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  • TheWarmWind
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    • Apr 2015
    • 2620

    #46
    Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

    Originally posted by phantomblackgoat
    I get what you're saying but I don't see why All-Star caliber players (i.e. Abreu and Blackmon) are somehow consistently struggling to drive the ball when it's right down the middle. Your settings sound a lot like mine, I rarely see balls right down the middle. We all know most hitters struggle to hit the ball when it's really high or low in the strike zone, now imagine the ball is equally unhittable when it's right down the middle. That's the kind of problem I'm dealing with. I tried giving the game another chance earlier today and Carlos Martinez managed to get away with about 7 pitches left right down the middle. Three ended in pop ups that didn't leave the infield (good timing, weak contact), one was a lazy fly to right field (good timing, okay contact), and the other two were well-struck and ended in line drive outs. I wanted to test if it was the sliders that were causing this so I adjusted the User Power and Contact settings from where they were (one tick below default) and put them all the way up to maximum. Under normal circumstances I would never make such a dramatic adjustment but given how broken the game feels I was willing to try it. The next game I got the exact same results, only ball I really crushed was a fastball with Matt Davidson that wasn't even a bad pitch (high and inside) that I swung early on. I really don't know what to do from here, I really don't like playing games where you feel like you're being punished for playing it correctly.
    The slider you likely want to be looking at is the solid hits slider.

    Contact effects a lot actually, it's a bit of a weird slider, but it's mostly how easily you get the bat on the ball, not the quality of the results.

    Power effects bat exit velocity averages.

    Solid hits determines the ratio of good trajectories vs bad ones on well aligned and timed hits.

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    • KnightTemplar
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      • Feb 2017
      • 3282

      #47
      Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

      Originally posted by phantomblackgoat
      Under normal circumstances I would never make such a dramatic adjustment but given how broken the game feels.....

      Originally posted by NolanRyansSnowmonkey
      Maybe hitting is broken, but if it is, for the love of Pete Rose, please don't fix it.
      And there we have it.

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      • KBLover
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        • Aug 2009
        • 12172

        #48
        Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

        Originally posted by TheWarmWind

        Solid hits determines the ratio of good trajectories vs bad ones on well aligned and timed hits.

        In my experience, it's all contact since all contact categories can produce all trajectories.

        Solid hits sorts out how often they happen within each category.

        Timing and PCI placement doesn't necessarily change contact quality. It probably has a "penalty" but how much it is and/of if it happens is the Timing/Contact slider's jurisdiction.

        Solid hits just says "yeah, you got a liner". Whether it's a 100 MPH screamer down the line or a soft liner the 1B can snag is not it's say, ime.
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        • TheWarmWind
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          • Apr 2015
          • 2620

          #49
          Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

          Originally posted by KBLover
          In my experience, it's all contact since all contact categories can produce all trajectories.

          Solid hits sorts out how often they happen within each category.

          Timing and PCI placement doesn't necessarily change contact quality. It probably has a "penalty" but how much it is and/of if it happens is the Timing/Contact slider's jurisdiction.

          Solid hits just says "yeah, you got a liner". Whether it's a 100 MPH screamer down the line or a soft liner the 1B can snag is not it's say, ime.
          Yup it's trajectories. A "good" trajectory can still be a soft liner straight at someone.

          I think we're seeing the same results, we just got mixed up somewhere with the wording.

          I think I'm at fault here, because I'm using "hit" to mean reaching base safely after contact and "good hit" to mean quality contact. Not all quality contacts are hits, just like not all hits are quality contact. I'm not batting .900 with Mike Trout on well timed meatballs. I'm just getting quality contact 9/10 times in that situation. My mistake.

          Edit: I should mention that all of these numbers are pretty meaningless. I have other players who actually bat at our near the same clip as Mike Trout in that situation, but they are backup players. Mike Trout is amazing because he has great quality contact rates in all sorts of situations. Seems obvious I know, but the point I'm trying to make is you can't really take these numbers that I'm spouting out seriously because by isolating one specific situation, I'm skewing the results.

          I'm just using the numbers to help facilitate conversation. It really is just idle banter, so let's not dig to deep into the actual and stick to the hypothetical.

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          Last edited by TheWarmWind; 07-12-2018, 01:54 PM.

