Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

I'm not exactly sure what some of you guys are trying to figure out with working in the lab of trying different things to change the bunting results of this game.

The devs have specifically come right out and have said that this is their intention on having it work that way. It is not a bug, and it is by design that rocket bunts are in the game. It was to counteract all the cheese in online play and as a result the offline gamers now must suffer.

Our best resolution, in moving forward, would be to voice our displeasure with this designed function and for the developers to hear our voices and consider changing it for at least offline play for the future.

So, I would suggest that instead of taking the time to go into practice or trying to capture footage or log results of your bunting, to take to twitter, email, or these forums and get the attention of whatever developers help out with game play and bunting and let it be known that this is unacceptable. In the past, they have been pretty good at responding or listening, at least. That is where I would focus my attention and is one of the reasons I posted in this thread to begin with.

Hi thanks for the input.

We actually aren't trying to change anything. We have talked about the devs purposely doing this since the thread began and we have all said the same thing throughout the thread. We simply wondered if any setting at all has as any effect at all on bunting, to cover all our bases. The consensus hypothesis was that it wouldn't. But we tested it to make sure. With that final test, we came to the conclusion that bunt ratings are meaningless as far as how well/poorly bunts are laid down. We weren't really trying to change the results as much as see just how far the devs had gone to make it work this way.

We are all very aware and have expressed to others that it isn't a bug, but purposely programmed to combat online cheese. That much has been preached by ourselves throughout this thread.

I am not on Twitter, but i have used email, and this thread to express displeasure. I am hoping they see it and read it. I know they read these threads because occasionally they respond/post. I actually think this thread could be helpful in that regard.

As for taking the time to log bunts, I already log everything. It takes no more time for me to do this than to play a normal game. So I have, or can find, almost any possible statistic for every player for any range of games. So keeping up with bunt success is literally not a time issue or a convenience issue at all for me.

I mostly would like to know how CPU bunt success rate compares to Human bunt success rate in order to decide if i want to change/add any house rules.

I simply like to learn every corner of this game, and how it performs, and hopefully the reason why it performs in that way. Plus i think adding bunt success statistics are another interesting thing to add to my ever growing statistics pages.

As a bonus, how bunt success rates turn out or how they compare to MLB stats is another thing i can include in an email to the devs!

[RogerDodger]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

I laid down another bunt in my last game using the 'tap' technique described earlier in this thread. It dribbled down the 3rd base line and although I was out at first, the base runner advanced to second. I can't say I'm sure if it's the technique, ratings or something else at work here but after looking at the replay it looked like the ball hit the bat just as I was pulling my bat back. Hence the reduced speed off the bat.

[Bunselpower32]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Out of curiosity, what is this technique for good bunts and does it work? I'll take one out of ten soft bunts at this point.

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[Caulfield]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Out of curiosity, what is this technique for good bunts and does it work? I'll take one out of ten soft bunts at this point.

#2 in your program, #1 in our hearts. You will be missed, Red.

at first I thought it was a sort of drag bunt but I was misunderstanding. apparently you let go of the bunt (triangle) right before contact is made.

[The Chef]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Honestly I don't understand why after 3 years this still hasn't been fixed. It almost makes it unenjoyable to play as a NL team when I can't even bunt a runner over regardless of the batters bunt rating. To add insult to injury not only can I not bunt them over but as of late it's been nothing but double plays off attempted sac bunts. I'd manage the ab and let the CPU bunt them over but I thought there was a glitch where stats may not count if you do that, is this the case?

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[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Honestly I don't understand why after 3 years this still hasn't been fixed. It almost makes it unenjoyable to play as a NL team when I can't even bunt a runner over regardless of the batters bunt rating. To add insult to injury not only can I not bunt them over but as of late it's been nothing but double plays off attempted sac bunts. I'd manage the ab and let the CPU bunt them over but I thought there was a glitch where stats may not count if you do that, is this the case?

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So the CPU is actually going for the lead runner quite often? I haven't seen this, but obviously in AL i bunt so rarely (and i even bunt less than that) so naturally i wouldn't see it as often.

As far as the glitch with Quick Manage goes, - having tested it twice and seeing stats royally mess up. (It doesn't happen every game, and maybe i just got "lucky" it happened so quickly) I would personally not recommend it. There have been several other people who have reported it also.

However, there are others have not ever seen it at all, and use it regularly. So i am not sure what triggers it for some. It may work just fine for what you are planning on using it for. But I would at least make sure you have auto-save off just in case you need to re-play the game

[Bunselpower32]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

So the CPU is actually going for the lead runner quite often? I haven't seen this, but obviously in AL i bunt so rarely (and i even bunt less than that) so naturally i wouldn't see it as often.

As far as the glitch with Quick Manage goes, - having tested it twice and seeing stats royally mess up. (It doesn't happen every game, and maybe i just got "lucky" it happened so quickly) I would personally not recommend it. There have been several other people who have reported it also.

However, there are others have not ever seen it at all, and use it regularly. So i am not sure what triggers it for some. It may work just fine for what you are planning on using it for. But I would at least make sure you have auto-save off just in case you need to re-play the game

No, they almost always play it like a sacrifice. I've never seen them play for the lead runner.

