Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

I've shared two in this thread, including one that just happened. Let me know if that is exactly what you expected to see.



I said I don't have an issue with "rocket" bunts. I also said that its probably not perfectly balanced. Yes I suggested that people practice because bunting is a little more involved this year than just pressing triangle and easily laying down a perfect sacrifice bunt. No I'm not going to stream myself in practice mode just bunting continuously. And not one time did I claim to be great at bunting.

I would suggest you go back and re-read my responses and posts in this thread.





So when someone has an issue that I don't experience, I'll be sure to not post that I don't experience it, as to not upset you or others in this thread. I'll just go about playing my "pristine" copy of the Show quietly, with my limited gaming time.

Give me and everyone else here a break man. Its getting ridiculous honestly.

And it doesn't really matter if you post opinions not, as far as I'm concerned, because just your claim that you haven't seen it at all, tells me everything i need to know about this and some other claims you make. I will continue to take everything you say with a grain of salt. If you want to "not post" those opinions for the sake of others who haven't learmed better, i can get behind that.

It also really doesn't matter what you cherry picked and posted in one video. I couldn't see the second video because it said its not available, but one or two videos mean nothing and you know it, and everyone else knows it. I could make the same videos because occasionally i get a good looking bunt.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Well, here’s where I think you lose people. I don’t hear anyone wanting to lay down a perfect sacrifice everytime. I think you forget SDS did mess with this. It’s not that it’s ‘more involved’. It’s a design issue.

I love this game, the complexity, searching for my own comfort zone, but this is ridiculous. It needs attention. I’d love to pop up an imperfect bunt to the 3rd baseman. I think that’s what people are really looking for, not easy bunting.

--Exactly.

[countryboy]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Well, here’s where I think you lose people. I don’t hear anyone wanting to lay down a perfect sacrifice everytime. I think you forget SDS did mess with this. It’s not that it’s ‘more involved’. It’s a design issue.

I love this game, the complexity, searching for my own comfort zone, but this is ridiculous. It needs attention. I’d love to pop up an imperfect bunt to the 3rd baseman. I think that’s what people are really looking for, not easy bunting.

I never said people want to lay down a perfect sacrifice bunt every time. I said that this year is a little more involved than just pressing triangle and getting a perfect sacrifice bunt. I know that SDS messed with it, as they were looking for a way to nerf cheesing online. But it doesn't mean that every single bunt is a "rocket" bunt, as evidenced by my videos.

Give me and everyone else here a break man. Its getting ridiculous honestly.

And it doesn't really matter if you post opinions not, as far as I'm concerned, because just your claim that you haven't seen it at all, tells me everything i need to know about this and some other claims you make. I will continue to take everything you say with a grain of salt. If you want to "not post" those opinions for the sake of others who haven't learmed better, i can get behind that.

It also really doesn't matter what you cherry picked and posted in one video. I couldn't see the second video because it said its not available, but one or two videos mean nothing and you know it, and everyone else knows it. I could make the same videos because occasionally i get a good looking bunt.

And with this I'm done. You asked for a video and I posted it from the game I was currently playing and that is not good enough. Sorry, that was the only bunt opportunity I had in the game at that point. It was the 8th inning.

At this point we are just going around in circles.

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Yawn..........

[countryboy]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Agreed it’s tiring


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[BlacknBlue]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

It’s like nobody can post anymore because you constantly just go into every thread with your brand of trolling and refute anyone’s experience or opinion.

It’s not doing anyone any good to constantly have you do this with every issue or grievance. With your limited time you sure do post in these forums non stop, though. Maybe just leave some things alone and stay silent, once in a while. You’re clearly rubbing a few people the wrong way in here and at this point I’m not sure if you’re just a The Show apologist or if you get some kind of rise out of doing this every day.

If you’re having a good time with your gaming experience that’s great. You personally cannot fix everyone else’s experience, however. So if you’d wish for less confrontation and aggravation then just do yourself and us all a favor and put down the keyboard once in a while.

[countryboy]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Ok


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[KBLover]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Bunting for hits i cannot do well either, but they actually look a tiny bit better, maybe, than sac bunts. Probably because there is only one hitter i even attempt this with. But i have gotten lucky in games. A time or two. In practice not so much. Very occasionally a perfect bunt will be laid down. But nowhere near the rate MLB players can do it.

I can do the pullback method, but its still not realistic. Although it does seem more effective at times.

I can accept the weirdness more on bunting for a hit. A lot of drag bunt attempts I watched on Youtube - they come out all kinds of ways (including "rocket" on occasion - saw two just in the brief time looking, one by Hamilton). If anything, might need more trajectory variation on drag bunts to create more of those kinds of plays/interactions.

(2:56 has a "rocket" drag bunt that turned into a double for the hitter)

Sac bunts, though, tend not to have that. That's where I hate the decision SDS made. Sac bunts that fail are usually misses, fouled, or pop ups. Sometimes perhaps bunted to 1B so he could throw to third (if the SS is covering 3B on the wheel bunt defense).

To me, the issue isn't user ability or success rate. It's how the failures (for whatever reason the failure occurred) are rendered. Why it became a "user skill" thing I don't know. It's a failure rendering issue in this case and that's on SDS' side.

[Unlucky 13]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

I think that the rate where the CPU will pick up a sacrifice bunt and throw to second is too high to be realistic. However, most of the time, this does not happen on "rocket bunts" for me. It happens when I bunt and the ball goes to the grass between the mound and first base. The trajectory is weird, and that rarely happens in real life. The CPU probably throws to second and gets my runner out that way between 5-10% of the time, which is too high for something so rare in real life.

Rocket bunts, either to first or to third, generally still lead to my runner being safe at second base. I play NL rules, and would say that I try to sac bunt 2-4 times every game. Often with the pitcher, but in other cases too, if I have men on base and need to score in the late innings.

