MLB The Show 17 Patch 1.04 Available Now, Patch Notes Included

[Padgoi]

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Basically, if there's not a reasonable videogame reason for every outcome in a game, then there's no reason to play, IMO.



In the end it's all moot anyway. There's no way anything like that exists is in any modern sports game that has microtransactions. Can you imagine the backlash if people found out some games were essentially fixed and there's nothing the player can do about it? LOL

Have you watched the NBA this year? It's commonplace in real life.

[bredfan]

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Have you watched the NBA this year? It's commonplace in real life.

It's commonplace for players to suddenly, and without an explanation within the realm of the game, have no control over the results of their actions?

[stealyerface]

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Chuck Knoblauch may have some insight into this topic.

~syf

[Skyboxer]

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Chuck Knoblauch may have some insight into this topic.

~syf

Yeah don't remind me lol

[Trackball]

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It's commonplace for players to suddenly, and without an explanation within the realm of the game, have no control over the results of their actions?

Dude...I had a really long rant all typed out to respond to this.

Then I realized I'd almost certainly get banned for it.

So just...please...you realize you're just pressing buttons on a controller, right?
Not actually fielding balls?
Some things are out of your control.

[Armor and Sword]

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Playing right now through my Bose Sound Bar.

Hardly notice the bat sound anymore (but I still hear the change from pre patch).

Once I put the Sony Golds on with the MLB Show Sound App.....cringe inducing. So this is definitely a headphone sensitive issue.

Again...glad they are fixing it as I play with headphones 95% of the time. But until the next update.....playing through the sound bar (except late nights).

[qwikphaze01]

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I personally cannot tell you how deeply disappointed I am with this patch. To me the most requested fix for QC was the starting pitcher issue. And it seems it was completely ignored. I have waited, tested, and cannot play any type of realistic franchise as it is. I am totally frustrated that they didn't even make an effort to fix this.



For those that have time to play a full game, Glad it's somewhat working for you. I neither have the time no the desire to play every game. And even if you do. Unless you play every single game, If you sim all the other CPU games you will run into the same problems as playing QC because if you check box score and stats at the end of the season, you will find relievers have far more innings pitched than starters.



IMO there is absolutely no excuse for this. This did not happen in 14, 15, 16 and there is no excuse for it to be happening now. And I find it hard that the Dev's chose to ignore this in this patch.



As great as this game could possibly be, and may be for others, for pure QC players or total sim players, this game is broken. The CPU logic is completely screwed up. And if you love baseball and stats, it is a killer to see a starting pitcher being pulled in the 5th inning in a close game with a 68 pitch count. Once in a while but checking box scores, playing games and seeing it game after game completely ridiculous. For those of you that don't mind it. Enjoy the game. For myself, I am done with it. It's back to 16. It is not worth the frustration and no sliders or adjustments seem to fix it. I really loved some of the new features but I will give that up to get some realistic pitching logic.



When and if the Dev's decide to fix this, I will try again, but I am quickly losing faith as I really believed the latest patch would address it. Now I have my doubts if it will be addressed at all.

I'm having the problem when I do player lock as well. Played against Seattle and Paxton started inning and was replaced in the second. Only gave up 1 earned run.


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[Christian9]

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I don't use quick counts but with all the complaints just for the heck of it I decided to check it out for one inning. The display during the game showed the pitcher had thrown 21 pitches. I hit the options button, clicked on stats, clicked on pitcher analysis, it showed the pitcher had thrown 10 pitches. My guess is it is a problem with the display and the pitcher has actually thrown more pitches than indicated.

I checked again - same thing. I'm 99.9% sure the only foul balls counted on pitcher analysis are those after the generated count because I saw an inordinately low number of foul balls. Therefore I suspect the problem isn't with actual pitches thrown, the problem is with the display. There are about 45 foul balls a game and when calculating the generated count the developers probably add a % of foul balls to the count. Therefore your guy who you thought only threw fewer than 70 pitches in fact had thrown more pitches. Did you look at pitcher analysis or the pitch count on the screen during the game?