The trouble is that it is a bad to cover a bad fix. They made rocket bunts to stop online cheesers, and then handicapped the CPU players to overcome that instead of just fixing the physics and reaction times/speeds behind the bunts in the first place.

#2 in your program, #1 in our hearts. You will be missed, Red.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

No, they almost always play it like a sacrifice. I've never seen them play for the lead runner.

Not according to the person that i was responding to. That's why i was wondering how often he was seeing it.

The trouble is that it is a bad to cover a bad fix. They made rocket bunts to stop online cheesers, and then handicapped the CPU players to overcome that instead of just fixing the physics and reaction times/speeds behind the bunts in the first place.

Yes....i would say that is a pretty good synopsis of the one thing we have all seemed to agree with, from the beginning of this thread....

[The Chef]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

So the CPU is actually going for the lead runner quite often? I haven't seen this, but obviously in AL i bunt so rarely (and i even bunt less than that) so naturally i wouldn't see it as often.

As far as the glitch with Quick Manage goes, - having tested it twice and seeing stats royally mess up. (It doesn't happen every game, and maybe i just got "lucky" it happened so quickly) I would personally not recommend it. There have been several other people who have reported it also.

However, there are others have not ever seen it at all, and use it regularly. So i am not sure what triggers it for some. It may work just fine for what you are planning on using it for. But I would at least make sure you have auto-save off just in case you need to re-play the game

Last 2 games I had Rich Hill lay a bunt down resulted in a double play, last game I had Maeda lay one down and yet again was a double play. I don't know if it's because the lead runner at first was Grandal both times and I believe his speed is in the low 40's if I recall so maybe the CPU reads that as an easy out and thus triggers throwing to second but it happened both times. I'll probably just start rolling the dice and sending the runner since you seem to make contact a majority of the time when bunting anyways and maybe that will keep them from throwing to second. It's just frustrating since this whole bunting issue has been around for a few years now and it apparently gets zero attention.

EDIT - FWIW I was playing SF and both times it was Longoria at third that fielded the bunt and started the DP so maybe his fielding ratings play into it? If I wasn't at work I'd check and see what they are but unfortunately I can't.

[RogerDodger]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Last 2 games I had Rich Hill lay a bunt down resulted in a double play, last game I had Maeda lay one down and yet again was a double play. I don't know if it's because the lead runner at first was Grandal both times and I believe his speed is in the low 40's if I recall so maybe the CPU reads that as an easy out and thus triggers throwing to second but it happened both times. I'll probably just start rolling the dice and sending the runner since you seem to make contact a majority of the time when bunting anyways and maybe that will keep them from throwing to second. It's just frustrating since this whole bunting issue has been around for a few years now and it apparently gets zero attention.

EDIT - FWIW I was playing SF and both times it was Longoria at third that fielded the bunt and started the DP so maybe his fielding ratings play into it? If I wasn't at work I'd check and see what they are but unfortunately I can't.

Grandal has really poor speed, at least in the default rosters that I am using in my franchise.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Last 2 games I had Rich Hill lay a bunt down resulted in a double play, last game I had Maeda lay one down and yet again was a double play. I don't know if it's because the lead runner at first was Grandal both times and I believe his speed is in the low 40's if I recall so maybe the CPU reads that as an easy out and thus triggers throwing to second but it happened both times. I'll probably just start rolling the dice and sending the runner since you seem to make contact a majority of the time when bunting anyways and maybe that will keep them from throwing to second. It's just frustrating since this whole bunting issue has been around for a few years now and it apparently gets zero attention.

EDIT - FWIW I was playing SF and both times it was Longoria at third that fielded the bunt and started the DP so maybe his fielding ratings play into it? If I wasn't at work I'd check and see what they are but unfortunately I can't.

Agreed it is frustrating. While there should be a small percentage of double plays etc, it shouldn't happen just because there is a slow runner.

I know devs read these threads, and i really hope this gets some attention next year. In an otherwise realistic game, something as fundamental as bunting needs to work correctly in franchise mode if nothing else. Especially for NL.

Please make bunt ratings mean something again, and make bunting a realistic part of this game.

[reyes the roof]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Is there any way to run a wheel play or for that matter defend the bunt when a guy is on 2nd base? There doesn't seem to be any way to get anyone to cover 3rd base when the 3rd baseman fields the ball with plenty of time to throw out the guy at 3rd

[JaFFiTh]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Just had one hit to SS but it was slow enough that the runner still managed to beat it. Though the pitcher could have went for it but he just stood there and let the SS get it.


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[RogerDodger]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

I'd like bunting to be more authentic, but I also quite like the challenge of laying one down. I've tapped the bunt button and been successful. Go into the practice mode and repeat it over and over to get the hang of it. It's quite satisfying once you get it to work effectively.

Edit. Breaking balls is when it’s most effective if you can spot those pitches.

[nemesis04]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

I have been playing MVP baseball recently and they have a bunting ability slider for the cpu and user which is very effective. The show has always been very stingy in regards to allowing the user to adjust the game on a wider scale and also shutting them out of critical adjustments for game balance.