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          • AUTiger1
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            • Oct 2008
            • 2413

            #50
            Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

            Maybe it's because I don't have a lot of time to play, but my games always seem realistic for the most part. Yes, every once in a while I have a fluky outcome, like the game the other day where I just all of a sudden randomly scored 10 runs in the 8th inning of a close game. But for the most part they're downright awesome. One of the best games I've ever played was the season opener in my Brewers franchise against the Padres. Dominated for 8 innings and racked up a ton of strikeouts but hung a slider to Chase Headley who smacked it for a 2-run HR and I lost 3-2. That's realism at it's best.
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            • AUTiger1
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              • Oct 2008
              • 2413

              #51
              Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

              Here's where The Show can be downright frustrating. I'm pitching, I've got a 5-0 lead and I'm absolutely cruising racking up the ground ball outs and then all of a sudden it's like the flip of a switch. I walk the leadoff batter, alright, no biggie I'll just get the next guy out, not so fast my friend. All of a sudden I can't throw a strike. I use the pitching meter, and I nail it perfectly in the green and it's a ball. Nothing is a strike and then when I finally do get a strike it either gets fouled off or put in play in the exact perfect spot for a hit. To make a long story short, I ended up giving up 5 runs on 5 hits and 3 walks in the inning before getting a pair of strikeouts with the bases loaded to keep the game tied at 5 after walking in the tying run with my second pitcher of the inning. I get it that it's not completely unrealistic for a pitcher to have a game just come apart on them. It happens. It's just frustrating when it happens on The Show because there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. No warning signs no nothing. I could see if I had been struggling to throw strikes and walking guys and getting lucky the previous innings, but that wasn't the case. Even when I put in my reliever (Arodys Vizcaino) and tried to throw a 4-seam fastball right down the middle and I hit the pitching meter in the green it ended up being a ball and a bases loaded walk.


              I know SDS has denied for years about them having a comeback code in the game but sometimes you just wonder.
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              • bcruise
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2004
                • 23274

                #52
                Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                Originally posted by AUTiger1
                Here's where The Show can be downright frustrating. I'm pitching, I've got a 5-0 lead and I'm absolutely cruising racking up the ground ball outs and then all of a sudden it's like the flip of a switch. I walk the leadoff batter, alright, no biggie I'll just get the next guy out, not so fast my friend. All of a sudden I can't throw a strike. I use the pitching meter, and I nail it perfectly in the green and it's a ball. Nothing is a strike and then when I finally do get a strike it either gets fouled off or put in play in the exact perfect spot for a hit. To make a long story short, I ended up giving up 5 runs on 5 hits and 3 walks in the inning before getting a pair of strikeouts with the bases loaded to keep the game tied at 5 after walking in the tying run with my second pitcher of the inning. I get it that it's not completely unrealistic for a pitcher to have a game just come apart on them. It happens. It's just frustrating when it happens on The Show because there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. No warning signs no nothing. I could see if I had been struggling to throw strikes and walking guys and getting lucky the previous innings, but that wasn't the case. Even when I put in my reliever (Arodys Vizcaino) and tried to throw a 4-seam fastball right down the middle and I hit the pitching meter in the green it ended up being a ball and a bases loaded walk.


                I know SDS has denied for years about them having a comeback code in the game but sometimes you just wonder.
                I'm curious about what the "warning signs" were a few days ago before the Reds hung 7 on Cleveland in the 9th with 2 out after being shut out for 8 innings. It certainly wasn't Trevor Bauer striking out 12 in those 8 innings. There was no hint of anything happening in that game, no sign of the Reds even having a pulse - until it/they did.

                Baseball doesn't follow a script. And neither does this game.

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                • Armor and Sword
                  The Lama
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 21798

                  #53
                  The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                  Originally posted by phantomblackgoat
                  As I've already said, I have no issue with RNG being present in video games. I don't think video games will ever be able to mirror real life 100% accurately, so it's likely it will always exist to some extent. My problem with MLB 18 is it seems RNG has replaced player skill as the primary deciding factor behind the outcome of at-bats. A good player will still win nine ties out of ten against a novice or average player in 18 but the skill gap has objectively been narrowed compared to MLB 16 and earlier.


                  I thought you said this is not about online play. That this is present in offline hitting.

                  Offline IMO 18 is the very best representation of a console baseball game in terms of hitting and pitching a baseball.

                  The hitter/pitcher showdown on this years version has been nothing short of amazing.

                  Baseball IRL is all physics as KB explained.

                  This game comes as close to hitting a real baseball in terms of ball physics, trajectory, and player ratings coupled with user input and of course like any sports game ever made a RNG generator taking in the entire formula to give us the results.