Great insight...and definitely plausible.


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[jeffy777]

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It seems the frame rate hitch pre-pitch has been lessened, so that's good to see.

Hit variety is much better, IMO.

[OneTonneBaby]

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Ive been playing quick counts and notice the difference but don't see it affecting pitchers. I think the larger number is reflected in what they have actually thrown as my Sis have started tiring around the 90 pitch mark (on the score bug).

[bredfan]

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Dude...I had a really long rant all typed out to respond to this.

Then I realized I'd almost certainly get banned for it.

So just...please...you realize you're just pressing buttons on a controller, right?
Not actually fielding balls?
Some things are out of your control.

I think you quoted the wrong person.

The fact that we're just playing videogames is exactly my point. If everything isn't in my control in a videogame, such that no matter what I do the outcome is predetermined by the game, then scripting is involved.

It is the official stance of just about every major sports game publisher that scripting doesn't exist. So please, don't hold back your rant on my account.

When I play The Show, I feel like every outcome has a logical explanation based on my input during any given scenario. I'm sorry that others don't feel that way.

[The Chef]

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I think you quoted the wrong person.

The fact that we're just playing videogames is exactly my point. If everything isn't in my control in a videogame, such that no matter what I do the outcome is predetermined by the game, then scripting is involved.

It is the official stance of just about every major sports game publisher that scripting doesn't exist. So please, don't hold back your rant on my account.

When I play The Show, I feel like every outcome has a logical explanation based on my input during any given scenario. I'm sorry that others don't feel that way.

I don't get your stance. It's not scripted as the outcome isn't decided at the start but yes there are randomizers built in to better replicate baseball as there are randomizers built in to every sports game out there.

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[bredfan]

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I don't get your stance. It's not scripted as the outcome isn't decided at the start but yes there are randomizers built in to better replicate baseball as there are randomizers built in to every sports game out there.

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RNG is not the same as swinging through an 89 mph meatball "just because people have bad days".

I'm in control of putting myself in the best position to succeed with RNG if I understand the game. I'm not in control when things are predetermined at all.

"Predetermined outcome" to simulate real life is basically an oxymoron.

[The Chef]

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RNG is not the same as swinging through an 89 mph meatball "just because people have bad days".

I'm in control of putting myself in the best position to succeed with RNG if I understand the game. I'm not in control when things are predetermined at all.

"Predetermined outcome" to simulate real life is basically an oxymoron.

And you don't think that players in the majors work the counts, get the pitch they want and proceed to miss it? So you don't actually want a game based on realism you want a game that allows you to murder the ball just so long as you work the count and wait for your pitch? These randomizers are built into every sports game out there, I'm confused by what you want the final product to be. Most I'd assume want as close to a simulation experience as possible and to get that it has to have some sort of randomness built in.

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[bredfan]

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And you don't think that players in the majors work the counts, get the pitch they want and proceed to miss it? So you don't actually want a game based on realism you want a game that allows you to murder the ball just so long as you work the count and wait for your pitch? These randomizers are built into every sports game out there, I'm confused by what you want the final product to be. Most I'd assume want as close to a simulation experience as possible and to get that it has to have some sort of randomness built in.

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Professional hitters don't miss pitches randomly. They miss because of a mechanical factor.

Either they mistimed their swing, pulled their head, took their eye off the ball, guessed wrong or pulled up ever so slightly.

Frank Thomas is sitting heat. He works the count, gets the One and proceeds to whiff. As he walks back to the dugout the manager says "Frank, what happened?"

Thomas doesn't say, "I was possessed for a second, Skip. Lost all control for no reason." Nah, he tells the manager exactly why he missed.

There's 750 worldwide good enough to play pro baseball. And about 300 of those are pitchers. To suggest that they aren't 100% in control of their results when hitting is crazy, IMO.