Madden is FINALLY doing it. Time for the show to follow suit

[shark547]

Re: Madden is FINALLY doing it. Time for the show to follow suit

Madden has core gameplay issues still. The Show does not.

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We must have different definitions of core gameplay. Can you keep a straight face when you say that?

[TheWarmWind]

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I play both Madden and the NHL series. I have fun with the games. But they are arcade like with simulation elements. They are no where near the quality for offline franchise players like The Show and 2K.

Now don’t get me wrong. Madden 18 (starting in February) is IMO the strongest entry in the series in terms of gameplay. And NHL 18 is also a fun game with expansion mode (gameplay feels almost exactly the same to me as NHL 16 which was my last version before getting 18 for $18). The games are fun.

I know some people here feel The Show is going that way (more arcade). But playing 18 every day since it dropped that could not be farther from the truth. I am also playing 2K18 again and it is a joy. Both these sports titles really do a great job for console games in replicating their sports.

Games can always improve. And visually 2K and The Show are not as refined as Madden. And again....to me that’s ok. I rather they focus on AI and gameplay as well as depth inside franchise mode. And 2K and The Show do offer the deepest franchise modes for console sports games IMO. I don’t play FIFA but I have heard great things about the depth of that series franchise mode.

I happen to think this years version of The Show is the most visually stunning version yet on a 4K TV in high framerate or enhanced visual mode mode. The parks are gorgeous, the weather effects (rain, fog, light transitioning) are stunning to me. Love it.

I could deal with NHL being somewhat arcade like if the sliders actually did something. It's been a while but the last time I played that game I had so many sliders maxed or mined and it STILL felt like an arcade game. One of the many reasons why I love The Show the most: the sliders actually do something. I at least have SOME power to fix what I feel is broken.

Now if only The Show were on PC and was moddable... sorry, drifting into wish list thoughts :P

[Caulfield]

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We must have different definitions of core gameplay. Can you keep a straight face when you say that?

If he can't, I can. Not even anyone from SDS will tell you the Show is perfect but aside from Pong, what video game is? I will concede the gameplay for some is better than others, if 1) you can dial in the right sliders and 2) depending on individual user skill.


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[TheWarmWind]

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Not even anyone from SDS will tell you the Show is perfect but aside from Pong, what video game is?

Final Fantasy 7.

It's aged poorly and the translation is terrible and I still play almost once a year.

And now I'm off topic answering a rhetorical question.

[KBLover]

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EA cares way more about impressing their investors then serving their consumers. I think being rated as the worst company in the world by consumers several years in a row proves that. They are all showmanship and no merit.

Can't say it's not working given the money they make, which means a lot of these consumers continue to eat up what ever they produce.

People seem to hate them....and buy their products anyway?

I don't know, but I gave up trying to figure out consumer behavior. It's why I don't invest in most retailers lol.

But I'd invest in a game maker - EA being one of them.

After all, EA can't impress investors without sales and earnings. They get sales from where? Consumers. Ones that supposedly hate them.

[Speedy]

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We must have different definitions of core gameplay. Can you keep a straight face when you say that?

Stop with the snark comment. If you have a different opinion (which is fine), explain it and be mature.

I agree with the other poster about fielding. It's the one gameplay aspect that I do feel is lacking but the hitting and pitching engines I think are great. The ball physics and hit variety is the best in the series thus far.

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[TheWarmWind]

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Can't say it's not working given the money they make, which means a lot of these consumers continue to eat up what ever they produce.

People seem to hate them....and buy their products anyway?

I don't know, but I gave up trying to figure out consumer behavior. It's why I don't invest in most retailers lol.

But I'd invest in a game maker - EA being one of them.

After all, EA can't impress investors without sales and earnings. They get sales from where? Consumers. Ones that supposedly hate them.

The problem is EA owns some great Devs. Many people are willing to harsh the microtransaction outer layer to get the the delicious core of gameplay and story. But EA Devs have waned recently, and it has shown in their numbers. The disaster that was battlefront 2 didn't help matters. EA has suffered a string of losses in a wider public eye recently and it's started to effect their bottom line.

As a publisher though, EA has always been terrible, on every level. They've systematically destroyed most of the Dev studios they have bought up over time. And I can remember as far back as the 90s pulling my hair out trying to get ANYTHING out of customer service from EA. It's like trying to get blood from a stone.

[countryboy]

Re: Madden is FINALLY doing it. Time for the show to follow suit

Can't say it's not working given the money they make, which means a lot of these consumers continue to eat up what ever they produce.

People seem to hate them....and buy their products anyway?

I don't know, but I gave up trying to figure out consumer behavior. It's why I don't invest in most retailers lol.

But I'd invest in a game maker - EA being one of them.

After all, EA can't impress investors without sales and earnings. They get sales from where? Consumers. Ones that supposedly hate them.

I don't follow Madden all that much because I lost interest years ago in both the game and the NFL itself.

However, I will say that when I see Madden plastered all over ESPN with guys playing in a money making tournament, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the single offline franchise player such as myself isn't their target audience.

And while I don't buy their sports games, I am an investor in EA.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Meh

I take any newly touted feature for EA sports games (especially Madden) with a grain of salt.

Sounds good, but let's see how it actually translates to the gameplay once the user base gets their hands on it.

Before i even start reading the rest of this thread, these are my thoughts exactly. Madden is the champion of over-promising and under-delivering.

[timmg]

Re: Madden is FINALLY doing it. Time for the show to follow suit

Im a football guy, my favorite sport, but the OP should be ashamed of himself for mentioning Madden & The Show in the same breath. I wish Madden was on the Shows level...btw im not a baseball fan

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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At least they are trying to improve things unlike the show.

I think youre giving them too much credit. I love me some football but i have believed their marketing pitches too many years before i realized it. That being said, i hold out some glimmer of hope every year and might possibly still play it. Maybe.

[Mercury112491]

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At least they are trying to improve things unlike the show.

No. No no no no no no no. What an absolutely ridiculous statement given the patch they just dropped and some of the gameplay changes they’ve made over the last few years.

Also just look at Madden’s twitter pages. If someone points out an issue and provides proof then 99.9% of the time the Madden teams response is “you’re playing the game wrong/you don’t understand how the game works”.

For all their faults SDS is 100 Times the developer than the Madden team and they do it with a fraction of the team and a fraction of the budget.



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[shark547]

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Stop with the snark comment. If you have a different opinion (which is fine), explain it and be mature.

I agree with the other poster about fielding. It's the one gameplay aspect that I do feel is lacking but the hitting and pitching engines I think are great. The ball physics and hit variety is the best in the series thus far.

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I actually meant to put a smiley face in like I was giving you a hard time...sorry about that....

[Speedy]

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I actually meant to put a smiley face in like I was giving you a hard time...sorry about that....

My apologies for presuming you were being condescending. [emoji4]

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[shark547]

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My apologies for presuming you were being condescending. [emoji4]

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No worries, I see why you took it that way. I am chronically ill and I some times get out half thoughts or think I wrote something people will understand. All I can do is apologize and deal with it afterwards. I would have taken it that way too....especially since I didn't finish it....even though I thought I did....