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  • bestbrother
    Pro
    • Sep 2015
    • 773

    #571
    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

    In 2 games since the patch, ive had Mad Bum do 7 and then Cueto 8 innings on me. Both in QC matchups, the Cueto game was 0-0 in the 8th.... Mad Bum left the game 2-1 down in the 7th.

    Not sure if this is patch related or because the players are stars as such, but it was nice to see and added an extra challenge to the game.

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    • Glenn33
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 2455

      #572
      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

      Originally posted by miamikb2001
      I felt that way too,but i'm kinda getting back into Full.It's unfortunate QC doesn't work all that well this year because of Starting pitcher issue It's better after patch but not enough for me to play it.
      This. I have played QC exclusively since it's introduction but this issue really takes it's toll on immersion. So I'm back to FC. It's not as dramatic a transition as I feared. I am having fun with the game and I don't want to let this issue derail that.

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      • tessl
        All Star
        • Apr 2007
        • 5685

        #573
        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

        I don't use quick counts but with all the complaints just for the heck of it I decided to check it out for one inning. The display during the game showed the pitcher had thrown 21 pitches. I hit the options button, clicked on stats, clicked on pitcher analysis, it showed the pitcher had thrown 10 pitches. My guess is it is a problem with the display and the pitcher has actually thrown more pitches than indicated.

        I checked again - same thing. I'm 99.9% sure the only foul balls counted on pitcher analysis are those after the generated count because I saw an inordinately low number of foul balls. Therefore I suspect the problem isn't with actual pitches thrown, the problem is with the display. There are about 45 foul balls a game and when calculating the generated count the developers probably add a % of foul balls to the count. Therefore your guy who you thought only threw fewer than 70 pitches in fact had thrown more pitches. Did you look at pitcher analysis or the pitch count on the screen during the game?

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        • EWRMETS
          All Star
          • Jul 2002
          • 7491

          #574
          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

          Finally got my first taste of the issue if you can call it that. Andrew Miller in the Indians rotation and taken out when he was gassed in the 5th inning giving up no runs. Clearly not the issue most are seeing and since Miller is the only reliever in the rotation in my game, I'll write it off as Francona being quirky.

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          • ninertravel
            MVP
            • Aug 2015
            • 4833

            #575
            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

            Still has the same issues post patch, led 4-0 after 1 innings AJ Griffin got 13 outs in a row with 70 pitches but because CPU thought oh crap it's 4-0 after 5 innings and lefty coming up I better hook him now!


            and I keep saying it it is NOT a QC issues I play full games and have the same issues its a game issue
            So yeah nothing has changed

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            • tessl
              All Star
              • Apr 2007
              • 5685

              #576
              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

              Originally posted by ninertravel
              Still has the same issues post patch, led 4-0 after 1 innings AJ Griffin got 13 outs in a row with 70 pitches but because CPU thought oh crap it's 4-0 after 5 innings and lefty coming up I better hook him now!


              and I keep saying it it is NOT a QC issues I play full games and have the same issues its a game issue
              So yeah nothing has changed
              In what mode? What was his stamina level prior to the game?

              In manage mode - full counts - I've seen zero problems. In fact despite many problems with game play the one thing they improved was cpu pitchers who used to sometimes throw 130+ pitches in a game and suffer no decline in ability. Now they have implemented a decline in attributes when a pitcher reaches a certain fatigue point which is more realistic.

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              • EWRMETS
                All Star
                • Jul 2002
                • 7491

                #577
                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                Originally posted by tessl
                In what mode? What was his stamina level prior to the game?

                In manage mode - full counts - I've seen zero problems. In fact despite many problems with game play the one thing they improved was cpu pitchers who used to sometimes throw 130+ pitches in a game and suffer no decline in ability. Now they have implemented a decline in attributes when a pitcher reaches a certain fatigue point which is more realistic.
                That happened in the game I faced Andrew Miller as a starter. The problem of course being he should never be a starter.

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                • tessl
                  All Star
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 5685

                  #578
                  Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                  Originally posted by EWRMETS
                  That happened in the game I faced Andrew Miller as a starter. The problem of course being he should never be a starter.
                  Exactly - the devs announced months ago they were changing game play so pitchers suffer a larger decline in attributes when they reach a certain percentage in stamina. Use a reliever he won't last long. Use a starter who enters the game below 100% stamina he won't last long.

                  I focus on SP's with stamina of 80 and durability of 65 - that's my template. I already posted the reason people were seeing problems with QC and it took ten minutes of playing one QC game to figure it out.