However, bunting for a hit, with any player no matter how good, is now out the window, which is very sad. In the past, I would try to do that with Gordon, Hamilton, or someone similar ANY time I had men on first and second with no outs. (high speed, good bunter,, low power). If it ended up being a sacrifice, cool. But the odds of it being a hit were between 25-50%, so it was worth the gamble. Now, its basically zero unless the 3rd baseman misplays it.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

I can accept the weirdness more on bunting for a hit. A lot of drag bunt attempts I watched on Youtube - they come out all kinds of ways (including "rocket" on occasion - saw two just in the brief time looking, one by Hamilton). If anything, might need more trajectory variation on drag bunts to create more of those kinds of plays/interactions.

(2:56 has a "rocket" drag bunt that turned into a double for the hitter)

Sac bunts, though, tend not to have that. That's where I hate the decision SDS made. Sac bunts that fail are usually misses, fouled, or pop ups. Sometimes perhaps bunted to 1B so he could throw to third (if the SS is covering 3B on the wheel bunt defense).

To me, the issue isn't user ability or success rate. It's how the failures (for whatever reason the failure occurred) are rendered. Why it became a "user skill" thing I don't know. It's a failure rendering issue in this case and that's on SDS' side.

I completely agree with the fact that i don't really have a problem with the success rate, but instead how the failures are rendered.

Very true on sac bunts. sac bunts are generally just meant to find grass and stop. The ball (in real MLB) MUST be deadened. Make the fielders charge the ball and get the runner over.

Bunts for base hits in MLB are much more strategic depending on where the defense is playing, and who is playing there. And as such, there is much greater variation in where the the ball is bunted, and how hard.

The bad part of it is, there is basically no way to strategically control bunts for base hits in the Show. You can sort of pick a direction, etc, but in real baseball, there is actually strategy in mind as they think about laying down bunt for base hit. Maybe if the Show ever gets more defensive strategy (wheel plays, and other bunt coverages) there will be an option.

For those who dont already know, There are basically two strategies for bunting for a base hit. (Any many variations of those strategies).

One is to bunt the ball directly down the third base line (you want it to go right down the line or to go foul) and make the 3B charge, and hope you can beat it out. This is a drag bunt for a right handed batter. A left handed batter can also do this.

The second one is the "Push" bunt for a right handed batter, (or "Drag" bunt for a left handed batter.) This is what may be considered a "rocket bunt." This is what most of those (what the video called "Drag bunts") were in the video. A lot of them were actually "Push bunts" by right handed hitters.

The idea for a push bunt is to shoot the ball past the pitcher toward the second baseman, and make the already moving 2B have to make the play on it. You usually want to get it into "no-man's land" - the triangle between the 1B, 2B, and pitcher, creating chaos.

This "rocket bunt" is not by accident but very strategic. Although some bunts are accidentally bunted too hard, right at players when attempting this, and you might get lucky and get a hit on a bad bunt, (or even a double if it somehow gets through the infield lol) or get unlucky and hit it right at a player. Or maybe bunt too softly, pop it up, wrong direction, etc. It has to be pretty hard though if facing a RHP, since he falls off toward first base. The batting average on this bunt is usually over .400 in MLB. The problem is it can be exploited at this rate in the Show - thus they "broke" it.

If you know the 2B is going to be bolting to cover first as soon as you square to bunt, and you can manage to shoot it by the pitcher, it creates chaos for the 2B. His momentum is already headed toward first, and now he has to change direction and/or charge.

Of course it all depends on where the 2B is, WHO the 2B is, who the pitcher is, the bunt defense you think is on, etc. Other times the strategy is for a left handed hitter to "drag" the ball behind him on the way to first base. And vs a LHP if you can basically just get any deadened bunt down to the first base side, its an easy base hit, unless the 1B is playing in your face.

Unfortunately all of the strategy a little advanced for the Show at the moment. But i know they can get the basic bunts down, and their failures. I would like to see more ability to choose harder or softer bunts, depending on whether the corners are playing in or not.

I dont really even mind the rocket bunt toward second - as a strategy only - except the infielders in the Show usually seem to make the play on it.

Bunts attempts for base hits generally yield a league-wide batting average of over .400, but i certainly dont have close to that success rate in the Show. (For the two types of bunt the batting average is over .400 if bunted toward 2B, and over .700 if bunted toward 3rd).

Like you said, lets get the failures rendered more realistically, and get more success rate for base hits. I liked it how it used to be. But i dont exploit the CPU either. But there has to be a way to bring this strategy back to sim players in a more realistic way.

PS: To KB, i use the terms "lucky" and "unlucky" very loosely

[Caulfield]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Man, the passion in this thread about something as quaint and ancient as bunting has to have Ty Cobb smiling.
The bunt is dead. Long live the bunt!

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Man, the passion in this thread about something as quaint and ancient as bunting has to have Ty Cobb smiling.
The bunt is dead. Long live the bunt!

Long live the bunt! Long live the bunt! Long live the bunt!

(Read their lips, they are actually saying that!)

[Unlucky 13]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Man, the passion in this thread about something as quaint and ancient as bunting has to have Ty Cobb smiling.
The bunt is dead. Long live the bunt!

Hey man, I only watch and enjoy NL style baseball (AKA, real baseball). AL style is just so dull. Bunting is a key part of the game.

[Caulfield]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

Hey man, I only watch and enjoy NL style baseball (AKA, real baseball). AL style is just so dull. Bunting is a key part of the game.

what do you do when the Cubs play the White Sox @ Comiskey?

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Why is every bunt a rocket this year?

NL style baseball (AKA, real baseball). AL style is just so dull.

Im not sure why i just clicked "Like" on your post. I take it back!