close. In real life, there is no way a reliever gets left in for multiple innings if he gives up 8 runs, on this I've seen that sort of thing repeatedly as the AI doesn't see the situation as important anymore as the game isn't close.

              It just needs tweaking to change the importance of matchups, depending on who is pitching, along with how quick they are to pull a struggling reliever.

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              • Bullit
                Bacon is Better
                • Aug 2009
                • 5004

                #292
                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                Ok. I am done. You guys have your own agenda and views on the subject. Obviously you are not open to any ideas except your own.

                I personally am not having the issue, and I am certainly not going to waste any more of my time trying to help anybody else.

                Have a great time and enjoy the game..... oh wait that's what I'm doing.
                In Loving memory of my "Cricket" 1/2/96 - 11/19/2012

                My heart and soul hurt for your lost presence in my life.

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                • EWRMETS
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 7491

                  #293
                  Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                  Collin McHugh 6.1 ip, 7 h, 4 er, 2 bb, 6ks, pulled after giving up a homer in the top of the 7th in an 8-4 game. Really hope nothing is touched for regular play. From what I have seen so far, the starting pitching logic is as good as it ever has been.

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                  • ktd1976
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 1940

                    #294
                    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                    Jose Quintana was just pulled after this line. 6IP, 1 run, 4H, 7K, 0BB 73 pitches. (No quick counts)

                    Quintana was mowing me down. Gave up a leadoff home run to start the game, then never got in any trouble after that. Pulled way too early.

                    There is obviously an issue here, as this is the LONGEST I have had a starter go in any game against me.

                    I have resorted to having a second controller to make pitching changes for the Computer.

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                    • cherman24
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 565

                      #295
                      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                      While not game breaking, this is super annoying. Reds vs pirates. Nova leading with 1-0 lead entering 7th. 72 pitches showing yellow. Full 5 day rest and actually was knocked out in 5th inning of last start. I forgot who he played because he was removed with 1 out in the 5th down 1-0...in the CPUs defense, he did put the number 7 guy on lol

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                      • CleveCluby
                        Pro
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 808

                        #296
                        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                        I am so glad that a few of you are getting a good SP game NOW AND THEN. And Obviously you are not checking box scores of other games to see the constant inconsistency of the other games.

                        So many people have told you over and over and over about the SP issue, and because a few of you aren't seeing it or bothering to check box scores, you tell us there is no problem. UNBELIEVABLE.

                        Even I have had a couple of games that seemed logical. A COUPLE.. The majority have no logic at all . In another game I just played against Texas. Hammels has a 2 to 1 lead. he has only given up 4 hits, 1 walk, 6 ks. His energy bar in nearly full, His confidence bar is full blue. he finishes the 5th with no hits and 1 k.

                        As I am coming up to pitch, I hear them say Tex is getting there bullpen up. So I figure I will outsmart them. I turn on the other controller and go into their team and set the bullpen down. Thinking if they don't have anyone in the pen, they will leave him in. I put the controller back in the center.

                        At the top of the 6th, sure enough they pull him for no reason at all. And they put in a reliever that I just killed in the last game. He had given up 5 runs to me. Now anybody that knows anything at all about BB knows that is never gonna happen.

                        But it did and it does, over and over. And if you think that is not a problem, Once again, you either don't take Baseball serious, you don't check other game box scores, or you just like playing an arcade game.

                        How many different people does it take to tell you the same scenario over and over. Do you think they and we are just making it up.

                        So if you are lucky enough to have some good games, GOD BLESS YOU. But don't insult us telling us it's all good, because it simply is not. I said it before, if this wasn't an issue in 14, 15, and 16, then why is it now. Explain that one. BB hasn't changed that much in a year. Explain why some Pitchers are batting in the 7th spot, explain why they don't PH for them and then pull them anyway. Are any of you actually checking these things out.

                        So if you are satisfied with stupid and idiotic and unrealistic BB logic, Enjoy the game as it is. Myself and many others see that there is an issue that needs to be addressed and we are NOT satisfied and I hope they keep posting until we here something from the Devs and they acknowledge it one way or the other.
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                        • bcruise
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 23274

                          #297
                          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                          Originally posted by CleveCluby
                          I am so glad that a few of you are getting a good SP game NOW AND THEN.
                          Stop it. Many of us have told you that we're consistently not having this issue in our full games (including some like myself actually posting video and screenshots). You are misrepresenting our opinion when you say something like the above.

                          I don't know how you're playing your games. I'm not going to pretend to know. But we are playing the same game and some of us are having this problem while others aren't. And those of us who aren't are worried about changes being made for the worse, because we're afraid we might lose the experience we're getting right now.

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                          • ktd1976
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 1940

                            #298
                            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                            Originally posted by bcruise
                            Stop it. Many of us have told you that we're consistently not having this issue in our full games (including some like myself actually posting video and screenshots). You are misrepresenting our opinion when you say something like the above.

                            I don't know how you're playing your games. I'm not going to pretend to know. But we are playing the same game and some of us are having this problem while others aren't. And those of us who aren't are worried about changes being made for the worse, because we're afraid we might lose the experience we're getting right now.
                            We are playing the same game. But, looking at this thread, and judging from my own experiences (6 innings is the longest a starter has pitched against me) it seems that a majority of gamers are having an issue with SP not pitching long enough, and RP being left in far too long while getting shelled.

                            With all due respect, IT IS AN ISSUE.

                            I respect the fact that those of you that are having good experiences with the logic don't want to lose that experience. But, the majority of us who are experiencing this problem deserve to have it acknowledged and fixed if possible.

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                            • KnightTemplar
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2017
                              • 3282

                              #299
                              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                              Originally posted by bcruise
                              Stop it. Many of us have told you that we're consistently not having this issue in our full games (including some like myself actually posting video and screenshots). You are misrepresenting our opinion when you say something like the above.

                              I don't know how you're playing your games. I'm not going to pretend to know. But we are playing the same game and some of us are having this problem while others aren't. And those of us who aren't are worried about changes being made for the worse, because we're afraid we might lose the experience we're getting right now.
                              Correct. I posted results of my quick count games and it seems to have just gotten ignored. I'm with you bcruise. I'm not seeing the problem. Enjoying the heck out of this game. Then again, when I see posts like "this always happens", "this never happens", etc. I just have to pass it up.

                              It's just like slideritis. I think it's actually a disease . I stopped with the "cure" for too many home runs and went back to the way I play the game. Last game I got shut out 2-0. One home run for the CPU.

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                              • Bullit
                                Bacon is Better
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 5004

                                #300
                                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                                Originally posted by bcruise
                                Stop it. Many of us have told you that we're consistently not having this issue in our full games (including some like myself actually posting video and screenshots). You are misrepresenting our opinion when you say something like the above.

                                I don't know how you're playing your games. I'm not going to pretend to know. But we are playing the same game and some of us are having this problem while others aren't. And those of us who aren't are worried about changes being made for the worse, because we're afraid we might lose the experience we're getting right now.
                                This exactly. I am actually worried that a patch will screw the game up. For me this is the best it has ever been. I hope the Developers don't take the steps to follow a loud but vocal minority and change the game for the worse. I have actually turned off auto downloads just so I don't automatically get a patch and can keep the game as it is.
                                Last edited by Bullit; 04-08-2017, 03:07 PM.
                                In Loving memory of my "Cricket" 1/2/96 - 11/19/2012

                                My heart and soul hurt for your lost presence in my life.

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