                  And so far in my franchise the statistical outcomes have been incredibly realistic and more importantly fun.

                  Online? Forget it. It is a different game and hitting online once again stinks.

                  The game shines brightly offline for franchise players. Brighter than ever before. They poured a ton of resources this cycle into gameplay.

                  Big time.

                  It will be again the best console sports game of the year bar none.


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                  • Armor and Sword
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                    • Sep 2010
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                    #54
                    The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                    Originally posted by bcruise
                    I'm curious about what the "warning signs" were a few days ago before the Reds hung 7 on Cleveland in the 9th with 2 out after being shut out for 8 innings. It certainly wasn't Trevor Bauer striking out 12 in those 8 innings. There was no hint of anything happening in that game, no sign of the Reds even having a pulse - until it/they did.



                    Baseball doesn't follow a script. And neither does this game.


                    Or a week ago when the Marlins had a 9-0 lead on the Nationals and my son looked at me and said oh they got this......I said not so fast. There are 6 more innings left.....8 Trea Turner RBI’s later....well we know what happened.

                    That damn SDS comeback code kicked in.


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                    • Armor and Sword
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                      • Sep 2010
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                      #55
                      Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                      Sometimes taking a break is a good thing.

                      I am sorry some people are simply not having the same results as others here are having. But it certainly IMO is not the game.

                      Been playing the game since 2009 and for me its never been better.




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                      • AUTiger1
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                        • Oct 2008
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                        #56
                        Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                        Originally posted by bcruise
                        I'm curious about what the "warning signs" were a few days ago before the Reds hung 7 on Cleveland in the 9th with 2 out after being shut out for 8 innings. It certainly wasn't Trevor Bauer striking out 12 in those 8 innings. There was no hint of anything happening in that game, no sign of the Reds even having a pulse - until it/they did.

                        Baseball doesn't follow a script. And neither does this game.

                        I know. I was just more or less venting that all of a sudden I couldn't throw a strike anymore and started walking people. It gets frustrating at times when the CPU is able to foul off every single pitch and take all the balls until they find one that a pitch they can rip for a hit somewhere.
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                        • Vanilla_Gorilla
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                          • May 2018
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                          #57
                          Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                          So I've been doing a little toying around with my sliders and also watching hitting feedback.

                          Swing Timing is what's leaving me puzzled.
                          Good Timing has so far netted me ground balls and popouts. With a few liners, gappers, and a HR peppered around.

                          Most of these are because my players are well on top of the ball or below it.

                          Which doesn't make much sense. As a person, forgive me I forgot who, stated in another thread regarding Swing Timing that the green areas represents the area where the bat is most squared up on the ball.

                          Vision on feedback is represented as the orange blob area with the bat also.

                          That doesn't make any sense and is inconsistent.
                          Good Timing should equal a squared up ball because vision should be linked with timing.

                          I think there's a disconnect they missed there. Because it seems timing has no effect on the direction the ball is hit, which is really odd. A well early hit by a right should send the ball to the 3rd base area. But it seems so far that it's more reliant on RNG and some level of minimal physics.

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                          • countryboy
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                            • Sep 2003
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                            #58
                            Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                            Originally posted by Vanilla_Gorilla
                            So I've been doing a little toying around with my sliders and also watching hitting feedback.



                            Swing Timing is what's leaving me puzzled.

                            Good Timing has so far netted me ground balls and popouts. With a few liners, gappers, and a HR peppered around.



                            Most of these are because my players are well on top of the ball or below it.



                            Which doesn't make much sense. As a person, forgive me I forgot who, stated in another thread regarding Swing Timing that the green areas represents the area where the bat is most squared up on the ball.



                            Vision on feedback is represented as the orange blob area with the bat also.



                            That doesn't make any sense and is inconsistent.

                            Good Timing should equal a squared up ball because vision should be linked with timing.



                            I think there's a disconnect they missed there. Because it seems timing has no effect on the direction the ball is hit, which is really odd. A well early hit by a right should send the ball to the 3rd base area. But it seems so far that it's more reliant on RNG and some level of minimal physics.

                            Are you using directional/timing hitting interface?



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                            • Vanilla_Gorilla
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                              #59
                              Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                              Originally posted by countryboy
                              Are you using directional/timing hitting interface?



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                              • countryboy
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                                #60
                                Re: The Disturbing Trend I've Noticed About MLB: The Show

                                Originally posted by Vanilla_Gorilla
                                I use Pure-Analog. It's what's comfortable for me


                                Do you have to use the PCI?


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