                  There are problems with game play but pitchers being pulled too early isn't one. Of course that assumes people want realism which I'm increasingly coming to realize isn't the case.

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                  • djep
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 1128

                    #579
                    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                    Originally posted by ninertravel
                    Still has the same issues post patch, led 4-0 after 1 innings AJ Griffin got 13 outs in a row with 70 pitches but because CPU thought oh crap it's 4-0 after 5 innings and lefty coming up I better hook him now!


                    and I keep saying it it is NOT a QC issues I play full games and have the same issues its a game issue
                    So yeah nothing has changed
                    Same here. No QC and this kinda thing is still going on.

                    Even the sim stats are off. Just looking around the league I'm seeing that there are lots of team leaders in innings pitched are guys who have had zero starts.

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                    • TripleCrown
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 1240

                      #580
                      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                      Originally posted by EWRMETS
                      That happened in the game I faced Andrew Miller as a starter. The problem of course being he should never be a starter.


                      Is it possible for whatever reason Miller was assigned to a LRP spot instead of SU or CL ?

                      Saw that before where your 6th starter (LRP) will start a game whatever his stamina rating is.



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                      • EWRMETS
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 7491

                        #581
                        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                        Originally posted by TripleCrown
                        Is it possible for whatever reason Miller was assigned to a LRP spot instead of SU or CL ?

                        Saw that before where your 6th starter (LRP) will start a game whatever his stamina rating is.



                        Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
                        Not sure, it was weird as only 4 guys in the Indians bullpen had stamina over 30. I checked to see if they had anyone on the DL and they did not. No other team had a reliever in the rotation. Hopefully they fix their rotation during the season but if it's only one team it isn't a huge deal. I hope to see them make the bullpen more sophisticated in next year's game so that guys like Miller and Chris Devenski can properly be utilized.

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                        • bestbrother
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2015
                          • 773

                          #582
                          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                          Is the sim engine for CPU v CPU games affected as well?

                          Or do they play out as you would expect?

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                          • KnightTemplar
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2017
                            • 3282

                            #583
                            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                            I can't find the person who posted this about DURABILITY (this would probably only apply to those who are using 30 teams control and have injuries off), but he said many of the pitchers have very POOR durability. So I checked, and yep, some of them have durability ratings of 29, 47, 50, etc. These are the STARTING PITCHERS.

                            So, I went in and raised all of their durabilities to around 80 (because with injuries off it doesn't really matter), and I raised each SPs stamina to around 80/81 (minimum) and simmed a bunch of games (as this early hook was occurring in simmed games too), and it made a big, big difference.

                            Again, might not be the answer for you wanting injuries, but for guys with injuries off (or who do the manual injuries) you might want to try this.

                            Tip of the cap to the person who posted this before (not my fix it was his). I wanted to quote him, but this will have to do.

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                            • nomo17k
                              Permanently Banned
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 5735

                              #584
                              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                              Originally posted by bestbrother
                              Is the sim engine for CPU v CPU games affected as well?

                              Or do they play out as you would expect?
                              The sim engine, non-QC CPU vs. CPU games when actually played out, and CPU vs. CPU games with QC can be thought of on different game engine (or at least mechanics change enough that they can suffer from different issues, of which CPU manager quick hook is one).

                              If you are talking about non-QC CPU vs. CPU games, then the issue ins't as serious as what people are reporting in QC games. I think there is a tendency for CPU manager to do quick hook on starters (i.e., when compared to real-life and The Show in the past), but they aren't as frequent or glitchy as what people are reporting in this thread.
                              The Show CPU vs. CPU game stats: 2018,17,16,15,14,13,12,11

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                              • bestbrother
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2015
                                • 773

                                #585
                                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                                Originally posted by nomo17k
                                The sim engine, non-QC CPU vs. CPU games when actually played out, and CPU vs. CPU games with QC can be thought of on different game engine (or at least mechanics change enough that they can suffer from different issues, of which CPU manager quick hook is one).

                                If you are talking about non-QC CPU vs. CPU games, then the issue ins't as serious as what people are reporting in QC games. I think there is a tendency for CPU manager to do quick hook on starters (i.e., when compared to real-life and The Show in the past), but they aren't as frequent or glitchy as what people are reporting in this thread.
                                How do i know what the CPU are playing? ie what dictates if they are playing as QC or not?

                                I mean I select QC before my games each time, but I dont go into the CPU games to decide what they are doing. So does the CPU see that I play a game in QC and then decides that the CPU games that day are using QC?

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